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what's up with eham?
what's up with eham? haven't been able to hit the site for several days from here in the dallas area? larry kd5foy |
what's up with eham?
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larry d clark wrote: what's up with eham? haven't been able to hit the site for several days from here in the dallas area? I don't know the underlying cause, but I do see the same outage here. The server for "eham.net" doesn't respond to pings, although the two machines with immediately-adjacent IP addresses do. Looks as if the server's off the air. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Dave Platt wrote:
Looks as if the server's off the air. Couldn't happen to nicer people in my opinion. When I complained that they had Google ads on their site which directly supported BPL, the owner of the site told me that BPL was an INTERNET technology and since his site was RADIO related, it wasn't his concern. He also said that without Google ads, he could not keep the site alive, so he choose Google and BPL. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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On 2006-05-24, Dave Platt wrote:
I don't know the underlying cause, but I do see the same outage here. The server for "eham.net" doesn't respond to pings, although the two machines with immediately-adjacent IP addresses do. I did get through yesterday morning, but incredibly slow. Now (Wed night), I'm getting "The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.eham.net", despite successful pings to server. This sometimes due to max number of connections has been reached. More info: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_rep...//www.eham.net nb |
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"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message .. . In article , (known to some as Geoffrey S. Mendelson) scribed... Dave Platt wrote: Looks as if the server's off the air. Couldn't happen to nicer people in my opinion. When I complained that they had Google ads on their site which directly supported BPL, the owner of the site told me that BPL was an INTERNET technology and since his site was RADIO related, it wasn't his concern. boggle Sheesh... If the site comes back up, I'm yanking my account. I must not have seen the ads thanks to my ad blockers... He also said that without Google ads, he could not keep the site alive, so he choose Google and BPL. Fooey. There have to be other ads he can have up there without supporting a spectrum-destructive technology. The website owner doesn't choose the ads to appear, Google does that automatically, based on keywords. But Google adSense has a filter option to trash any undesired ad. A simple matter to put the "offending" ad in the filter list. Eham has been a valuable resource for hams. With the high cost of running a Mega Site such as eham, I suggest we support the site, otherwise it may go away. You will notice a lot of the Ham Megasites are using Google AdSense. Why? It is bloody expensive to run a megasite. When the site gets popular, a "Normal" provider will add outrageous costs for excess bandwidth, forcing a web master to get a server. Servers ain't cheap. There are other costs as well, main provider, link checkers, domain name costs, computer maintenance, anti-virus checkers, software, etc.This says nothing about the Web Master's labor to keep the site running. Many of the mega sites are free - such a deal. AND - you buy a magazine -- full of ads, Movie rental - full of ads, cable TV - full of ads, etc. I suspect the ads income on Mega Sites don't come near the covering the cost of running a Mega Site. Even if it did, so what - you don't have to click on the ads or read them. Can't do that with magazines (;-) The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! |
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Caveat Lector wrote:
The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh You miss the point. ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google stock supports BPL. Got it? Google and BPL are connected. As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your choice". A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online "click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to support him. IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... Caveat Lector wrote: The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh You miss the point. ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google stock supports BPL. Got it? Google and BPL are connected. As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your choice". A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online "click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to support him. IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ Well if I boycotted every biz that had policies I disagree with, wouldn't be alot left. So your quarrel is with Goggle not e-ham. Strange but just about every major Ham web site is now using Google AdSense. Guess you will have to start up your own Ham website |
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BTW -- when you buy consumer products, do you determine where the product
was made, if made in a country that you disagree with their policies, do you boycott the product and store ??? Can't imagine you are not buying gasoline, some of their policies are in question. -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:Vdqdg.177653$bm6.48055@fed1read04... "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... Caveat Lector wrote: The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh You miss the point. ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google stock supports BPL. Got it? Google and BPL are connected. As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your choice". A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online "click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to support him. IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ Well if I boycotted every biz that had policies I disagree with, wouldn't be alot left. So your quarrel is with Goggle not e-ham. Strange but just about every major Ham web site is now using Google AdSense. Guess you will have to start up your own Ham website |
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ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google stock supports BPL. Got it? Google and BPL are connected. =============================== I am not a supporter of BPL .......full stop. Apart from that , in the UK (A)DSL is widely available ,so BPL (or PLC) is not an issue eg a threat to Amateur Radio in this part of the world. However there is BPL and BPL. Most of us on this NG know that ARRL is fighting against the introduction of 'certain BPL systems' which pollute the HF and up spectrum ,but NOT BPL in principle. On the ARRL premises Motorola have installed a BPL system that according to ARRL does not pollute the spectrum . So when addressing Google's support for BPL , it seems only sensible to adopt a more balanced opinion . Google is an effective search engine ,that's why I use it. There is no other reason. Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
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Highland Ham wrote:
I am not a supporter of BPL .......full stop. Apart from that , in the UK (A)DSL is widely available ,so BPL (or PLC) is not an issue eg a threat to Amateur Radio in this part of the world. The same in the United States. Due to the overspending on infrastructure without demand in late 1990's there is plenty of "dark" (unused) fibre. However there is BPL and BPL. Most of us on this NG know that ARRL is fighting against the introduction of 'certain BPL systems' which pollute the HF and up spectrum ,but NOT BPL in principle. The problem with the system Google funded is that they do polute spectrum, just not ham radio spectrum (for now). Therefore the studies the ARRL has done which inlcudes going there and driving around show there is no problem. If you think of Google's BPL as the electromagnetic equivalent of toxic waste dumping, the ARRL is more like the AAA (or AA in the U.K.) than Greenpeace. As long as they dump "off road", there is little they can do. It is interesting that in this case, Ed Hare, W1RFI, the ARRL's BPL expert has tried to interest U.S. radio user's groups besides the ARRL and no one was interested in his data. AFIK the only country where anyone has complained about the effect of BPL on commercial traffic was Austrailia. The problem is that the notching out of ham bands is something that can easily be undone. It may even be as simple as the operator of a system entering filter parameters into a control computer. In fact it would have to be, or they could not react to complaints. That means there is nothing to stop a system operator, once they are established from using the ham bands. On the ARRL premises Motorola have installed a BPL system that according to ARRL does not pollute the spectrum . I don't know much about it. I've read claims as such, that there is NO RF polution by the Motorola system, but have seen no hard data. If it does or not, the Google supported system does pollute, they just make sure that no one with an organized voice are the targets of their polution. So when addressing Google's support for BPL , it seems only sensible to adopt a more balanced opinion . Google is an effective search engine ,that's why I use it. There is no other reason. There are lots of effective search engines. Google has been terrible for a long time. When Google first started, you could put in a subject and get a hit on the first page for THE web site as opposed to it now being on the fourth or fifth page. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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Caveat Lector wrote:
Eham has been a valuable resource for hams. With the high cost of running a Mega Site such as eham, I suggest we support the site, otherwise it may go away. Good Riddance to eHam. An unsuspecting ham posted the following on an email reflector. Folks, I wrote a short piece about the 'K2 versus all them big new rigs' several weeks ago, but I guess it isn't going to make it where anyone can read it on the front page or subsequent pages on eHam. Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers? :-) In any event, you can view and comment on it he http://www.eham.net/articles/8800 AB7RG of Eham took affront, and posted the following: Actually, it was this comment, "Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers?" -- that is what really did it. Especially when: http://www.eham.net/about/showadvertisers Look seven down, that says it all... Next time get your facts straight first, Jeff. Then if you have a question or concern e-mail me privately and I will be more than happy to let you know approximately if/when your article will be posted on eHam's homepage. Like I said, I can only run so many at a time, and we receive TONS of submissions. And I would have glady ran yours in just a few more days if you had just been patient. Bottom line: You show me some common courtesy and a little respect and I will happily return it. Now that would not be so bad, although he also removed the mentioned article from eHam in a fit of pique, and engaged in a bit of email harassment. Folks, There is nothing spooky or scary going on here. I submitted an article on July 12 for publication on eHam. If you know anything about that process it takes time and you also get an auto-generated response telling you that your article "may" or "may not" be selected for front page publication. Given that it has been three weeks, and that other, more recent articles have been published I just *assumed* that mine was not selected for publication. They receive a lot of submissions and that wouldn't have been unusual. So this morning, I sent the link to this list so that even though the story didn't make the front page, other Elecrafter's could read it. In my posting, I included the URL and this one comment: "Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers? :-)" I thought that the little smiley guy :-) conveyed that I was joking and I wasn't actually implying that eHam was doing anything devious in choosing not to publish the article. However, the Articles Manager had a much different take on the matter and proceeded to send me several emails that asked for my "respect" and my "courtesy" or that article would be pulled. I told him deleting the article would be fine with me and he has done that. There were several other messages between us where he sent me the dictionary definition of the word "libel" and such, and ended it all by saying that I was banned from posting articles on eHam until I learn to be more courteous, and that he was deleting any follow-up messages from me, etc. Obviously I'm not thrilled by all this, and his public posting to this list was an obvious attempt to "set me straight" in front of a public audience. I wouldn't have replied at all but I started receiving emails from this list asking why the link on eHam couldn't be reached and what all this was about. I would REALLY appreciate if this could end now. I have always hated OT posts and long, meandering threads that have no value, and this one certainly has none at this point. I apologize to the list for the messages it has already spawned, and hope that you will take my plea to heart and NOT FOLLOW THIS UP. Thanks and see you all on the bands! I also emailed AB7RG, and received a nasty email telling me I 'was not very smart' and reminding me of how he had to “throw me off” the Argonaut V reflector. He certainly did. I DARED to suggest that the ArgoV was not up to the performance of the Elecraft K2. Then, he “modified” my profile on Eham.net, adding “and making trouble on eham.net” to my hobbies. When I saw this, I added under “Things I want to do” that one would NOT be contributing to eHam, when they dared to modify my profile. Now I see my profile has been totally deleted, and my email address changed to ,” to insure I can not re-enter it. UPDATE Now the arrogant, childish a**hole has fixed it so I can't edit my “Profile” nor can I post on any of the Forums. It is really sad that he has to do this to feel like a “big shot.” I guess his “significant other” must have laughed at the size of his......antenna. |
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:04:51 -0400, "John L. Sielke"
wrote: Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what? Caveat Lector wrote: Eham has been a valuable resource for hams. With the high cost of running a Mega Site such as eham, I suggest we support the site, otherwise it may go away. Good Riddance to eHam. An unsuspecting ham posted the following on an email reflector. Folks, I wrote a short piece about the 'K2 versus all them big new rigs' several weeks ago, but I guess it isn't going to make it where anyone can read it on the front page or subsequent pages on eHam. Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers? :-) In any event, you can view and comment on it he http://www.eham.net/articles/8800 AB7RG of Eham took affront, and posted the following: Actually, it was this comment, "Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers?" -- that is what really did it. Especially when: http://www.eham.net/about/showadvertisers Look seven down, that says it all... Next time get your facts straight first, Jeff. Then if you have a question or concern e-mail me privately and I will be more than happy to let you know approximately if/when your article will be posted on eHam's homepage. Like I said, I can only run so many at a time, and we receive TONS of submissions. And I would have glady ran yours in just a few more days if you had just been patient. Bottom line: You show me some common courtesy and a little respect and I will happily return it. Now that would not be so bad, although he also removed the mentioned article from eHam in a fit of pique, and engaged in a bit of email harassment. Folks, There is nothing spooky or scary going on here. I submitted an article on July 12 for publication on eHam. If you know anything about that process it takes time and you also get an auto-generated response telling you that your article "may" or "may not" be selected for front page publication. Given that it has been three weeks, and that other, more recent articles have been published I just *assumed* that mine was not selected for publication. They receive a lot of submissions and that wouldn't have been unusual. So this morning, I sent the link to this list so that even though the story didn't make the front page, other Elecrafter's could read it. In my posting, I included the URL and this one comment: "Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers? :-)" I thought that the little smiley guy :-) conveyed that I was joking and I wasn't actually implying that eHam was doing anything devious in choosing not to publish the article. However, the Articles Manager had a much different take on the matter and proceeded to send me several emails that asked for my "respect" and my "courtesy" or that article would be pulled. I told him deleting the article would be fine with me and he has done that. There were several other messages between us where he sent me the dictionary definition of the word "libel" and such, and ended it all by saying that I was banned from posting articles on eHam until I learn to be more courteous, and that he was deleting any follow-up messages from me, etc. Obviously I'm not thrilled by all this, and his public posting to this list was an obvious attempt to "set me straight" in front of a public audience. I wouldn't have replied at all but I started receiving emails from this list asking why the link on eHam couldn't be reached and what all this was about. I would REALLY appreciate if this could end now. I have always hated OT posts and long, meandering threads that have no value, and this one certainly has none at this point. I apologize to the list for the messages it has already spawned, and hope that you will take my plea to heart and NOT FOLLOW THIS UP. Thanks and see you all on the bands! I also emailed AB7RG, and received a nasty email telling me I 'was not very smart' and reminding me of how he had to “throw me off” the Argonaut V reflector. He certainly did. I DARED to suggest that the ArgoV was not up to the performance of the Elecraft K2. Then, he “modified” my profile on Eham.net, adding “and making trouble on eham.net” to my hobbies. When I saw this, I added under “Things I want to do” that one would NOT be contributing to eHam, when they dared to modify my profile. Now I see my profile has been totally deleted, and my email address changed to ,” to insure I can not re-enter it. UPDATE Now the arrogant, childish a**hole has fixed it so I can't edit my “Profile” nor can I post on any of the Forums. It is really sad that he has to do this to feel like a “big shot.” I guess his “significant other” must have laughed at the size of his......antenna. |
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On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote:
Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what? Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+ lines for one single line of reply! nb |
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 17:55:12 -0500, notbob wrote:
On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote: Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what? Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+ lines for one single line of reply! Kiss my ass. That succinct enough for you? |
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On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote:
Kiss my ass. Must be a circus act. nb |
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Wes Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2006 17:55:12 -0500, notbob wrote: On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote: Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what? Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+ lines for one single line of reply! Kiss my ass. That succinct enough for you? Good enough to get you in my killfile. Ah, the sigmonster has a truly uncanny ability to choose an appropriate sigfile. This one must have been chosen with you in mind. -- About a deceased operator: I'm still more than a bit surprised that he was able to operate the weapon in such a fashion that it would fire. This is grossly inconsistent with _my_ experience of his abilities. |
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Wes Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2006 17:55:12 -0500, notbob wrote: On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote: Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what? Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+ lines for one single line of reply! Kiss my ass. That succinct enough for you? My sentiments, exactly. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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Paying your electric bill adds money to the BPL bunch.
We must all withhold our electric bill payments until BPL is defeated. -- ========================================= Radio Amateurs - Fill your junk box, from my junkbox! http://www.hamradparts.com 73 de KB9BVN ========================================= "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... Caveat Lector wrote: The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh You miss the point. ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google stock supports BPL. Got it? Google and BPL are connected. As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your choice". A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online "click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to support him. IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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"Brian Murrey" wrote in message .net... Paying your electric bill adds money to the BPL bunch. We must all withhold our electric bill payments until BPL is defeated. Oh thats the perfect squelch - one of those "Why Didn't I think Of That" Kudos from -- Caveat Lector If you want to know what Hams really think of e-ham - go to URL: http://www.eham.net/articles/13951 A dozen pages of "Welcome Back" ========================================= Radio Amateurs - Fill your junk box, from my junkbox! http://www.hamradparts.com 73 de KB9BVN ========================================= "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... Caveat Lector wrote: The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh You miss the point. ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google stock supports BPL. Got it? Google and BPL are connected. As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your choice". A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online "click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to support him. IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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