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I wonder if Carl will be in attendance? --------------------------------------------- WRC-07 Preparations Dominate International Amateur Radio Union Calendar NEWINGTON, CT, Jan 11, 2007 -- Preparations for World Radiocommunication Conference 2007 (WRC-07) dominate this year's International Amateur Radio Union (IARU) calendar. The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) gathering will get under way in Geneva on October 22 and continue through November 16. Some items on the WRC-07 agenda have the potential to directly or indirectly impact Amateur Radio. "Agenda items of particular interest to the Amateur Services involve allocations in the 4-10 MHz range, a possible secondary allocation to the amateur service at 136 kHz, the modification of footnotes to the Table of Frequency Allocations, and the selection of agenda items for future WRCs, the next of which is tentatively slated for 2011," reports IARU Secretary David Sumner, K1ZZ, in the latest edition of the IARU E-Letter. WRC-07 agenda item 1.13 will review allocations to all services between 4 and 10 MHz, excluding allocations from 7000 to 7200 kHz -- settled to the advantage of Amateur Radio during WRC-03. Starting in March 2009, radio amateurs will enjoy a worldwide 200 kHz segment on 40 meters. WRC-07 delegates may revisit the 7200-7300 kHz segment with an eye toward attaining the IARU goal of a 300-kHz worldwide ham radio allocation, although no administration is known to be planning such a proposal. WRC-07 agenda item 1.15 will consider establishing a secondary Amateur Radio Service allocation in the band 135.7 to 137.8 kHz. Several countries already have allocated that LF spectrum to Amateur Radio, although the FCC several years ago turned away an ARRL proposal to create a sliver band there for ham radio. The next major WRC-07-related event is the Conference Preparatory Meeting (CPM) in Geneva February 19 through March 2. "The CPM will finalize the technical report that will guide the WRC delegates' work," Sumner says. He explains that drafting of the CPM Report has occupied several ITU Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) working parties for the past three years. The report provides background information on each WRC-07 agenda item, various methods of addressing the agenda items and the advantages and disadvantages of each. "The inclusion or exclusion of single words in the draft CPM Report has been the topic of spirited debate, which no doubt will continue at the CPM." Representing the IARU at the CPM will be IARU President Larry Price, W4RA, and Technical Representative Ken Pulfer, VE3PU. Other Amateur Radio representatives will be part of national delegations. Regional and national preparatory meetings leading up to WRC-07 continue. The IARU's three regional organizations are responsible for participating in the work of the regional telecommunications organizations, including but not limited to CEPT (Europe), ATU (Africa), CITEL (the Americas), and APT (Asia-Pacific). Domestic preparations are the responsibility of the IARU member-societies in the respective countries. The triennial conference of IARU Region 2 is another major 2007 IARU event. It takes place September 9-14 in Brasilia, Brazil. The 16th General Assembly of IARU Region 2 will bring together representatives of IARU member-societies from throughout the Americas to discuss matters of mutual interest and to elect officers for the next three years. |
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"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:
I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. The No-Code War Rally will simply change focus now. In another year or so, they'll set their focus on getting the FCC to reduce, or even eliminate entirely, the CW/data portions of the bands. For most, the No-Code War isn't (and never was) about code testing. It is about destroying a mode they feel, for whatever bizzare reason, threatened (or 'persecuted') by. You will no more see the No-Code Warriors disappear than you will see the Race Pimps disappear. 73 KH6HZ |
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KH6HZ wrote: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. The No-Code War Rally will simply change focus now. In another year or so, they'll set their focus on getting the FCC to reduce, or even eliminate entirely, the CW/data portions of the bands. The thought never enetered my mind. For most, the No-Code War isn't (and never was) about code testing. You're insane. It is about destroying a mode they feel, for whatever bizzare reason, threatened (or 'persecuted') by. We're not Robesin. We don't have to destroy those who disagree with us. You will no more see the No-Code Warriors disappear than you will see the Race Pimps disappear. 73 KH6HZ What are race pimps? |
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KH6HZ wrote: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. The No-Code War Rally will simply change focus now. In another year or so, they'll set their focus on getting the FCC to reduce, or even eliminate entirely, the CW/data portions of the bands. well the idea of ending the subbands is not abad one For most, the No-Code War isn't (and never was) about code testing. It is about destroying a mode they feel, for whatever bizzare reason, threatened (or 'persecuted') by. not even for me You will no more see the No-Code Warriors disappear than you will see the Race Pimps disappear. you may be right here but not for the reason you think i doubt I will allowed to clamly blend in on HF 73 KH6HZ |
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"KH6HZ" wrote in
: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. The No-Code War Rally will simply change focus now. In another year or so, they'll set their focus on getting the FCC to reduce, or even eliminate entirely, the CW/data portions of the bands. For most, the No-Code War isn't (and never was) about code testing. It is about destroying a mode they feel, for whatever bizzare reason, threatened (or 'persecuted') by. You will no more see the No-Code Warriors disappear than you will see the Race Pimps disappear. 73 KH6HZ That has nothing to do with WRC-07. There are no ITU requirements for mode subbands. There never have been. So my stetment that I doubt if Carl would be interested still stands. Of course, that's really for him to say. It is true that there will still be pressure on the FCC from phone ops to widen the phone subbands in the US. This is because the phone subbands are still narrower in the US than everywhere else on three bands - 40, 20 and 15. Some of us want to fix this, but I don't know anyone who wants to go beyond that. Abolition of mode subbands is just the simplest way to acheive that. In most countries this already how it is, but you aren't likely to hear phone below 7040, 14100 or 21150 respectively. You might hear that in a contest, but often contest rules don't allow any points for those QSOs. If you would rather just widen the phone subbands down to those frequencies that would be just as good as far as I am concerned, but ironically it would probably be harder to get that through the FCC, solely because it is more complicated than abolishing mode subbands altogether. None of this has ever been about wanting to destroy CW as a mode. you can dit and dah to your heart's content for all I care. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
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KH6HZ wrote: ah MD I did not recnize you the man of a thousand Callsisgns "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. The No-Code War Rally will simply change focus now. In another year or so, they'll set their focus on getting the FCC to reduce, or even eliminate entirely, the CW/data portions of the bands. perhaps some of us will persue that but not likely in a year or 2 But I see little reason for retaining them perhaps with time on HF I will change my my mind For most, the No-Code War isn't (and never was) about code testing. It is about destroying a mode they feel, for whatever bizzare reason, threatened (or 'persecuted') by. Not even one of the few noCoder to acualy hate code use thinks you and the rest should be forced to abandon that mode dispite the Fact I see it as not only unproductive and bad for the ARS but to propomote c utlure that threatens at times to harm the public interest as you are doing now by contiueing your hate filled vneddatat aginst those that beat your side dispite the tactic you used you were unable to beat NoCode face be a man and get over your defeat You will no more see the No-Code Warriors disappear than you will see the Race Pimps disappear. 73 KH6HZ |
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KH6HZ wrote: ah MD I did not recnize you the man of a thousand Callsisgns "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. Heh heh heh, Mark..."man of a thousand callsigns!" :-) Actually just about 12 ham calls plus a private ship radio license from the state of Washington...considering Mikey D. was a resident of Rhode Island at the time, it is difficult to recognize "residency" in two different far-apart states. He had another ship radio license for a motorboat at the same time, required mailing address given as Rhode Island. We did a lengthy bunch of posts on "the man of a thousand calls" several years ago in here. Eventually Mikey ran away from here. The FCC made him give up all his FAKE "club calls." The "clubs" just didn't exist. The last one to die was the one for the "RF Commandos!" :-) I don't think Alun was in here at the time. He would have enjoyed reading that series of posts, I think. :-) Aloha, LA |
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[blah blah blah] Diaper's still soiled, eh, Lennie? Visiting nurse hasn't shown up yet? |
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KH6HZ wrote: wrote: [blah blah blah] Diaper's still soiled, eh, Lennie? Visiting nurse hasn't shown up yet? nah steve has been silnet sine last weeks outburst well man of a thousand callsign how does it FEEL to be the only RRAPer known the have had the FCC act aginst him. I certainly have never receieved any letter from them myself and code testing is supoosed to weed out the bad one . so I guess you are just another case where it FAILED |
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"an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Charlie Rangel and Jesse Jackson who blame eveything wrong in the black comunity on the white rasism OFF TOPIC POST! -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"an_old_friend" wrote:
well man of a thousand callsign how does it FEEL to be the only RRAPer known the have had the FCC act aginst him. Which Part 97 rule did I violate, Morkie? I don't seem to ever recall getting a pink slip from the FCC telling me I've violated Part 97. I certainly have never receieved any letter from them myself Probably due to the fact, as someone else pointed out, your address is gibberish. and code testing is supoosed to weed out the bad one . so I guess you are just another case where it FAILED Where have I stated code testing weeds out anyone? Well... For years it weeded YOU out... so that certainly was a good thing, IMO. |
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wrote in message ... On 17 Jan 2007 03:56:34 -0800, wrote: A little on-topic discussion never hurt anything. except for the mind of Dave and Jim and Steve and Roger OFF TOPIC POST! hijacking these NG for your wars and vendaatas is what YOU do -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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From: "an_old_friend" on Mon, Jan 22 2007 8:47 am
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: KH6HZ wrote: ah MD I did not recnize you the man of a thousand Callsisgns "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. Heh heh heh, Mark..."man of a thousand callsigns!" :-) indeeed an exagertion or just a prediction of the result if if he been allowed to contiue I know that and you know that, but watch out for Jimmie NOserve...he is probably warming up to several years' worth of ruler-spanking by his Nun of the Above character all about exaggeration, etc. :-) Actually just about 12 ham calls plus a private ship radio license from the state of Washington...considering Mikey D. was a resident of Rhode Island at the time, it is difficult to recognize "residency" in two different far-apart states. He had another ship radio license for a motorboat at the same time, required mailing address given as Rhode Island. he sure did get around Well, in truth, we can't really prove he did anything other than falsify his amateur vanity callsign mailing address...and be forced to give up all his many "club" callsigns. [it was a "coincidence" is the strongest defence any sympathizer can come up with...] But, Deignan HAS NOT REFUTED HIS ALLEGED WASHINGTON BOAT RADIO LICENSE. All he did was try to invent a bunch of "infirmaties" about me, a supposed "polite" insult or suggest that bringing up a topic already done before is "obsession." Tsk. "Judge" Miccolis has already "ruled" that "there is no statute of limitations" in newsgroups! [did Jimmie get bit by a legal beagle in the butt?] I don't think Alun was in here at the time. He would have enjoyed reading that series of posts, I think. :-) it was interesting reading for this jerk to lectturing on lawlessness is hoot Oh, oh, now "Judge" Miccolis will make another "ruling!" It is "NOT" lawlessness...it is just "working around loop-holes in the law," all perfectly "legal" and acceptable. Have NO amateur license and one is a criminal. Have MANY amateur licenses, all active, and one is a valiant "hero!" Hoooo-RAWWHHHH! LA |
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KH6HZ wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote: well man of a thousand callsign how does it FEEL to be the only RRAPer known the have had the FCC act aginst him. Which Part 97 rule did I violate, Morkie? "Good Amateur Practice." I don't seem to ever recall getting a pink slip from the FCC telling me I've violated Part 97. Riley says good amatuer practice is enforceable. He enforced it on you. I certainly have never receieved any letter from them myself Probably due to the fact, as someone else pointed out, your address is gibberish. Only Riley is to judge. Meanwhile, Deignan has addresses scattered across the USA and perhaps several US possessions, courtesy of Coast Guard friednds... and code testing is supoosed to weed out the bad one . so I guess you are just another case where it FAILED Where have I stated code testing weeds out anyone? Below. Well... For years it weeded YOU out... so that certainly was a good thing, IMO. Mark has been a ham for years. |
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"Good Amateur Practice." No communication I ever received from the FCC ever cited "good amateur practice". Riley says good amatuer practice is enforceable. He enforced it on you. Cite anywhere in communications addressed from the FCC to me the words "good amateur practice". Sorry, doesn't exist. Only Riley is to judge. Meanwhile, Deignan has addresses scattered across the USA and perhaps several US possessions, courtesy of Coast Guard friednds... Or, could be having my own private jet affords me the luxury of easy interstate travel. Mark has been a ham for years. Alas, even RoundUp doesn't kill all the weeds you spray it on, so I suppose we can't expect the code-test to keep out all the undesirables, huh? |
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does it we have only your word on that or do we have even that Look it up for yourself, Morkie. The content of the FCC communications addressed to me are easy to obtain via Google. No where do they mention "good amateur practice", nor do they mention any violation of Part 97 (or any other federal regulation, for that matter). Sorry if that gets your panties in a wad, but thems the facts. your own private jet now? Well apparently (according to Lennie) I own an ocean-going trawler named Hornblower, so hell I must be able to afford my own private jet too. insteresting nonresponse but then you jerks can't deal with facts No, we can't deal with the gibberish you spew. |
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From: Alun L. Palmer on Sun, Jan 21 2007 4:30 pm "KH6HZ" wrote in "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. The No-Code War Rally will simply change focus now. In another year or so, they'll set their focus on getting the FCC to reduce, or even eliminate entirely, the CW/data portions of the bands. For most, the No-Code War isn't (and never was) about code testing. It is about destroying a mode they feel, for whatever bizzare reason, threatened (or 'persecuted') by. You will no more see the No-Code Warriors disappear than you will see the Race Pimps disappear. That has nothing to do with WRC-07. Quite true, Alun. The FCC Overseas Bureau has had documentation on WRC-07 for over a year...all the agenda items. No "mode sub-bands" for amateurs there. There are no ITU requirements for mode subbands. There never have been. So my stetment that I doubt if Carl would be interested still stands. Of course, that's really for him to say. Carl did not effect the almost-total revision of Radio Regulation S25 at WRC-03. The IARU wanted that for a couple years prior to 2003. While that included making the code test an option for all administration, there were many other changes also done to S25. It helped greatly that the chief representative of No-Code International was AT WRC-03, but the S25 changes would have been made regardless. The ARRL did not side with the IARU on removing the code test absolute requirement. It is true that there will still be pressure on the FCC from phone ops to widen the phone subbands in the US. This is because the phone subbands are still narrower in the US than everywhere else on three bands - 40, 20 and 15. Some of us want to fix this, but I don't know anyone who wants to go beyond that. If there is a movement of US citizens to change the amateur radio sub-bands, then that will be handled in normal fashion at the FCC, not in Geneva. A Petition will be sent, the FCC may publish that and as for Comments...or issue an NPRM on proposed revisions also asking for Comments. After the Comment period is over, there's a long, long wait for decisions, whether to be or not to be an R&O. After the R&O there will be a much longer period of cry-baby losers moaning, bitching, making threats and other fun stuff...some predicting the End Of The World...which it may be for some losers. :-) None of this has ever been about wanting to destroy CW as a mode. you can dit and dah to your heart's content for all I care. Quite true, Alun. However, I suspect the REAL problem is the PCTA attempting to keep their perceived power which they enjoyed prior to FCC 06-178...that and the readily-available (and standard) boasting of being a "20 WPM Tested" Extra. That made them "better" than anyone else and many got drunk on that "better-than-thou" elixir. Some went too far...such as the stunt that Deignan, Michael P. did in obtaining a Hawaii P.O. Box "address" in order to change from his old vanity KD1HZ to KH6HZ...plus inventing a dozen "clubs" (that never existed) and getting amateur radio "club" calls for them. While Deignan didn't quite do an illegal act, his actions DID violate the SPIRIT of the law. The FCC made him give up those calls for nonexistant clubs and forced him to identify his regular amateur call mailing address to his real residence. |
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From: Alun L. Palmer on Sun, Jan 21 2007 4:30 pm "KH6HZ" wrote in "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I doubt if Carl would be interested in attending. His single issue was abolition of code testing, and he WON that back in 2003. The No-Code War Rally will simply change focus now. In another year or so, they'll set their focus on getting the FCC to reduce, or even eliminate entirely, the CW/data portions of the bands. For most, the No-Code War isn't (and never was) about code testing. It is about destroying a mode they feel, for whatever bizzare reason, threatened (or 'persecuted') by. You will no more see the No-Code Warriors disappear than you will see the Race Pimps disappear. That has nothing to do with WRC-07. Quite true, Alun. The FCC Overseas Bureau has had documentation on WRC-07 for over a year...all the agenda items. No "mode sub-bands" for amateurs there. There are no ITU requirements for mode subbands. There never have been. So my stetment that I doubt if Carl would be interested still stands. Of course, that's really for him to say. Carl did not effect the almost-total revision of Radio Regulation S25 at WRC-03. The IARU wanted that for a couple years prior to 2003. While that included making the code test an option for all administration, there were many other changes also done to S25. It helped greatly that the chief representative of No-Code International was AT WRC-03, but the S25 changes would have been made regardless. The ARRL did not side with the IARU on removing the code test absolute requirement. It is true that there will still be pressure on the FCC from phone ops to widen the phone subbands in the US. This is because the phone subbands are still narrower in the US than everywhere else on three bands - 40, 20 and 15. Some of us want to fix this, but I don't know anyone who wants to go beyond that. If there is a movement of US citizens to change the amateur radio sub-bands, then that will be handled in normal fashion at the FCC, not in Geneva. A Petition will be sent, the FCC may publish that and as for Comments...or issue an NPRM on proposed revisions also asking for Comments. After the Comment period is over, there's a long, long wait for decisions, whether to be or not to be an R&O. After the R&O there will be a much longer period of cry-baby losers moaning, bitching, making threats and other fun stuff...some predicting the End Of The World...which it may be for some losers. :-) None of this has ever been about wanting to destroy CW as a mode. you can dit and dah to your heart's content for all I care. Quite true, Alun. However, I suspect the REAL problem is the PCTA attempting to keep their perceived power which they enjoyed prior to FCC 06-178...that and the readily-available (and standard) boasting of being a "20 WPM Tested" Extra. That made them "better" than anyone else and many got drunk on that "better-than-thou" elixir. Some went too far...such as the stunt that Deignan, Michael P. did in obtaining a Hawaii P.O. Box "address" in order to change from his old vanity KD1HZ to KH6HZ...plus inventing a dozen "clubs" (that never existed) and getting amateur radio "club" calls for them. While Deignan didn't quite do an illegal act, his actions DID violate the SPIRIT of the law. The FCC made him give up those calls for nonexistant clubs and forced him to identify his regular amateur call mailing address to his real residence. |
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The FCC made him give up those calls for nonexistant clubs and forced him to identify his regular amateur call mailing address to his real residence. You would be wrong. |
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somehow I just don't beleive you Well now, that's your problem, isn't it? |
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spewed forth the following gibberish: somehow I just don't beleive you Well now, that's your problem, isn't it? Didn't the bible say something like: Don't attempt to remove the toothpick in the other guys' eye, until first you have removed the log in your own? JS |
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obviously not I wasn't forced to surrender all my club callsigns, nor was I forced to change my address. So, Lennie would be wrong, no matter how much you'd like to attempt to rewrite history. |
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right I believe you NOT if you were nothing wrong then Ril;ey just out of the blue started picking on you lol. Don't need to believe me, Morkie. Look it up for yourself. My license had a Rhode Island mailing address long before Riley wrote me (easily verifiable via ULS, not to mention, I believe the online copies of the coorespondence clearly states it was mailed to my RI address) and I still am the holder of a club callsign, actively in use today as a beacon for foxhunts. Of course, I doubt you'll look it up... Facts would tend to get in the way of your deluded reality. |
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I know you had a number of club calls you don't now you amdit you got a letter from Riley and now you don't have em enough said I can't parse this. Want to try in English again Morkie? |
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Once again... What violation of Part 97 was I cited by the FCC for violating? Which federal statute was I charged with violating? Free clues for ya: None, and none. |
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you know as well as I Yes, we both know. None. Zilch. El-Squato. Oops... that last one has a subliminal sexual overtone. Didn't mean to get you hot and bothered, Morkie. fraud I was? Odd. Are you aware of a fraud conviction I have which apparently I wasn't at the trial for? If you are, you might want to let the AG in my state know, since they'd want to revolk my concealed carry permit. No? Didn't think so. Just pulling facts out of yer arse (along with other unmentionable vibrating objects, no doubt) At no time in any correspondence addressed to me by the FCC was I ever charged -- or even *accused* for that matter -- of violating any section of Part 97, or any federal statute, for that matter. Sux to be you, eh, Morkie? only becuase riley was generous and you were wise enough not to fight Oh, I'm sure if there was a violation of Part 97, or any other federal statute, that Riley wouldn't have had any problem indicating such in his correspondence to me. Unfortunately for you, reality is otherwise, Morkie. |
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On Jan 23, 12:07 am, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: "Good Amateur Practice." No communication I ever received from the FCC ever cited "good amateur practice". No, it would cite the items which were poor amateur practice, like scarfing up a lot of callsigns... Riley says good amatuer practice is enforceable. He enforced it on you.Cite anywhere in communications addressed from the FCC to me the words "good amateur practice". Sorry, doesn't exist. The words, "good amateur practice" do not have to appear on the communication. It is enforceable, none-the-less. Only Riley is to judge. Meanwhile, Deignan has addresses scattered across the USA and perhaps several US possessions, courtesy of Coast Guard friends... Or, could be having my own private jet affords me the luxury of easy interstate travel. Did you get wealthy scarfing up other public assets, or was callsign collecting just a hobby? Mark has been a ham for years. Alas, even RoundUp doesn't kill all the weeds you spray it on, so I suppose we can't expect the code-test to keep out all the undesirables, huh? Can the RF Commandos kill all the weeds, or are they as impotent as RoundUp? |
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No, it would cite the items which were poor amateur practice, like scarfing up a lot of callsigns... There is no restriction in Part 97 or any other federal regulation which limits the number of callsigns an individual can be assigned. Please play again soon. Did you get wealthy scarfing up other public assets, or was callsign collecting just a hobby? No, I'm a shipping mogul with an ocean-going trawler. Can the RF Commandos kill all the weeds, or are they as impotent as RoundUp? We just do DFing. We leave the wetwork for others. |
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On Jan 23, 11:44 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: No, it would cite the items which were poor amateur practice, like scarfing up a lot of callsigns... There is no restriction in Part 97 or any other federal regulation which limits the number of callsigns an individual can be assigned. It's not in the Gospel according to St Hiram, either, but Riley became your penpal for a reason. Can you tell us what that reason is? Please play again soon. Hey, I'm not the one with the penpal from the FCC. Did you get wealthy scarfing up other public assets, or was callsign collecting just a hobby? No, I'm a shipping mogul with an ocean-going trawler. Sure you are. Can the RF Commandos kill all the weeds, or are they as impotent as RoundUp? We just do DFing. Dump Hucking? We leave the wetwork for others. So the RF Commandos are not a brain trust? |
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