Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

robert casey wrote:
At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

Why? Just call CQ at your comfortable code speed or
answer CQs in your speed range. That's what I do.
If someone gets too fast, ask them to QRS. If they
won't slow down, try QFU. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

"robert casey" wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not going
to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an informal
subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

Why not the Novice CW sub-bands?

Sounds like a good idea to me, to help those who want to learn.

73
kh6hz

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

"KH6HZ" wrote in message
...
"robert casey" wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an informal
subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

Why not the Novice CW sub-bands?

Sounds like a good idea to me, to help those who want to learn.

73
kh6hz

I'd recommend that they go to frequencies in the general area of the FISTS
calling frequencies. This group is always willing to help a new comer and
there are people who regularly hang out there listening for someone new.

The old Novice bands would be a bit of a problem. With the change in
allocations that went into effect on December 15th, the 80m Novice subband
is now filled with SSB transmissions. Half of the 40m subband is also now
used for SSB.

Dee, N8UZE

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 8, 9:37 pm, robert casey wrote:
At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

50 Khz up from the lower edges of the five traditional HF bands.

Quadruple the number of minutes per week W1AW & Co. transmits 5, 7.5
and 10WPM code practice sessions.

w3rv

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 8, 10:40 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"robert casey" wrote:
At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not going
to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an informal
subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

Why not the Novice CW sub-bands?

Sounds like a good idea to me, to help those who want to learn.

73
kh6hz

That didn't work so well for me 20 years ago, why would it be any
different today?

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

wrote:

That didn't work so well for me 20 years ago, why would it be any
different today?

Attitude.

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

wrote:


likely to be worse if Dee is correct in forming us that the novice cw
bands have had general phone pushed into them for phone ops

Dee may be correct regarding competition for band space. However, I still
think more operators are likely to know where the 'novice' subbands are
located (most hams have a band-plan chart somewhere in their shack) than
they are going to know the 'FISTS' regular calling frequencies.

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

"KH6HZ" wrote in message
...
wrote:


likely to be worse if Dee is correct in forming us that the novice cw
bands have had general phone pushed into them for phone ops

Dee may be correct regarding competition for band space. However, I still
think more operators are likely to know where the 'novice' subbands are
located (most hams have a band-plan chart somewhere in their shack) than
they are going to know the 'FISTS' regular calling frequencies.


Correction to Mark's comment. I said phone NOT General phone. It went to
the Advanced and Extra licensees.

With so many having internet access these days, it's not hard to find the
FISTS calling frequencies.

However, I'd recommend to the new people that they be the ones to call CQ.
Since the courteous thing to do is to answer a CQ at the speed it is sent,
they have a very good chance of getting someone who will slow down for them.

Dee, N8UZE

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 8, 9:37�pm, robert casey wrote:
At some point, there will be hams on
HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air.

Yup.

*Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first.

Let's not assume that.

*So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

3.525 to 3.600 MHz
7.025 to 7.125 MHz
21.025 to 21.200 MHz
28.0 to 28.5 MHz

Right now, all the above frequencies are available to all FCC licensed
amateurs who have passed a Morse Code test. They are the current
"Novice bands".

On February 23, they will be available to all FCC licensed amateurs.

What better place to use Morse Code?

I suggest 3.550 and 7.050 as "watering holes".

73 de Jim, N2EY

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

"Dee Flint" wrote:

With so many having internet access these days, it's not hard to find the
FISTS calling frequencies.

Yeah, but how many people KNOW about FISTS to begin with?

Frankly, the first time I heard about them was in this newsgroup.

The Novice subbands are much more "well known" than FISTS or their calling
frequencies.


However, I'd recommend to the new people that they be the ones to call CQ.
Since the courteous thing to do is to answer a CQ at the speed it is sent,
they have a very good chance of getting someone who will slow down for
them.

Whenever I operate in the novice subbands, I always send CQ at 7-10wpm. I
figure a little faster will help the folks I communicate with get their
speed up, but I certainly slow down if requested.

just my .02

73
kh6hz

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

wrote:

likely to be worse if Dee is correct in forming us that the novice cw
bands have had general phone pushed into them for phone ops
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and then later attempted to recant with:

corection to your corection I said nothing about licesne class



You most certainly did say "general phone".

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 5:26 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote:
That didn't work so well for me 20 years ago, why would it be any
different today?

Attitude.

I don't think so. My attitude about the code was much better when I
was a Novice.

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 2:16 am, wrote:
On Feb 8, 9:37 pm, robert casey wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

50 Khz up from the lower edges of the five traditional HF bands.

Quadruple the number of minutes per week W1AW & Co. transmits 5, 7.5
and 10WPM code practice sessions.

w3rv

How 'bout 14.007?

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 7:42 pm, wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:16 am, wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:37 pm, robert casey wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

50 Khz up from the lower edges of the five traditional HF bands.

Quadruple the number of minutes per week W1AW & Co. transmits 5, 7.5
and 10WPM code practice sessions.

w3rv

How 'bout 14.007?

Get a life and put up an antenna Burke.

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 9, 2:16 am, wrote:
On Feb 8, 9:37 pm, robert casey wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code
test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

50 Khz up from the lower edges of the five traditional HF bands.

Quadruple the number of minutes per week W1AW & Co. transmits 5, 7.5
and 10WPM code practice sessions.

w3rv

How 'bout 14.007?


Not universal enough as Techs and Generals cannot operate there.

Dee, N8UZE

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 6:29 pm, wrote:
On Feb 8, 9:37?pm, robert casey wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on
HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air.

Yup.

?Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first.

Let's not assume that.

?So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

3.525 to 3.600 MHz
7.025 to 7.125 MHz
21.025 to 21.200 MHz
28.0 to 28.5 MHz

Right now, all the above frequencies are available to all FCC licensed
amateurs who have passed a Morse Code test. They are the current
"Novice bands".

On February 23, they will be available to all FCC licensed amateurs.

What better place to use Morse Code?

I suggest 3.550 and 7.050 as "watering holes".

Counterproposal:

For Casey's concept to work the QRS freqs should be where the CW
activity lives in it's largest volumes 24/7. 40M any time but mostly
at night and 20M anytime but mostly during daylight hours.

It's unreasonable to expect slocode learners and elmers to latch up
reliably on more than a couple bands at most. So there goes 80, 15,
10M and the WARC bands.

7.050 at the top of the hour and 14.050 at the half hour marks.

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv










73 de Jim, N2EY

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 10:09 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...



On Feb 9, 2:16 am, wrote:
On Feb 8, 9:37 pm, robert casey wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on HF who have not passed a code
test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air. Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first. So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

50 Khz up from the lower edges of the five traditional HF bands.

Quadruple the number of minutes per week W1AW & Co. transmits 5, 7.5
and 10WPM code practice sessions.

w3rv

How 'bout 14.007?

Not universal enough as Techs and Generals cannot operate there.

He knows that Dee, ignore him, he's just being a mindless jerk as
usual

Dee, N8UZE

w3rv

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 11:47?pm, wrote:
On Feb 9, 6:29 pm, wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:37?pm, robert casey wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on
HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air.

Yup.

?Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first.

Let's not assume that.

?So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

3.525 to 3.600 MHz
7.025 to 7.125 MHz
21.025 to 21.200 MHz
28.0 to 28.5 MHz

Right now, all the above frequencies are available to all FCC licensed
amateurs who have passed a Morse Code test. They are the current
"Novice bands".

On February 23, they will be available to all FCC licensed amateurs.

What better place to use Morse Code?

I suggest 3.550 and 7.050 as "watering holes".

Counterproposal:

For Casey's concept to work the QRS freqs should be where the CW
activity lives in it's largest volumes 24/7. 40M any time but mostly
at night and 20M anytime but mostly during daylight hours.

Techs and Novices don't have 20. Late at night
even 40 gets iffy.

It's unreasonable to expect slocode learners and elmers to latch up
reliably on more than a couple bands at most. So there goes 80, 15,
10M and the WARC bands.

At this time of the sunspot cycle, 80 is the most reliable after
dark.

Novices and Techs don't have the WARC bands so they're not a good
choice.

7.050 at the top of the hour and 14.050 at the half hour marks.

Works for me. Plus 3.550 on the quarter hours

73 de Jim, N2EY

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 11:55 pm, wrote:
On 9 Feb 2007 20:54:01 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 9, 10:09 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...
How 'bout 14.007?

Not universal enough as Techs and Generals cannot operate there.

He knows that Dee, ignore him, he's just being a mindless jerk as
usual

you are being your normal insulting ass but that is ok for an extra op
right

Correct. Kelly the Cubby Bootlegger can hurl insults because he is
untouchable. He is an Extra.

The significance of 14.007? None other than that's where the elitists
hang out.

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 6:29 pm, wrote:
On Feb 8, 9:37?pm, robert casey wrote:

At some point, there will be hams on
HF who have not passed a code test,
but want to give Morse code a try on the air.

Yup.

?Of course they're not
going to be that skillful at first.

Let's not assume that.

The days of the amateur world getting 40WPM ditty boppers from the
military or Western Union are long gone. You'll have to home grow any
new converts. Expect them to be less than skillful.

Should one come along that is skillful, you won't be able to tell if
they've passed a code test or not. Your eleitist attitude will make
you think they have.

?So maybe there should be an
informal subband or frequency for beginners and elmers to hang out.

3.525 to 3.600 MHz
7.025 to 7.125 MHz
21.025 to 21.200 MHz
28.0 to 28.5 MHz

14.007 MHz

Right now, all the above frequencies are available to all FCC licensed
amateurs who have passed a Morse Code test. They are the current
"Novice bands".

On February 23, they will be available to all FCC licensed amateurs.

What better place to use Morse Code?

I suggest 3.550 and 7.050 as "watering holes".

73 de Jim, N2EY

Fair enough. Have you deconflicted these freqs with other modes?

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

On Feb 9, 11:47 pm, wrote:

7.050 at the top of the hour and 14.050 at the half hour marks.

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

Hey, Sparky, what about the silent periods?

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

Dave Heil wrote:
Can you tell us the frequencies where Morse Code may not be used?

60m?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Can you tell us the frequencies where Morse Code may not be used?

60m?

That's the area. I was hoping hot-ham-and-cheese would be able to tell
us. It looks like everything on the suggested frequencies has been
"deconflicted".

Dave K8MN

Is there, or should there be, a Morse code beginner's frequency?
 

Can you tell us the frequencies where Morse Code may not be used?


Most anywhere, exceptions like 60m do exist. However, it would be a
wise move to pick frequencies where other hams usually do CW, in
accordance with various band plans. After all, the whole point is to
find other hams to work CW with, and that probably won't happen in the
middle of a phone subband. Or on a 2m frequency that happens to be a
repeater input...