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Being paid while you operate
In studying for my Extra, using the ARRL Extra Class License Manual (2001), I came across an interesting note... "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer." Does this mean that if I'm sitting at my desk at work, doing a job that doesn't have anything to do with radio, and during break time I pick up my HT and call someone on the local repeater, that I'm violating FCC rules? That would be a bizarre interpretation, and not anything I've ever seen before in 42 years as a ham... |
Being paid while you operate
"Rick" wrote...
In studying for my Extra, using the ARRL Extra Class License Manual (2001), I came across an interesting note... "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer." Does this mean that if I'm sitting at my desk at work, doing a job that doesn't have anything to do with radio, and during break time I pick up my HT and call someone on the local repeater, that I'm violating FCC rules? That would be a bizarre interpretation, and not anything I've ever seen before in 42 years as a ham... And I participate during lunch-hour in a weekly net of our employer-sanctioned (and supported) emergency amateur radio services organization. Virtually all of us are sallaried (not hourly) employees, and technically "on the clock". I always assumed it was a prohibition on using amateur radio for transport of commercial traffic. |
Being paid while you operate
On Mar 18, 4:17?pm, Rick wrote:
Does this mean that if I'm sitting at my desk at work, doing a job that doesn't have anything to do with radio, and during break time I pick up my HT and call someone on the local repeater, that I'm violating FCC rules? IMHO, no. The key elements a 1) The job doesn't have anything to do with radio 2) You're on break time, not work time The fact that you are being paid during break time isn't the determining factor. If you get a paid vacation, you can still operate while on vacation even though your employer is paying you then. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:17:10 CST, Rick wrote:
Does this mean that if I'm sitting at my desk at work, doing a job that doesn't have anything to do with radio, and during break time I pick up my HT and call someone on the local repeater, that I'm violating FCC rules? That would be a bizarre interpretation, and not anything I've ever seen before in 42 years as a ham... If you are doing this "on your own time" (which includes break time) and does not have anything to do with the business of the employer or the job that you are hired for or work that you are assigned to do, then there's no violation involved. This is no different from reading a book or balancing your checkbook on break time. Of course if your employer objects, you may find yourself with lots of time to work ham radio!! -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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Phil Kane wrote in
: 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel What about ARRL employees who are paid for amateur related work? Case in point - An ARRL tech is being paid to test, in the ARRL Lab, a new 2 meter radio for publication in the magazine companies August issue. He's being paid to write the article and operate the radio, right? Of course, how does a magazine company with paid subscribers get a ham license in the first place (W1AW)?? Larry -- Message for Comcrap Internet Customers: http://tinyurl.com/3ayl9c Unlimited Service my ass.....(d^:) .. |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in news:12vr4sjscil3u40
@corp.supernews.com: And I participate during lunch-hour in a weekly net of our employer-sanctioned (and supported) emergency amateur radio services organization. Virtually all of us are sallaried (not hourly) employees, and technically "on the clock". I always assumed it was a prohibition on using amateur radio for transport of commercial traffic. Hospital workers and emergency service personnel are all being "paid" to operate ham radio after they get their licenses, as are NOAA Weather Bureau bureaucrats at WX4CHS, at the Charleston Weather Bureau Office. None that I know of have been busted. Larry W4CSC -- Message for Comcrap Internet Customers: http://tinyurl.com/3ayl9c Unlimited Service my ass.....(d^:) .. |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:37:25 CST, Larry wrote:
What about ARRL employees who are paid for amateur related work? There is a specific exemption in the Rules for operators at W1AW. Case in point - An ARRL tech is being paid to test, in the ARRL Lab, a new 2 meter radio for publication in the magazine companies August issue. He's being paid to write the article and operate the radio, right? How do you know that s/he is not operating into a dummy load? g The answer is in the content of the communication. If the content is on the business of the employer, it is improper. If it's just general hamming, especially if it's under the W1AW "umbrella" then it's not improper. It's no different from me borrowing a specific piece of equipment to evaluate and then writing a magazine article on it for which I am being paid Of course, how does a magazine company with paid subscribers get a ham license in the first place (W1AW)?? The ARRL is a membership organization. The licensee of W1AW is the ARRL Headquarters Operators Club, a bona fide amateur radio club. They do not operate the station to further the publishing arm of the ARRL. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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From the AE Question pool:
E1B05 (C) [97.113(c)] When may an amateur operator accept compensation for serving as the control operator of an amateur station used in a classroom? A. Only when the amateur operator does not accept pay during periods of time when the amateur station is used B. Only when the classroom is in a correctional institution C. Only when the amateur operator is paid as an incident of a teaching position during periods of time when the station is used by that teacher as a part of classroom instruction at an educational institution D. Only when the station is restricted to making contacts with similar stations at other educational institutions Answer is "C" 0n Mar 18, 10:19 pm, Phil Kane wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:37:25 CST, Larry wrote: What about ARRL employees who are paid for amateur related work? There is a specific exemption in the Rules for operators at W1AW. Case in point - An ARRL tech is being paid to test, in the ARRL Lab, a new 2 meter radio for publication in the magazine companies August issue. He's being paid to write the article and operate the radio, right? How do you know that s/he is not operating into a dummy load? g The answer is in the content of the communication. If the content is on the business of the employer, it is improper. If it's just general hamming, especially if it's under the W1AW "umbrella" then it's not improper. It's no different from me borrowing a specific piece of equipment to evaluate and then writing a magazine article on it for which I am being paid Of course, how does a magazine company with paid subscribers get a ham license in the first place (W1AW)?? The ARRL is a membership organization. The licensee of W1AW is the ARRL Headquarters Operators Club, a bona fide amateur radio club. They do not operate the station to further the publishing arm of the ARRL. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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On Mar 19, 12:21�pm, wrote:
From the AE Question pool: E1B05 (C) [97.113(c)] When may an amateur operator accept compensation for serving as the control operator of an amateur station used in a classroom? A. *Only when the amateur operator does not accept pay during periods of time when the amateur station is used B. *Only when the classroom is in a correctional institution C. *Only when the amateur operator is paid as an incident of a teaching position during periods of time when the station is used by that teacher as a part of classroom instruction at an educational institution D. *Only when the station is restricted to making contacts with similar stations at other educational institutions Answer is "C" The key part of that is in the question. It asks about accepting "compensation for serving as the control operator of an amateur station" In other words, acting as the control operator has to be part of the job itself, not an incidental activity. If a ham gets a paid lunch or break period and operates an amateur station during that time, s/he isn't being paid to do so. It's not part of the job. Being paid *while* operating is not the same as being paid *for* operating. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Being paid while you operate
Being a Taxi driver and being dispatched by amateur radio = No - No!
Being a Taxi driver and visiting with friends on the local 2-meter while waiting for a fa No Problem. Being an engineer for BNSF and talking to the conductor about the condition of the train with 2-meter ham radio's = NO-NO! Being a engineer/conductor and talking to the automobile driving down the highway about the train on 2 meter simplex: No problem. Space Shuttle (ISS) astronauts use Sarex to talk to school children all the time, no problem, but if NASA used the amateur radio equipment to control the flight then there would be a problem. If you use the ham equipment IN/FOR your job is the problem. If you use the ham equipment while at your job is only a problem if it interfeers with your job performance. Simple logic rules. Russ "Rick" wrote in message ... In studying for my Extra, using the ARRL Extra Class License Manual (2001), I came across an interesting note... "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer." Does this mean that if I'm sitting at my desk at work, doing a job that doesn't have anything to do with radio, and during break time I pick up my HT and call someone on the local repeater, that I'm violating FCC rules? That would be a bizarre interpretation, and not anything I've ever seen before in 42 years as a ham... |
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"Russ" wrote in message
et Being a Taxi driver and being dispatched by amateur radio = No - No! Being a Taxi driver and visiting with friends on the local 2-meter while waiting for a fa No Problem. An interesting topic, but IMHO there are two distinct things he [1] being paid *to* operate and [2] being paid *while* operating. [1] is obviously a no-no but I see no problem with [2] - it is no different from what I can see to doing anything else personal while at work, i.e. reading a newspaper while having a cup of coffee in a spare few minutes or chatting to a colleague. Unfortunately, my office itself is very well shielded from any local repeaters, but if I'm out and about around the site I'll often carry a handheld around with me. 73 Ivor G6URP |
Being paid while you operate
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 -0400, Russ wrote:
Being a Taxi driver and being dispatched by amateur radio = No - No! Being a Taxi driver and visiting with friends on the local 2-meter while waiting for a fa No Problem. Right. I agree with that. And it's been my interpretation of the rules for 44 years. But, now along comes the ARRL and, in their Extra Class License Manual, says "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer.". Where do you suppose they came up with that goofball interpretation of the rule? |
Being paid while you operate
"Rick" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 -0400, Russ wrote: Being a Taxi driver and being dispatched by amateur radio = No - No! Being a Taxi driver and visiting with friends on the local 2-meter while waiting for a fa No Problem. Right. I agree with that. And it's been my interpretation of the rules for 44 years. But, now along comes the ARRL and, in their Extra Class License Manual, says "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer.". Where do you suppose they came up with that goofball interpretation of the rule? Sounds like it would be a good idea to ask Riley Hollingsworth for clarification? Keith G Malcolm VK1ZKM 22 Mar 2007 |
Being paid while you operate
On Mar 20, 11:57�am, Rick wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 -0400, Russ wrote: Being a Taxi driver and being dispatched by amateur radio = No - No! Being a Taxi driver and visiting with friends on the local 2-meter while waiting for a fa *No Problem. Right. *I agree with that. *And it's been my interpretation of the rules for 44 years. But, now along comes the ARRL and, in their Extra Class License Manual, says "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. *In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer.". Where do you suppose they came up with that goofball interpretation of the rule? I suggest checking out the NCVEC and their Extra question pool. See www.ncvec.org. 73, Len |
Being paid while you operate
On Mar 20, 2:57�pm, Rick wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 -0400, Russ wrote: Being a Taxi driver and being dispatched by amateur radio = No - No! Being a Taxi driver and visiting with friends on the local 2-meter while waiting for a fa *No Problem. Right. *I agree with that. *And it's been my interpretation of the rules for 44 years. But, now along comes the ARRL and, in their Extra Class License Manual, says "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. * And that's true. Except in certain specific cases, an Amateur Radio operator cannot be paid to operate an Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer.". That's true as well - in *most* cases. Not *all* cases. Where do you suppose they came up with that goofball interpretation of the rule? It's not a "goofball interpretation" at all. It's just common sense. In *most* cases you cannot legally operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer. The exceptions a - Teachers and other educators that use Amateur Radio as part of the curriculum (that's in the rules) - Break times, layover/rest times and meal periods, when the employee is being paid but is not expected to be working. - Space Shuttle and other space operations (generally considered to be a combination of the above two exceptions) - In an emergency situation if all other means of communication are not available. (This applies to just about any radio available - but it better be a real emergency!) Just common sense. btw, someone gave some examples, such as the BNSF locomotive engineer and the taxi driver. It should be noted that while *FCC* Part 97 rules may permit the operations described, that does not make them 100% OK. Many employers have rules prohibiting their employees' on-duty use of radios other than those provided by the employer. In some cases this includes personal cell phones. The idea is to eliminate distractions, and the possibility of interference between radio systems. Of course this does not apply in an emergency if the normal means of communication aren't available, and the employer's rules usually allow for that. It doesn't do amateur radio any good if an employee comes under disciplinary action or is fired for operating an amateur radio station on the job. Particularly if that operation compromises safety or getting the job done. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Being paid while you operate
"Larry" wrote in message ... Hospital workers and emergency service personnel are all being "paid" to operate ham radio after they get their licenses, as are NOAA Weather Bureau bureaucrats at WX4CHS, at the Charleston Weather Bureau Office. None that I know of have been busted. Larry W4CSC -- This was explicitely addressed in the October Omnibus Report & Order: 52. Mr. DiGennaro also requests that we amend Section 97.113 our Rules, which prohibits "[c]ommunications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised," by amateur stations,227 to clarify that amateur licensees who, by virtue of their employment, are directly involved in facilitating relief and recovery in times of disaster are not prohibited from effecting emergency communications using amateur radio.228 We conclude that the proposed rule change is not necessary, however, because Section 97.113 does not prohibit amateur radio operators who are emergency personnel engaged in disaster relief from using the amateur service bands while in a paid duty status.229 These individuals are not receiving compensation for transmitting amateur service communications; rather, they are receiving compensation for services related to their disaster relief duties and in their capacities as emergency personnel.230 - Dennis Brothers, N1DB |
Being paid while you operate
wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 20, 2:57�pm, Rick wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 -0400, Russ wrote: And that's true. Except in certain specific cases, an Amateur Radio operator cannot be paid to operate an Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer.". That's true as well - in *most* cases. Not *all* cases. Where do you suppose they came up with that goofball interpretation of the rule? It's not a "goofball interpretation" at all. It's just common sense. In *most* cases you cannot legally operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer. The exceptions a - Teachers and other educators that use Amateur Radio as part of the curriculum (that's in the rules) - Break times, layover/rest times and meal periods, when the employee is being paid but is not expected to be working. - Space Shuttle and other space operations (generally considered to be a combination of the above two exceptions) - In an emergency situation if all other means of communication are not available. (This applies to just about any radio available - but it better be a real emergency!) Ok... I'm on a salary, I get paid for a week of work but I take a day off to go fishin'... I talk on my 2mtr and by your interpertation, I'm illegal because I'm using my 2mtr while I'm getting paid. I think a little common sense goes a long ways here. Now, the rule was meant that amateurs can not and will not use their radio for conducting business. That's the illustration of the taxi driver or the railroad engineer. They can't conduct actual business over amateur radio while at work or when off. They can, however, if within the rules and regulations of their particular company, talk to friends about non-business related chit-chat. I have worked for an automotive dealer for 30 years. I catch myself giving automotive advise (service/parts type of advise) and wonder if I'm violating the business rule. I've had many private discussions with VE's and many others, and we figured out that as long as I don't ask them to come down and purchase a part/have the service done/ buy a car from me then I'm ok giving advise on how to fix the problem or what to look for or what to buy or how to do it, etc. Now, while at work, and I see a storm comming, I'll make my report. If I'm takin' a break and go outside and talk to a friend on a machine for 5~10 minutes, I'm not breaking any FCC rules, nor am I breaking any company rules about radio communications. |
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"Russ" wrote in message .. . wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 20, 2:57�pm, Rick wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 -0400, Russ wrote: And that's true. Except in certain specific cases, an Amateur Radio operator cannot be paid to operate an Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer.". That's true as well - in *most* cases. Not *all* cases. Where do you suppose they came up with that goofball interpretation of the rule? It's not a "goofball interpretation" at all. It's just common sense. In *most* cases you cannot legally operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer. The exceptions a - Teachers and other educators that use Amateur Radio as part of the curriculum (that's in the rules) - Break times, layover/rest times and meal periods, when the employee is being paid but is not expected to be working. - Space Shuttle and other space operations (generally considered to be a combination of the above two exceptions) - In an emergency situation if all other means of communication are not available. (This applies to just about any radio available - but it better be a real emergency!) Ok... I'm on a salary, I get paid for a week of work but I take a day off to go fishin'... I talk on my 2mtr and by your interpertation, I'm illegal because I'm using my 2mtr while I'm getting paid. No, the "Break times....." comment applies to the day off situation. You are getting paid but you are not expected to be working. And you are not getting paid to specifically operate that radio. Dee, N8UZE |
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 EDT, "Russ" wrote:
Being a engineer/conductor and talking to the automobile driving down the highway about the train on 2 meter simplex: No problem. YES problem. The FRA and most railroads' rule books prohibit train operating crews from using any communication system not related to train operation or safety (reporting incidents) while on duty. Whether crewmenbers adhere to that or not is up to the individual, his union representative, and the powers-that-be if caught. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:57:45 EDT, Rick wrote:
But, now along comes the ARRL and, in their Extra Class License Manual, says "There is a general rule that you may not be paid to operate your Amateur Radio station. In most cases this also means that you cannot operate an Amateur Radio station during the time that you are being paid by your employer.". Where do you suppose they came up with that goofball interpretation of the rule? I think that it's a very clear statement. "In most cases" means just what it says. There are exceptions. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:38:36 EDT, "who knows"
wrote: Sounds like it would be a good idea to ask Riley Hollingsworth for clarification? Don't bother -- he clarified it many years ago, in public. This question comes up every so often because folks don't remember the answer. This should be made clear in the first ten minutes of any ham radio training course at any level. No personal offenses intended....g -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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"Phil Kane" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:38:36 EDT, "who knows" wrote: Sounds like it would be a good idea to ask Riley Hollingsworth for clarification? Don't bother -- he clarified it many years ago, in public. This question comes up every so often because folks don't remember the answer. This should be made clear in the first ten minutes of any ham radio training course at any level. No personal offenses intended....g -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net Since you have the knowledge, why not share it? |
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"Phil Kane" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:22 EDT, "Russ" wrote: Being a engineer/conductor and talking to the automobile driving down the highway about the train on 2 meter simplex: No problem. YES problem. The FRA and most railroads' rule books prohibit train operating crews from using any communication system not related to train operation or safety (reporting incidents) while on duty. Whether crewmenbers adhere to that or not is up to the individual, his union representative, and the powers-that-be if caught. -- It was an illustration---an analogy, not meant to be Gospel! Not everything should be taken in a 100% wooden, literal sense! Gee, Russ KW5KW 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:29:26 -0400, Phil Kane wrote:
I think that it's a very clear statement. "In most cases" means just what it says. There are exceptions. Like... just about all of them. I have a hard time coming up with many instances where it's any of the FCC's business whether I talk on the radio on company time, as long as I'm not being paid to talk on the radio. It's between me and my employer, and the FCC rarely has any jurisdiction or enforcement power over company rules and policies. |
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:18:40 EDT, "Newby" wrote:
Don't bother -- he clarified it many years ago, in public. This question comes up every so often because folks don't remember the answer. This should be made clear in the first ten minutes of any ham radio training course at any level. No personal offenses intended....g Since you have the knowledge, why not share it? "The knowledge" was posted by me and others yesterday. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:58:42 EDT, "who_me?" wrote:
It was an illustration---an analogy, not meant to be Gospel! Not everything should be taken in a 100% wooden, literal sense! It is well known that I am a communications attorney whose practice involves dealing with the FCC and other regulatory agencies on compliance matters. One takes things in a 100% wooden sense or one does not succeed in that business. And as I tell my clients - and a lot of them are hams - if you try to get away with something and get caught, how will you explain it? The :dude" defense - some other dude did it - doesn't go in regulatory matters. I prefer to keep my clients from getting into trouble by giving them the straight scoop, so to speak. As far as railroading goes, it is well known that that's my avocation and I know the operating rules almost as well as I know the FCC rules. If you think that the FCC rules are complex, you ought to see the Federal Railroad Administration rules! -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:38:10 EDT, Rick wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:29:26 -0400, Phil Kane wrote: I think that it's a very clear statement. "In most cases" means just what it says. There are exceptions. Like... just about all of them. I have a hard time coming up with many instances where it's any of the FCC's business whether I talk on the radio on company time, as long as I'm not being paid to talk on the radio. Because of international treaties upon which the US is a signatory, the Amateur Radio Service has specific restrictions on what communications are prohibited and which are allowed. You, I, and the FCC all agree that it's not the FCC's business WHEN you transmit, it's WHAT you are transmitting that counts. The bottom line is you can't use amateur radio for the benefit of the employer or if you are being paid to operate, with the exception under which specific organizations (the ARRL is only one of them) can pay operators for operating. It's between me and my employer, and the FCC rarely has any jurisdiction or enforcement power over company rules and policies. In general you are right, as long as the company rules do not require you to, or give you permission to, violate communication laws. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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"Phil Kane" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:58:42 EDT, "who_me?" wrote: It was an illustration---an analogy, not meant to be Gospel! Not everything should be taken in a 100% wooden, literal sense! It is well known that I am a communications attorney whose practice involves dealing with the FCC and other regulatory agencies on compliance matters. One takes things in a 100% wooden sense or one does not succeed in that business. I could discuss this for a while here and there, but a cement truck driver could talk on 2m while driving his truck BUT said driver could not use his radio to talk to the dispatcher about where to deliver his load. Like I said it's an analogy--an illustration. I'm glad you're on our side, can you help with self-defense if I accidently print and loose my other license here in TX? Russ - KW5KW And as I tell my clients - and a lot of them are hams - if you try to get away with something and get caught, how will you explain it? The :dude" defense - some other dude did it - doesn't go in regulatory matters. I prefer to keep my clients from getting into trouble by giving them the straight scoop, so to speak. As far as railroading goes, it is well known that that's my avocation and I know the operating rules almost as well as I know the FCC rules. If you think that the FCC rules are complex, you ought to see the Federal Railroad Administration rules! -- CHL laws are complex as well! Russ 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:59:04 EDT, "Russ" wrote:
I'm glad you're on our side, can you help with self-defense if I accidently print and loose my other license here in TX? Don't know what you mean by "print and loose my other license here in TX". Does it relate to ham radio? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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