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From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical


A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.
If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.


True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby
activity.


I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word
"hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio.


I've told you a number of times that YOU are NOT the FCC and
HAVE NO AUTHORITY over amateur radio.


But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted
(terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes,
especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their
beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down
(and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee.


That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of
reality, you're sticking to it.


It IS reality.

Just how long have you had this idea that you are NOBILITY?

Did God give that to you or did you develop it on your own?


If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur
radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true
today.


So? I took and passed all the test elements for a US amateur
radio license on 25 Feb 07. The FCC (not your royal asshole
self) granted me an AMATEUR EXTRA class license on 7 Mar 07.

Lets see...before 7 Mar 07 you couldn't say enough bad things
about me BECAUSE I didn't have any amateur radio license...now
after 7 Mar 07 and the grant of AMATEUR EXTRA you STILL can't
say enough bad things, can't denigrate me enough.

I'd say you have one great big whopper of a PERSONALITY CONFLICT
filled with hate and bile because you can't put me down, can't
silence me, can't change my mind. Ergo, YOU MUST RULE. Sorry,
you DO NOT rule. You don't even work in the FCC.


WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he
states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war."


The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. If you're going to play
Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info.


Evasion, ambiguity, attempt to misdirect.

Classic "Major Dud" Robeson responses in here for years.

Are you a Robeson Clone? You sure sound like one.

*WHAT* did Heil *DO* in Vietnam? Try to be more specific
than "serving his country" or being "in a country at war."

Did Heil spot artillery fall? Was he under "incoming?" How
did David Heil get the experience-granted "authority" to
denigrate anyone who has had that experience?

Try answering challenges DIRECTLY and not evading or misdirecting
every single question. [not that I expect such things but one
has to ask...]


Where did you see me writing of myself?


Everywhere that is free...certainly here in describing your
adventures in Embassy postings...on two websites elsewhere.
I'm not that concerned with boy-wonder rock musician turned
"diplomat" that I care to look unless someone sends me the
web addresses.

For example, you described your "synchronization of TTYs via
morse code communications"...in 1980...as a "good idea."
AS IF radio teletype hasn't been used for 50 years before that.

JIM has forty years more experience that you.


He has? He was born in 1892?!?

"Radio" has been around as a communications medium only since
1896. JIMMIE Miccolis must be a "true pioneer" in radio!

Hmmm...let's see...born in 1892, the first US radio regulating
agency begun in 1912...he got his Amateur Extra at age 20?

Wow! I can't top that, nossir! Neither can you, your Grateness.


You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility.


Who is "Jim?" :-)


Welp, I looked through Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. and NOWHERE
does it say I have to bow down to any Grate Ones in amateur
radio nor even disturb them (into being "honked off") by
comments in a newsgroup.

What are you going to do NOW, your Grateness? Write Special
Counsel Riley Hollingsworth and demand the FCC take away my
amateur radio license due to "bad attitudes?"

Poor baby. Still honked off because you can't put me down,
can't silence my comments with all your mighty denigrations
and put-downs? You must be. That seems to be all you do.

Ya know, nowhere in Title 47 C.F.R. does it say anything about
"beginners, neophytes, wet-behind-the-ears tyros" or other
blabbering to me you and JIMMIE Miccolis have done. I am
a United States Amateur Extra class amateur licensee by a
grant from the United States Federal Communications
Commission. I took and passed all the required tests in one
license exam session, thus qualifying for the colloquial
ham radio expression of "Extra out of the box."

YOU don't like that. MICCOLIS doesn't like that. Both of
you think I should have "tested for International Morse
Code cognition" during my amateur license exam. Sorry,
but that wasn't a legal requirement.

No matter, both of you would have tried to PUT ME DOWN
because the old code test rate was only 5 WPM and you
"masters of radio operating" can do much faster code. :-)

Heh, the actual test-and-passing wouldn't have made any
change in your Gratenesses' attempts at put-downs. You both
have been doing that since before and after I tested-and-
passed! :-) Only your steamed Gratenesses' words were
interchanged slightly before and after my test. :-)



To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that
hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't
make such a statement.


Then WHO writes all your postings for you?

An alternate personality? [getting to be more like The
Robesin every day...]

If YOU - or whoever is impersonating you - writes a
statement in here, then whatever you write "is attributed
to you."

Is that too complex for you to understand?


Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!


You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of
occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further
attention to himself by braying about it.


If MICCOLIS were MORE CIVIL he wouldn't constantly be bringing
up OLD arguments, OLD postings, that were dropped by others long
ago. Neither would he be trying to MANUFACTURE "errors" and
"facts" OUT OF CONTEXT. You do that also, but JIMMIE Miccolis
makes it a de facto career.


Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)


The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an
apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same
apprentice level.


God forbid the Grate Heil being an "APPRENTICE" level in
anything! :-)

Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are
the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and
study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or
the highway, but the Air Force way.


So you DID get the free USAF training. You said you hadn't.

Oh, my, such inconsistency in your "factual" statements!


As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio.


The United States Army does NOT use the term "boot" except
for foot apparel. "Boot" is a USN term for RECRUITS.

You want me to attend Basic Training ALL OVER AGAIN?

Stupid man, you just can't stop your attempts at put-
downs of others, can you?

Stupid man, the laws of physics work the SAME for amateur
radio as it does for ALL OTHER RADIO SERVICES. The only
"differences" lie in the (sometimes warped) mental attitudes
of others...such as yourself, plus some adminstrative
differentiations applied by the single U.S. civil radio
regulating agency, the FCC.

United States amateur radio is NOT a military or para-
military "service." It is not a craft, a guild, or union
that has "apprentice, journeyman, master" skill levels.
It isn't even a "national service." US amateur radio is
defined by the FCC for administrative purposes in
differentiating between different radio services. The
word "service" as used in all of Title 47 C.F.R. is a
regulatory term defining the type and kind of radio
activity being regulated by them.

You're green--a beginner.


You are an antagonistic asshole who can't stop trying to
put down your newsgroup "enemies" with the slightest
denigrations you can dream up.

I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case.
You're a neophyte, a beginner.


You've REALLY got a hard one in trying to put me down.
You ought to experience some catharsis, such as writing
Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth about my "negligent
attitude at now taking your Grateness 'advice.'" Maybe,
with the "help" of your elected representatives, you can
force the FCC to change my license to Technician!

Or, you could get some mental counseling and LOSE your
antagoinistic I-am-superior attitude. Nobody has to
kiss YOUR ass, salute you, or give up their seat on the
amateur bus to you just because you are the Mighty Heil.


I fully accept that
you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra.


Tsk, you had to add the qualifier "currently in place!" :-)

Why would anyone HAVE to pass requisite exams for any
OTHER era?

How could anyone possibly pass requisite exams for a
FUTURE era?

I obeyed the LAW. I passed. In ONE EXAM SESSION.


You've been issued a license.


NO! I was GRANTED an amateur radio license by the FCC.

If you must be the irritating, anatagonistic asshole about
WORDS, try to use the CORRECT ones!

I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age.


Tsk, tsk! You've done that consistently, old man.

You now have an amateur radio license.


Amateur Extra class.

Yes, it complements the First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial)
Operators License I was granted in March, 1956, and kept
renewed until FCC regulations changed to make it a "GROL"
with NO renewals necessary.

Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio.


Is that a COMMAND, your Grateness?

Believe it or not, individuals are allowed a great freedom
to do what THEY want, not what you "command."

I will DO with MY amateur radio license what *I* choose to
do...always keeping within the letter and spirit of the LAW
(not working Frenchmen out of band on 6m).


I BEGAN in big-time radio...


snip of irrelevant reruns


Exactly WHAT is "irrelevant" about MY life experience, your
Grateness? Other than my being a perceived newsgroup "enemy"
of yours?

The US Army didn't have - or allow - any "skipping of (union-
grade) levels." I went to my assigned Signal School and
learned my military occupation specialty. I was assigned to
the third-largest US Army radio communications transmitter
site located in Tokyo. I learned to operate, maintain, and
(slightly later after arrival) to supervise fixed station
transmitters. I also learned to operate, maintain, and
supervise VHF-UHF radio relay equipment other than the
microwave radio relay equipment. I also tried to learn all
I could about communications, taking advantage of the
situation. That station DID operate "24/7" and all (not on
authorized leave) were available 24/7.

Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses
attitude of "beginners."


I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license.


You act the contemptible HYPOCRITE, Heil. You've spent a
long, long message trying to put me down through all of it.
Now you try the "nice-nice" route with the "congratulations."

You are about as two-faced a Janus as I've ever met.

Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal.


Keep YOUR mouth and keyboard SHUT once in a while and YOU
might learn to be a civil human being.

That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio.


See, the WRONG side of the Janus face gets all the attention
and it MUST mouth off with "advice."

The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio.


The "fact" is that you are an asshole of a human being
wannabe, Heil.

You have much to learn.


YOU have MUCH MUCH MORE to learn about getting along with
others. OFF radio.

You aren't an instant expert, Len.


I don't pretend to be. Why do YOU pretend to be an "expert?"

Other than with morse code mode communications, that is.

You come back ONLY when you've had PART of the experience
I've had in OTHER radio services, INCLUDING radio as used
by the Department of Defense in various contracting jobs
(NO license necessary).

Don't try to snow the other hams with your "State Departement"
radio officer stuff. You were a civilian government
employee (regardless of the fancy-schmancy Title you love
to drop) for under 20 years. Your Big Claim is BEING DX
for radio amateurs through your posting in Finland and
African countries. Did the FCC post you there? Did the
ARRL send you there? NO to both. So try being a HUMAN
BEING. It must be hard for you to do that, but TRY.

You are NOT in "command." You have NO "authority." Try
to remember that next time you use your "authority" to
"command" others to do something, anything.

AF6AY

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AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical


A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.
If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.
True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby
activity.

I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word
"hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio.


I've told you a number of times that YOU are NOT the FCC and
HAVE NO AUTHORITY over amateur radio.


Are you losing control of yourself, Leonard? I wrote nothing about my
being the FCC. I told you that the FCC does not use the word "hobby" to
define amateur radio. It's a fact!


But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted
(terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes,
especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their
beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down
(and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee.


That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of
reality, you're sticking to it.


It IS reality.


No, Leonard, it is not. In fact, if you'll read your own words, just
down the page, you'll see a guy with a brand new callsign acting as if
he were very conscious of his new found RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES.

Just how long have you had this idea that you are NOBILITY?


Did God give that to you or did you develop it on your own?


Wow, you *are* losing it. I wrote nothing of NOBILITY or God.


If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur
radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true
today.


So? I took and passed all the test elements for a US amateur
radio license on 25 Feb 07. The FCC (not your royal asshole
self) granted me an AMATEUR EXTRA class license on 7 Mar 07.


So I've noted. I've noted written that I handed you your new license.

Lets see...before 7 Mar 07 you couldn't say enough bad things
about me BECAUSE I didn't have any amateur radio license...now
after 7 Mar 07 and the grant of AMATEUR EXTRA you STILL can't
say enough bad things, can't denigrate me enough.


Well, when you're an unbearable horse's patoot *without* an amateur
radio license and an unbearable horse's patoot *with* an amateur radio
license, it couldn't have been much of a surprise to you.

I'd say you have one great big whopper of a PERSONALITY CONFLICT
filled with hate and bile because you can't put me down...


Putting you down hasn't proven to be the least bit difficult.

can't silence me,


I can't actually hear you, Len. Unlike you, I've never ordered anyone
to leave the newsgroup. :-)

...can't change my mind.


You've done that on your own on a number of occasions. :-)

Ergo, YOU MUST RULE. Sorry,
you DO NOT rule. You don't even work in the FCC.


I've never claimed to "work in the FCC." We're in the same boat.
Neither of us works for the FCC.


WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he
states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war."


The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. If you're going to play
Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info.


Evasion, ambiguity, attempt to misdirect.


Why should you change tactics now? I'm used to seeing your evasion,
ambiguity and attempts to misdirect. I gave you factual information.

Classic "Major Dud" Robeson responses in here for years.


It can't be much of a classic. There's no Major Dud posting here.

Are you a Robeson Clone? You sure sound like one.


I'm not using any usenet technology you could possibly hear, Len.

*WHAT* did Heil *DO* in Vietnam? Try to be more specific
than "serving his country" or being "in a country at war."


What is it to you, Len? I'm not feeding you information.

Did Heil spot artillery fall? Was he under "incoming?" How
did David Heil get the experience-granted "authority" to
denigrate anyone who has had that experience?


I've not denigrated *anyone* who has had that experience. I have
denigrated at least one individual who has not had the experience but
who wrote about it as if he had.

Try answering challenges DIRECTLY and not evading or misdirecting
every single question. [not that I expect such things but one
has to ask...]


I've told you quite DIRECTLY that I've seen what you do with a little
information. You don't have any and I'm not providing it for you.
Now what will you do?


You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.


I'm sure he'll catsup quick.


He'll have forty years experience in forty years.


Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority.


He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority."


reinsertion of relative material snipped by Len

Where did you see me writing of myself? You have a terrible personal case
of inferiority.


Everywhere that is free...certainly here in describing your
adventures in Embassy postings...on two websites elsewhere.


Let's keep you honest, shall we? I reinserted the material you snipped
in an effort to make it appear that you responded to something other
than that under discussion. Anyone can look at the reinserted material
and see your tactic.

I'm not that concerned with boy-wonder rock musician turned
"diplomat" that I care to look unless someone sends me the
web addresses.


You must have missed a bunch of bio material, Len. I worked in
broadcast radio in Miami and Cincinnati, was an outside salesman for a
couple of industrial electronics distributors, played in a traveling
rock band and was ten years with Cincinnati's Big Joe Duskin. You can
even Google Duskin if you like. Don't forget the other classified info:
I worked part-time at Sears as a high schooler and my car is yellow.

For example, you described your "synchronization of TTYs via
morse code communications"...in 1980...as a "good idea."


Your quotes are selective and you shouldn't have used the word "your".

AS IF radio teletype hasn't been used for 50 years before that.


I made no statement to the time frame in which teletype was used.

JIM has forty years more experience that you.


He has? He was born in 1892?!?


Awww, the old gent is becoming forgetful! He didn't remember that we
were discussing amateur radio.


You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility.


Who is "Jim?" :-)


:-) :-) :-) :-)

Welp, I looked through Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. and NOWHERE
does it say I have to bow down to any Grate Ones in amateur
radio nor even disturb them (into being "honked off") by
comments in a newsgroup.


Nope, you may continue with your usual tactics, in which case you'll
continue to receive what you dish out.

What are you going to do NOW, your Grateness? Write Special
Counsel Riley Hollingsworth and demand the FCC take away my
amateur radio license due to "bad attitudes?"


I'm dealing with your attitude this very moment.

Poor baby. Still honked off because you can't put me down...


That's easily done. Its effectiveness is indicated when you start
coming unglued.

can't silence my comments...


I can't hear your comments. I've never suggested that you take your
usenet posts elsewhere or that you stop. You've suggested that
newsgroup posters do both.

...with all your mighty denigrations
and put-downs? You must be. That seems to be all you do.


I'm not going to silence you. I'm not going to tell you to go
elsewhere. I'm going to counter you and make you an object of ridicule.

Ya know, nowhere in Title 47 C.F.R. does it say anything about
"beginners, neophytes, wet-behind-the-ears tyros" or other
blabbering to me you and JIMMIE Miccolis have done.


That doesn't mean there are no beginners in amateur radio. Everyone
with an amateur radio license was a newcomer at some point. Only you
are trying to deny your beginner status.

I am
a United States Amateur Extra class amateur licensee by a
grant from the United States Federal Communications
Commission.


Yep, and you're a beginner in amateur radio.

I took and passed all the required tests in one
license exam session...


Yep, you have the license. You're now a neophyte in amateur radio.

...thus qualifying for the colloquial
ham radio expression of "Extra out of the box."


....but not qualifying for the colloquial amateur radio expression "Extra
*right* out of the box."

YOU don't like that.


I'm rather ambivalent on the issue. I don't want to hang out with you.
I don't want you as an on-air pal. I really don't expect to encounter
you on the ham bands.

MICCOLIS doesn't like that.


Well, ANDERSON, I don't really know whether he does or not.

Both of
you think I should have "tested for International Morse
Code cognition" during my amateur license exam.


You know and I know and Jim knows that the 5 wpm Morse Code test had you
beat. You got the license the way you could get the license.

Sorry,
but that wasn't a legal requirement.


You got that part right. You waited for regs to change. It was a very,
very long wait.

No matter, both of you would have tried to PUT ME DOWN
because the old code test rate was only 5 WPM and you
"masters of radio operating" can do much faster code. :-)


I run into a number of folks who can't do high speed CW and whom I've
never "put down". It must be something about you and your attitude. :-)

Heh, the actual test-and-passing wouldn't have made any
change in your Gratenesses' attempts at put-downs. You both
have been doing that since before and after I tested-and-
passed! :-) Only your steamed Gratenesses' words were
interchanged slightly before and after my test. :-)


You just don't get it, Windy.

Dave K8MN
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AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical



What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?


You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.


No, Brian, I have not.


Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run?


Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that,
change their mind, that is...


reinsertion of related material snipped by Len

To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that
hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't
make such a statement.


Then WHO writes all your postings for you?


The way it looks now is that I type the bulk of my postings and
hot-ham-and-cheese makes some of them up. :-)

An alternate personality? [getting to be more like The
Robesin every day...]


If I have an alternate personality, it must be hot-ham-and-cheese. :-)

If YOU - or whoever is impersonating you - writes a
statement in here, then whatever you write "is attributed
to you."


....and if I do not write a statement and someone pulls a statement from
the air and tried to make it appear that it is something I've said, that
is fiction at best and a deliberate falsehood at worst.

Is that too complex for you to understand?


I'm a couple of steps ahead of you on this one, Len.

Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!


You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of
occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further
attention to himself by braying about it.


If MICCOLIS were MORE CIVIL he wouldn't constantly be bringing
up OLD arguments, OLD postings, that were dropped by others long
ago.


I disagree. You've trotted out OLD arguments and OLD postings. You've
told and retold your "Big time" ADA story countless times. You've used
the same, tired, jokes five and six times each. Most of the stuff you
classify as "dropped by others" means "swept under the rug" by Leonard
Anderson. Other "dropped by others" items are termed "throwaway lines"
by you.

Neither would he be trying to MANUFACTURE "errors" and
"facts" OUT OF CONTEXT.


They aren't MANUFACTURED errors, Len. You've actually made them.
In no case have you been able to show that the material was taken OUT OF
CONTEXT.

You do that also, but JIMMIE Miccolis
makes it a de facto career.


That's a factual error on your part, Foghorn.


Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)


The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an
apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same
apprentice level.


God forbid the Grate Heil being an "APPRENTICE" level in
anything! :-)


Everybody starts somewhere, Len. Don't shy away from your neophyte
status in amateur radio. :-)


Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are
the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and
study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or
the highway, but the Air Force way.


So you DID get the free USAF training. You said you hadn't.


That's a factual error on your part. I said no such thing. I wrote
that I'd never had to attend an Air Force Technical School.

Oh, my, such inconsistency in your "factual" statements!


The inconsistency was in your ability to read and understand words.

As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio.


The United States Army does NOT use the term "boot" except
for foot apparel. "Boot" is a USN term for RECRUITS.


That'll come as news to those in the Air Force who are called "boot" as
a term of derision. I'm sure you can tell us, Len, what was the term of
derision used for new recruits in the Army?

You want me to attend Basic Training ALL OVER AGAIN?


Sounds fine to me, Len.

Stupid man, you just can't stop your attempts at put-
downs of others, can you?


You and I both know that I'm not a stupid man, Len.

Stupid man, the laws of physics work the SAME for amateur
radio as it does for ALL OTHER RADIO SERVICES. The only
"differences" lie in the (sometimes warped) mental attitudes
of others...such as yourself, plus some adminstrative
differentiations applied by the single U.S. civil radio
regulating agency, the FCC.


Did you know that you misspelled "administrative" the last two times
you've attempted to use it?

You've made another factual error, Leonard, old piranha. Administrative
"differentiations" are not the same as different purposes for various
radio service, different protocol in operation, different operating
modes used and the like. One example would be the very common used of
CW in amateur radio. VHF/UHF users would not concern themselves
typically with a knowledge of propagation. Point-to-point HF users
would likely concern themselves with the propagation between their
station and up to several others. Radio amateurs, not being
point-to-point users, concern themselves with weak signal, possible
propagation paths.

United States amateur radio is NOT a military or para-
military "service." It is not a craft, a guild, or union
that has "apprentice, journeyman, master" skill levels.
It isn't even a "national service."


Don't tell us what amateur radio is not, Len. Tell us what it is.

US amateur radio is
defined by the FCC for administrative purposes in
differentiating between different radio services.


That tells us pretty much nothing useful.

The
word "service" as used in all of Title 47 C.F.R. is a
regulatory term defining the type and kind of radio
activity being regulated by them.


Tell us how the FCC defines amateur radio. Does the Commission ever
refer to it as a hobby?

You're green--a beginner.


You are an antagonistic asshole who can't stop trying to
put down your newsgroup "enemies" with the slightest
denigrations you can dream up.


I stated nothing unfactual, Len. You have just obtained your very first
amateur radio license. You have no previous experience in amateur
radio. You're a newcomer, a novice, a neophyte, green. We all start
somewhere. You've started.

I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case.
You're a neophyte, a beginner.


You've REALLY got a hard one in trying to put me down.


It isn't hard at all, Len. You don't like being called a beginner, no
matter how true it happens to be. We were all beginners in amateur
radio at one time. You really don't like being called one.

You ought to experience some catharsis, such as writing
Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth about my "negligent
attitude at now taking your Grateness 'advice.'"


You are in no way obligated to take my advice, Len. You may cling to
your old attitude and the results it has brought you.

Maybe,
with the "help" of your elected representatives, you can
force the FCC to change my license to Technician!


You'd still be a beginner as a Technician or a General Class licensee.
Any way you slice it, you're a brand new ham. You don't like that part.

Or, you could get some mental counseling and LOSE your
antagoinistic I-am-superior attitude. Nobody has to
kiss YOUR ass, salute you, or give up their seat on the
amateur bus to you just because you are the Mighty Heil.


You should take some of those swell ideas and write 'em down in a little
notebook. You could look them over when you have your morning coffee
(or before your mental counseling sessions) and ask yourself: Have I, a
beginner in amateur radio, come off with an "I-am_superior" attitude?
Have I acted in a manner that makes others feel that they have to kiss
my ass, salut me or give up their seat on the bus to me, just because I
am Leonard H. "I started in big time HF radio fifty years ago" Anderson?

If you do that on a regular basis, you might come to see how it is that
you aren't getting the warm welcome you seem to feel is your due. You
aren't impressing long time hams, some of whom have done at least as
much in electronics or radio operation as you've done. You aren't
impressing those who have decades in amateur radio under their belts.
You might understand why you are seem by some, as a pontificating blow hard.


I fully accept that
you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra.


Tsk, you had to add the qualifier "currently in place!" :-)


Why would anyone HAVE to pass requisite exams for any
OTHER era?

How could anyone possibly pass requisite exams for a
FUTURE era?


PRECISELY!!!! You passed the requisite exams currently in place.

I obeyed the LAW. I passed.


There's no law requiring you to pass.

In ONE EXAM SESSION.


....but not "right out of the box."

You've been issued a license.


NO! I was GRANTED an amateur radio license by the FCC.


As I said, you've been issued a license.

If you must be the irritating, anatagonistic asshole about
WORDS, try to use the CORRECT ones!


You have to love a guy telling another to use the CORRECT words in the
same sentence that he uses "anatagonistic."

I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age.


Tsk, tsk! You've done that consistently, old man.


Since you snipped the material, I REALLY can't find anywhere above where
I commented on your age. There is no maximum age for obtaining an
amateur radio license in the United States, just as there is no minimum
age.

You now have an amateur radio license.


Amateur Extra class.


RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGE?

Yes, it complements the First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial)
Operators License I was granted in March, 1956, and kept
renewed until FCC regulations changed to make it a "GROL"
with NO renewals necessary.


How does it do that, Len? How does it complement the commercial license?

Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio.


Is that a COMMAND, your Grateness?


Lenny don't do COMMANDS!

Believe it or not, individuals are allowed a great freedom
to do what THEY want, not what you "command."


Have it your way. Don't use it and don't gain any experience.

I will DO with MY amateur radio license what *I* choose to
do...always keeping within the letter and spirit of the LAW
(not working Frenchmen out of band on 6m).


You may work all of the Frenchmen you like on Six Meters, Len and it
won't matter a whit where they are in the band, as long as you stay
where you are permitted to operate.


I BEGAN in big-time radio...

snip of irrelevant reruns


Exactly WHAT is "irrelevant" about MY life experience, your
Grateness?


If it doesn't relate to amateur radio, it is irrelevant. If it has been
written countless times before, it is irrelevant.

Other than my being a perceived newsgroup "enemy"
of yours?


You attempted to snip a great deal of relevant comments when you
responded to my last post in this thread. You did so, it seems, to try
to make it appear that my words were about something else.

The US Army didn't have - or allow - any "skipping of (union-
grade) levels."


That must have been tough for you. Do you think you could have
challenged the course?

snip

Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses
attitude of "beginners."


I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license.


You act the contemptible HYPOCRITE, Heil. You've spent a
long, long message trying to put me down through all of it.
Now you try the "nice-nice" route with the "congratulations."


I'll be happy to withdraw my congratulations.

You are about as two-faced a Janus as I've ever met.

Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal.


Keep YOUR mouth and keyboard SHUT once in a while and YOU
might learn to be a civil human being.


My keyboard doesn't open and shut, Len. Whatever shall I do?
I've taken your ten year r.r.a.p. civility course, Leonard. Do I pass?

That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio.


See, the WRONG side of the Janus face gets all the attention
and it MUST mouth off with "advice."


How do you tell which is the wrong side?

The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio.


The "fact" is that you are an asshole of a human being
wannabe, Heil.


I think you're beginning to come apart.

You have much to learn.


YOU have MUCH MUCH MORE to learn about getting along with
others. OFF radio.


You almost have it. I've been trying to tell you something. You're
still looking outside yourself.

You aren't an instant expert, Len.


I don't pretend to be.


Yes, Len, you do pretend to be--often!

Why do YOU pretend to be an "expert?"


I've never claimed to be an expert in anything, Len.

Other than with morse code mode communications, that is.


I've not even claimed that.

You come back ONLY when you've had PART of the experience
I've had in OTHER radio services, INCLUDING radio as used
by the Department of Defense in various contracting jobs
(NO license necessary).


Come back? I'm not going anywhere. Are you ordering someone to leave
again, Len? I've had PART of the experiences you've had in OTHER radio
service, INCLUDING DOD and I've done even more. Now what? Do I get a
certificate?

Don't try to snow the other hams with your "State Departement"
radio officer stuff.


I've not done that, Leonid. There's no "State Departement radio
officer" position and there was no snow, just a lonely old know-it-all
from California who acted as if he knew my job better than I.

You were a civilian government
employee (regardless of the fancy-schmancy Title you love
to drop) for under 20 years.


As I recall, you don't care for RANK-STATUS.

Your Big Claim is BEING DX
for radio amateurs through your posting in Finland and
African countries.


Finland isn't rare DX and I don't have a "Big Claim". You're reaching.
The next thing you know, you'll be telling me my car color.

Did the FCC post you there?


Did the ARRL send you there? NO to both.


So why were you asking if you already knew?

So try being a HUMAN
BEING. It must be hard for you to do that, but TRY.


I think you're missing the point of the lesson, Len. There is a lesson,
you know.

You are NOT in "command." You have NO "authority." Try
to remember that next time you use your "authority" to
"command" others to do something, anything.


What were you commanded to do?


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"Dave Heil" wrote:

In ONE EXAM SESSION.


...but not "right out of the box."


Let's cut Windy some slack.

Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was
referring to might have been a coffin!


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KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:

In ONE EXAM SESSION.

...but not "right out of the box."


Let's cut Windy some slack.

Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was
referring to might have been a coffin!


He's not coming "out of the box" or "right out of the box" in that case.

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