On May 8, 2:38 am, AF6AY wrote:


I didn't know the term "honey-do ham" existed until seeing in
these newsgroups.


It was a term usually used in a pejorative manner to imply that the
licensees (often married couples) didn't get their licenses for the
'right' reasons and weren't 'real' Amateurs. My spouse got her
license in that era (early 90's) and even though she is a General and
we collaborate in many 'real' amateur activies like contesting (see
our two Divisional multi-op Championships in SS CW Iin 03 and 06 at
K0RT), one of our local 'influential' hams recently commented that she
got into Amateur Radio 'as one of those honey-do hams'.

73, de Hans, K0HB

On May 9, 10:30�pm, K�HB wrote:

It was a term usually used in a pejorative manner to imply that the
licensees (often married couples) didn't get their licenses for the
'right' reasons and weren't 'real' Amateurs.

Then it's a regional thing, because here in EPA, and in other areas
where I've heard the term used, I never heard
it used in a pejorative manner. It was simply a descriptive,
similar to "DX'er" or "contester" or "ragchewer".

My spouse got her
license in that era (early 90's) and even though she is a General and
we collaborate in many 'real' amateur activies like contesting (see
our two Divisional multi-op Championships in SS CW Iin 03 and 06 at
K0RT), one of our local 'influential' hams recently commented that she
got into Amateur Radio 'as one of those honey-do hams'.

Well, people say all sorts of things, true or not.....

Besides, it's common for amateurs to get their license for
one reason or set of reasons but then branch out into other
areas.

Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word "handle"....


73 de Jim, N2EY

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Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word
"handle"....

Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I
have a *name*, ok..?!

73 Ivor G6URP

On May 10, 12:26 pm, "Ivor Jones" wrote:



Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I
have a *name*, ok..?!


Must be an individual preference thing. I've been licensed almost 50
years, and have been saying "The handle here is Hans" all that time.
Learned it from my elders way-back-when and old habits are hard to
break I guess.

73, de Hans, K0HB

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On May 10, 12:26 pm, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:



Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for
opening a door. I have a *name*, ok..?!


Must be an individual preference thing. I've been
licensed almost 50 years, and have been saying "The
handle here is Hans" all that time. Learned it from my
elders way-back-when and old habits are hard to break I
guess.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Ok Hans, I can understand that, but just out of curiosity, *why* do you
say "handle" instead of "name" - it's not at all obvious to me.

Perhaps you don't know, tell me..! For my part, I don't know why it
irritates me, it just does..! But then I don't know why for a lot of
things..! Someone once asked me why I always put two dots before an
exclamation or a question mark, I don't know why, I just do ;-)


73 Ivor G6URP

On May 10, 3:37 pm, "Ivor Jones" wrote:


Ok Hans, I can understand that, but just out of curiosity, *why* do you
say "handle" instead of "name" - it's not at all obvious to me.


Probably mostly from ingrained habit. When I got into amateur radio
as a teen it was what "the oldtimers" did, and newcomers wanting
nothing more than to be perceived as "insiders", adopt the mannerisms
of those they heard on the air.

Many vocations and avocations have a "lingo" which, while it may
strike outsiders as "quaint" or "affected", identifies you to your
peers as "one of them".

73, de Hans

(For another example, why do we say "73" on phone, when it was
originally meant as Morse shorthand for some long flowery phrase like
"All the very best wishes, fair winds, following seas, and I hope you
get lucky with the fair maid who is the object of your humble but
earnest desire.")

On May 10, 9:41�am, K�HB wrote:
On May 10, 3:37 pm, "Ivor Jones" wrote:

Ok Hans, I can understand that, but just out of curiosity, *why* do you
say "handle" instead of "name" - it's not at all obvious to me.

Probably mostly from ingrained habit. When I got into amateur radio
as a teen it was what "the oldtimers" did, and newcomers wanting
nothing more than to be perceived as "insiders", adopt the mannerisms
of those they heard on the air.

Many vocations and avocations have a "lingo" which, while it may
strike outsiders as "quaint" or "affected", identifies you to your
peers as "one of them".

(For another example, why do we say "73" on phone, when it was
originally meant as Morse shorthand for some long flowery phrase like
"All the very best wishes, fair winds, following seas, and I hope you
get lucky with the fair maid who is the object of your humble but
earnest desire.")

Why is the (supposed) laugh on voice expressed as "HI HI."
And in a flat voice at that? :-) I've heard that all over HF
along with flat, emotionless voice expressions. Do radio
waves blank out emotions? :-)

Why do some "sign" messages with the "de" before a call sign?
The message originator on newsgroups is already identified in
the message header as to whom it is from. Questions,
questions. :-)

73, Len AF6AY

KØHB wrote:
On May 10, 3:37 pm, "Ivor Jones" wrote:

Ok Hans, I can understand that, but just out of curiosity, *why* do you
say "handle" instead of "name" - it's not at all obvious to me.


Probably mostly from ingrained habit. When I got into amateur radio
as a teen it was what "the oldtimers" did, and newcomers wanting
nothing more than to be perceived as "insiders", adopt the mannerisms
of those they heard on the air.

Many vocations and avocations have a "lingo" which, while it may
strike outsiders as "quaint" or "affected", identifies you to your
peers as "one of them".

73, de Hans

(For another example, why do we say "73" on phone, when it was
originally meant as Morse shorthand for some long flowery phrase like
"All the very best wishes, fair winds, following seas, and I hope you
get lucky with the fair maid who is the object of your humble but
earnest desire.")

If I might respectfully offer a little perspective for us all....

Not everyone speaks as we do. There are different customs in different
areas.

I for one cringe every time that I hear someone speaking "HI HI" on
phone. To my way of thinking, if something is funny, I will laugh.

However, I realize that my personal dislike of that particular phrase
is MY problem, not the person who is saying the words that irritate me.

So unless the other person's words are obscene or suggestive, I'll just
avoid imposing my opinions on them.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

On May 10, 7:37�am, "Ivor Jones" wrote:
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On May 10, 12:26 pm, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for
opening a door. I have a *name*, ok..?!

Must be an individual preference thing. I've been
licensed almost 50 years, and have been saying "The
handle here is Hans" all that time. Learned it from my
elders way-back-when and old habits are hard to break I
guess.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Ok Hans, I can understand that, but just out of curiosity, *why* do you
say "handle" instead of "name" - it's not at all obvious to me.

Handle: Some etymologists trace that back to the Old West
of the USA prior to 1900 as "cowboy talk" or "rancher talk."
Some of you easterners just don't appreciate the old west. :-)

Perhaps you don't know, tell me..! For my part, I don't know why it
irritates me, it just does..! But then I don't know why for a lot of
things..! Someone once asked me why I always put two dots before an
exclamation or a question mark, I don't know why, I just do ;-)

I once had a wonderful sports car, a 1953 Austin-Healey. Naturally
the trunk (as we say it) was called a "boot." The hood (as we say
it, particularly the hinged cover over the engine) was called a
"bonnet" in the owner's manual. In old motor cars the engine
compartment did indeed resemble a pre-1900 woman's bonnet.
By the end of WWII cars were a lot more streamlined and the
"bonnet" didn't even look like a woman's hat. :-)

BTW, that Healey's aluminum body made a great mobile
ground plane for my CB. [just to keep this on radio subjects]

73, Len AF6AY



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On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:26:49 -0400, Ivor Jones wrote:

Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word
"handle"....

Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I
have a *name*, ok..?!

Good morning, Ivor.

What in the world is the benefit of getting irritated over something as
innocuous as that?

I have to say that if that's the worst thing I have to get irritated
about, I am a very lucky man indeed.