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Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
wrote: On 29 Oct 2006 12:05:42 -0800, wrote: Slow Code wrote: Opus- wrote in : Don't you have some offs to ****? Why do no-coders always break down in the middle of an argument and start spewing profanities? I just don't understand it. It must be do to their limited mental abilities. Opus being a Cannuk probably doesn't help either. SC Removing the code requirement at this late date would do little to increase the number of hams applying for a license. but it can help retain those we get and encourage them into intagrate into the ARs as opposed to being driven out by such as SC How would retaining the code requirement help to retain those you do get. I do not understand. At one time, possibly 30 years ago it would have made sense to replace the code test with one that emphasizes skills that actually have a use in the real world. Sadly, I think that there is little that can be done to attract younger hams into the hobby. There are just too many license-free ways of communicating with people from around the world. http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
wrote: wrote: On 29 Oct 2006 12:05:42 -0800, wrote: Slow Code wrote: Opus- wrote in : Don't you have some offs to ****? Why do no-coders always break down in the middle of an argument and start spewing profanities? I just don't understand it. It must be do to their limited mental abilities. Opus being a Cannuk probably doesn't help either. SC Removing the code requirement at this late date would do little to increase the number of hams applying for a license. but it can help retain those we get and encourage them into intagrate into the ARs as opposed to being driven out by such as SC How would retaining the code requirement help to retain those you do get. I do not understand. obviously you do not understand since the opisite was said ending code tsting could help retain the new hams |
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Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
You forgot the most important part....
How about helping out the rest of the world in emergencies? After any disaster, the first comunications out of the effected area comes from hams. NOHA gets a lot of there hurricane information from hams in the affected area. Sometimes while the ham op is in the middle of it. When all else fails...we are there!!!! Been there, done that Joe SNIPPED Removing the code requirement at this late date would do little to increase the number of hams applying for a license. At one time, possibly 30 years ago it would have made sense to replace the code test with one that emphasizes skills that actually have a use in the real world. Sadly, I think that there is little that can be done to attract younger hams into the hobby. There are just too many license-free ways of communicating with people from around the world. Amateur Radio is about much more than "communicating with people from around the world". Amateur Radio is about LEARNING !!! LEARNING some physics, learning about sunspots, learning about antennas, learning about propagation, learning about some electronics, learning about digital communication techniques, learning about VHF propagation, learning about microwaves, learning about wide band tv systems, learning about narrow band tv systems, learning about ... [you complete the phrase]. If you just want to talk around the world, use CB. If you just want to talk around town, use FRS. If you want to LEARN about radio become an Amateur Radio operator [make a commitment to LEARN]. /s/ DD, W1MCE |
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SNIPPED Amateur Radio is about LEARNING !!! LEARNING some physics, learning about sunspots, learning about antennas, learning about propagation, learning about some electronics, learning about digital communication techniques, learning about VHF propagation, learning about microwaves, learning about wide band tv systems, learning about narrow band tv systems, learning about ... [you complete the phrase]. I notice none of the things you list is Morse Code If you just want to talk around the world, use CB. If you just want to talk around town, use FRS. If you want to LEARN about radio become an Amateur Radio operator [make a commitment to LEARN]. /s/ DD, W1MCE http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ I can still put 18-20 wpm on paper [with arthritis in fingers] and read 25+ wpm. What is your skill level? |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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: Slow Code wrote in news:76c0h.19656$UG4.15739 @newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net: well the real easy answer to that question and the only one needed is: NO. Good, we should keep the requirement then, because it has kept a lot of Bad people out of ham radio. SC |
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Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
Telamon wrote: In article .com, wrote: Snip off topic crapola Quite frankly I'm tired of seeing posts arguing about the amateur code requirement in rec.radio.shortwave so I'm kill filing everyone in the thread or any other thread with that subject from now on. so do it and stop whing about it -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Slow Code wrote: . It's my way or the Freeway. nope but you are free to take the freeway and hopely either leave Ham radio or grow up and try to ACT like an adult SC |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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... In article .com, wrote: Snip off topic crapola Quite frankly I'm tired of seeing posts arguing about the amateur code requirement in rec.radio.shortwave so I'm kill filing everyone in the thread or any other thread with that subject from now on. -- Telamon Ventura, California A-men.......... Bro! It's not getting anyone anywhere. Just tying up bandwidth and making the groups BORING. I've killfiled more people than I think the computer can keep track of. DAMNED. We'll be talking to ourselves pretty soon. |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of hamradio?
Good, we should keep the requirement then, because it has kept a lot of Bad people out of ham radio. SC How come it didnt keep you out ? |
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Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
wrote: On 29 Oct 2006 13:06:10 -0800, wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: On 29 Oct 2006 12:05:42 -0800, wrote: Slow Code wrote: Opus- wrote in : Don't you have some offs to ****? Why do no-coders always break down in the middle of an argument and start spewing profanities? I just don't understand it. It must be do to their limited mental abilities. Opus being a Cannuk probably doesn't help either. SC Removing the code requirement at this late date would do little to increase the number of hams applying for a license. but it can help retain those we get and encourage them into intagrate into the ARs as opposed to being driven out by such as SC How would retaining the code requirement help to retain those you do get. I do not understand. obviously you do not understand since the opisite was said ending code tsting could help retain the new hams I see that you real as well as you spell, which is not very good. I was responding to the following: "but it can help retain those we get ". I "real"? indeed I see what you are responding to but you clearly can't read the sentence since neither of the preceeding poster is tlaking about reatining code testing and neither he 2 yet futher in the tree were talking and code testing at all the only one that thinks the poster are sufggesting code testing will retain anything is you and where you get is beyond me said: "Removing the code requirement at this late date would do little to increase the number of hams applying for a license. " To which responded: "but it can help retain those we get " And said: "I see that you real(sp) as well as you spell, which is not very good. I was responding to the following: "but it can help retain those we get" And said: "the only one that thinks the poster are sufggesting code testing will retain anything is you and where you get is beyond me" If will take the time to read the threaded responses he will understand how the thread unfolded. http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
"Radiosrfun" wrote in message ... A-men.......... Bro! It's not getting anyone anywhere. Just tying up bandwidth and making the groups BORING. I've killfiled more people than I think the computer can keep track of. DAMNED. We'll be talking to ourselves pretty soon. If you mean just SWLs discussing various aspects of the radio hobby on rec.radio.shortwave, well, let's hope so. The code/no code discussion got boring years ago. Or perhaps it's the posters who are boring. Either way, the crossposters from rec.radio.amateur groups make up the bulk of my killfile. Frank Dresser |
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SNIPPED FLIP answer. Tnx for nothing. well when you ask a flip question what do you expect http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ I still don't understand why you respond to a post by ONLY listing your blogspot. What am I missing. My question was not 'flip', it was serious. But I guess you have nothing worthwhile to say except look at my .... |
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Dave wrote: wrote: SNIPPED FLIP answer. Tnx for nothing. well when you ask a flip question what do you expect http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ I still don't understand why you respond to a post by ONLY listing your blogspot. I don't so I can't help you understand beyond that What am I missing. My question was not 'flip', it was serious. what are you missing? I realy don't know I could speculate, but I suspect youd like that even less But I guess you have nothing worthwhile to say except look at my .... guess wrong again By now I am can say you are fool or just another of the troll of the interent but hopefully you knew that |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
Dave wrote: wrote: SNIPPED Removing the code requirement at this late date would do little to increase the number of hams applying for a license. At one time, possibly 30 years ago it would have made sense to replace the code test with one that emphasizes skills that actually have a use in the real world. Sadly, I think that there is little that can be done to attract younger hams into the hobby. There are just too many license-free ways of communicating with people from around the world. Amateur Radio is about much more than "communicating with people from around the world". Amateur Radio is about LEARNING !!! LEARNING some physics, learning about sunspots, learning about antennas, learning about propagation, learning about some electronics, learning about digital communication techniques, learning about VHF propagation, learning about microwaves, learning about wide band tv systems, learning about narrow band tv systems, learning about ... [you complete the phrase]. If you just want to talk around the world, use CB. If you just want to talk around town, use FRS. If you want to LEARN about radio become an Amateur Radio operator [make a commitment to LEARN]. I agree - learning something about amateur radio is a requirement for passing the test. The real question is what kinds of knowlege about amateur radio should be required of prospective hams before giving them a license. It would seem to me that testing a prospective ham for knowlege of how radios operate, how to set up a station properly and how to operate the equipment safely would be a primary concern. Next the ham should be able to demonstrate an ability to use the equipment to communicate in an efficient and courteous manner in a mode that is widely used. Voice is hands down the most frequently used mode of communication. Additionally, a knowlege of how to communicate via radio using voice would be a big help when trying to make contact during an emergency with professional rescue groups. Having the prospective ham learn morse code would not provide him with a skill that has any real world use. |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
wrote: wrote: imagines he is "helpful." I am helpful, Len. His concept of "helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff. It's what *you* want, Len. Not me. It might be that doesn't understand 'reality.' He says he "lives in the ham bands." Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote. The rest of us live in residences like houses or apartments. I've got one of those. He has funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to mention local tax laws. What funny ideas? All I did was point out that when someone wanted to *change* the zoning in your neighborhood, you opposed that change. You wanted to keep out anyone who did not want the kind of house you lived in. You wanted a piece of undeveloped land to stay undeveloped, even though you did not own it. You wanted The Government to keep your neighborhood As It Was When You Moved There. By force of law. Newcomers must conform to what *you* wanted the neighborhood to be. *They* had to change, not you. The irony is that when the land was finally developed, the resulting houses were worth more than yours! is off on some Hate kick. Not me, Len. I'm not about hate. I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy. He just can't stand opposition to his beloved ARRL's ideas or anyone gasp! disagreeing with the mighty of Newington. Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole. Therefore he stretches even his concept of reality to the breaking point...and broke it more than once. What *are* you going on about, Len? In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4 inches. He NEEDS to find the worst of everyone disagreeing with him. Do you mean that I point out your mistakes? A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now. Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the US military? 1906 thinking in 2006. Ptui. Gee, Len, your posts read like a transcript of a Two Minutes' Hate sometimes. That is, when you're not telling people to shut up or calling them Godwinesque nicknames. |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am
wrote: imagines he is "helpful." I am helpful, Len. Mother Superior is back in her knuckle-spank-with-ruler mode. Bad Habit, Mother. :-) His concept of "helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff. It's what *you* want, Len. Not me. "Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-) *NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz. YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz privileges MUST take that code test...because it was always done. THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook. What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test for below-30-MHz operating privileges? You keep on and on and on and on and on about that...yet every other radio service doesn't require that. Ah, but your RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as it has always done, keep on with federal testing for morse code telegraphy. Virtual enslavement to the ideas of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up with the times and change. The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous 'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined bull****. Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands MUST be met by others? Ego? Delusions of god-hood? Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL others? Why are you against letting others choose for themselves? It might be that doesn't understand 'reality.' He says he "lives in the ham bands." Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote. Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well what YOU meant. The rest of us live in residences like houses or apartments. I've got one of those. Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-) He has funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to mention local tax laws. What funny ideas? YOURS, Mother. This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws. YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living) and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association, haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every- one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing. Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character Assassination of me. :-) Since it didn't work, you MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight against elimination of the code test. :-) Not me, Len. I'm not about hate. I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy. Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-) Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it. "Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the first electronic computer?" [it's not an amateur radio subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur radio] Are you going against a Federal Court decision about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision. "Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any allocated band. Yet you demand that the morse code test be required for any radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even though the FCC has stated at least three times in public (beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their licensing purposes. The FCC is the one with the NPRM on deleting that code test. YOUR idea of "common sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the ARRL says. :-) "Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair." If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that. "Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of "justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had damn well take one, too! Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole. You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not* accepted as a "first?" :-) Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio history. There are other sources, but you keep trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole. In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4 inches. Not at 731 MHz. :-) Mother Superior, PUT DOWN THE RULER. I did correct my typo of accidental shifting of the apostrophe key. Okay, you have just TOSSED OUT your "accuracy" and "fair play" in favor of manufactured Character Assassination. You are going to DWELL on that typo WITHOUT acknowledging my own correction. Standard Operating Procedure for you, Mother. Do you mean that I point out your mistakes? That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-) You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-) Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory? Give you selective amnesia? Increase your imagination? A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now. Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the US military? There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!? Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-) You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey, no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-) Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two documents which YOU will NEVER have. Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it for years? Yes, I'm sure it does as long as they champion morse code testing for amateur licenses. You seem to love and condone anyone who is against NCTAs. Gotta love that "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" of yours, Mother. Right up there with all the dictators of human history. You keep up the good work of 1906 thinking in the year 2006. |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
It's not code requirements or tests that is keeping ( and driving) good people out of ham radio, and away from lists like these, it's psychopaths like SC and the idiots that feed him. This WAS about real issues, and about technology (I hit this cesspool from the antennas list), but it is not now. Thanks to the crap fron SC, and from the idiots that feed this Troll, I'm leaving. On real lists, s--t pots like him are kicked out. On usenets, the only way is to quit feeding his ego, but, unfortunately, he is not the only idiot here. Bye-Bill |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
Dave wrote in
: wrote: SNIPPED Amateur Radio is about LEARNING !!! LEARNING some physics, learning about sunspots, learning about antennas, learning about propagation, learning about some electronics, learning about digital communication techniques, learning about VHF propagation, learning about microwaves, learning about wide band tv systems, learning about narrow band tv systems, learning about ... [you complete the phrase]. I notice none of the things you list is Morse Code If you just want to talk around the world, use CB. If you just want to talk around town, use FRS. If you want to LEARN about radio become an Amateur Radio operator [make a commitment to LEARN]. /s/ DD, W1MCE http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ I can still put 18-20 wpm on paper [with arthritis in fingers] and read 25+ wpm. What is your skill level? Mark in the Dark doesn't have a skill level. He butchers the english pretty good though. SC |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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: Good, we should keep the requirement then, because it has kept a lot of Bad people out of ham radio. SC How come it didnt keep you out ? I'm not bad. SC |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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ups.com: From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am wrote: imagines he is "helpful." I am helpful, Len. Mother Superior is back in her knuckle-spank-with-ruler mode. Bad Habit, Mother. :-) His concept of "helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff. It's what *you* want, Len. Not me. "Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-) *NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz. YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz privileges MUST take that code test...because it was always done. THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook. What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test for below-30-MHz operating privileges? You keep on and on and on and on and on about that...yet every other radio service doesn't require that. Ah, but your RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as it has always done, keep on with federal testing for morse code telegraphy. Virtual enslavement to the ideas of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up with the times and change. The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous 'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined bull****. Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands MUST be met by others? Ego? Delusions of god-hood? Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL others? Why are you against letting others choose for themselves? It might be that doesn't understand 'reality.' He says he "lives in the ham bands." Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote. Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well what YOU meant. The rest of us live in residences like houses or apartments. I've got one of those. Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-) He has funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to mention local tax laws. What funny ideas? YOURS, Mother. This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws. YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living) and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association, haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every- one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing. Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character Assassination of me. :-) Since it didn't work, you MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight against elimination of the code test. :-) Not me, Len. I'm not about hate. I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy. Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-) Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it. "Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the first electronic computer?" [it's not an amateur radio subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur radio] Are you going against a Federal Court decision about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision. "Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any allocated band. Yet you demand that the morse code test be required for any radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even though the FCC has stated at least three times in public (beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their licensing purposes. The FCC is the one with the NPRM on deleting that code test. YOUR idea of "common sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the ARRL says. :-) "Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair." If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that. "Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of "justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had damn well take one, too! Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole. You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not* accepted as a "first?" :-) Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio history. There are other sources, but you keep trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole. In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4 inches. Not at 731 MHz. :-) Mother Superior, PUT DOWN THE RULER. I did correct my typo of accidental shifting of the apostrophe key. Okay, you have just TOSSED OUT your "accuracy" and "fair play" in favor of manufactured Character Assassination. You are going to DWELL on that typo WITHOUT acknowledging my own correction. Standard Operating Procedure for you, Mother. Do you mean that I point out your mistakes? That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-) You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-) Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory? Give you selective amnesia? Increase your imagination? A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now. Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the US military? There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!? Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-) You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey, no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-) Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two documents which YOU will NEVER have. Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it for years? Yes, I'm sure it does as long as they champion morse code testing for amateur licenses. You seem to love and condone anyone who is against NCTAs. Gotta love that "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" of yours, Mother. Right up there with all the dictators of human history. You keep up the good work of 1906 thinking in the year 2006. What's wrong with letting us keep our ham traditions? SC |
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oups.com: It's not code requirements or tests that is keeping ( and driving) good people out of ham radio, and away from lists like these, it's psychopaths like SC and the idiots that feed him. This WAS about real issues, and about technology (I hit this cesspool from the antennas list), but it is not now. Thanks to the crap fron SC, and from the idiots that feed this Troll, I'm leaving. On real lists, s--t pots like him are kicked out. On usenets, the only way is to quit feeding his ego, but, unfortunately, he is not the only idiot here. Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio? SC |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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oups.com: Barry OGrady wrote: On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:54:46 -0500, Nada Tapu wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:23:03 GMT, Slow Code wrote: Or just lazy people out? Sc It certainly didn't keep me out, and I wasn't all that crazy about learning it, either. More to the point, are there more licensed amateurs since the code requirement was removed years ago? Yes. In the USA at least. Since the inception of the no-code Technician class here in 1991, the growth of the Technician class license numbers in the USA has been continuous. Those now comprise about 49 % of ALL licensees. The Technician class license numbers are twice that of General class, the next-largest license class. Since the "reconstruction" in FCC amateur radio regulations of 2001, the number of licensees grew to peak in July, 2003. At that time the maximum code test rate was fixed at 5 WPM, all classes. A problem now is the attrition of the older licensees. More old- timers are leaving/expiring (their licenses) than are being replaced by new (never before licensed in amateur radio) licensees. Source: www.hamdata.com. That trend has persisted for three years. The code test is not THE factor causing it, just one of the major factors in slowing the increase of new licensees. Coupled with the stubborn resistance to change of ANY regulations by olde-tymers, there is little incentive to enter olde-tyme amateur radio. Ally that with the huge growth of the Internet in the 15 years it has been public - an Internet that has spread worldwide with near-instant communications over that world - and the traditional standards and practices of olde-tyme ham radio just don't have the appeal to newcomers they once had. Elimination of the code test for any license will cause a spurt in new licensees. While such elimination is not a guarantee to far-future growth, it will be the significant act to being CHANGING regulations to better fit the modern times. Keeping up with changing times is a NECESSITY in regulations, regardless of the personal desires of the minority of amateurs making up the olde-tyme group. You should market your posts to farmers Len. The fertilizer content in them could green the Sahara. SC |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am wrote: imagines he is "helpful." I am helpful, Len. What do you need help with? His concept of "helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff. It's what *you* want, Len. Not me. "Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-) That's what you do, all right. Anyone who disagrees is denounced. *NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz. They have that freedom now, Len. You do not. YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz privileges MUST take that code test.. I don't "demand", Len. I simply think that a code test is a good idea for *all* amateur radio licenses. I also think the written tests could be improved. .because it was always done. Nope. Wrong. You've made yet another mistake. I think the Morse Code test is a good idea for many reasons, but "because it was always done" isn't one of them. THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook. You're just plain wrong, Len. What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test for below-30-MHz operating privileges? Nothing sacred about it, Len. It's just a good idea. In fact, I think amateur radio would be better off if *all* amateur licenses required a Morse Code test. That's just my opinion. You keep on and on and on and on and on about that...yet every other radio service doesn't require that. So what? Amateur radio is different. If it wasn't, there would be no need for it to be a separate radio service. Ah, but your RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as it has always done, keep on with federal testing for morse code telegraphy. No, that's not true at all, Len. You've made yet another mistake. Virtual enslavement to the ideas of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up with the times and change. You mean like somebody who insists that zoning ordinances must never be changed to allow different land uses? The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous 'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined bull****. Y'know, Len, it's easy to tell when you've lost the debate. You tell us all by the way you go ballistic, start cussing and SHOUTING and using derogatory nicknames and cuss words. The fact is that you have no tolerance for opinions different from yours. Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands MUST be met by others? Ask yourself that question, Len. Ego? Delusions of god-hood? Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL others? Why are you against letting others choose for themselves? See? There you go! I'm just expressing my opinion, Len. I think a Morse Code test is a good thing for Amateur Radio. In fact, I think it would be better if all radio amateurs had to pass such a test. *You* were the one who wanted to prevent people under the age of 14 from getting amateur licenses. *You* were the one who wanted to prevent development of land you did not own, just because it was near your house. *You* are the one spamming ECFS with hundreds of pages of commentary, even though you are not involved in amateur radio at all. Who is trying to be the controller, Len? It might be that doesn't understand 'reality.' He says he "lives in the ham bands." Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote. Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well what YOU meant. Len, if you claim someone wrote something here, you should be able to back up that claim. Seems to me you can't do that. You've stooped to misquoting me for some reason. Why? All my posts are in the archives - if I wrote something, a direct quote would be easy to find. I think you know that you are wrong, and are trying to evade the truth. The rest of us live in residences like houses or apartments. I've got one of those. Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-) What do you think? He has funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to mention local tax laws. What funny ideas? YOURS, Mother. I'm not your mother, Len. (thank goodness!) This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws. Says who? Are you the moderator? I think not! It's not about a lot of things, but that never stopped you. YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living) and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association, haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every- one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing. I don't think everyone else is bored by my postings. The fact is that *you* have done exactly what you accuse others of doing: resisting change, trying to keep others out, holding to old ways, etc. Almost every claim you have made about those who support Morse Code testing can be used to describe your actions toward a simple zoning change. Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character Assassination of me. :-) Can't kill something that doesn't exist ;-) ;-) ;-) What did I write about your zoning change that wasn't true, Len? Since it didn't work, you MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight against elimination of the code test. :-) It's a clear and valid analogy. You're the outsider trying to force your way on a community where you have no investment. Just like an outside developer trying to build in your neighborhood - except that the developer invested lots of time, money and effort into the neighborhood. Not me, Len. I'm not about hate. I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy. Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-) You mean like the two presidents from your state? They weren't exactly winners, Len. Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it. Not to anyone who has any sense. "Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the first electronic computer?" You've made another mistake, Len. ENIAC was the world's very first fully operational, high speed, general purpose, electronic digital computer. That's what I've repeatedly written, but you misquote me. [it's not an amateur radio subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur radio] How do you know for sure? Are you going against a Federal Court decision about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision. The court decision was about the patents, and the attempt to monopolize the computer industry. If you think the ABC machine was an electronic computer in any real sense, then you really don't know what the words mean. All it could do was solve systems of linear equations - it didn't even have a conditional jump instruction. It was a specialized calculator, not a true computer. See the chart in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eniac "Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any allocated band. That's true. Or they can come up with new modes, document them, and FCC will allow the new modes as well. Yet you demand that the morse code test be required for any radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even though the FCC has stated at least three times in public (beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their licensing purposes. I don't "demand" that, Len. I just think it's a good idea. And not just for HF but for all radio amateurs. FCC has stated all sorts of things, btw. Doesn't mean they are always right. Do you think BPL is a good thing? FCC seems to think it is. If FCC is so against Morse Code testing, why wasn't the test just dropped in the summer of 2003? All it would take is a Memorandum Report and Order. The FCC is the one with the NPRM on deleting that code test. Then why are you so upset? You're not involved. You're not part of Amateur Radio, and it's pretty clear you never will be. YOUR idea of "common sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the ARRL says. :-) Heck no, Len. ARRL wants the Morse Code test kept only for Extra. I want it for all radio amateurs. "Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair." If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that. Len, you're talking about yourself - as usual. "Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of "justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had damn well take one, too! No, Len. I've never used those reasons. You really do seem to know that you've lost. Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole. You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not* accepted as a "first?" :-) ENIAC was the world's very first fully operational, high speed, general purpose, electronic digital computer. That's a fact. Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio history. Nobody says it is, Len. But when it comes to facts, you sure come up short. There are other sources, but you keep trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole. Do you mean that I point out your mistakes? That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-) Debate is all about showing the mistakes in an opponent's reasoning, Len. IOW, pointing out their mistakes. You make so many mistakes here that it can be difficult to keep up! You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-) Which mistakes are those, Len? Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory? Nope - just the opposite. Give you selective amnesia? Nope - just the opposite. Improves the memory. Increase your imagination? Yep - and creativity, too. All sorts of good things. You wouldn't know about them, of course. A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now. Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the US military? There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!? Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-) IOW, you haven't found the database K8MN referred to. You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey, no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-) There you go, attacking the person rather than the argument. Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two documents which YOU will NEVER have. So what? Does the possession of those documents somehow mean you are infallible, Len? You seem to think that way. But it is not so. Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it for years? Why should anyone have to provide *you* with proof, Len? Can't you find the database K8MN referenced? You claim to know who served in the US military and who didn't. Yet it seems you can't find proof on your own. Why should anyone provide you with proof of their military service? |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
"Slow Code" wrote in message et... " wrote in ups.com: From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am wrote: imagines he is "helpful." I am helpful, Len. Mother Superior is back in her knuckle-spank-with-ruler mode. Bad Habit, Mother. :-) His concept of "helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff. It's what *you* want, Len. Not me. "Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-) *NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz. YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz privileges MUST take that code test...because it was always done. THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook. What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test for below-30-MHz operating privileges? You keep on and on and on and on and on about that...yet every other radio service doesn't require that. Ah, but your RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as it has always done, keep on with federal testing for morse code telegraphy. Virtual enslavement to the ideas of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up with the times and change. The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous 'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined bull****. Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands MUST be met by others? Ego? Delusions of god-hood? Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL others? Why are you against letting others choose for themselves? It might be that doesn't understand 'reality.' He says he "lives in the ham bands." Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote. Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well what YOU meant. The rest of us live in residences like houses or apartments. I've got one of those. Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-) He has funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to mention local tax laws. What funny ideas? YOURS, Mother. This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws. YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living) and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association, haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every- one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing. Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character Assassination of me. :-) Since it didn't work, you MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight against elimination of the code test. :-) Not me, Len. I'm not about hate. I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy. Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-) Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it. "Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the first electronic computer?" [it's not an amateur radio subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur radio] Are you going against a Federal Court decision about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision. "Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any allocated band. Yet you demand that the morse code test be required for any radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even though the FCC has stated at least three times in public (beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their licensing purposes. The FCC is the one with the NPRM on deleting that code test. YOUR idea of "common sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the ARRL says. :-) "Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair." If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that. "Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of "justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had damn well take one, too! Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole. You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not* accepted as a "first?" :-) Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio history. There are other sources, but you keep trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole. In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4 inches. Not at 731 MHz. :-) Mother Superior, PUT DOWN THE RULER. I did correct my typo of accidental shifting of the apostrophe key. Okay, you have just TOSSED OUT your "accuracy" and "fair play" in favor of manufactured Character Assassination. You are going to DWELL on that typo WITHOUT acknowledging my own correction. Standard Operating Procedure for you, Mother. Do you mean that I point out your mistakes? That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-) You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-) Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory? Give you selective amnesia? Increase your imagination? A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now. Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the US military? There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!? Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-) You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey, no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-) Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two documents which YOU will NEVER have. Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it for years? Yes, I'm sure it does as long as they champion morse code testing for amateur licenses. You seem to love and condone anyone who is against NCTAs. Gotta love that "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" of yours, Mother. Right up there with all the dictators of human history. You keep up the good work of 1906 thinking in the year 2006. What's wrong with letting us keep our ham traditions? SC Is being an idiotic moron and a jackass ****tard really something you want keep? |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
U-Know-Who wrote: "Slow Code" wrote in message et... " wrote in ups.com: What's wrong with letting us keep our ham traditions? SC Is being an idiotic moron and a jackass ****tard really something you want keep? Iwould not have used exactrly those words that is what he wants he want the ARS to be the Arhchiac radio service and die in about 20 to 25 years tops |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
wrote: wrote: From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am *NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz. They have that freedom now, Len. only if they are willing to violate the law, JIM I do not and if you have your way never will have that freedom I spent 5 years trying very very hard to get it. I have little (if anything) to show for that effort. in most form of law something become permenet or impossible if attemped for a full year from the ProCode side we see NO room for anything exhalations to work and slave I am certain I have put far more effort on code along than you put into in ALL of your licensure(not your day to day haming) no the world is not fair and while in principle my satus even if I am the only american should allow for an exception it seems I am far from alone I recall reading of someone spending 10 years and finaly making it. why is such effort justified for the option to never use it again esp in a world where Computers can if not operate the mode WELL (how well they do it is debated) can certainly operate the mode better than I (and others) ever would be would you ask a man with with hearing problem not to use a hearing aid to take the code test he can't do the deed without it? then why deny me and others our right use your pcs or other devices that allow to use Morse Coded CW I have operated quite abit on machine Morsed CW . did a lot sending practice stuff for my firend working on the higher code speed required in 1997- 99. anybody that can could follow my typing with zero proofing (instead of the minimal proofing here on RRAP) could pass a test . OTOH I found I could read there "buig sent stuff fairly well certainly enough for my brain which is used to seeing text in a distorted manner could follow indeed during this code practice on 6 I even scored some DX |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am *NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz. They have that freedom now, Len. only if they are willing to violate the law, JIM I do not and if you have your way never will have that freedom I spent 5 years trying very very hard to get it. I have little (if anything) to show for that effort. in most form of law something become permenet or impossible if attemped for a full year from the ProCode side we see NO room for anything exhalations to work and slave I am certain I have put far more effort on code along than you put into in ALL of your licensure(not your day to day haming) no the world is not fair and while in principle my satus even if I am the only american should allow for an exception it seems I am far from alone I recall reading of someone spending 10 years and finaly making it. why is such effort justified for the option to never use it again esp in a world where Computers can if not operate the mode WELL (how well they do it is debated) can certainly operate the mode better than I (and others) ever would be would you ask a man with with hearing problem not to use a hearing aid to take the code test he can't do the deed without it? then why deny me and others our right use your pcs or other devices that allow to use Morse Coded CW I have operated quite abit on machine Morsed CW . did a lot sending practice stuff for my firend working on the higher code speed required in 1997- 99. anybody that can could follow my typing with zero proofing (instead of the minimal proofing here on RRAP) could pass a test . OTOH I found I could read there "buig sent stuff fairly well certainly enough for my brain which is used to seeing text in a distorted manner could follow indeed during this code practice on 6 I even scored some DX STFU marqueer |
Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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: "Slow Code" wrote in message et... " wrote in ups.com: From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am wrote: imagines he is "helpful." I am helpful, Len. Mother Superior is back in her knuckle-spank-with-ruler mode. Bad Habit, Mother. :-) His concept of "helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff. It's what *you* want, Len. Not me. "Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-) *NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz. YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz privileges MUST take that code test...because it was always done. THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook. What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test for below-30-MHz operating privileges? You keep on and on and on and on and on about that...yet every other radio service doesn't require that. Ah, but your RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as it has always done, keep on with federal testing for morse code telegraphy. Virtual enslavement to the ideas of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up with the times and change. The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous 'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined bull****. Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands MUST be met by others? Ego? Delusions of god-hood? Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL others? Why are you against letting others choose for themselves? It might be that doesn't understand 'reality.' He says he "lives in the ham bands." Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote. Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well what YOU meant. The rest of us live in residences like houses or apartments. I've got one of those. Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-) He has funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to mention local tax laws. What funny ideas? YOURS, Mother. This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws. YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living) and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association, haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every- one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing. Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character Assassination of me. :-) Since it didn't work, you MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight against elimination of the code test. :-) Not me, Len. I'm not about hate. I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy. Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-) Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it. "Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the first electronic computer?" [it's not an amateur radio subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur radio] Are you going against a Federal Court decision about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision. "Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION of using any allocated mode in any allocated band. Yet you demand that the morse code test be required for any radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even though the FCC has stated at least three times in public (beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their licensing purposes. The FCC is the one with the NPRM on deleting that code test. YOUR idea of "common sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the ARRL says. :-) "Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair." If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that. "Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of "justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had damn well take one, too! Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole. You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not* accepted as a "first?" :-) Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio history. There are other sources, but you keep trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole. In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4 inches. Not at 731 MHz. :-) Mother Superior, PUT DOWN THE RULER. I did correct my typo of accidental shifting of the apostrophe key. Okay, you have just TOSSED OUT your "accuracy" and "fair play" in favor of manufactured Character Assassination. You are going to DWELL on that typo WITHOUT acknowledging my own correction. Standard Operating Procedure for you, Mother. Do you mean that I point out your mistakes? That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-) You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-) Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory? Give you selective amnesia? Increase your imagination? A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now. Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the US military? There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!? Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-) You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey, no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-) Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two documents which YOU will NEVER have. Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it for years? Yes, I'm sure it does as long as they champion morse code testing for amateur licenses. You seem to love and condone anyone who is against NCTAs. Gotta love that "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy" of yours, Mother. Right up there with all the dictators of human history. You keep up the good work of 1906 thinking in the year 2006. What's wrong with letting us keep our ham traditions? SC Is being an idiotic moron and a jackass ****tard really something you want keep? That's only a problem for you. You're to lazy and mentally challenged to work your way up to that level. How's CB, work any DX lately? SC |
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Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
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From: on Thurs, Oct 26 2006 3:36am wrote: From: "Dee Flint" on Sun, Oct 22 2006 8:47am "Opus-" wrote in message The major (in population) nation administrations have dropped their morse code testing or substitute other tests in lieu of morse code. How do you know? :-) Try reading the No-Code International website and researching the statements in there. Which statements? Those are true statements. How do you know for sure? Indeed, all other US radio services operating below 30 MHz do NOT use morse code radiotelegraphy. Why is that so important? It SHOULD be obvious to all but the conditioned-thinking Believer. :-) IOW, you can't explain it. It should be obvious that the so-called "advantages" of morse code radiotelegraphy are so few...ergo, it isn't worth having a license TEST for it. You're presuming your conclusion. Especially since the FCC hasn't mandated exclusivity for morse code radio- telegraphy for years. Did they ever? Why should radio amateurs be held elevated to some special significance? It's not about 'special significance". Yes, it is. :-) See "VANITY" call signs...see the old "Extra" requirements for 20 WPM code tests. What's wrong with vanity callsigns? See all the "gotta upgrade!" agit-prop from ARRL where morsemanship is promoted way over all other modes. Where? All I ever saw was encouragement. And as far as "promoted way over other modes", the amount of space given to Morse Code in ARRL publications is not out of line with the mode's popularity. The basic fallacy of pro-coder thinking is that "all" have some innate ability to learn morse code. There are obviously those who cannot learn it - just as there are those who cannot learn to speak, or read and write, or who cannot pass the written tests. Just as there are some in here who cannot tell time, cannot understand that a federal court decision in the early 1970s TOOK AWAY the claimed "firsts" of ENIAC. :-) A court cannot change the facts, Len. All that court decision did was to render an opinion on some patents. The military aptitude testing was done to find those who could learn the fastest and reach the highest levels of skill in the least time. You "KNOW" this by first-hand experience, Is my statement correct, Len? No, you could NOT know any of that. In fact, *I* was the one who FIRST mentioned it in here. :-) So what? Is the statement correct or not? I took one of those morse aptitude tests, along with about a dozen other aptitude tests, back in 1952. And you didn't score near the top on the Morse Code aptitude, did you? I think that was the start of your anti-Morse crusade. The requirements for military radio telegraphers were much higher than for amateurs, and the military could not afford lots of time to train them. The "requirements for military radio telegraphers [sic]" topped out at 20 WPM for Army Field Radio MOS, The US Navy had higher requirements, Len. .. Same rate as amateur extras prior to 2000. Sunnuvagun! But not the same requirements, Len. Did the Army consider one minute out of five to be a passing grade? Did the Army use multiple-choice or fill-in-the-blank Morse Code tests? I stand by my statement. btw, the existence of such aptitude testing proves that the US military needed large numbers of Morse Code skilled radio operators during WW2. you just crapped. :-) What do you mean by that, Len? Is it some odd slang for "made a completely true and convincing statement"? All you have for "proof" of that is what the ARRL has written. Not at all, Len. It's the reason why such testing was done. Why else? World War II *ended* 61 years ago. [the Korean War has *never* ended...it is in a state of truce begun 53 years ago] So what? Morse Code played an important role in both. The "upgrade requirements" were lobbied for to emphasize morse code radiotelegraphy skill. That is history. Who lobbied for those requirements, Len? ARRL, of course. :-) Where is that documented? As with all US federal agencies, the FCC does accept citizen commentary to them regarding radio regulations. The FCC responds to Petitions submitted by US citizens in regards to those radio regulations. [however, not with blinding speeds of decision in regards to amateur radio] Nowhere does the FCC discriminate between those are already licensed in amateur radio versus those not licensed. FCC does not treat the group of already- licensed as some kind of fraternal order of the already- licensed to be listened to over and above all other interested citizens. The FCC accepts comments from everyone - not just citizens. No kidding?!? :-) Then explain the prevailing attitude in *here* (and you are one of them) about "only" licensed amateurs "should" comment about amateur radio regulations? :-) You are telling an untruth, Len. I have never stated anything like that. It does NOT affect those already legally licensed as radio amateurs...except in the limited conditions of certain already-licensed Technician classes. That code test does NOT legally affect ANY other already-licensed US radio amateur. It affects them in many ways. If amateur radio should change for the worse because of changes in license requirements, those who are already licensed would be affected. Why "worse," ? Afraid you won't have any new coders to play with? :-) Would you suffer Great Emotional Harm if the code test went away? WHY? You ALREADY have YOUR amateur extra class. What Great Emotional Harm came to you as a result of the zoning change in your neighborhood, Len? The change you tried to stop? Not true. If amateur radio is made worse by rules changes, all involved are affected. You, who are not involved, are unaffected. "Not involved?" :-) Yes, Len. You're not involved. You're not a radio amateur and will probably never be one. You don't make, sell or buy any products for the amateur radio market, you don't write books or articles for radio amateurs, and there's no indication you'll do any of that in the future. All you do is write a few long, error-filled posts in a couple of Usenet newsgroups and spam ECFS. Your boast about "going for Extra right out of the box" remains unfulfilled after almost 7 years. Amateur radio isn't like that. We use a shared and limited resource - the radio spectrum. So does CB. So does R-C. So does GMRS. So does GPS. So does Maritime Radio Service. So does GMDSS. So does Aviation Radio Service. So does Media [radio broadcasting]. So does the entire PLMRS...which includes all the public safety radio services, railroad radio service, business radio, paging services. So does cellular telephony. So does the US government and US military. Is there a point to all that? Don't get off on your "amateurs are conservators of the EM spectrum" kick you've done before. When did I say anything like that? Let's see your "proof", Len. |
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