On Jan 28, 11:44 am, John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ...

JS, I dunno. You have to recall that for the very longest time (and
still) there has been prejudice against No-Code Technicians. They are
"stupid, lazy, knuckledraggers with southern accents, welfare mothers
of color with their hands out, etc, etc, etc."

[and those were the least derogatory comments! :-) ]

Only recently have people questioned the megalomania of certain
Extras, their need to have a government crutch to maintain their self-
worth and status, etc.

[Okay, I'm not a "people"...I was saying that years ago :-)]

So just as the sword began to cut both ways...

What you won't be able to get to in this "judge ideas, and take posts
at face value" is the motivations of individuals who present ideas,
and make posts at face value. For example, we will never know why
people would eat Robesin's excrement, only that he says they do.

HHAC:

Yes, there is "prejudice" and it has been there a long, long time, I
kinda of like the ncts though (no code techs.) I think they may be
individuals who have no talent for code, are busy supporting a family
and use more of their time paying bills and medical expenses, more than
anything else--yes, paul and his bunch call them names ...

I haven't seen that from Paul.

I agree but only part way. Schleck's explanations word
it as if there was "never" any moderator activity anywhere
else and his Usenet-Internet group is the "only" group
that can handle it.

That is, to put it most delicately, utter cow-flop. The BBSs
were beginning to go national in networking in the early 1980s
and hundreds of BBS Sysops were having to MODERATE thousands
of users and subscribers. Their executive (main computer)
software was already designed with Moderator's Controls to
effect that moderation. I was there. I saw it. I used it.
I've even talked to two different BBS software writer-
designers. I've been a moderator on three different BBSs.

Apparently that doesn't "count." quizical look Not of
academia (despite having macadmias) I am brushed aside.

It SEEMS to be the usual academic NIT syndrome. It SEEMS
like only THEY (the academics) have the "smarts" to do it.
The usual brush-aside is mentioning USENET out of ARPANET,
supposedly all academic institutions. Actually no, both
involved BOTH academia and corporations involved in defense
work as well as instrumentation makers. Tsk, I was there
on ARPANET for a short while, on USENET for a short while.
Be damned if I ever saw any "moderation" on either many
years ago. :-(

And, yes, EXTRA class license holders tend to think of that paper as a
doctor degree--but, a doctorate degree in what, a darn hobby? It isn't ...

When I see a ham behaving badly, it doesn't surprise me when I learn
that the ham is an Extra. That isn't to say that all Extras behave
badly.

It's almost a truism that the visible percentage of voluble
amateur extras in here are that way. They wound so easily,
the poor dears.

KH2D for example. I consider him a friend. Most of the hams that
I've agreed with and disagreed with on RRAP could be a friend should I
ever meet them in person. There are several who I think are
dangerous.

By example of early DeJaVu archives (now Google's), Jim
Kehler was, in my honest opinion, one of the WORST of the
sarcastic, arrogant, in-your-face sort in his postings to
me. I'm sorry if that bothers you, Brian, but this
target of his frustrations and sarcasm didn't much like
him. I classify Cranky Spanky as a junior grade sissy
version of Kehler. Too bad Cranky was never stuck on
Guam for years...he would have loved being where all the
comms to the rest of the world were by HF. Wonder if
Cranky has ever taken up golf? :-)

I think after all the nicey-nice backslapping on the moderated group,
they'll get sick of hearing the same-o, same-o from their cloned
bretheren and be back on RRAP to hear what thinking people have to
say.

HAR! Beautiful, Brian. :-)

They will find, after a while, that their little clubhouse
elite is a very small place after all. Claustrophobia
will set in or they will get drunk on their own high-fives.
Or, they might bail to other places like eham.net and make
out like they single-handedly worked stations side by side
with Maxim or Marconi doing "pioneering" adventures in
radio...that none of them could possibly have done.

146s,
LA