You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

an old friend wrote:
wrote:
Rick Frazier wrote:
You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now. Why
don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under?

--Rick AH7H

Slow Code wrote:

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life, but you should learn
it anyway just in case. Ham radio is like a spare tire, when you need it
you hope it's not flat. CW is like the air in the tire. I know I don't
ever want to hear someone say: "Why couldn't you get help, I though hams
were supposed to know morse code."

Sc

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

"Slow Code" is a relic of the 1930s, mentally over 70 years in the
past.
indeed it is interesting that Slow code seems stuck in era before he
was born do I have to apologize to Sceintology nuts

Mark, you don't have to apologize to anyone.

If Slow Code isn't a throwback to 7 decades ago, he is one example
of a thoroughly brainwashed morseman imprinted with the Beliefs
of 70 years ago...and all the mythos of "code saves lives" that
spread like kudzu after the Titanic disaster of 1912.

NoCode Techs should have to pass the CW test in a year or get booted.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

" wrote in
oups.com:


Rick Frazier wrote:
You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now.
Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from
under?

At this point, even a relative moron should get the point that there
are a bunch of people that really don't give a damn about CW. That you
do is not the point, but your continual posts about it are the point.
Therefore, your continual posts lead me to believe you should be
seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change
and new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be
****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish
to push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic
is spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for
arguments.

Now, to provide a response to your query: It is extremely unlikely
that with all the means we have for contact in the case of an
emergency, that CW would be the only way to make contact, particularly
if you live in anything near an urban evironment in mainland US.
First and foremost, there has to be someone else that will respond to
you, and given the things going on with the hobby lately, I doubt that
CW will be the safety net you'd like to believe it is.

For myself, I have HF and VHF in both the house and vehicle, and have
the VHF radios all programmed with all of the local police and fire
frequencies. In a true emergency, I wouldn't lose a moment's time
worrying about whether it was legal or not before I keyed up on a
public service/fire/police frequency if it meant saving somebody.
Would CW help? Not very damn likely, as first I'd have to key up the
HF rig, get to someone that could relay, pass a message, hope like hell
that they actually did call the proper authority, (and were believed),
and so on.
You can bet I'll get attention right away if I key up on any of the
public service frequencies, and they damn well will respond, if for no
other reason than to find me. If that's what it takes, so be it, they
can fight it out in court later, and I'd get so much media attention
they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

--Rick AH7H

Slow Code wrote:

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life, but you should
learn it anyway just in case. Ham radio is like a spare tire, when
you need it you hope it's not flat. CW is like the air in the tire.
I know I don't ever want to hear someone say: "Why couldn't you get
help, I though hams were supposed to know morse code."

Sc

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.



And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

Sc

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.



And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

trolling right along

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm


" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:

You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now.
Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from
under?

At this point, even a relative moron should get the point that there
are a bunch of people that really don't give a damn about CW. That you
do is not the point, but your continual posts about it are the point.
Therefore, your continual posts lead me to believe you should be
seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change
and new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be
****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish
to push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic
is spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for
arguments.

Nobody responding to your CQs, "Slow?" Is that why you are so
up-tight and angry in this forum?

Now, to provide a response to your query: It is extremely unlikely
that with all the means we have for contact in the case of an
emergency, that CW would be the only way to make contact, particularly
if you live in anything near an urban evironment in mainland US.
First and foremost, there has to be someone else that will respond to
you, and given the things going on with the hobby lately, I doubt that
CW will be the safety net you'd like to believe it is.

For myself, I have HF and VHF in both the house and vehicle, and have
the VHF radios all programmed with all of the local police and fire
frequencies. In a true emergency, I wouldn't lose a moment's time
worrying about whether it was legal or not before I keyed up on a
public service/fire/police frequency if it meant saving somebody.
Would CW help? Not very damn likely, as first I'd have to key up the
HF rig, get to someone that could relay, pass a message, hope like hell
that they actually did call the proper authority, (and were believed),
and so on.
You can bet I'll get attention right away if I key up on any of the
public service frequencies, and they damn well will respond, if for no
other reason than to find me. If that's what it takes, so be it, they
can fight it out in court later, and I'd get so much media attention
they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

You haven't answered that from a licensed amateur Extra, "Slow."
Why haven't you? Is it possible you don't know of anything in
radio except what the ARRL has spoon-fed you?


I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

"Slow," you've earned that "plonk" many times over.

--Rick AH7H

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here. You can't discuss anything
reasonable-like, only cuss at those who disagree with you. :-)

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

I don't know any "Dr Death," "Slow," nor do I operate on
"11 meters."

Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Beep, beep

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:
From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm


" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:

seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?
becuase the answer is that there is nobody on we wants to "talk' to

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change
and new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be
****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish
to push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic
is spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for
arguments.

Nobody responding to your CQs, "Slow?" Is that why you are so
up-tight and angry in this forum?

and still holding forlorn hope the FCC will somehow make people see the
light and use CW

the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by listening
to the ARRL what 50 years ago

they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

You haven't answered that from a licensed amateur Extra, "Slow."
Why haven't you? Is it possible you don't know of anything in
radio except what the ARRL has spoon-fed you?
perhaps not even that


I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

"Slow," you've earned that "plonk" many times over.

--Rick AH7H

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here. You can't discuss anything
reasonable-like, only cuss at those who disagree with you. :-)

yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he is
just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the brain
child of the ARRL

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

I don't know any "Dr Death," "Slow," nor do I operate on
"11 meters."

Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

amasing how they keep resorting to threats and orders

Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Beep, beep

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am


wrote:
From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm
" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:
seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?

becuase the answer is that there is nobody on we wants to "talk' to

Or maybe nobody wants to talk to him... :-)


the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by listening
to the ARRL what 50 years ago

I don't think the ARRL "betrayed the ARS". I believe that they
sincerely thought that morsemanship was THEN a topmost skill
of US radio amtaeurs. Fifty years ago would be 1956 and not
long after the passing of ARRL co-founder (and president-for-
life) Hiram Percy Maxim. "T.O.M." used his editorial pages
to promote morsemanship in the 1920s and 1930s.

The original core group of the ARRL were go-getters and smart
enough to realize that, to make enough money as an organization
that came out on top, PUBLICATIONS were the key to survival.
ARRL was first a very small group of local New Englanders,
formed 5 years after the first (and still surviving) national
organization, the Radio Club of America. There were lots of
"national club" competitors in the 1920s but those eventually
dropped out. RCA still exists but is not much concerned with
amateur radio.

Prior to the Internet going public in 1991, the only major
presence for US amateur radio in DC was the legal firm on
retainer from the ARRL. ARRL kept promoting themselves as
"representative" allegedly for the amateur to the FCC but
suspiciously more like a "filter" of amateurs' opinions.
That changed dramatically once the FCC got their website
going and ramped up to take Comments electronically. The
ARRL had to retain a second firm in DC for lobbying.

The evidence is an observation of the number and kind of
Comments on 98-143 "restructuring" versus Comments on
all those Petitions and last year's NPRM concerning code
testing elimination. The pro-code-test advocates' Comments
were straight out of the League hymn book about morsemanship
with a few adding in nebulous advantages for "homeland
security" necessities! [those Petitions began after 11 Sep
01]

What is more telling about the League's stubbornness on their
pro-code-test stance is that the IARU took a firm stand on
changing the ITU-R amateur radio regulations compulsory
(by administrations) morse testing for any license having
below-30-MHz privileges...the IARU wanted it OPTIONAL by all
administrations (at their discretion) a good year BEFORE
WRC-03. The ARRL wanted to keep the compulsory regulation.
After WRC-03 the League took a neutral stance, neither for
nor against code testing in the USA. It's still a "ARRL
versus the World" situation.


Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here. You can't discuss anything
reasonable-like, only cuss at those who disagree with you. :-)

yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he is
just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the brain
child of the ARRL

It should be abundantly clear that "Incentive Licensing" was
never about "advancing" in amateur radio beyond getting TITLE,
RAND, and STATUS. That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship. The
morsemen won it. Never mind that radio technology was already
far advanced from the 1930s' style of amateur radio and that
morse code was falling by the wayside in every other radio
service, the League still (stubbornly) held to the belief that
all amateurs "should" be able to be morse skilled...even four
decades after the 1930s.

The League lobbied for and got the "vanity license" system so
that olde-tymers could get their 1x2 and 2x1 super-special
guru-status callsigns. Even more status symbolism. Combining
"vanity" calls and "incentive licensing" there was a perfect
setup for all who managed to get both to crow and holler they
WERE BETTER than all others. Good fellowship went out the
window...rank, status, title RULED.

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

I don't know any "Dr Death," "Slow," nor do I operate on
"11 meters."

Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

amasing how they keep resorting to threats and orders

That's all they have left in this new millennium, Mark.

Some of them, such as Blow Code and Hambrecht still think
they are "better than others" in all aspects, not just
morsemanship. They LIKE that. So much so that they are
in great personal fear of losing that very precious rank,
status, title, and privilege that MIGHT happen if the
code test is eliminated. They will LOSE their "better
than you" rationalization. Internally the sky will have
fallen on their self-perceptions.

Personally, I think radio and electronics is totally
fascinating. So much so that I made a career choice of
it while studying for an entirely different sort of
work. Professional work, not some amateur dabbling,
yet I liked to make electronic things in my home
workshop. Things other than work-related tasks. It
is FUN, personally rewarding, not "work."

I got into Big Time HF comms 53 1/2 years ago and have
seen what modes DO work well and on a 24/7 basis on
long-haul circuits that HAD to be kept working. Years
later some KID is trying to "moralize" me into "working
on morsemanship?" He (or she) can go shove it
somewhere...until he (or she) can prove they've done
more than I in radio communications...which they have
NOT done yet in here.

Once, a very long time ago, I thought that becoming a
"ham" was a cool deal. That was before the commsats,
before technology had fully gotten with the semi-
conductor era, before the wonderful way we can get
over most of the world via PCs and the Internet. Why
IS it that some have to be a grand champion of the
1930s over seven decades later? What are THEY trying
to prove? I could care less about 1930s technology
and the "radio standards" of then. I live in the NOW.
If some dumb**** wants to moralize about "working" and
"investing" he (or she) can go get some flagellation
and suffer themselves for their own "cause." I'm not
about to join him (or her) in such moralistic self-
abuse/mis-use. If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:
From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am


wrote:
From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm
" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:
seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?

becuase the answer is that there is nobody on we wants to "talk' to

Or maybe nobody wants to talk to him... :-)
that too


the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by listening
to the ARRL what 50 years ago

I don't think the ARRL "betrayed the ARS". I believe that they
sincerely thought that morsemanship was THEN a topmost skill
of US radio amtaeurs. Fifty years ago would be 1956 and not
long after the passing of ARRL co-founder (and president-for-
life) Hiram Percy Maxim. "T.O.M." used his editorial pages
to promote morsemanship in the 1920s and 1930s.

I think they betrayed it wether they meant to or not by as you will
sowing the seeds for the battles that were to follow

indeed in looking only back at Maxim I submit they betaryed even him

The original core group of the ARRL were go-getters and smart
enough to realize that, to make enough money as an organization
that came out on top, PUBLICATIONS were the key to survival.
ARRL was first a very small group of local New Englanders,
formed 5 years after the first (and still surviving) national
organization, the Radio Club of America. There were lots of
"national club" competitors in the 1920s but those eventually
dropped out. RCA still exists but is not much concerned with
amateur radio.

Prior to the Internet going public in 1991, the only major
presence for US amateur radio in DC was the legal firm on
retainer from the ARRL. ARRL kept promoting themselves as
"representative" allegedly for the amateur to the FCC but
suspiciously more like a "filter" of amateurs' opinions.
That changed dramatically once the FCC got their website
going and ramped up to take Comments electronically. The
ARRL had to retain a second firm in DC for lobbying.

The evidence is an observation of the number and kind of
Comments on 98-143 "restructuring" versus Comments on
all those Petitions and last year's NPRM concerning code
testing elimination. The pro-code-test advocates' Comments
were straight out of the League hymn book about morsemanship
with a few adding in nebulous advantages for "homeland
security" necessities! [those Petitions began after 11 Sep
01]

What is more telling about the League's stubbornness on their
pro-code-test stance is that the IARU took a firm stand on
changing the ITU-R amateur radio regulations compulsory
(by administrations) morse testing for any license having
below-30-MHz privileges...the IARU wanted it OPTIONAL by all
administrations (at their discretion) a good year BEFORE
WRC-03. The ARRL wanted to keep the compulsory regulation.
After WRC-03 the League took a neutral stance, neither for
nor against code testing in the USA. It's still a "ARRL
versus the World" situation.


Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here. You can't discuss anything
reasonable-like, only cuss at those who disagree with you. :-)

yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he is
just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the brain
child of the ARRL

It should be abundantly clear that "Incentive Licensing" was
never about "advancing" in amateur radio beyond getting TITLE,
RAND, and STATUS. That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship. The
morsemen won it. Never mind that radio technology was already
far advanced from the 1930s' style of amateur radio and that
morse code was falling by the wayside in every other radio
service, the League still (stubbornly) held to the belief that
all amateurs "should" be able to be morse skilled...even four
decades after the 1930s.

and therby betraying the fundental core of the service, a change that
needs to removed altogether if possible hence my fovoring a oe 2 class
license system with the prevedlges indentical to all the lclasses that
exist (with modern radio I reconize it may be needed to have some sort
of up or out license with 10 to do it becuase of the volume of material
but the classes should be equal in preveledge and the class should not
be a publicly accsable (except on an ARS wide) basis

The League lobbied for and got the "vanity license" system so
that olde-tymers could get their 1x2 and 2x1 super-special
guru-status callsigns. Even more status symbolism. Combining
"vanity" calls and "incentive licensing" there was a perfect
setup for all who managed to get both to crow and holler they
WERE BETTER than all others. Good fellowship went out the
window...rank, status, title RULED.

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

I don't know any "Dr Death," "Slow," nor do I operate on
"11 meters."

Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

amasing how they keep resorting to threats and orders

That's all they have left in this new millennium, Mark.

Some of them, such as Blow Code and Hambrecht still think
they are "better than others" in all aspects, not just
morsemanship. They LIKE that. So much so that they are
in great personal fear of losing that very precious rank,
status, title, and privilege that MIGHT happen if the
code test is eliminated. They will LOSE their "better
than you" rationalization. Internally the sky will have
fallen on their self-perceptions.

Personally, I think radio and electronics is totally
fascinating. So much so that I made a career choice of
it while studying for an entirely different sort of
work. Professional work, not some amateur dabbling,
yet I liked to make electronic things in my home
workshop. Things other than work-related tasks. It
is FUN, personally rewarding, not "work."

I got into Big Time HF comms 53 1/2 years ago and have
seen what modes DO work well and on a 24/7 basis on
long-haul circuits that HAD to be kept working. Years
later some KID is trying to "moralize" me into "working
on morsemanship?" He (or she) can go shove it
somewhere...until he (or she) can prove they've done
more than I in radio communications...which they have
NOT done yet in here.

Once, a very long time ago, I thought that becoming a
"ham" was a cool deal. That was before the commsats,
before technology had fully gotten with the semi-
conductor era, before the wonderful way we can get
over most of the world via PCs and the Internet. Why
IS it that some have to be a grand champion of the
1930s over seven decades later? What are THEY trying
to prove? I could care less about 1930s technology
and the "radio standards" of then. I live in the NOW.
If some dumb**** wants to moralize about "working" and
"investing" he (or she) can go get some flagellation
and suffer themselves for their own "cause." I'm not
about to join him (or her) in such moralistic self-
abuse/mis-use. If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

and inccreasingly cold and unfeeling and failing to fufill the debt
they owe to those that came before them

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:
wrote:

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here.


Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Beep, beep

Gee, Len....do you think posting that way will cause people to change
their minds and agree with you?
psoibly but not likely

Do you think FCC would be convinced by such arguments?

no but then Fcc was not being addressed

Is that sort of posting your idea of how a "professional" behaves?

it certainly was the proper professional response

caling a jerk a kerk is simply being honest

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:

Perhaps they are simply holding up a mirror.....

Gee, Len, it's been more than three years since the ITU treaty changed.
Some countries have eliminated Morse Code testing, some haven't, and at
least one (Canada) has worked out a unique solution to the debate.
Meanwhile the USA rules on the subject haven't changed since 2000.

Are you frustrated because your will has not become law...yet?

Jim, welcome back. I guess Coslo's BBS was a little too quiet?

billy beeper

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:
wrote:

Perhaps they are simply holding up a mirror.....

Gee, Len, it's been more than three years since the ITU treaty changed.
Some countries have eliminated Morse Code testing, some haven't, and at
least one (Canada) has worked out a unique solution to the debate.
Meanwhile the USA rules on the subject haven't changed since 2000.

Are you frustrated because your will has not become law...yet?

Jim, welcome back. I guess Coslo's BBS was a little too quiet?
did it ever get of the virual ground?

billy beeper

You'll probably never use CW to save a life, if you're too lazy to learn it.
 

"an old friend" wrote in
oups.com:


Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.



And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

trolling right along


Are you puting any effort into learning CW Mark or are you just being lazy
waiting for things to get dumbed down some more?

SC

You'll probably never use CW to save a life, if you're too stupid to learn it.
 

" wrote in
oups.com:


Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Beep, beep





Great news Len,

your proctologist called, they found your head.

Sc

You'll probably never use CW to save a life,
 

Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:


your proctologist called, they found your head.

Slow Code:kook on parade

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

Dave Heil wrote:

bad night for DX?

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: "an old friend" on Sun, Sep 3 2006 2:41 pm


wrote:
From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am
wrote:
From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm
" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:

seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?

becuase the answer is that there is nobody on we wants to "talk' to

Or maybe nobody wants to talk to him... :-)

that too

:-)

the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by listening
to the ARRL what 50 years ago

I don't think the ARRL "betrayed the ARS". I believe that they
sincerely thought that morsemanship was THEN a topmost skill
of US radio amtaeurs. Fifty years ago would be 1956 and not
long after the passing of ARRL co-founder (and president-for-
life) Hiram Percy Maxim. "T.O.M." used his editorial pages
to promote morsemanship in the 1920s and 1930s.

I think they betrayed it wether they meant to or not by as you will
sowing the seeds for the battles that were to follow

indeed in looking only back at Maxim I submit they betaryed even him

Careful, careful, Mark...Sister Nun of the Above, now the
Mother SUPERIOR is BACK, ruler in hand, ready to spank the
knuckles of anyone who DARES say anything negative about
the blessed, sacred ARRL!

I was literally going back 50 years to 1956 and remembering
how both the electronics hobby and the (much, much bigger)
electronics industry was doing...preparing to move to
California and the aerospace industries that year. Frankly,
the ARRL wasn't keeping up with the electronics industry
other than keeping QST afloat with advertising revenue.
Since they were largely unaware (from their publications)
what the (then) long-haul radio communications were doing,
they couldn't really decide which way to go for amateurs.
Their decisions were based largely on ignorance, especially
that of SSB. The commercial-military folks on HF were already
USING SSB on HF and had been doing it for over two decades by
1956...yet the ARRL wanted amateurs to believe that "amateur
radio 'pioneered' SSB." :-) Bull****.


yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he is
just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the brain
child of the ARRL

It should be abundantly clear that "Incentive Licensing" was
never about "advancing" in amateur radio beyond getting TITLE,
RAND, and STATUS. That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship. The
morsemen won it. Never mind that radio technology was already
far advanced from the 1930s' style of amateur radio and that
morse code was falling by the wayside in every other radio
service, the League still (stubbornly) held to the belief that
all amateurs "should" be able to be morse skilled...even four
decades after the 1930s.

and therby betraying the fundental core of the service, a change that
needs to removed altogether if possible hence my fovoring a oe 2 class
license system with the prevedlges indentical to all the lclasses that
exist (with modern radio I reconize it may be needed to have some sort
of up or out license with 10 to do it becuase of the volume of material
but the classes should be equal in preveledge and the class should not
be a publicly accsable (except on an ARS wide) basis

Well, it's a subject which is damn clear to outside observers
but the Believers are about to strike a blow for the Church of
St. Hiram. Mother SIPERIOR is back in her habit of
one-liner sentences thinking she can slay the dragons (of her
mind) which defile the sanctity of the Newington folks who
"know what is good for amateur radio!" :-)

Prior to 1990 there were already FIVE different license classes
in US amateur radio. The no-code Technician class made it SIX.
A decade later the FCC chopped that in half. Rightly so in my
estimation. It had gotten literally Byzantine in structure with
the privileged bandplans and who could use what mode. It was
worse than the commercial-professional operator licenses. The
Restructuring was sorely needed for the avocational activities.

The worst blow to the rank-status-title morsemen was cutting
the code test rate down to a single, low one, well below the
exhaulted, royal rate of 20 WPM that they overused for
bragging rights before 1998. :-) Those extra super special
morsemen lost NO PRIVILEGES ON THE BANDS but the sky fell in
on their bragging rights. Boo-hoo, poor morsemen. :-)


Once, a very long time ago, I thought that becoming a
"ham" was a cool deal. That was before the commsats,
before technology had fully gotten with the semi-
conductor era, before the wonderful way we can get
over most of the world via PCs and the Internet. Why
IS it that some have to be a grand champion of the
1930s over seven decades later? What are THEY trying
to prove? I could care less about 1930s technology
and the "radio standards" of then. I live in the NOW.
If some dumb**** wants to moralize about "working" and
"investing" he (or she) can go get some flagellation
and suffer themselves for their own "cause." I'm not
about to join him (or her) in such moralistic self-
abuse/mis-use. If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

and inccreasingly cold and unfeeling and failing to fufill the debt
they owe to those that came before them

I disagree with you a bit...nobody "owes" anything
other than bill payments, Mark.

The rabid amateur morsemen are just full of themselves.
They have lost their ability to RULE by that singular
skill, are now worried that they might lose all their
rank, title, status, and privileges when the code test
is finally eliminated. Few of them seem to have much
for themselves beyond that bragging right. shrug

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 5:10 pm


wrote:

Jim, welcome back. I guess Coslo's BBS was a little too quiet?

billy beeper

Ahem...Coslo's attempt at an amateur radio "forum" hasn't had
a new posting since 20 Feb 06. Seven months of quiet.

Or maybe all the new posts got tangled with his "to the edge
of space" balloon experiment and floated off? :-)

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 1:49 pm

[Mother Superior strides out of the cloister, knuckle-spank
ruler carried like a baton, the Book of Common Maxims
under her arm...]

wrote:
From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am

the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by listening
to the ARRL what 50 years ago

I don't think the ARRL "betrayed the ARS". I believe that they
sincerely thought that morsemanship was THEN a topmost skill
of US radio amtaeurs.

The FCC thought so too - well into the 1970s.

Pure and simple bull****, Mother. Prior to the
1990s the FCC was pressured constantly by just one
amateur organization - the ARRL. Since amateur radio
has NOT been a priority item on the FCC's tasks, the
FCC just let the ARRL have what the ARRL wanted.
After all, the ARRL claimed it "spoke for the
amateur" even though their membership was a minority
of never more than a quarter of all licensees.

Fifty years ago would be 1956 and not
long after the passing of ARRL co-founder (and president-for-
life) Hiram Percy Maxim.

Maxim died in 1936. 1956 was twenty years later.

Twenty years is a "long time" to you? Poor baby.

Is this more Ruler-Spank, Mother?

"T.O.M." used his editorial pages
to promote morsemanship in the 1920s and 1930s.

He also promoted many other things on those pages, such as technical
progress, operating skills, public service, and the observance of
government regulations.

Was he a Saint to you, Mother Superior?

The original core group of the ARRL were go-getters and smart
enough to realize that, to make enough money as an organization
that came out on top, PUBLICATIONS were the key to survival.

Publications were one way to support the organization.

The ONLY way to support so many services that non-
members could do themselves. Three years ago the reported
profit of the ARRL to the IRS was 12 MILLION dollars. That
kind of cash inflow does NOT come solely from membership.


ARRL was first a very small group of local New Englanders,
formed 5 years after the first (and still surviving) national
organization, the Radio Club of America.

But it didn't stay that way for long. By the time of the 1917 shutdown
- just three years after ARRL was founded - it was a national
organization.

You are in error, Mother, but further argument on that is
useless. The League is your shepherd, you shall not want.

There were lots of
"national club" competitors in the 1920s but those eventually
dropped out.

Name some.

Go read Thomas H. White's online Radio History from the
beginning to about 1927. White is a much better historian
than yourself.

RCA still exists but is not much concerned with
amateur radio.

It is a very small organization whose main activities seem to be
honorary and historical.

In other words, you aren't a member!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prior to the Internet going public in 1991, the only major
presence for US amateur radio in DC was the legal firm on
retainer from the ARRL.

There was nothing to stop others from doing the same thing. Nor from
contacting FCC directly.

Do YOU have a legal firm on retainer, Mother? Or do you
have a dental retainer, hoping to "take a bite" out of
your perceived anti-morse "crime?"

ARRL kept promoting themselves as
"representative" allegedly for the amateur to the FCC but
suspiciously more like a "filter" of amateurs' opinions.

Why are you suspicious, Len?

ARRL is NOT a government body. They are a private
organization accountable to no one but themselves,
yet they ACT like they are some exhaulted "representative"
of ALL radio amateurs. [ARRL membership hasn't gotten
more than a quarter of all amateur radio licensees in
a long time...if ever]

ARRL represents ONLY the membership and that mambership
is a MINORITY of all amateur radio licensees in the USA.

Anyone could petition the FCC directly,
and many did, long before the Internet and ECFS.

"Anyone" could but extremely few did. Spend some
time in the Reading Room in DC and come back with
your results.


Back in the 1960s, when the changes known as "incentive licensing" were
being debated, FCC received over 6000 comments from individuals and
groups. There were at least 10 proposals besides the ARRL's. Those
other proposals were taken seriously enough by FCC to get RM numbers.

Did you actually count all those yourself? :-)

Tsk, that was before your time, Mother, before you
were Sister Nun of the Above. You are just
paraphrasing another on that. Don't get your habit
in a bind "reporting things" you weren't a part of.

What is more telling about the League's stubbornness on their
pro-code-test stance is that the IARU took a firm stand on
changing the ITU-R amateur radio regulations compulsory
(by administrations) morse testing for any license having
below-30-MHz privileges...the IARU wanted it OPTIONAL by all
administrations (at their discretion) a good year BEFORE
WRC-03. The ARRL wanted to keep the compulsory regulation.

Not true! Not true at all, Len.

The hell it isn't. Take off your cowl and LOOK.

The fact is that way back in 2000 or 2001, the ARRL BoD changed their
policy wrt S25.5. They decided to neither support nor oppose changes to
ITU-R S25.5.

More errors. That didn't change until 2003.

Given the strong support from many other member countries to change
S25.5, the ARRL's no-opinion policy pretty much guaranteed there would
be majority support to change S25.5.

A NO-OPINION position is a face-saving trick. If the vote
went one way, the ARRL could claim it "supported" it by "not
opposing it." If the vote went the other way, the League
was "not responsible" for it. It's a trick used in politics
for years in many other endeavors.


In ARRL's petition to FCC, they proposed eliminating the Morse Code
test for General but retaining it for Extra.

Mother, the ARRL's "Petition" (a rather rambling document)
is public view. Do NOT tell me what it "was about."
Anyone can read it and judge for themselves. You are
NOT needed as some "interpreter."

The majority of individuals commenting on the NPRM wanted the test
eliminated for General.

The majority of individuals commenting on the NPRM wanted the test
retained for Extra.

You read each and every one of them, Mother? I don't think
so. For your sins say 5000 Hail Hirams.

The two majorities are not composed of all the same individuals, but
they *are* majorities.

ARRL is a MINORITY "representative." Face the cold, hard fact.


That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

Nope. That's not what it was about at all, Len.

Bull****. It is CLEAR to anyone NOT a Believer
in the sanctity and nobility of the ARRL.

Do try to get your history straight.

It is MUCH "straighter" than yours, Mother. I have MORE of
history of ALL radio than you after you've been spoon-fed
information dribbled out to you by the League.

The fact is that the "incentive licensing" changes were an attempt to
*return* to a system something like that which existed before February
1953. The complexity of the final result was due in large part to it
being pieced together from the numerous non-ARRL proposals mentioned
earlier.

If that is true (and it is not) then there were FIVE classes
of amateur radio licenses prior to "incentive licensing." :-)

Are you taking stage magician lessons? You've FAILED.

btw, the 1951 restructuring that gave us the license classes with names
rather than letters was not primarily driven by ARRL.

Sweetums, do NOT go into your smokescreening by diversion
routine again. That's SO transparent.

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship.

How so?

What part of my paragraph is unclear to you? Do you need
it translated to Latin? What?


How many other radio services used Morse Code in 1966, Len?

You tell us. That's not part of the thread but one of
your attempts at diversion into another subject. Tsk.

Was there a shortage of trained radiotelegraphers during the Vietnam
War?

Oh, oh, Mother Superior strips off her habit to
reveal - ta-da! - JIMMY NOSERVE, expert on military
anything because he READ about it yet never served his
country in the military!

Jimmy Noserve should inform the group of his fantastic
wartime experience using "CW" with the AN/PRC-25 and
the AN/PRC-77!!!

The League lobbied for and got the "vanity license" system so
that olde-tymers could get their 1x2 and 2x1 super-special
guru-status callsigns. Even more status symbolism.

Should accomplishment not be rewarded?

VANITY is an "accomplishment?!?" Review your Deadly
Sins, sweetums.

Combining
"vanity" calls and "incentive licensing" there was a perfect
setup for all who managed to get both to crow and holler they
WERE BETTER than all others. Good fellowship went out the
window...rank, status, title RULED.

btw, Len, did you ever manage to get your Extra out of the box? It's
been more than six and a half years now...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOHOHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mother, I didn't lay on the floor in the sign of the ARRL
diamond to take a lifetime VOW in the Church of St. Hiram.

BWAAAAAAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I changed my mind, Jimmy Noserve. Several times
before 6 1/2 years ago. Human beings with free will
are allowed to do that. Really. I see NO point in
re-creating "skills" of what was long ago and not
used in the radio world today...other than by
some amateurs play-acting "pioneering" long-dead
technology. If you don't like that opinion, TS for
you.

If I want to volunteer in emergency communications I
will go to the California ACS. Ham license (from FCC
or FDA) is not needed. I can do several things, all
volunteer, which do NOT need manual telegraphy skills.
I don't need to do that since I know that the present
City-County-State emergency communications are run
well by regular staff, proven by REAL emergencies.


Do you have a need to look down on everyone?

All that are shorter than I...at least to see them clearly
wearing bifocals. :-)

Why are you looking down on professionals, Jimmy
Noserve? Aren't you one of them? Or did you lose
your job (whatever that was someplace)?


How will any currently licensed amateur lose anything if the Morse Code
test is eliminated?

BRAGGING RIGHTS, sweetums. SELF-PERCEPTION as a mighty
"radio operator" (circa 1930s). Loss of the rabid
olde-tyme morsemen's ability to LOOK DOWN ON ALL WHO
DON'T CARE FOR MORSEMANSHIP.

Are you BLIND? Why can't you understand what I wrote?
Do you need Remedial English or what?

YOU do all of the above, desperately trying to disguise
it by attempting humiliation of all those who disagree
with you.


So much so that I made a career choice of
it while studying for an entirely different sort of
work.

Funded by the taxpayers, too.

Not beyond half a year at Art Center School of Design
(the old campus on 3rd Street, not the new one in
Pasadena). Changing majors made me inelligible for
G. I. Bill funding according to regulations at the time,
according to the VA. "Call the VA," Jimmy.
"Call the VA!" BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter. I was employed in electronics in aerospace,
good job. Self-learning allowed me to rise in the
ranks to have design responsibility well before getting
that sheepskin.

But, in 1957 YOU were NOT a "taxpayer," Jimmy.
I DID serve my country in the US Army. You NEVER
served in any military branch of the United States,
yet you are so very judgemental and SUPERIOR to
those of us who did serve. You claim to be "expert"
in things before your time, especially grand details
of military action and realpolitic...just from
READING about them.


I got into Big Time HF comms 53 1/2 years ago and have
seen what modes DO work well and on a 24/7 basis on
long-haul circuits that HAD to be kept working.

Using equipment supplied and paid for by others. With a team of several
hundred people trained to do the job.

"Several hundred people?!?" WTF, Jimmie Noserve, do
you now insist on a TO&E breakdown? Incredible.

We've already HAD this discussion in here, Jimmy. ADA
transmitters had less than a hundred personnel on four
operating teams keeping the circuits running 24/7 on HF.
You need details? Go he

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

describes what I did, what others did, where and what it
was. 6 MB file size, takes about 19 minutes download over
dial-up.

YOU NEVER did anything close to that, Jimmie Noserve.
You are envious and trying to mask that envy. Be nice.

That doesn't make you more qualified to judge what amateurs do -
self-funded and largely self-trained.

Sorry, sweetums, you are WRONG when you go into that
song-and-dance. Talk to some of the ex-USN Chiefs about
being "self-trained" on equipment "self-funded." :-) Not
only that, but they got three hots and a cot plus pay.

Are you so ignorant that you think the US military
communications operates like ham radio?!?!? Incredible.
Well, you've NEVER done that, so I have to cut you some
slack. [MARS is NOT an example of regular military
communications]

I'm NOT judgemental about "what amateurs do," sweetie,
I'm talking about GETTING INTO amateur radio, the
FEDERAL REGULATIONS pertaining to GETTING a license.
Unless there was a Revolution last night, the US
government and the US Constitution still allows us
CITIZENS to petition our government. Regardless of
what you think/believe, amateurs do NOT "rule" US
amateur radio nor have the final say-so on it. Really.


Is youth somehow wrong, Len?

"Youth is wasted on the young." :-) Quote of someone...:-)

I enjoyed mine despite your making fun of it. :-)

YOU aren't young anymore, Jimmy. Face the fact. Time
doesn't stand still for any of us. Living in the PAST
as you love to do is your own delusion.


What if someone older than you, with more radio experience, told you
that you should work on your morse code skills? How would you react?

I'd tell him flat out:

1. "**** off!"

2. "Get some mental help, dude, you are twisted."

Jimmie Noserve, you've NEVER had any military experience
yet you keep on as if you did. Why is that? Arrogance?
Presumption of being "better" than those who served? Why?

Why do you believe YOU are so SUPERIOR that YOU can tell
others what to do?


Then why do you tell us so much about your past?

That's where you LOVE to live, Jimmie. I'm just trying
to make you feel at-ease. :-)

You LOVE play-acting like you are "pioneering radio."
Sorry, Jimmy, that was done long ago. By others. NOT
you.


If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

Perhaps they are simply holding up a mirror.....

Hardly. :-) What YOU don't like is MY mirror being held
up to show YOU YOUR reflection. BOOO! :-)


Are you frustrated because your will has not become law...yet?

Not really. Flipping others' paradigms takes a LONG time.
Especially those who've been thoroughly brainwashed by
you-know-what organization. Why are YOU so edgy and
combative about no-code-test-advocates' postings? You
continue to attack bits and pieces of such postings well
out of context, trying to divert attention from what we say.
Yet you completely CONDONE identifiable garbage-mouths
because of their amateur licenses requiring code testing.
Looks to me like you are in FEAR of losing your bragging
rights, possibly your beloved ARRL when the Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society fades away...replaced by new
generations that don't care for your antiquated ideals.

Put the habit back on, Mother SUPERIOR. Go thee and say
those 5000 Hail Hirams, then pray for your soul's
redemption.

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 1:57 pm

wrote:

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here.

Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Gee, Len....do you think posting that way will cause people to change
their minds and agree with you?

Oh, oh, here comes Mother Superior again, waving
her ruler, a weapon of morale destruction! :-)

Do you think FCC would be convinced by such arguments?

Mother, I'm NOT posting "to the FCC" here...just to a
mixed group that includes rabid morsewomen such as
yourself.

Is that sort of posting your idea of how a "professional" behaves?

Tsk, tsk, Mother, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do."
In here the AMATEURS hang out. Ergo, one must adopt
language these AMATEURS us. If that means offending
you, TS.

You don't like that? Go back to the cloister. Pray for
redemption of your soul after being among those you
perceive as evil no-coders. :-)

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 1:57 pm

wrote:

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here.

Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Gee, Len....do you think posting that way will cause people to change
their minds and agree with you?

Oh, oh, here comes Mother Superior again, waving
her ruler, a weapon of morale destruction! :-)

Do you think FCC would be convinced by such arguments?

Mother, I'm NOT posting "to the FCC" here...just to a
mixed group that includes rabid morsewomen such as
yourself.

Is that sort of posting your idea of how a "professional" behaves?

Tsk, tsk, Mother, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do."
In here the AMATEURS hang out. Ergo, one must adopt
language these AMATEURS us. If that means offending
you, TS.

You don't like that? Go back to the cloister. Pray for
redemption of your soul after being among those you
perceive as evil no-coders. :-)

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

bad night for DX?

"Mr. Ambassador" had a baaaaaad century.... :-)

Just one more example why US Foreign Policy is not as good
as it could be, courtesy of the State Department. :-)

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

bad night for DX?

"Mr. Ambassador" had a baaaaaad century.... :-)

Just one more example why US Foreign Policy is not as good
as it could be, courtesy of the State Department. :-)
well it could be worse Robeson could be working for the guys at state

might have moved up 911 a good decade

You'll probably never use CW to save a life if you're too dumb to learn it.
 

" wrote in
oups.com:

From: "an old friend" on Sun, Sep 3 2006 2:41 pm


wrote:
From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am
wrote:
From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm
" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:

seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how
about you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you
on the bands right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?

becuase the answer is that there is nobody on we wants to "talk' to

Or maybe nobody wants to talk to him... :-)

that too

:-)

the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by
listening to the ARRL what 50 years ago

I don't think the ARRL "betrayed the ARS". I believe that they
sincerely thought that morsemanship was THEN a topmost skill
of US radio amtaeurs. Fifty years ago would be 1956 and not
long after the passing of ARRL co-founder (and president-for-
life) Hiram Percy Maxim. "T.O.M." used his editorial pages
to promote morsemanship in the 1920s and 1930s.

I think they betrayed it wether they meant to or not by as you will
sowing the seeds for the battles that were to follow

indeed in looking only back at Maxim I submit they betaryed even him

Careful, careful, Mark...Sister Nun of the Above, now the
Mother SUPERIOR is BACK, ruler in hand, ready to spank the
knuckles of anyone who DARES say anything negative about
the blessed, sacred ARRL!

I was literally going back 50 years to 1956 and remembering
how both the electronics hobby and the (much, much bigger)
electronics industry was doing...preparing to move to
California and the aerospace industries that year. Frankly,
the ARRL wasn't keeping up with the electronics industry
other than keeping QST afloat with advertising revenue.
Since they were largely unaware (from their publications)
what the (then) long-haul radio communications were doing,
they couldn't really decide which way to go for amateurs.
Their decisions were based largely on ignorance, especially
that of SSB. The commercial-military folks on HF were already
USING SSB on HF and had been doing it for over two decades by
1956...yet the ARRL wanted amateurs to believe that "amateur
radio 'pioneered' SSB." :-) Bull****.


yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he
is just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the
brain child of the ARRL

It should be abundantly clear that "Incentive Licensing" was
never about "advancing" in amateur radio beyond getting TITLE,
RAND, and STATUS. That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship. The
morsemen won it. Never mind that radio technology was already
far advanced from the 1930s' style of amateur radio and that
morse code was falling by the wayside in every other radio
service, the League still (stubbornly) held to the belief that
all amateurs "should" be able to be morse skilled...even four
decades after the 1930s.

and therby betraying the fundental core of the service, a change that
needs to removed altogether if possible hence my fovoring a oe 2 class
license system with the prevedlges indentical to all the lclasses that
exist (with modern radio I reconize it may be needed to have some sort
of up or out license with 10 to do it becuase of the volume of material
but the classes should be equal in preveledge and the class should not
be a publicly accsable (except on an ARS wide) basis

Well, it's a subject which is damn clear to outside observers
but the Believers are about to strike a blow for the Church of
St. Hiram. Mother SIPERIOR is back in her habit of
one-liner sentences thinking she can slay the dragons (of her
mind) which defile the sanctity of the Newington folks who
"know what is good for amateur radio!" :-)

Prior to 1990 there were already FIVE different license classes
in US amateur radio. The no-code Technician class made it SIX.
A decade later the FCC chopped that in half. Rightly so in my
estimation. It had gotten literally Byzantine in structure with
the privileged bandplans and who could use what mode. It was
worse than the commercial-professional operator licenses. The
Restructuring was sorely needed for the avocational activities.

The worst blow to the rank-status-title morsemen was cutting
the code test rate down to a single, low one, well below the
exhaulted, royal rate of 20 WPM that they overused for
bragging rights before 1998. :-) Those extra super special
morsemen lost NO PRIVILEGES ON THE BANDS but the sky fell in
on their bragging rights. Boo-hoo, poor morsemen. :-)


Once, a very long time ago, I thought that becoming a
"ham" was a cool deal. That was before the commsats,
before technology had fully gotten with the semi-
conductor era, before the wonderful way we can get
over most of the world via PCs and the Internet. Why
IS it that some have to be a grand champion of the
1930s over seven decades later? What are THEY trying
to prove? I could care less about 1930s technology
and the "radio standards" of then. I live in the NOW.
If some dumb**** wants to moralize about "working" and
"investing" he (or she) can go get some flagellation
and suffer themselves for their own "cause." I'm not
about to join him (or her) in such moralistic self-
abuse/mis-use. If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

and inccreasingly cold and unfeeling and failing to fufill the debt
they owe to those that came before them

I disagree with you a bit...nobody "owes" anything
other than bill payments, Mark.

The rabid amateur morsemen are just full of themselves.
They have lost their ability to RULE by that singular
skill, are now worried that they might lose all their
rank, title, status, and privileges when the code test
is finally eliminated. Few of them seem to have much
for themselves beyond that bragging right. shrug





I think we got k00k material here.

You'll probably never use CW to save a life, if you're too stupid to learn it.
 

"an old friend" wrote in
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Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
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your proctologist called, they found your head.

Slow Code:kook on parade



You got cut & paste down pretty good Mark. Now if you could only get
amateur radio down, you could be a real ham and not a dumbed down one.

SC

You'll probably want to use CW if you ever have to save Len Anderson.
 

" wrote in
oups.com:

From: "an old friend" on Sun, Sep 3 2006 2:41 pm


wrote:
From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am
wrote:
From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm
" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:

seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how
about you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you
on the bands right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?

becuase the answer is that there is nobody on we wants to "talk' to

Or maybe nobody wants to talk to him... :-)

that too

:-)

the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by
listening to the ARRL what 50 years ago

I don't think the ARRL "betrayed the ARS". I believe that they
sincerely thought that morsemanship was THEN a topmost skill
of US radio amtaeurs. Fifty years ago would be 1956 and not
long after the passing of ARRL co-founder (and president-for-
life) Hiram Percy Maxim. "T.O.M." used his editorial pages
to promote morsemanship in the 1920s and 1930s.

I think they betrayed it wether they meant to or not by as you will
sowing the seeds for the battles that were to follow

indeed in looking only back at Maxim I submit they betaryed even him

Careful, careful, Mark...Sister Nun of the Above, now the
Mother SUPERIOR is BACK, ruler in hand, ready to spank the
knuckles of anyone who DARES say anything negative about
the blessed, sacred ARRL!

I was literally going back 50 years to 1956 and remembering
how both the electronics hobby and the (much, much bigger)
electronics industry was doing...preparing to move to
California and the aerospace industries that year. Frankly,
the ARRL wasn't keeping up with the electronics industry
other than keeping QST afloat with advertising revenue.
Since they were largely unaware (from their publications)
what the (then) long-haul radio communications were doing,
they couldn't really decide which way to go for amateurs.
Their decisions were based largely on ignorance, especially
that of SSB. The commercial-military folks on HF were already
USING SSB on HF and had been doing it for over two decades by
1956...yet the ARRL wanted amateurs to believe that "amateur
radio 'pioneered' SSB." :-) Bull****.


yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he
is just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the
brain child of the ARRL

It should be abundantly clear that "Incentive Licensing" was
never about "advancing" in amateur radio beyond getting TITLE,
RAND, and STATUS. That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship. The
morsemen won it. Never mind that radio technology was already
far advanced from the 1930s' style of amateur radio and that
morse code was falling by the wayside in every other radio
service, the League still (stubbornly) held to the belief that
all amateurs "should" be able to be morse skilled...even four
decades after the 1930s.

and therby betraying the fundental core of the service, a change that
needs to removed altogether if possible hence my fovoring a oe 2 class
license system with the prevedlges indentical to all the lclasses that
exist (with modern radio I reconize it may be needed to have some sort
of up or out license with 10 to do it becuase of the volume of material
but the classes should be equal in preveledge and the class should not
be a publicly accsable (except on an ARS wide) basis

Well, it's a subject which is damn clear to outside observers
but the Believers are about to strike a blow for the Church of
St. Hiram. Mother SIPERIOR is back in her habit of
one-liner sentences thinking she can slay the dragons (of her
mind) which defile the sanctity of the Newington folks who
"know what is good for amateur radio!" :-)

Prior to 1990 there were already FIVE different license classes
in US amateur radio. The no-code Technician class made it SIX.
A decade later the FCC chopped that in half. Rightly so in my
estimation. It had gotten literally Byzantine in structure with
the privileged bandplans and who could use what mode. It was
worse than the commercial-professional operator licenses. The
Restructuring was sorely needed for the avocational activities.

The worst blow to the rank-status-title morsemen was cutting
the code test rate down to a single, low one, well below the
exhaulted, royal rate of 20 WPM that they overused for
bragging rights before 1998. :-) Those extra super special
morsemen lost NO PRIVILEGES ON THE BANDS but the sky fell in
on their bragging rights. Boo-hoo, poor morsemen. :-)


Once, a very long time ago, I thought that becoming a
"ham" was a cool deal. That was before the commsats,
before technology had fully gotten with the semi-
conductor era, before the wonderful way we can get
over most of the world via PCs and the Internet. Why
IS it that some have to be a grand champion of the
1930s over seven decades later? What are THEY trying
to prove? I could care less about 1930s technology
and the "radio standards" of then. I live in the NOW.
If some dumb**** wants to moralize about "working" and
"investing" he (or she) can go get some flagellation
and suffer themselves for their own "cause." I'm not
about to join him (or her) in such moralistic self-
abuse/mis-use. If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

and inccreasingly cold and unfeeling and failing to fufill the debt
they owe to those that came before them

I disagree with you a bit...nobody "owes" anything
other than bill payments, Mark.

The rabid amateur morsemen are just full of themselves.
They have lost their ability to RULE by that singular
skill, are now worried that they might lose all their
rank, title, status, and privileges when the code test
is finally eliminated. Few of them seem to have much
for themselves beyond that bragging right. shrug




Ping real Hams,

You'll want to use CW if you ever have to save len Anderson, that
should help him change his brain cell regarding the value of Morse.

Thanks

73
Sc

slow code:kook on parade
 

Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

From: "an old friend" on Sun, Sep 3 2006 2:41 pm

slow code:kook on parade

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

slow code:kook on parade
 

an old friend wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

From: "an old friend" on Sun, Sep 3 2006 2:41 pm

slow code:kook on parade

Morse has no value in todays society...

And I agree "slow code:kook on parade"

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am

ARRL was first a very small group of local New Englanders,
formed 5 years after the first (and still surviving) national
organization, the Radio Club of America.

But it didn't stay that way for long. By the time of the 1917 shutdown
- just three years after ARRL was founded - it was a national
organization.

One of the cofounders, Charles H. Stewart, 3ZS, lived right here in
Radnor, PA. Hardly "local" in those days.

Heck, Jim, you're going to ruin one of Leonard's rants.

I'm just pointing out some plain, simple facts.

Stewart, as I recall, succeeded HPM.

You are confusing Charles H. Stewart with Kenneth B. Warner. It was KBW
who succeeded HPM.

KBW was a major part of ARRL from the early days until his death in the
late 1940s. IMHO he was as important in the 1930s and 40s as Maxim was
in the teens and 20s. KBW is just not as well known.

There were lots of
"national club" competitors in the 1920s but those eventually
dropped out.

Name some.

RCA still exists but is not much concerned with
amateur radio.

It is a very small organization whose main activities seem to be
honorary and historical.

Why are those guys always living in the past? ;-o

Well, there you have it.

Prior to the Internet going public in 1991, the only major
presence for US amateur radio in DC was the legal firm on
retainer from the ARRL.

There was nothing to stop others from doing the same thing. Nor from
contacting FCC directly.

ARRL kept promoting themselves as
"representative" allegedly for the amateur to the FCC but
suspiciously more like a "filter" of amateurs' opinions.

Why are you suspicious, Len? Anyone could petition the FCC directly,
and many did, long before the Internet and ECFS.

Len is suspicious of the League's elections of Directors too. Len is
suspicious of a number of things in which he isn't involved.

Have you forgotten the profile already?

That changed dramatically once the FCC got their website
going and ramped up to take Comments electronically. The
ARRL had to retain a second firm in DC for lobbying.

All ECFS did was to make it easier to petition and comment.

Correct. It also saved a stamp. In the case of a number of Len's
comments, it saved him lots of stamps.

It should be remembered that, back in 1998, Len couldn't get ECFS to
work for him and had to mail his comments to FCC. Meanwhile, thousands
of us whom he denigrates had no problem filing comments online, even
then.

The evidence is an observation of the number and kind of
Comments on 98-143 "restructuring" versus Comments on
all those Petitions and last year's NPRM concerning code
testing elimination. The pro-code-test advocates' Comments
were straight out of the League hymn book about morsemanship
with a few adding in nebulous advantages for "homeland
security" necessities! [those Petitions began after 11 Sep
01]

??

You know--the ARRL hymnal. It's filled with songs rallying government
to the ARRL. Len's sense of the surreal is working overtime.

Ah - now I understand.

The fact is that the majority of individuals who commented supported
the retention of at least some Morse Code testing. The majority also
supported elimination of the Morse Code test for the General Class
license.

However, the most likely outcome is that FCC will just drop Element 1
completely. The surprising thing is that it has taken so long.

What is more telling about the League's stubbornness on their
pro-code-test stance is that the IARU took a firm stand on
changing the ITU-R amateur radio regulations compulsory
(by administrations) morse testing for any license having
below-30-MHz privileges...the IARU wanted it OPTIONAL by all
administrations (at their discretion) a good year BEFORE
WRC-03. The ARRL wanted to keep the compulsory regulation.

Not true! Not true at all, Len.

The fact is that way back in 2000 or 2001, the ARRL BoD changed their
policy wrt S25.5. They decided to neither support nor oppose changes to
ITU-R S25.5.

Given the strong support from many other member countries to change
S25.5, the ARRL's no-opinion policy pretty much guaranteed there would
be majority support to change S25.5.

After WRC-03 the League took a neutral stance, neither for
nor against code testing in the USA. It's still a "ARRL
versus the World" situation.

Wrong again, Len!

In ARRL's petition to FCC, they proposed eliminating the Morse Code
test for General but retaining it for Extra.

Len isn't going to let facts stand in his way. His mind is made up.

Like concrete: all mixed up and firmly set.

The majority of individuals commenting on the NPRM wanted the test
eliminated for General.

The majority of individuals commenting on the NPRM wanted the test
retained for Extra.

The two majorities are not composed of all the same individuals, but
they *are* majorities.

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here. You can't discuss anything
reasonable-like, only cuss at those who disagree with you. :-)

yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he is
just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the brain
child of the ARRL

It should be abundantly clear that "Incentive Licensing" was
never about "advancing" in amateur radio beyond getting TITLE,
RAND, and STATUS.

"RAND"?

Do you mean Remington Rand, Ayn Rand, or the South African monetary
unit?

It is obviously a reference to the Rand Corporation--all very hush hush.

I disagree!

Remington Rand wasn't part of Len's CV.

Ayn Rand promoted her philosophy of Objectivism, which demanded strict
adherence to reality, not the surreal. Also, a core value of
Objectivism was the value of the individual and individual
accomplishment. Not something Len likes to acknowledge, unless it's
*his* personal value and accomplishment.

OTOH, Len's value system places a high value on being a "professional"
(meaning being paid for something) and how much material wealth a
person has amassed (so they can pay CASH for things like Japanese-made
general-coverage receivers).

So it must be the South African rand...

It is abundantly clear that Len's mind is made up. He KNOWS what
incentive licensing was about.

Facts notwithstanding.

That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

Nope. That's not what it was about at all, Len. Do try to get your
history straight.

The fact is that the "incentive licensing" changes were an attempt to
*return* to a system something like that which existed before February
1953. The complexity of the final result was due in large part to it
being pieced together from the numerous non-ARRL proposals mentioned
earlier.

btw, the 1951 restructuring that gave us the license classes with names
rather than letters was not primarily driven by ARRL.

Of course Len does not know where it actually came from...

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship.

How so?

Did you forget about the written tests?

Don't ruin his rant, Jim. He needs to massage a few facts to make
things fit with his conclusion.

Massage or mangle?

Fact is, ARRL proposed in 1963 that there be *no* additional code
testing for full privileges - just an additional written test.

The
morsemen won it. Never mind that radio technology was already
far advanced from the 1930s' style of amateur radio and that
morse code was falling by the wayside in every other radio
service, the League still (stubbornly) held to the belief that
all amateurs "should" be able to be morse skilled...even four
decades after the 1930s.

How many other radio services used Morse Code in 1966, Len?

Let's see...there were the military, particularly the US Navy and Coast
Guard, the maritime services, various government agencies, some press
services, and of course amateur radio.

Was there a shortage of trained radiotelegraphers during the Vietnam
War?

The League lobbied for and got the "vanity license" system so
that olde-tymers could get their 1x2 and 2x1 super-special
guru-status callsigns. Even more status symbolism.

Should accomplishment not be rewarded?

Len shouldn't confuse the Vanity Callsign System with the earlier FCC
decisions, beginning in 1968 to award 1x2 calls to those who held the
Extra and had been licensed for a certan number of years.

Actually, there were forms of "vanity" callsigns long before 1968. In
fact, if you search qrz.com, you may still be able to find amateurs
with 1x2 callsigns who are not Extras.

That was
later modified to include any Extra Class licensee without a minimum
number of years licensed. There was no periodic fee charged for those
callsign changes.

That's how I got N2EY in 1977. I simply asked FCC for a 1x2 when I
moved to New York State, and it was sequentially issued. I'd been an
Extra for seven years by then.

That it chafes Len, is tough.

All sorts of things chafe Len.

Combining
"vanity" calls and "incentive licensing" there was a perfect
setup for all who managed to get both to crow and holler they
WERE BETTER than all others. Good fellowship went out the
window...rank, status, title RULED.

Perhaps in Len's mind, it did.

btw, Len, did you ever manage to get your Extra out of the box? It's
been more than six and a half years now...

Len still hasn't opened the box to obtain any amateur radio license.
He's been carping in this newsgroup for a decade or so and inertia rulez.

Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

amasing how they keep resorting to threats and orders

That's all they have left in this new millennium, Mark.

Some of them, such as Blow Code and Hambrecht still think
they are "better than others" in all aspects, not just
morsemanship.

Well, maybe they are, Len. Or maybe they aren't.

Why does it bother you so much?

Do you have a need to look down on everyone?

There are those doing something in which Len is not a participant. Some
of those who are participants are perceived by Len to have rank, status
and privilege. In amateur radio, Len would have to begin as all did--at
the bottom. He'd have no rank, status or privilege for quite some time.
There'd be those who would think they were "better" than him. There
are others who'd actually BE better than him. The thought chafes him.
Len isn't an instant anything in amateur radio. He isn't yet a neophyte.

Actually there's a bit more to it than that.

If you recall, Len once set out to get an amateur license, and
reportedly got up to 7 or 8 wpm before he gave up on learning Morse
Code.

You see, learning Morse Code was "hard work" for Len back then.

He's apparently one of those folks who does "book learnin'" rather
easily - let him read something and he'll lecture you on it endlessly.
Some of what he says will actually be right, too.

But learning Morse Code to the 13 wpm level needed for a General
license turned out to be not so easy for Len, so he has held a grudge
about it for decades.

Now you may wonder why, if Len could do 7 or 8 wpm at one point, he
didn't just get a Novice license, and improve his Morse Code skills by
operating, as most of us did.

The answer should be obvious: No way would Len allow himself to be
classified as a "Novice". That license did not carry the appropriate
title or status for him.

They LIKE that. So much so that they are
in great personal fear of losing that very precious rank,
status, title, and privilege that MIGHT happen if the
code test is eliminated.

How will any currently licensed amateur lose anything if the Morse Code
test is eliminated?

They will LOSE their "better
than you" rationalization.

How?

If they really are better than you, they'll still be better without the
test. And vice-versa.

Precisely. They'll also have much more experience in amateur radio than
Leonard H. Anderson. Those who are proficient in the use of Morse, will
always be a leg up on Leonard.

So what? People have all kinds of skills, experience, etc. I'm sure
there are things where Len has more experience/knowledge/skill than I,
and things where I have more experience/knowledge/skill than he.

The former doesn't bother me, but the latter seems to bother him no
end.

Internally the sky will have
fallen on their self-perceptions.

Personally, I think radio and electronics is totally
fascinating.

Me too. Amateur radio particularly.

Seconded. How it must burn to have professed a decades-long interest in
something only to remain an outsider.

An outsider by choice. There has been a US amateur radio license with
no Morse Code test for the past 15-1/2 years. All other classes of US
amateur radio license have required only a 5 wpm code test since 2000.

So much so that I made a career choice of
it while studying for an entirely different sort of
work.

Funded by the taxpayers, too.

...and you'll note that Len is back to talking careers.

Think of the South African rand.

That's one of
the wonderful things about amateur radio. One can work in something
quite far afield from radio and still have a rich and rewarding
experience in amateur radio. One of my local friends works at a funeral
home. One works as a jail guard. One is a retired teacher. All find
much enjoyment in amateur radio.

Exactly. Amateur radio is "radio for its own sake".

Professional work, not some amateur dabbling,
yet I liked to make electronic things in my home
workshop.

Does being paid for something make someone automatically "better", Len?

It apparently does, unless it something made through dabbling in his
home workshop.

In case you've forgotten, Len did some writing for the now-defunct
amateur radio magazine "ham radio". He got paid for those articles, of
course. None of his articles were actual projects, though.

Things other than work-related tasks. It
is FUN, personally rewarding, not "work."

But not rewarding enough for you to get an amateur radio license, it
seems.

...and learning morse would apparently be "work" for Leonard.

"hard work", actually. That's why he gave up on it.

Or have you gotten that Extra out of its box, as you told us you were
going to do, way back on January 19, 2000?

He talks the talk, but has trouble with the walk.

I got into Big Time HF comms 53 1/2 years ago and have
seen what modes DO work well and on a 24/7 basis on
long-haul circuits that HAD to be kept working.

Using equipment supplied and paid for by others. With a team of several
hundred people trained to do the job.

It is always Big Time in the Len recounting. At least he has dropped
the claim that HE worked 24/7. My personal experience with PROFESSIONAL
long haul circuits that HAD to be kept working is that they don't
always. When a healthy solar flare comes along, you might as well mail
'em a letter.

Looks like a deep seated insecurity on Len's part, though.

That doesn't make you more qualified to judge what amateurs do -
self-funded and largely self-trained.

Years
later some KID is trying to "moralize" me into "working
on morsemanship?"

Is youth somehow wrong, Len?

You surely remember what he has said about CHILDREN in the past.

Oh yes - something about his difficulty including them in what he sees
as an adult activity. Also, he proposed a minimum age requirement for
an amateur license even though he had absolutely no evidence of
problems caused by the licensing of young people. Then there's his
accusating the ARRL and some VEs of "fraud" in licensing some young
children.

He (or she) can go shove it
somewhere...until he (or she) can prove they've done
more than I in radio communications...which they have
NOT done yet in here.

I see.

What if someone older than you, with more radio experience, told you
that you should work on your morse code skills? How would you react?

How about if someone younger than Len, but with more experience in radio
told him?

See the profile...it wouldn't matter.

Once, a very long time ago, I thought that becoming a
"ham" was a cool deal. That was before the commsats,
before technology had fully gotten with the semi-
conductor era, before the wonderful way we can get
over most of the world via PCs and the Internet.

What about your posting of January 19, 2000?

In addition to that, what about the fact that he is paying for internet
service and that invariably, that internet circuit goes through wires
somewhere? The cellular telephone is a wonderful thing too, but it
isn't a substitute for amateur radio. It'd be pricey too.

Why
IS it that some have to be a grand champion of the
1930s over seven decades later? What are THEY trying
to prove? I could care less about 1930s technology
and the "radio standards" of then. I live in the NOW.

Then why do you tell us so much about your past?

If he didn't, he couldn't regale us with tales of his days in Big Time
HF radio!

btw, if you are *not* interested in becoming a ham, why are you so
vocal about the requirements?

Didn't you know, Jim? Len's made himself an ADVOCATE for
something-or-other.

Keeping real estate zoning regulations as they were 40+ years ago?

If some dumb**** wants to moralize about "working" and
"investing" he (or she) can go get some flagellation
and suffer themselves for their own "cause." I'm not
about to join him (or her) in such moralistic self-
abuse/mis-use.

You sure seem to spend a lot of effort arguing about it, though.

Why?

His life is otherwise empty, depsite the comfortable income, two
mortgage-free homes and the like. Maybe Len can take a part-time job as
bag boy at Ralph's.

No, Ralph's requires that everything be Pretty Good. Including the
ketchup.

If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

Perhaps they are simply holding up a mirror.....

Len often acts ugly. I prefer not to think of him as naked.

Please don't go there...

Gee, Len, it's been more than three years since the ITU treaty changed.
Some countries have eliminated Morse Code testing, some haven't, and at
least one (Canada) has worked out a unique solution to the debate.
Meanwhile the USA rules on the subject haven't changed since 2000.

Are you frustrated because your will has not become law...yet?

Whether Len is ever a radio amateur or not, I'm not going to lose any
sleep over it.

Nor I. Besides, it's just not going to happen.

73 de Jim, N2EY

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:
From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 5:10 pm


wrote:

Jim, welcome back. I guess Coslo's BBS was a little too quiet?

billy beeper

Ahem...Coslo's attempt at an amateur radio "forum" hasn't had
a new posting since 20 Feb 06. Seven months of quiet.

Or maybe all the new posts got tangled with his "to the edge
of space" balloon experiment and floated off? :-)




"To Infinity And Beyond!!!"

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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

ARRL kept promoting themselves as
"representative" allegedly for the amateur to the FCC but
suspiciously more like a "filter" of amateurs' opinions.


Why are you suspicious, Len? Anyone could petition the FCC directly,
and many did, long before the Internet and ECFS.

Len is suspicious of the League's elections of Directors too. Len is
suspicious of a number of things in which he isn't involved.

Interesting how Carl was barred from running for section office.
Professional talent need not apply - we only want amateurs.

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wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 1:49 pm

(whole bunch of Len's errors and insults snipped in the interest of
time and space)

The fact is that the "incentive licensing" changes were an attempt to
*return* to a system something like that which existed before February
1953. The complexity of the final result was due in large part to it
being pieced together from the numerous non-ARRL proposals mentioned
earlier.

If that is true (and it is not) then there were FIVE classes
of amateur radio licenses prior to "incentive licensing." :-)

Actually, there were six classes of amateur radio licenses in the USA
from 1951 until the mid-1970s. They were Novice, Technician, General,
Conditional, Advanced and Extra.

Was the Conditional actually a class of license or a method of taking
the exam? What priveleges did it convey? Why do some OF's state that
they had a General when, in fact, they held the Conditional license?
Was there shame associated with the Conditional license?
well I'll "conseed that one if he likes jst makes thing more Byzantine

In the mid-1970s the Conditional was phased out. When a Conditional was
renewed or modified, the FCC changed the license class to General.

Hmmmm? Almost interesting.

The number of amateur radio license classes in the USA remained at 5
until the Technician Plus lucense was created in the early 1990s.

False. The Technician with 5wpm code ran concurrently with the
Technician license without code. That lasted for about two years, then
we got the "Plus" as a marker for the code accomplished.

But then the strangest thing happened. It went back to "Technician"
and you have to keep track of your code "accomplishment" yourself.
Doesn't sound like the FCC values the code "accomplishment" all that
much.
indeed

Neither does the text of NPRM last year

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.