Astron Power Supply problem
 

I've got a problem with my Astron RS-20 power supply. With no load,
it's fine, but anything above 4amps or so makes it drop way down and my
rig drops out of lock. I haven't measured it under load but the rig
works ok to 10 or 11 volts so it must be dropping below that.

I found a schematic and downloaded it, all the voltages are fairly close
to what it says on the schematic with no load, I haven't made any
measurements with a load on it. I'll pick up a headlight tomorrow to
put a load on it and make more measurements.

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
Kerry, WD5ABC

Astron Power Supply problem
 

"Kerry Miller" wrote in message
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I've got a problem with my Astron RS-20 power supply. With no load, it's
fine, but anything above 4amps or so makes it drop way down and my rig
drops out of lock. I haven't measured it under load but the rig works ok
to 10 or 11 volts so it must be dropping below that.

I found a schematic and downloaded it, all the voltages are fairly close
to what it says on the schematic with no load, I haven't made any
measurements with a load on it. I'll pick up a headlight tomorrow to put
a load on it and make more measurements.

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
Kerry, WD5ABC

Kerry -

From you description, you have lost REGULATION .

Read the KBT web site for ALL required diagnosis and repair steps for linear
power supplies and Astron. MENU BAR is GRAY LIST ON LEFT
http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/index.php

Replace LM723 regulator chip ...
TEST PASS TRANSISTORS (2N3055 or 2N3771)

How it Works - David Metz's classic article - now 10 years old
http://www.seits.org/features/pwrsup.htm

Index & schematics for Astron power supplies
http://www.repeater-builder.com/astr...ron-index.html

gb

Astron Power Supply problem
 

Astron linear supplies use a 3 terminal regulator, usually an LM317. These
things do tend to fail from time to time. Can't tell if that's your
problem, but it is likely, and the things are cheap enough it's worth
popping a new one in to find out.

...


"Kerry Miller" wrote in message
news:CNEzf.140599$WH.64582@dukeread01...
I've got a problem with my Astron RS-20 power supply. With no load, it's
fine, but anything above 4amps or so makes it drop way down and my rig
drops out of lock. I haven't measured it under load but the rig works ok
to 10 or 11 volts so it must be dropping below that.

I found a schematic and downloaded it, all the voltages are fairly close
to what it says on the schematic with no load, I haven't made any
measurements with a load on it. I'll pick up a headlight tomorrow to put
a load on it and make more measurements.

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
Kerry, WD5ABC

Astron Power Supply problem
 

"xpyttl" wrote in message
...
Astron linear supplies use a 3 terminal regulator, usually an LM317.
These things do tend to fail from time to time. Can't tell if that's your
problem, but it is likely, and the things are cheap enough it's worth
popping a new one in to find out.


Really? What model of Astron linear power supply have you repaired or seen
that uses this design approach? I have never seen one like this -- over
past 20 years.
Confusing this with some other mfg. design?

Astron has been using the 14-pin (30 years old) LM 723 regulator IC with NPN
pass transistors (e.g. 2N3055, 2N3771) ... for as long as I have been
repairing them.

Check here for correct Astron information - repairs, etc.
http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/index.php

and Astron schematics (which show the LM723, not the later LM317 design)
http://www.repeater-builder.com/astr...ron-index.html

gb

Astron Power Supply problem
 

gb wrote:
"xpyttl" wrote in message
...

Astron linear supplies use a 3 terminal regulator, usually an LM317.
These things do tend to fail from time to time. Can't tell if that's your
problem, but it is likely, and the things are cheap enough it's worth
popping a new one in to find out.



Really? What model of Astron linear power supply have you repaired or seen
that uses this design approach? I have never seen one like this -- over
past 20 years.
Confusing this with some other mfg. design?

Astron has been using the 14-pin (30 years old) LM 723 regulator IC with NPN
pass transistors (e.g. 2N3055, 2N3771) ... for as long as I have been
repairing them.

Check here for correct Astron information - repairs, etc.
http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/index.php

and Astron schematics (which show the LM723, not the later LM317 design)
http://www.repeater-builder.com/astr...ron-index.html

gb


I can confirm that mine has a 723, not a 317. Thanks for the web sites,
looks like some great information. I hooked up that headlight tonight
but it ran fine, pulling a bit over 3 amps for an hour or so. Maybe I
need more load to make it lose regulation.

Guess I'll start digging into that regulator board, the transistors and
all the big things like the transformer seem to be fine.

Thanks,
Kerry - WD5ABC

Astron Power Supply problem
 

"Kerry Miller" wrote in message
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I can confirm that mine has a 723, not a 317. Thanks for the web sites,
looks like some great information. I hooked up that headlight tonight but
it ran fine, pulling a bit over 3 amps for an hour or so. Maybe I need
more load to make it lose regulation.

Guess I'll start digging into that regulator board, the transistors and
all the big things like the transformer seem to be fine.

Thanks,
Kerry - WD5ABC

First, test each NPN transistor with a VOM or DVM ... both methods of proper
measurement are outlined (added proper method for DVM testing to procedures)

Second, discharge electrolytic capacitors before removing or inserting the
LM 723
Most Astron regulator boards have a socket for the LM 723, IF not after
removing, install socket - observing proper placement of pin 1.

Check bridge rectifier and diodes in circuit.

The KBT site suggests substitution of a resistor value. There are also
suggestions for bypass capacitors.

Stray RF in your radio shack can cause problems in some supplies.

gb

Astron Power Supply problem
 

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:47:24 -0600, Kerry Miller
wrote:

gb wrote:
"xpyttl" wrote in message
...

Astron linear supplies use a 3 terminal regulator, usually an LM317.
These things do tend to fail from time to time. Can't tell if that's your
problem, but it is likely, and the things are cheap enough it's worth
popping a new one in to find out.



Really? What model of Astron linear power supply have you repaired or seen
that uses this design approach? I have never seen one like this -- over
past 20 years.
Confusing this with some other mfg. design?

Astron has been using the 14-pin (30 years old) LM 723 regulator IC with NPN
pass transistors (e.g. 2N3055, 2N3771) ... for as long as I have been
repairing them.

Check here for correct Astron information - repairs, etc.
http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/index.php

and Astron schematics (which show the LM723, not the later LM317 design)
http://www.repeater-builder.com/astr...ron-index.html

gb


I can confirm that mine has a 723, not a 317. Thanks for the web sites,
looks like some great information. I hooked up that headlight tonight
but it ran fine, pulling a bit over 3 amps for an hour or so. Maybe I
need more load to make it lose regulation.

Guess I'll start digging into that regulator board, the transistors and
all the big things like the transformer seem to be fine.

Thanks,
Kerry - WD5ABC

I would look at the radio first. Put an ameter in the 12 volt line to
the radio and see how much current it is actually drawing.

73
Gary K4FMX

Astron Power Supply problem
 

Kerry Miller wrote:
I've got a problem with my Astron RS-20 power supply. With no load,
it's fine, but anything above 4amps or so makes it drop way down and my
rig drops out of lock. I haven't measured it under load but the rig
works ok to 10 or 11 volts so it must be dropping below that.

I found a schematic and downloaded it, all the voltages are fairly close
to what it says on the schematic with no load, I haven't made any
measurements with a load on it. I'll pick up a headlight tomorrow to
put a load on it and make more measurements.

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
Kerry, WD5ABC
Sounds like to me the "Fold-back Regulator circuit" just cut-in, during
operation, if a adjusted threshold value is exceeded, instead of popping
a fuse, the circuit just drops to a low value until the circuit is
re-set by powering-Down and re-started !

Yukio YANO

Astron Power Supply problem
 

Gary Schafer wrote:

I would look at the radio first. Put an ameter in the 12 volt line to
the radio and see how much current it is actually drawing.

73
Gary K4FMX

Actually, I first thought it was an antenna problem, the rig acted just
like I had a bad problem with RF in the shack. I spent all of one
afternoon reworking the grounds and tuning the antenna. I've got the
best-tuned 4BTV in Texas! I tried it on a dummy load and had the same
problem. So, I pulled it off the power supply and ran the rig (Yaesu
FT-990) from the battery in my truck and it works fine. I also tried
the supply on a second rig, a TS-430, with exactly the same problem -
when I transmit the lights on the rig dim and it drops out of lock. The
430 is my mobile rig, it works fine in the truck but not on the PS.

I'll follow you guys' suggestions to start testing parts. I'm in a
fairly small town, so while I bought a 1000uf capacitor today at Radio
Shack, they can't even order an LM723 so I'll have to find someplace
else to get one.

Have any of you guys tried the new switching power supplies? I've seen
the one at Radio Shack (claims 25a but I doubt it), MFJ and Astron but
haven't ever used one. I normally just run 1 HF rig (max 100w) and a
small VHF rig (max 25w) for packet. Is a switcher solid and reliable
enough for something like that? I've considered getting something like
that and rebuilding the Astron when I can get the parts.

I have built regulated supplies but it's been 20 yrs since I tinkered
with anything analog, so I'll take all the help I can get! The info at
those links looks helpful, along with the ideas you guys have given me here.

73,
Kerry
WD5ABC

Astron Power Supply problem
 

Kerry Miller wrote:

Have any of you guys tried the new switching power supplies? I've
seen the one at Radio Shack (claims 25a but I doubt it), MFJ and
Astron but haven't ever used one. I normally just run 1 HF rig (max
100w) and a small VHF rig (max 25w) for packet. Is a switcher solid
and reliable enough for something like that? I've considered getting
something like that and rebuilding the Astron when I can get the
parts.
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You might be able to find a good deal on an Icom PS-125 switching power
supply. Icom had a promotion where they gave one away with each
purchase of an IC-746PRO. A lot of guys bought the '746 but didn't need
the power supply and I've seen many for sale as a result. I have one
and it's a great supply. I'm keeping mine :-) Check rec.radio.swap and
eBay.

Bill, W6WRT