Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:24:36 CST, Rick wrote in :

Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

I think it's good until July first, 2007. Good luck -- and may you be
so well prepared that you need no luck at all.

--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO

Tired old sysadmin

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Mar 18, 11:24?am, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

I would suggest just going to www.ncvec.org and downloading
your choice of the current Extra exam and/or the one that
will go into effect in July of this year. You can then look them
over and see what you need to study more. The changes
might be slight such as the regulations (affected by the
restructuring of 2000?) but the VEC might have changed a
few "distractor" questions...:-)

Be aware that the Extra written element has about sixteen
times as many quesions as the minimum ten required by
the FCC. That is, to me, highly commendable of the NCVEC.
It is now more difficult to "memorize" everything on a test.

73, Len AF6AY

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 18, 11:24?am, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

I would suggest just going to www.ncvec.org and downloading
your choice of the current Extra exam and/or the one that
will go into effect in July of this year. You can then look them
over and see what you need to study more. The changes
might be slight such as the regulations (affected by the
restructuring of 2000?) but the VEC might have changed a
few "distractor" questions...:-)

Be aware that the Extra written element has about sixteen
times as many quesions as the minimum ten required by
the FCC. That is, to me, highly commendable of the NCVEC.
It is now more difficult to "memorize" everything on a test.

73, Len AF6AY


The General class pool changes July 1, 2007. The Extra will not change
until July 1, 2008.

The effectivity dates for the current Extra question pool a July 1, 2002
until June 30, 2008.

There is no harm using the older manual so long as one studies and learns
the material rather than the question pool. I would recommend though that
the current question pool be used for review rather that the one in the 2001
manual.

Dee, N8UZE

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:24:36 CST, Rick wrote:


Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

The theory is still the same. Regulations have changed. Your choice.
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:39:09 -0600, Phil Kane wrote:

The theory is still the same. Regulations have changed. Your choice.

That's mostly what I was wondering. I know some of the frequency
allocations have changed, and I have the 12/15/06 allocation chart here.
And I know there's no more CW requirement. What else changed in the last
6 years or so that's important?

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Mar 18, 3:30�pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...

On Mar 18, 11:24?am, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

* I would suggest just going towww.ncvec.organd downloading
* your choice of the current Extra exam and/or the one that
* will go into effect in July of this year. *You can then look them
* over and see what you need to study more. *The changes
* might be slight such as the regulations (affected by the
* restructuring of 2000?) but the VEC might have changed a
* few "distractor" questions...:-)

* Be aware that the Extra written element has about sixteen
* times as many quesions as the minimum ten required by
* the FCC. *That is, to me, highly commendable of the NCVEC.
* It is now more difficult to "memorize" everything on a test.

The General class pool changes July 1, 2007. *The Extra will not change
until July 1, 2008.

The effectivity dates for the current Extra question pool a July 1, 2002
until June 30, 2008.

Thank you, Dee. Correction noted. I took and passed all
three on 25 Feb 07 so I guess my memory just crossed
it out on effective dates of exams. :-)

73, Len AF6AY

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:40:57 CST, "
wrote:

Thank you, Dee. Correction noted. I took and passed all
three on 25 Feb 07 so I guess my memory just crossed
it out on effective dates of exams. :-)

73, Len AF6AY

Congrats Len, and welcome to the Wide World of Hamdom.
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 18, 3:30�pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...

On Mar 18, 11:24?am, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for
taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend
the
money for a newer license manual?

I would suggest just going towww.ncvec.organd downloading
your choice of the current Extra exam and/or the one that
will go into effect in July of this year. You can then look them
over and see what you need to study more. The changes
might be slight such as the regulations (affected by the
restructuring of 2000?) but the VEC might have changed a
few "distractor" questions...:-)

Be aware that the Extra written element has about sixteen
times as many quesions as the minimum ten required by
the FCC. That is, to me, highly commendable of the NCVEC.
It is now more difficult to "memorize" everything on a test.

The General class pool changes July 1, 2007. The Extra will not change
until July 1, 2008.

The effectivity dates for the current Extra question pool a July 1,
2002
until June 30, 2008.

Thank you, Dee. Correction noted. I took and passed all
three on 25 Feb 07 so I guess my memory just crossed
it out on effective dates of exams. :-)

73, Len AF6AY


It gets confusing even for those of us who need to stay on top of it. The
Extra pool was originally slated to expire in 2006 but it was extended two
years as the VECs decided that the Tech needed reworked in 2006. Then they
proceeded to the General for 2007. This pushed the Extra out to 2008.

Dee, N8UZE

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Mar 18, 1:24 pm, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

There have been no changes in radio theory, and very minor rule
changes which affect Extra, so if you understand the material, any
study guide going back to 1990 or so should work just fine,
supplemented by a quick review of Part 97.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Mar 28, 9:56 am, Michael Coslo wrote:


I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now ..........


If you understand the material, the specifics of the question pool are
immaterial.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Mar 28, 9:16�am, wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:56 am, Michael Coslo wrote:


* * * * I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now ..........

If you understand the material, the specifics of the question pool are
immaterial.

Having taken all three written elements just a month ago, I have
to disagree slightly. The amateur extra element (prepared by
the ARRL VEC) had a number of "distracting" questions and
correct answers that required some careful study, both before
and during the test. I have nothing against that, having seen
that thing in many different similar-format written tests before
but the theory material by itself may not be enough.

I never saved any QPC pools in the past so I can't compare
old versus new. While questions on radio theory were (few)
straightforward, I had to review a number of detailed areas
concerning space operations and data/packet modes and
practices to feel fully confident before taking the tests.

Regulations have changed slightly since a decade ago (from
my 1995 five-volume Title 47 set concerning Part 97) but
those must, in my opinion, be memorized beforehand. In
actual practice there are many versions of bandplans in the
form of charts (I like Icom's nicely-colored ones) to use
when operating. Actual numbers as used in the tests need
memorization to pass them correctly.

73, Len AF6AY

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Mar 28, 1:43 pm, Michael Coslo wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:56 am, Michael Coslo wrote:

I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now ..........

If you understand the material, the specifics of the question pool are
immaterial.

You'll probably pass, but you would get some of the band and privilege
edges questions wrong if you read the old pool questions and took the
new test.

Which is why I suggested a quick review of Part 97!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:24 pm, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

There have been no changes in radio theory, and very minor rule
changes which affect Extra, so if you understand the material, any
study guide going back to 1990 or so should work just fine,
supplemented by a quick review of Part 97.


A book that old (pre-2000) would also need to be supplemented by the
companion Advanced study guide as the current exam (since 2000) combines
these two groups of material. Back when these were separate, the most
difficult theory questions were on the Advanced exam.

Dee, N8UZE
Dee, N8UZE

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

Michael Coslo wrote in :

You could also download the pool online and give it a look.



QRZ has all the tests, given and graded for you to let you know how your
rote memorization effort to pass the test is coming along:

http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl

Larry
--
..

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

Larry wrote in
:

Michael Coslo wrote in
:

You could also download the pool online and give it a look.



QRZ has all the tests, given and graded for you to let you know how
your rote memorization effort to pass the test is coming along:

http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl

Good link Larry.

Of course, if a person rote memorizes the tests, they might be in for
an umpleasant surprise when the take the real ones - certainly the Extra.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

On Mar 28, 6:09�pm, Mike Coslo wrote:
Larry wrote :

Michael Coslo wrote in
:

You could also download the pool online and give it a look.

QRZ has all the tests, given and graded for you to let you know how
your rote memorization effort to pass the test is coming along:

http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl

* * * * Good link Larry.

* * * * Of course, if a person rote memorizes the tests, they might be in for
an umpleasant surprise when the take the real ones - certainly the Extra.

Another test practice site is

www.aa9pw.com/radio/java/index.html

By the way, I found no surprises on test element 4 in regard to
memorizing the regulations, especially the bandplans. :-)

73, Len AF6AY

Upgrade to Extra using 2001 License Manual?
 

Mike Coslo wrote in
36:

Of course, if a person rote memorizes the tests, they might
be in for
an umpleasant surprise when the take the real ones - certainly the
Extra.


Is there going to be a followup explanation detailing WHY?

Larry
--
..