BAD IDEA for ham radio in general ( was Contact the FCC and Tell Them to get rid of CW Test and Requirements)
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...

Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea. Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator would
have this view.


--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Keith wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:



While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...



Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea. Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator would
have this view.




No, you need to tell it to the right people in the government. Someone
throw together a
Petition for Rule Making on this, and let's comment on it after it's at
the FCC.

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...

I agree, Carl. But will they listen to you?

Flooding the FCC Commissioner's e-mail inboxes with such
letters will only

[make them angry]

at ALL of ham radio, not
just pro-code-test or no-code test factions.

Agreed! But will they listen to you? And what do they have to lose?

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this ... and this
is DEFINITELY the WRONG way.

There are lots of wrong ways, including things like breaking the
rules, emailing the wrong people, putting together proposals that are
not well-developed, etc. Heck, I cringe to read the comments sometimes
because of the obvious lack of spell- and grammar-checking.

Those who support the elimination of the Morse test from US
FCC rules would be well-advised to join NCI
http://www.nocode.org
and follow the news.

But will tney listen to you, Carl? How many have joined? There are
over 687,000 US amateurs, plus an unknown number of prospective hams -
how many have actually joined your organization?

NCI's Board of Directors is working the strategy for how to
best approach the FCC on this matter and we will keep the
membership informed when we have finalized those discussions.

In other words, "join our organization and trust us to do what's best,
don't go running off half-cocked and make all of us look bad". That's
what the ARRL has been saying for decades...

Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century.

Will these "hams for the 21st Century" listen to you and toe the party
line?

Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

I think we can agree that annoying the Commissioners, breaking the
rules, and acting like we don't know how the system works isn't going
to help the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

There's one thing about all this that puzzles me, though. The FCC made
their opinions clear back in 1999 and again in 2000. The agenda for
WRC 2003 was known more than a year in advance and the outcome for
S25.5 correctly predicted by you (Carl) as a "slam dunk". Yet your
organization is still figuring out what to do next wrt FCC?

How long will it take to decide, and will "your people" listen to you?
They don't have much to lose, and they don;t even think they will get
caught. Many don't understand how the system works, but think they do
and don't care about long-term effects or the image of the ARS as a
whole.

Newsgroup postings are bad enough, but some are advocating massive
spamming and rulebreaking. Is that to be the way of "hams for the 21st
century"?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Keith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:


While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...


Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea. Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator would
have this view.


SPANK! Finally we're getting enough irony in our diets!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:24:33 -0400, Robert Casey
wrote:

No, you need to tell it to the right people in the government. Someone
throw together a
Petition for Rule Making on this, and let's comment on it after it's at
the FCC.

Well someone called for a petition for declaratory ruling instead. The
ARRL
wants to wait a few more years before changing the code requirements so
BPL can
take full effect and the HF bands are useless.

;-



--
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http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

How about putting you brain in gear before operating your mouth next time.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Keith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson"
wrote:


While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...


Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea.
Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator
would
have this view.


SPANK! Finally we're getting enough irony in our diets!

- Mike KB3EIA -



Gee Kieth, all this time I thought that was what congress wanted. I guess
this being a representative republic is wrong eh? The constitution and the
bill of rights are just pieces of flakey paper, eh?

With all due respect Keith. Grow the Flip Up.

Dan/W4NTI

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
...
While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...

I agree, Carl. But will they listen to you?

Flooding the FCC Commissioner's e-mail inboxes with such
letters will only

[make them angry]

at ALL of ham radio, not
just pro-code-test or no-code test factions.

Agreed! But will they listen to you? And what do they have to lose?

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this ... and this
is DEFINITELY the WRONG way.

There are lots of wrong ways, including things like breaking the
rules, emailing the wrong people, putting together proposals that are
not well-developed, etc. Heck, I cringe to read the comments sometimes
because of the obvious lack of spell- and grammar-checking.

Those who support the elimination of the Morse test from US
FCC rules would be well-advised to join NCI
http://www.nocode.org
and follow the news.

But will tney listen to you, Carl? How many have joined? There are
over 687,000 US amateurs, plus an unknown number of prospective hams -
how many have actually joined your organization?

NCI's Board of Directors is working the strategy for how to
best approach the FCC on this matter and we will keep the
membership informed when we have finalized those discussions.

In other words, "join our organization and trust us to do what's best,
don't go running off half-cocked and make all of us look bad". That's
what the ARRL has been saying for decades...

Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century.

Will these "hams for the 21st Century" listen to you and toe the party
line?

Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

I think we can agree that annoying the Commissioners, breaking the
rules, and acting like we don't know how the system works isn't going
to help the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

There's one thing about all this that puzzles me, though. The FCC made
their opinions clear back in 1999 and again in 2000. The agenda for
WRC 2003 was known more than a year in advance and the outcome for
S25.5 correctly predicted by you (Carl) as a "slam dunk". Yet your
organization is still figuring out what to do next wrt FCC?

How long will it take to decide, and will "your people" listen to you?
They don't have much to lose, and they don;t even think they will get
caught. Many don't understand how the system works, but think they do
and don't care about long-term effects or the image of the ARS as a
whole.

Newsgroup postings are bad enough, but some are advocating massive
spamming and rulebreaking. Is that to be the way of "hams for the 21st
century"?

73 de Jim, N2EY

I'll answer that for Carl...YES those are the new hams. Thanks Carl.

Dan/W4NTI

In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

121 pages, much of it engineering analysis showing how much interference could
be expected in a typical amateur situation.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

121 pages, much of it engineering analysis showing how much interference
could
be expected in a typical amateur situation.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Roger that Jim. Looks like the 'useless league' is doing a good thing.
Perhaps my donation went to pay for some of that paper.

Dan/W4NTI

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:13:13 -0500, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

Too little to late. Millions of consumers and businesses will benefit from
BPL, we can not as a nation let 100,000 morse code diehards prevent progress.
The ARRL might as well as filed that brief in the FCC garbage bin. Besides the
Commissioners think it is great technology. There isn't anyone standing up for
ham radio and talking about morse code as the leading technology.

--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Snip All these
people
yakking here are US citizens with (I think) one exception. snip

You probably mean me. I am not a US citizen, I'm British, but I live in
the USA. Larry has said that he used to be G0L something or other. Of
course that doesn't prove he's British, but it's not renounceable, so if
he ever was then he's stuck with it, whether or not he's a US citizen.

Mike Coslo wrote in
:

Alun Palmer wrote:
Snip All these

people
yakking here are US citizens with (I think) one exception. snip


You probably mean me. I am not a US citizen, I'm British, but I live
in the USA. Larry has said that he used to be G0L something or other.
Of course that doesn't prove he's British, but it's not renounceable,
so if he ever was then he's stuck with it, whether or not he's a US
citizen.

In the conext of my point Alun, some of the countries that will
apparantly keep the code requirement are not those who we would expect
to post to this group, are out of the way, and hard to drum up a lot of
interest for change in the typical reader or ham for that matter.


A lot of people thought that Germany would keep the code test, and yet
they look like being number three to get rid of it (that is, they will be,
barring a surprise announcement by some other country before their
effective date)..

It will be pretty hard to convince a lot of hams here in the USA
or say
even the UK that they should join an organization that is trying to get
ride of the Morse code requirement in say Russia.


No doubt

Nothing meant about your opinions or right to post here.

- Mike KB3EIA -



I didn't think you did mean that, I was just wondering who you meant

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Snip All these
people
yakking here are US citizens with (I think) one exception. snip

You probably mean me. I am not a US citizen, I'm British, but I live in
the USA. Larry has said that he used to be G0L something or other. Of
course that doesn't prove he's British, but it's not renounceable, so if
he ever was then he's stuck with it, whether or not he's a US citizen.

Larrah comes from the planet K-Pax.

LHA

In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

Can you REALLY understand any of the technical details in there?


How about putting you brain in gear before operating your mouth next time.

How about getting a brain that isn't all emotion?

Keep the faith...keep on with Kode Klutz Klan...

LHA

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:


Snip All these
people
yakking here are US citizens with (I think) one exception. snip

You probably mean me. I am not a US citizen, I'm British, but I live in
the USA. Larry has said that he used to be G0L something or other. Of
course that doesn't prove he's British, but it's not renounceable, so if
he ever was then he's stuck with it, whether or not he's a US citizen.

Alun:

I am a U.S. citizen by birth. I lived in the U.K. for two years while serving
in the U.S. Air Force. I was stationed at RAF Mildenhall, and held the call
sign G0LYW. That was from 1989 to 1991. I had a great time there.

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article , Keith
writes:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:13:13 -0500, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

Too little to late. Millions of consumers and businesses will benefit from
BPL,

Actually, it's doubtful that many people will benefit. The denser neighborhoods
already have DSL and/or cable. Will BPL be faster or cheaper? No!

Yesterday I got a flyer from an outfit offering unlimited DSL, long distance
and local calling for under $90/month. Can BPL beat that?

In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

121 pages, much of it engineering analysis showing how much interference
could
be expected in a typical amateur situation.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Roger that Jim. Looks like the 'useless league' is doing a good thing.

Yup. Do you know any other amateur radio organization that could or would put
together an engineering analysis of that level in such a short time? I don't.

73 de Jim, N2EY