Public service and ham radio
Reading the recent thread on antenna restrictions has me musing about
public-service aspects of ham radio. This has always been an important aspect of the hobby for me; somehow I never got hooked on things like chasing DX, collecting wallpaper, or winning contests. Bill makes good points about how ham radio's contribution to military readiness and science education has changed over the past decade or so. I'm beginning to wonder if, in another decade or so, ham radio will be in the same public-service category as stamp collecting. (Nothing against stamp collecting, but as far as I know the hobby isn't known for its public-service aspects.) When I examine the potential for public service from the hobby, I separate them into the two areas of disaster and non-disaster. Non-disaster includes providing communications for local events like parades. Time was that ham radio operators were really key in this regard, then along came cell phones. Ham radio still provides a pool of people who can pitch in and help, but it's not the only pool now. I'm sure there are shining examples of ham groups that continue to provide stellar service to this kind of event, but my personal experience suggests that the hobby is becoming less and less involved with helping out in non-emergency situations. Then there's the disaster aspect, the "when all else fails, ham radio works" event. I was a part of the Katrina effort; I saw ham radio working when the communications infrastructure had failed. But I saw other things, too. I saw vanishingly little health-and-welfare traffic on NTS. I see organizations like the Red Cross pumping lots of money into satellite-based communications systems that can be quickly deployed for the next Katrina-like event. How can we maximize the potential for ham radio to contribute to public service in the future? One thing that I think we need to realize is that hams are a pool of people who can help, but we no longer have a monopoly on communications, especially for non-disaster events. We need to pitch in and get the job done, not fixate on providing communications. If the organizer needs someone to direct traffic, and you refuse to do that because your job is communications, the organizer is going to find someone with a cell phone who is willing to direct traffic and also can handle communications. Hams need to work more effectively with non-hams. For example, if FRS/GRS radios make sense, they should be a part of the plan. Local events can provide good recruiting opportunities to get people interested in the hobby. ARRL needs to step up to the plate and actually _do something_ about a national plan for ham radio in a large-scale disaster. It has been 18 months since Katrina demonstrated the need for such planning, and while there is progress, it is slow. ARES organization is great in some areas and nonexistent in others, so the training level of people who show up on the scene varies from excellent to zero. I feel that ARRL has been unnecessarily antagonistic to the Red Cross. The first news release that came out regarding background checks was downright derogatory, although each one since has been progressively less confrontational. While I applaud ARRL's attempts to protect the interests of their members, some of the language has been unnecessarily harsh. In a large national disaster, Red Cross is running the show in most of the areas where hams can contribute, and it's to everyones' benefit to improve the relationship between the two organizations. It strikes me as ironic that the hobby is essentially communications, yet we continue to demonstrate that communications is not our strong point when it comes to inter-organization politics. I hope we're able to maintain a public-service aspect to the amateur radio hobby. Without it, little details like frequency allocations and the ability to erect antennas will suffer. 73, Steve KB9X |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:30:12 CST, Steve Bonine wrote:
We need to pitch in and get the job done, not fixate on providing communications. If the organizer needs someone to direct traffic, and you refuse to do that because your job is communications, the organizer is going to find someone with a cell phone who is willing to direct traffic and also can handle communications. Our folks (Washington County, Oregon ARES/RACES/HEARTNET) are capable of multi=tasking, but our served agencies and the Incident Commanders (remember the NIMS ?) are tasked with using the specialists for specialist tasks. For example, of we need to move the EOC's comm console (which is on wheels) from the EOC to a relocation site, we get movers from the Labor Pool. That's THEIR job. If there aren't enough laborers to do it, that's the IC's problem to delegate someone to get them per the Plan. Hams need to work more effectively with non-hams. For example, if FRS/GRS radios make sense, they should be a part of the plan. Local events can provide good recruiting opportunities to get people interested in the hobby. Our county operations are totally integrated with the various cities' CERT members who use FRS/GMRS as their primary comm system. As a result, we've recruited quite a number of CERT people as new hams, and they make GOOD hams, (with or without code!). -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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Steve Bonine wrote:
Non-disaster includes providing communications for local events like parades. Time was that ham radio operators were really key in this regard, then along came cell phones. Ham radio still provides a pool of people who can pitch in and help, but it's not the only pool now. I'm sure there are shining examples of ham groups that continue to provide stellar service to this kind of event, but my personal experience suggests that the hobby is becoming less and less involved with helping out in non-emergency situations. Hi Steve. Your's was a thoughtful post. I would like to bring in some observations of my own on the topic of Emergency communications and public service. We still do some help with events. We even had a group come back to us after trying to go with cell phones. Turns out that at a few critical times, the critical person was not in range of a tower. And the biggest problem turned out to be getting a message to everyone at once. One call on the repeater can do what ten cell phone calls could do, plus repeats for those out of range. Then there's the disaster aspect, the "when all else fails, ham radio works" event. I was a part of the Katrina effort; I saw ham radio working when the communications infrastructure had failed. But I saw other things, too. I saw vanishingly little health-and-welfare traffic on NTS. I see organizations like the Red Cross pumping lots of money into satellite-based communications systems that can be quickly deployed for the next Katrina-like event. Whatever is come up with, it will probably be another infrastructure laden system that will fail with the first major disaster. And if it isn't, then it should be a welcome addition. My money is on heavy infrastructure. (for what will be built, not how it will work) How can we maximize the potential for ham radio to contribute to public service in the future? Maximizing might be a tall order. Not all Hams are interested in public service. I think that PS will always be a subset, just like DX'ing or Building equipment. I am interested in Public service, but I have a number of concerns. One thing that I think we need to realize is that hams are a pool of people who can help, but we no longer have a monopoly on communications, especially for non-disaster events. We need to pitch in and get the job done, not fixate on providing communications. If the organizer needs someone to direct traffic, and you refuse to do that because your job is communications, the organizer is going to find someone with a cell phone who is willing to direct traffic and also can handle communications. That is a double edged sword though. I've read and listened to a lot of EC Hams telling me just that. That if I'm needed to mop the floors or unload trucks at HQ, then that's what I have to do. While I'm always happy to do a little extra, I can say with certainty that If I volunteer for comms, and then spend most of my time with these other tasks, I doubt that I'll take off personal time in the future to do that. I guess the metric would be that I expect to be treated in as professional manner as everyone else on the job. It has been 18 months since Katrina demonstrated the need for such planning, and while there is progress, it is slow. All things considered, Amateur radio is probably a fair way down on the list of things that need fixed. I feel that ARRL has been unnecessarily antagonistic to the Red Cross. If background checks are required, it is a fact that we will lose people. I was involved with a youth organization that required background checks. A lot of people simply won't get involved. Either they have a philosophical reason, or have some kind of minor offense in the past. Even though we assure them we aren't looking for people who may have been throwing eggs at the principles house in high school- we're looking for people who shouldn't be around children - most say something like "I won't take that chance, and the possible embarrassment and damage to my reputation is not worth it". And mistakes do happen. I hope we're able to maintain a public-service aspect to the amateur radio hobby. Without it, little details like frequency allocations and the ability to erect antennas will suffer. If I were to make some suggestions for the Emergency Comm Hams, this might be it: 1. We need to ease up. Emergency comm Hams have a lot of statements that start out with "Amateur radio must....., or Amateur Radio has to..... All referring to some sort of shortcoming of Amateur Radio. 2. What am I doing here? I've seen a lot of articles telling us we have to be ready to do whatever we're assigned to do. While this may in fact be true, the approach can be improved. An example of a bad approach, very similar to what I have read in an article, and in the general tone of a lot of ARS emergency communications criticism: "Hams have to get rid of the idea that they are just there to operate radios. They may need to unload trucks, mop floors, or bring the EC employees coffee". Perhaps this is better: "Operations during disasters can be chaotic at times, and we may find ourselves helping in many different ways. Communications, errands, and sometimes even helping to keep the EC in order may be part of our job." I even read an article about switching over to new forms that are consistent with other Emergency ops. Great idea, but they spent too much time attacking the old forms, when all they had to say was that it would improve consistency. 3. What do Amateurs have to tell the "pros"? 4. These people are volunteers. I've run organizations of volunteers, and you can't run them like you can paid staff. I can order a paid person to change their ways or else, and almost always they will. Give a volunteer that same order, and they will probably find a better way to spend their time. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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On Mar 12, 8:30 pm, Steve Bonine wrote:
Reading the recent thread on antenna restrictions has me musing about public-service aspects of ham radio. This has always been an important aspect of the hobby for me; somehow I never got hooked on things like chasing DX, collecting wallpaper, or winning contests. That's the kind of thing which makes amateur great. There's room for those with any number of interests within it. Some enjoying experimenting with circuitry. Some enjoy digital mode ragchewing. When I examine the potential for public service from the hobby, I separate them into the two areas of disaster and non-disaster. Non-disaster includes providing communications for local events like parades. Time was that ham radio operators were really key in this regard, then along came cell phones. I don't know when you came into amateur radio, Steve, but when I entered it, there was very little in the way of radio amateurs providing communications for a parade. I've never thought it a valid use for ham radio. Our local ARES group has participated in things like Independence Day parades and Christmas parades. The ARES group in the county to the north of us provides communications for a number of running marathons. I do not participate in these activities. Ham radio still provides a pool of people who can pitch in and help, but it's not the only pool now. I'm sure there are shining examples of ham groups that continue to provide stellar service to this kind of event, but my personal experience suggests that the hobby is becoming less and less involved with helping out in non-emergency situations. I think that is probably a good thing. I'm part of ARES because of what the letter "E" stands for. Then there's the disaster aspect, the "when all else fails, ham radio works" event. I was a part of the Katrina effort; I saw ham radio working when the communications infrastructure had failed. But I saw other things, too. I saw vanishingly little health-and-welfare traffic on NTS. I see organizations like the Red Cross pumping lots of money into satellite-based communications systems that can be quickly deployed for the next Katrina-like event. That's a good thing too. The more communications capability, the better as far as I'm concerned. How can we maximize the potential for ham radio to contribute to public service in the future? Radio amateurs can get there first. They can go where a van full of Red Cross workers can't. One thing that I think we need to realize is that hams are a pool of people who can help, but we no longer have a monopoly on communications, especially for non-disaster events. We may just need to realize that there are (mostly) other alternatives from which to choose. We need to pitch in and get the job done, not fixate on providing communications. That's the sole reason we are involved, Steve. If the organizer needs someone to direct traffic, and you refuse to do that because your job is communications, the organizer is going to find someone with a cell phone who is willing to direct traffic and also can handle communications. I think that's a great thing. Let the organizer find someone else. I'm not showing up to direct traffic. For the past couple of years, our local ARES group has participated in our county fair--as parking attendants. I'm not going to show up to be a parking attendant. The county fair makes money. Let the fair hire parking attendants. Hams need to work more effectively with non-hams. For example, if FRS/GRS radios make sense, they should be a part of the plan. Local events can provide good recruiting opportunities to get people interested in the hobby. I think that's a very good idea. ARRL needs to step up to the plate and actually _do something_ about a national plan for ham radio in a large-scale disaster. I'm not sure just how detailed a national plan for amateur radio disasters can be. What works for a group on flat terrain or in an urban or suburban area may not work well at all in a swamp or in mountainous terrain with poor roads. It has been 18 months since Katrina demonstrated the need for such planning, and while there is progress, it is slow. ARES organization is great in some areas and nonexistent in others, so the training level of people who show up on the scene varies from excellent to zero. We should urge those with little or no training to stay at home. I feel that ARRL has been unnecessarily antagonistic to the Red Cross. The first news release that came out regarding background checks was downright derogatory, although each one since has been progressively less confrontational. While I applaud ARRL's attempts to protect the interests of their members, some of the language has been unnecessarily harsh. In a large national disaster, Red Cross is running the show in most of the areas where hams can contribute, and it's to everyones' benefit to improve the relationship between the two organizations. It strikes me as ironic that the hobby is essentially communications, yet we continue to demonstrate that communications is not our strong point when it comes to inter-organization politics. If the American Red Cross wants to do a background check on me, based upon whatever information it can readily find, that'd suit me. If it expects me to submit financial information, that isn't happening. If it finds itself short of volunteers, it'll likely wake up. Our local ARES group is supported by Marshall County, West Virginia. The county provides us with a place to meet, space for an operations center. It provides us with money for equipment upgrades and maintenance and even provides tower space for an ARES repeater. We work closely with the Marshall County Office of Emergency Services. The Red Cross isn't a factor. Marshall County ARES is likely to be activated during flooding, searches for lost individuals (with the Northern Panhandle Search and Rescue team), the aftermath of wind storms and fires/explosions at area chemical factories. I hope we're able to maintain a public-service aspect to the amateur radio hobby. Without it, little details like frequency allocations and the ability to erect antennas will suffer. I suspect that a reduced public service role won't play a large part in our ability to erect antennas. I exercised my choice to buy a home in an area where no one may tell me what antennas or towers I can install and no one can tell me what color to paint my house. I wouldn't consider buying in a place where conditions are otherwise. Dave K8MN |
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I have found that the best way to approach the group you would like to support is to ask them what they need and then figure out if you can accommodate them. Sometimes you have to tell a group you can help them in a certain area but they will have to absorb the equipment costs.. like a group that wants on site TV back to an operations center or e-mail from a field location where Blackberrys and cell text messaging don't work. |
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On Mar 14, 5:20 pm, Steve Bonine wrote:
wrote: On Mar 12, 8:30 pm, Steve Bonine wrote: I don't know when you came into amateur radio, Steve, but when I entered it, there was very little in the way of radio amateurs providing communications for a parade. I've never thought it a valid use for ham radio. Our local ARES group has participated in things like Independence Day parades and Christmas parades. The ARES group in the county to the north of us provides communications for a number of running marathons. I do not participate in these activities. As you say, different strokes for different folks. It is quite simple. I participate in emergency communications. In the past, the ARRL had both AREC, the Amateur Radio Emergency Corps and ARPSC, the Amateur Radio Public Service Corps. Interest in participation in both wasn't necessary. I don't object if others choose to participate in parades. I trust that they won't object if I choose not to do so. There are good reasons for participating in these kinds of events. For an ARES group, these kinds of events provide an opportunity to actually do something besides checking into a weekly net. That's a good point. Participation in a parade can be seen as a training exercise. Parking cars, on the the other hand, isn't training. Training is key for ARES groups. Actually getting into the field and using radios to do real communications is the best kind of training. You're quite right. Short of an actual disaster, public service events provide the best opportunity to do that. Well, they provide one way to do so, but not the only way. Ham radio still provides a pool of people who can pitch in and help, but it's not the only pool now. I'm sure there are shining examples of ham groups that continue to provide stellar service to this kind of event, but my personal experience suggests that the hobby is becoming less and less involved with helping out in non-emergency situations. I think that is probably a good thing. I'm part of ARES because of what the letter "E" stands for. Problem is, how many "E"s do you have? I don't think anyone would like to see to many. We have had more than enough actual events to keep us active. What does the group do between the "E"s? How do they build and maintain their expertise? We're fairly unique in this area. The old state prison at Moundsville is now used by national law enforcement for training. There are mock prison riots a couple of times per year in which Marshall County ARES is a participant. There was also a mock plague drill in which all agencies participated throughout the area. Radio amateurs manned positions at various EOC's, local hospitals and at the epicenter of the event. The ARES group also participates in Field Day each year. We've all received training in operating county radio equipment so that we can serve as auxiliary ops in the event that there is a shortage of professional ops. Many of the same kinds of tactical-communications and organizational skills that are valuable in an emergency situation are used in public service events. Well, a number of them are used. A guy sitting in his car with a mobile dual-bander or a fellow with an HT on a street corner for a couple of hours doesn't use all of the skills involved in a severe weather event which might last for days and require loads of spare batteries and other backup equipment. Passing accurate messages via digital modes may not come into play ARRL needs to step up to the plate and actually _do something_ about a national plan for ham radio in a large-scale disaster. I'm not sure just how detailed a national plan for amateur radio disasters can be. What works for a group on flat terrain or in an urban or suburban area may not work well at all in a swamp or in mountainous terrain with poor roads. The main thing is to get people deployed. For Katrina, the Red Cross went to ARRL a couple of days into the event and asked for help. ARRL had to start from scratch in terms of finding people who were able and willing to help. They put a notice on the web site asking interested volunteers to send mail to and went from there. It was a great effort, and it worked, but it would have been so much more effective if there had existed some sort of national database containing information on hams who were able to help. This was the recommendation of the committee put together after Katrina, and I expect that such a facility will eventually be built, but it sure would be nice if it were put in place before this year's hurricane season. I think that is a very good idea. Having a pool of trained ops who can leave for a major disaster site on short notice would be extremely helpful. I'd think that not many of us would be in a position to drop everything and rush to a different region, especially for what might become a prolonged absence. As for a national plan, I think that the training provided by ARRL in emergency communications is valuable. Sure, different techniques will need to be used depending on the type of disaster, the terrain, and so on. But there are certain basic things that will always be true, and teaching people the basics is extremely valuable when you have to build a team quickly using people from many different geographic areas. Just teaching vocabulary so that everyone is speaking the same language is a huge asset. You have a valid point though I don't think vocabulary should be a problem. We're hams passing traffic via amateur radio. Whatever official jargon the supported agency uses will be passed in its message traffic. All radio amateur need do is relay that information accurately. If the American Red Cross wants to do a background check on me, based upon whatever information it can readily find, that'd suit me. If it expects me to submit financial information, that isn't happening. Basically the information that the Red Cross is asking you to provide is your Social Security Number so that they can be sure that the information they're obtaining is really about you. I seem to recall the word "financial", coupled with the words "background check". Am I mistaken? A lot of people have a problem even with that. I think I'd have a problem with that. The FCC has issued me an amateur radio license. The FCC knows who I am and where I live. I have other forms of identification. That should be good enough for the American Red Cross. I'm not hiring on with that agency. I'd simply be volunteering my time. In today's environment of identity theft, I can understand that. Lots of folks can identify with such things. A group of older women used to go to a local nursing home to read to the residents. The state suddenly and arbitrarily mandated that they be fingerprinted and have a background investigation done on them. Now there is a shortage of readers. If it finds itself short of volunteers, it'll likely wake up. "Waking up", in the sense of not requiring the background check, isn't an option. It certainly is an option. Whether the Red Cross thinks that everyone will bow to the idea is an unknown. Who is hurt if the Red Cross has a shortage of volunteer radio operators spending their own money? The background check has been mandated by all the publicity related to fraud during previous operations. Were there any reports of radio amateurs being involved with fraud? Red Cross volunteers will have to submit to the background check. Some will refuse. Volunteers will be lost. It's a fact of life in today's society. That was my point. Each member of our county ARES group is issued an ID card. None of us submitted to a background investigation by anyone. There's another issue, though. When is an ARES member considered a Red Cross volunteer? This has been a sticky issue, and no doubt will continue to be one. ARRL still has not updated the information on their web site to reflect recent changes in this policy. As far as I'm concerned, I'm a radio amateur operating under the auspices of the ARRL's AREC through my county organization. I'm assigned to serve whichever agency I'm assigned to work under. I'm never in a position where I'm working for that agency. Our local ARES group is supported by Marshall County, West Virginia. The county provides us with a place to meet, space for an operations center. It provides us with money for equipment upgrades and maintenance and even provides tower space for an ARES repeater. We work closely with the Marshall County Office of Emergency Services. The Red Cross isn't a factor. On the local level, I understand. But if there is a large national disaster, Red Cross will be a factor. In fact, they're likely to be calling the shots in many of the areas in which amateur radio is involved. The Red Cross is not the only factor though. One can work with local, county or state police, with the Salvation Army with any number of other non-governmental organizations. I used to belong to the Northern Kentucky Amateur Radio Association. It did respond to the Red Cross. My local ARES group here does not. I suspect that a reduced public service role won't play a large part in our ability to erect antennas. I think that the fact that amateur radio serves a public interest is key to the survival of the hobby, not just in the sense of erecting antennas, but in terms of maintaining our frequency allocations and recruiting new hams. We have the HF amateur bands through international treaty. We don't risk losing them through lack of public service participation. The percentage of radio amateurs who regularly participate in ARES or public service operations have always been traditionally small. As discussed elsewhere in this group, antennas are quite a different matter. The real threat to the erection of antennas is real estate covenants, not lack of participation in public service work. I don't and won't live in some subdivision with such restrictions. Others may find it a near necessity to buy in such developments. How many teenagers, clutching their cell phone in one hand, are going to be wooed into ham radio by the allure of talking to someone in the next state or even a country on the other side of the world? I honestly don't know, Steve. I suppose that some of them who realize that their cellular phones are actually tiny, low-powered radio transceivers, linked somewhere to telephone lines in order to fuction, might get it. I've run into a number of folks who are fascinated that I can drive my car down the highway while chatting with a friend in Finland--maybe even using Morse code--and that I'm not paying so much money per minute. Some find it very interesting that I've checked into the West Virginia Phone Net and am simultaneous contact with radio amateurs all over this state. But show them a news story about how ham radio is key to providing communications in an emergency, and a few of them might be interested. They certainly might be interested. What interested you in becoming a radio amateur? Were you a kid when it happened? I was interested at 12 and licensed at 14. My interest was in talking with people all over the world without telephone wires--and aside from the modest cost of my equipment, it was for free! Well, the cost of my equipment and antennas is no longer modest, but a kid can still get on the air for a couple or three hundred bucks and a few pieces of wire. Radio for its own sake, that's what it was about for me. How many voters care that we can sit in our shacks and chew the fat with our peers, or chase wallpaper? I'm a voter and I care. :-) But sell them on the fact that ham radio provides a valuable service if there's a flood or tornado or blizzard, and they might be willing to tolerate an antenna. We should sell them on that idea, but I didn't buy my land for them, I bought it for me. If I can "tolerate" a pink plastic flamingo on my neighbor's lawn in front of his parked RV beside his pink brick home, he can "tolerate" my antenna. [all hypothetical, of course] Ham radio is a unique hobby in the sense that it requires support from governmental agencies in order to exist. It is recognized by the Federal government and licensed by an agency of the government. Did you know that the FCC never mentions the word "hobby" in Part 97? Public service has always been an important aspect of justifying and obtaining that support. It is part of the reason that we exist and are licensed by our government. A great number of radio amateurs in other parts of the world pay a yearly license fee. In some countries, radio amateurs are forbidden to participate in public service work. I don't know how it is in the U.K. now (maybe Ivor can fill us in), but it used to be forbidden to use a phone patch in the U.K. We American radio amateurs have free licenses and a great deal of freedom to participate in numerous ways in amateur radio. It behooves us to become skilled ops, using as many different modes as possible. Public service work plays a role, but it isn't the ne plus ultra of amateur radio. Dave K8MN 73, Steve KB9X |
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"Steve Bonine" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mar 14, 5:20 pm, Steve Bonine wrote: [snipped] I seem to recall the word "financial", coupled with the words "background check". Am I mistaken? You're not mistaken about recalling the words. The Red Cross is not doing a financial background check. There is controversy on how the wording reads on the web site that does the background check. I believe that the problem has been worked out, but the last I checked the information on the ARRL web site had not been updated. [snipped] "Background check" sounds too intrusive. If it is a criminal records check, than say "criminal records check." The reason that the Red Cross instituted background checks was to try to prevent the type of fraud that occurred during Katrina. There's no correlation between having an FCC license and passing a background check. I'd like to think that all licensed amateurs are honest upstanding folks, but I know that's not true. [snipped] I don't recall hearing anything about ham radio operators commiting fraud. I did hear a lot about 'victims' perpatrating fraud. [snipped] Yes, I did run into a few radio amateurs during the Katrina operation who were not mentally stable. Fraud? No. Irrational behavior? Yes. Would a background check have had any effect? I don't know. It MIGHT have kept them at home. Or not. [snipped] Often we use our own frame of reference to judge the actions of others. Perhaps some of those mentioned above might have a different view of your actions than you do. Perhaps to some of them, your actions might be deemed to be 'irrational'; not saying that is the case at all. A criminal records check will not uncover that kind of behavior unless it is related to some offense. A full blown background check, where neighbors are interviewed, might uncover it but it is not likely. |
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ups.com [snip] A great number of radio amateurs in other parts of the world pay a yearly license fee. In some countries, radio amateurs are forbidden to participate in public service work. I don't know how it is in the U.K. now (maybe Ivor can fill us in), but it used to be forbidden to use a phone patch in the U.K. It still is. We now have Echolink of course, where repeaters are linked via the internet (over a phone line of course) but direct connection with the PSTN is still forbidden. As far as emergency service work goes, we have RAYNET (Radio Amateur Emergency Network) but that has IMHO degenerated into little more than helping with organising parades etc. which is why I got out of it many years ago. If there's a genuine emergency somewhere then I'll be happy to assist in whatever way I can, but I have no desire to stand around on street corners watching marathon runners. BTW we now have a lifetime licence here, which means no more renewal fees (I suspect the dwindling numbers mean it's not worth collecting) but you do have to confirm that you are still active every 5 years. 73 Ivor G6URP PS am I still the only UK call on here..?! |
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"Steve Bonine" wrote in message wrote: On Mar 14, 5:20 pm, Steve Bonine wrote: I don't object if others choose to participate in parades. I trust that they won't object if I choose not to do so. I certainly don't object. You've described other things that you chose to do. The thing that I object to is the folks who say that they don't have time to participate in training, but "I'll be there if you need me in an emergency." Sorry, but I'm one of those. I *don't* have time, I have a full time job and I volunteer for an animal rescue charity at the weekends, plus all the normal family/household things that most people do. Besides, what training is necessary to pass radio messages..? Don't we already know how to do that..? Or am I missing something..? 73 Ivor G6URP |
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Ivor Jones wrote:
BTW we now have a lifetime licence here, which means no more renewal fees (I suspect the dwindling numbers mean it's not worth collecting) but you do have to confirm that you are still active every 5 years. I'm just curious . . . How do you accomplish this confirmation? What happens if you don't? I get the impression that this is functionally equivalent to the US license in which we must renew (but every ten years now, instead of five). There's no fee for renewal and it can be accomplished in a few minutes using the FCC web site. 73, Steve KB9X |
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Ivor Jones wrote:
"Steve Bonine" wrote . . . The thing that I object to is the folks who say that they don't have time to participate in training, but "I'll be there if you need me in an emergency." Sorry, but I'm one of those. I *don't* have time, I have a full time job and I volunteer for an animal rescue charity at the weekends, plus all the normal family/household things that most people do. Besides, what training is necessary to pass radio messages..? Don't we already know how to do that..? Or am I missing something..? My experience in actual disasters suggests both good news and bad news in this regard. Bad news: Yes, you're probably missing something. Knowing how to pass radio messages is a valuable skill, but it doesn't translate directly to the kinds of tactical communications required during a real event. Having trained with your local group can be a big help, both in terms of honing specific skills, getting familiar with the local people so you work better as a team, and forging relationships with the local agencies that you're going to work with in the actual disaster. Good news: During the Katrina operation, I worked with a team of hams who had never met each other until we were thrown together in Mississippi. Experience and training ran the gamut from decades to minutes. We were able to meld into an effective operation and provide a much-needed service. Some in the group had a lot of training and experience that they shared with the rest of us. Most hams are fast learners and the basic experience of using the radio is valuable. So in the best of all worlds, everyone would have had training. In this world we live in, I understand that it's simply not possible for everyone, either because of time constraints or because there's no organized ham radio group in the area. My comment was actually aimed at a tiny minority of hams who show up on site and become a part of the problem rather than a part of the solution. These people do exist, even in the ham radio fraternity. 73, Steve KB9X |
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"Steve Bonine" wrote in message Ivor Jones wrote: BTW we now have a lifetime licence here, which means no more renewal fees (I suspect the dwindling numbers mean it's not worth collecting) but you do have to confirm that you are still active every 5 years. I'm just curious . . . How do you accomplish this confirmation? What happens if you don't? It's only just been introduced this year, I received mine a few weeks ago. It can be renewed in the same way as yours via the web, or of course by post. If you don't, the licence is revoked and the call will be cancelled. I get the impression that this is functionally equivalent to the US license in which we must renew (but every ten years now, instead of five). There's no fee for renewal and it can be accomplished in a few minutes using the FCC web site. 73, Steve KB9X 73 Ivor G6URP |
Public service and ham radio
Ivor Jones wrote:
"Steve Bonine" wrote in message wrote: On Mar 14, 5:20 pm, Steve Bonine wrote: [snip] The thing that I object to is the folks who say that they don't have time to participate in training, but "I'll be there if you need me in an emergency." Sorry, but I'm one of those. I *don't* have time, I have a full time job and I volunteer for an animal rescue charity at the weekends, plus all the normal family/household things that most people do. Besides, what training is necessary to pass radio messages..? Don't we already know how to do that..? Or am I missing something..? Ivor, We're all too busy these days: I'd guess that the rest of the world said goodbye to the 40 hour work-week at about the same time as those of us in the U.S. Both parents working, kids in day care, constant juggling: it's a familiar story. But - Drills, especially large ones, are the _ONLY_ way to prepare for the mass confusion, conflicting agendas, egomania, short tempers, long waits, and broken radios that hams must deal with during a deployment. Those who don't prepare _are_ a part of the problem: however well-intentioned an operator might be, (s)he will bring a set of expectations and capabilities to a response which only training can shape. On my first deployment, I brought a massive backpack, which included almost nothing I later needed and almost everything I didn't. The drills that I attended after that did little to hone my radio skills, but a lot to make me ready to use them, quickly and effectively. In short, time is the currency of the realm in disaster response: it's the _only_ item that can't be bought, fabricated, fedex'd or helicoptered into a disaster. However well-intentioned a ham may be, if (s)he's not trained and in practice, then it takes time to get him/her up to speed, and that's time that's better used for other things. Those of us who must choose to spend our time in other activities - there is, of course, nothing wrong with that - can best prepare for disasters by getting ready to help from our own QTH: there are, after all, always two ends to any radio circuit. Bill P.S. There's are a lot of old sayings in the business: here are some I've found inspirational - "Always Arrange Agreement in Advance" "Bring Basics: Bandages, Bedding, Bottles, Batteries, Beans" "Proper Planning and Practice Provides Peak Performance" "Water, Wind, Waves, and Weakness Won't Wait". P.P.S. I'd bet there isn't a single question on any ham exam in the world that asks how much toilet paper to bring to a deployment; Q.E.D. -- 73, Bill W1AC (Remove "73" and change top level domain for direct replies) |
Public service and ham radio
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Steve Bonine wrote: I don't object if others choose to participate in parades. I trust that they won't object if I choose not to do so. I certainly don't object. You've described other things that you chose to do. The thing that I object to is the folks who say that they don't have time to participate in training, but "I'll be there if you need me in an emergency." I'm reminded of a comment made by Bart Lee KV6LEE, who happened to be in New York City on 9/11 and served as the night-shift amateur radio communications coordinator for the first few days of the incident. He said, "You may know the saying 'In a crisis, you'll rise to the occasion.' It's not true. You'll sink to the level of your experience." I agree - if you intend to be of real use in a crisis, you need to drill and practice on the skills and techniques that you'll use when the fewmets hit the ventilator, so that they're as close to second nature as possible. Organized comms-and-crisis training is surely the best way to go. Doing comms for public-service events isn't quite the same, but I think it's distinctly better than nothing. Doing _other_ things, like handling parking at public service events, would seem to have little training benefit. That's not to say that hams shouldn't accept such jobs... but they should probably consider themselves to be doing so just as J. Random Volunteer, not as a ham per se, since what they're doing has nothing to do with their particular specialty. What does the group do between the "E"s? How do they build and maintain their expertise? We're fairly unique in this area. The old state prison at Moundsville is now used by national law enforcement for training. There are mock prison riots a couple of times per year in which Marshall County ARES is a participant. There was also a mock plague drill in which all agencies participated throughout the area. Radio amateurs manned positions at various EOC's, local hospitals and at the epicenter of the event. The ARES group also participates in Field Day each year. We've all received training in operating county radio equipment so that we can serve as auxiliary ops in the event that there is a shortage of professional ops. That's impressive. It's just about as opposite from our situation here as it could possibly be. My county (Santa Clara, CA) is fortunate enough to have a very well organized ARES/RACES setup, which is valued by the county and by most of the cities... and I have the good fortune to be in a city with an a topnotch ARES/RACES EC and an excellent relationship between the ARES/RACES hams and the city emergency manager. Lots of training, both within the city, and at the county level (trained and city- nominated hams are signed up by the county as Mutual Aid Communicators, and can be formally activated to provide inter-city support). It's a very impressive setup (to me, at least) with a lot of thought and effort behind it. I still participate as a communicator in PSEs, though, both to help keep my skills up and because it's usually a lot of fun. Part of what has forced a degree of formalism (dare I say "professionalism" w/r/t "amateur" radio?) is the whole issue of liability and insurance coverage for hams who have been formally called out by their city or by the county. In order to receive California Disaster Service Worker coverage, the hams must be formally activated by a suitable authority, and *must* be qualified for the duties for which they are being activated. Our county AEC is very clear about the limits: he's instructed his MACs that he does *not* authorize them to perform certain types of duties or to follow officials to which they are assigned into physically dangerous locations, because the MACs have not received adequate training in those areas (e.g. fireline training). He (and the city ECs) have also made it very clear that their ARES/RACES hams are *not* to "self-activate" if they perceive an emergency - they are to contact their EC or other authorized official and await formal activation. One of the responsibilities of almost any professional is to have a clear understanding of his/her "scope of practice", and to be willing to say "What you're asking me to do is outside my scope of practice, and I must decline." Hams who want to help out in emergencies need to be equally professional, I think. As Harry Callahan said, "A man's got to know his limitations." Part of the problem with people who haven't participated in training is a twofold issue: they may not know their limitations, and the people they're working with won't know those limitations either. If a guy you've never seen before shows up in an emergency with a radio and an offer to help, you have no way of knowing whether he's $DEITY's gift to emergency comms, or a loose cannon with a lit fuse. Around here, unaffiliated hams who show up in a crisis will be treated just like any other "convergent volunteer" - they'll be referred to a centralized volunteer center (there are two such in the county), interviewed, and (if apparently qualified enough to be useful) may be signed up as DSWs and put into _supervised_ service (e.g. sent out with another, trained ham). Such convergent-volunteer hams will *not* be put into solo, standalone service as part of an activation until their level of training, behavior under stress, etc. have been evaluated in the field. I seem to recall the word "financial", coupled with the words "background check". Am I mistaken? You're not mistaken about recalling the words. The Red Cross is not doing a financial background check. There is controversy on how the wording reads on the web site that does the background check. I believe that the problem has been worked out, but the last I checked the information on the ARRL web site had not been updated. Yeah, the latest version is still unclear... the Red Cross says that they won't actually *do* such a check, but the private company they've contracted the checking to *does* insist that the person being checked give a very-wide-range authorization for checking which could include financial and "lifestyle" checks. I think I'd have a problem with that. The FCC has issued me an amateur radio license. The FCC knows who I am and where I live. I have other forms of identification. That should be good enough for the American Red Cross. The reason that the Red Cross instituted background checks was to try to prevent the type of fraud that occurred during Katrina. There's no correlation between having an FCC license and passing a background check. I'd like to think that all licensed amateurs are honest upstanding folks, but I know that's not true. Our city, and the county, and many of the other cities here in the county have a background-check requirement for anyone who is going to be granted physical access to secure or sensitive areas. For instance, my city's ARES/RACES hamshack is in the Police and Fire Admin building, literally one (unlocked) door away from the 911 dispatch consoles. The ARES EC and AECs have been given ID cards which unlock the outside building door... we don't even have to pick up the phone and buzz for access. There's no way that the city would authorize access to this sort of area to unescorted hams, without at least a basic background check. Hams can sign up for ARES and participate in the weekly nets without going through such a check, but in order to be listed under RACES and make themselves available for formal activation they have to be checked. In our case, the check is a "Livescan", which includes a "wants and warrants" check and fingerprinting. No financial/lifestyle check. The county's rules are similar. I understand that the county is trying to negotiate an MOU with our local Red Cross organizations, in which the Red Cross would accept any ham who had been through a city or county background check without further huhu. This sort of arrangement would seem to be implied in the original Red Cross announcement, which spoke of doing background checks for anyone who was coming in from an organization which didn't already do such checks, so with a bit of luck it'll be formalized hereabouts before too long. I think that the big hassle w/r/t the Red Cross announcement, is that they subcontracted the checking out to a company which has (so far) insisted on having only a single level of "OK, check me out!" authorization - one which is rather more invasive than the Red Cross's criteria would require. For one thing, you are likely to be issued Red Cross credentials. This implies a level of responsibility for the Red Cross. Also, you're likely, as a communicator, to be in very sensitive locations like the EOC or in service centers in close proximity to sensitive documents and information. If there's logic for Red Cross volunteers to be required to pass a background check, the same logic applies to the ham radio operators who are shadowing them or assisting them in close quarters. And speaking of close quarters, you're likely to be sharing sleeping quarters with these people; personally I feel better about sleeping with 100 of my new co-workers if I have reason to believe that at least some basic screening has been done on them. Finally, there's the public view of things. The "man on the street" sees two people walking together, both wearing similar credentials, and doing the same job. The ham radio operator will not be distinguished from the Red Cross volunteer. If there's a problem, the Red Cross will take the heat. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to hold ham volunteers to some standard. Yup, all valid concerns. FEMA and the NGOs took a lot of heat for errors made in the Katrina response. One of those errors involved not adequately screening volunteers and suffering fraud because of it. I do not think that those errors will be made again. Will this result in better service to the disaster victims? NO, most certainly, it will not. Every check that is put in place to prevent fraud will make it harder for legitimate victims to obtain the aid that they need. But that will not stop those checks from being made because the taxpayers demand a certain level of assurance that their tax money is being distributed to people with a legitimate need. Agreed. It has become a political necessity... I have to admit that, as little as I like the idea and the invasiveness and the bureaucracy. Yes, I did run into a few radio amateurs during the Katrina operation who were not mentally stable. Fraud? No. Irrational behavior? Yes. Would a background check have had any effect? I don't know. It MIGHT have kept them at home. Or not. Or might, at least, have helped keep them in areas of lower stress where their behavior could do less damage to the disaster work. One more comment, only peripherally related to background checks. This is specifically aimed at _national_ disasters, not local ones where local credentials are used. I am afraid that Katrina was the death knell for just showing up and being put to work. As far as hams go, in a lot of cities, the idea of "just showing up and going to work" fell into disrepute quite some time ago. I've heard several stories about how a few "bad apples" in the ham community, showing up at disasters and getting in the way, were enough of a problem to cause the city to kick *all* the hams out of the area and the process, and (in effect) declare hams to be "persona non grata". This sort of damage can take years, or even decades to repair. A big part of the training and background-check process (and having this be visible to the cities, counties, Red Cross, etc.) is to reassure these organizations that the hams who they're dealing with are going to be assets rather than liabilities. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
Public service and ham radio
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Ivor Jones wrote: Sorry, but I'm one of those. I *don't* have time, I have a full time job and I volunteer for an animal rescue charity at the weekends, plus all the normal family/household things that most people do. Besides, what training is necessary to pass radio messages..? Don't we already know how to do that..? Some do. Some do not. It does not come naturally. Chatting with someone on the radio, or making HF QSOs, is not necessarily going to prepare you for passing formal or semi-formal message traffic *efficiently* on a busy net, when you and everyone else are under stress in an emergency. Things like "listen before you transmit", "don't read the message faster than you can write it", "pause and drop carrier after every N words", "don't editorialize", "think of what you're going to say before you press PTT", and so forth don't come automatically, and it's disturbingly easy to forget them when under pressure. I believe that's just as true for "quarter century" hams as it is for the newly licensed. A message-net (formal or otherwise) with well-practiced operators can be a joy to observe. Just one or two untrained or out-of-practice ops can slow things to a crawl. My own experience, after five years as a ham and after dozens of training sessions and drills, is simply this: training and regular practice makes a huge difference. I remember reading a comment by Vladimir Horowitz, some years ago, about his piano practice. He said something to the effect of "If I skip my scales practice for a day, I can tell the difference in how well I play. If I skip it for two days, my wife can tell. If I skip it for three days, everybody can tell." -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
Public service and ham radio
"Bill Horne, W1AC" wrote in message ... Ivor Jones wrote: "Steve Bonine" wrote in message wrote: On Mar 14, 5:20 pm, Steve Bonine wrote: [snip] [snipped] P.P.S. I'd bet there isn't a single question on any ham exam in the world that asks how much toilet paper to bring to a deployment; Q.E.D. [snipped] Most hams won't even think to put it in there go kit. Another clue, if going on a long deployment (subjective) take twice as many socks as you think you will need and you will probably have enough. |
Public service and ham radio
Dave Platt wrote:
I've heard several stories about how a few "bad apples" in the ham community, showing up at disasters and getting in the way, were enough of a problem to cause the city to kick *all* the hams out of the area and the process, and (in effect) declare hams to be "persona non grata". This sort of damage can take years, or even decades to repair. Indeed, this is exactly the situation we're in right now. Once someone in charge gets it in their head that hams are a problem, it is almost impossible to change their mind. In fact, the only reason we're now beginning to mend fences is that the personalities involved have changed. Bill Horne, W1AC wrote: On my first deployment, I brought a massive backpack, which included almost nothing I later needed and almost everything I didn't. I went to the Katrina effort with another ham from the area. We drove down in his Suburban, and the vehicles was completely full. We used almost nothing that we brought. On the other hand, one of the other hams drove down in a similarly-sized vehicle that he had equipped after years of experience with disaster operations. It was almost uncanny how he had exactly what he, and the rest of us, needed. If we came up short, the answer was "Ask Al." and he invariably had what we needed and the knowledge to use it. That's the difference that training and experience makes. Newby wrote: "Bill Horne, W1AC" wrote: P.P.S. I'd bet there isn't a single question on any ham exam in the world that asks how much toilet paper to bring to a deployment; Q.E.D. Most hams won't even think to put it in there go kit. I wonder how many hams even _have_ a go-kit. Or even a list to create one when needed. I forgot a particularly important item during a training exercise and realized that I needed to make an actual checklist for my go-kit. I was astounded to discover that it contained over 100 items. No, that's not a Suburban-full; it's one carry-on bag and a small rolling suitcase. |
Public service and ham radio
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:58:07 CST, "Ivor Jones"
wrote: Besides, what training is necessary to pass radio messages..? Don't we already know how to do that..? If "passing radio messages" was all that was required it wouldn't be a problem. I am a co-station-manager of an emergency radio unit at a major medical center EOC served by the county ARES/RACES unit. Over the five years there, we have had regular training exercises as well as several actual call-outs. Our position handles three (yes, three) voice circuits and two data (packet) circuits to two counties' EOCs and to the regional hospital dispatch center. It involves handling traffic in three different systems, using message forms particular to those systems -- remember that we support them and their operations, and do what they ask us to do for that support. Each operator (we usually have two per shift) has to know the functioning of each component of the EOC and how to navigate through them - they don't have time to teach us when "things happen". We may also be called on to operate the "regular" radio equipment that the med center uses on a day-to-day basis, and we have trained and licensed some of the emergency room support personnel to operate some ham radio equipment located in the ER which is on a specific inter-hospital system. In other words, we are an integral part of the EOC's operation. You cannot drop an untrained "I know how to pass radio messages" amateur operator into that mix and hope that it will function properly. What we do with such volunteers is to direct them to a resource net (the radio equivalent of the hospital's "labor pool" assignment system) for placement in positions that do not require that level of training. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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