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The Morse Code Requirement - Is It Really The Reason People Turn Away?
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Robert,
A lot of folks have been portraying this 'doom and gloom', yet amateur radio keeps growing. While I don't think Morse is a valid requirement, I don't see the wisdom of lowering technical requirements. I read (was it last year, or the year before?) where a newly minted tech was killed putting up a tower. A 150 watts of rf is modest power, but what kind of voltage exists? Sure, you have a 50 ohm feed point and you can calculate voltage and current ..... but that is at the 50 ohm feed point. The far ends of a dipole exhibit around 1000 ohms impedance. That inverted V just might have some very dangerous rf voltage at the ends. Should they be fairly close to the ground ..... not good for humans or animals. Also, there have been lawsuits filed over cell phones causing brain cancer. Some research shows inconclusive results; others show modulated rf does affect cells. Guess what group sponsors the research showing inconclusive results? Remember the tobacco companies? Also, most of the legal limit amps are still vacuum tubes. These are running thousands of volts. Questions concerning bleeder resistors and why they are there and what to do to ensure they did their job before grabbing hold of items within the enclosure are very legitimate questions. Questions as to what modes and where (frequencies) are certainly appropriate. NCI may well be good, but I don't think NTI (No Test International) would be a good idea; of course, if we had no tests, many bands would be rendered as useful as 11 meters - but the good side is that we might have a lot of folks remove their genes from the human gene pool. For information on that, please visit: http://www.darwinawards.com/ 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "Robert Hartung" wrote in message om... The Morse Code Requirement Is It Really The Reason People Turn Away? Many people feel that the Morse Code requirement is the SOLE reason why many people turn away from Amateur Radio. Well one group dose, No-Code International, an organization dedicated to the abolition of the Morse Code requirement for Amateur Radio licenses. In this writers opinion, the code is only one of many reasons why people turn away from Amateur Radio. Another, is the people already in the hobby. If you been reviewing my website, you can see how the people, not just the code requirement, can make, or brake a hobby. If the people act no better then CB Agitator, or a show of being better then others, can drive people away. Let's not forget, many local clubs and members try to drive undesirables away. Who is an undesirable? Well, undesirable are people who have already join the hobby for reason other then local Clubs and their members reasons. It varies from area too area, but it's somewhat the same. 1) If you join the hobby to take advantage of the 2 meter and 70cm bands and don't upgrade to the HF bands. Because, you like to talk to family and friends. You could careless about DXing, filling your walls with QSL cards, and etc. 2) You don't use as many "Q" signals as possible. Yes, I know they were invented solely for CW and are totally inappropriate for bands above 6 meters FM, but they are fun and entertaining. "I'm going to QSY to the phone." Can you really change frequencies to the phone? QSL used to mean, "I am acknowledging receipt", but now it appears to mean, "yes" or "OK". I guess I missed it when the ARRL changed the meaning. It is also best to use "OK" and "QSL" together. 3) Not following local codes of conducts, or rules made up by the local clubs and not the FCC. For example, always giving the calls of yourself and everyone who is (or has been) in the group, whether they are still there or not. While this has been unnecessary for years, it is still a great memory test. You may also use "and the group" if you are an "old timer" or just have a bad memory. All the above can classify you as an undesirable, and get you a life sentence of ridicule, rude comments intended to make fun of your lack of desire to upgrade, or your unwillingness to follow the leader. For example, say you don't wish to upgrade, then your marked as being to lazy to take the code test, or unable due to a lack of IQ. If this is their idea of encouragement, well it doesn't seem like it to me, it's down right RUDE, and drives people away. Which is the whole idea, but is that really such a good idea? If we destroy our own, then how do we expect newcomers to view us? If your trying to buildup a hobby, then you need to deal with diversity, not destroy it. Being difference from what is normal or expected is a good thing. It helps make life, or in the care of amateur radio, a much more divers, interesting and fun filled hobby. It's not the same old thing, different day. This will help bring new blood to the hobby, thus bring fresh, and new ideas with it. http://www.ke4jcd.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/03 |
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Vshah101 wrote:
From: ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) After all those changes, where are the "fresh new ideas?" What are we doing now Simple, the old-timers are not interested in new ideas. Your statement is not substantiated by fact. One example would be holding on to Morse code and pressuring new Hams to learn Morse code and excluding those that don't want to learn Morse code. The first part of your statement is not "an example" at all. Morse code has demonstrated its usefulness and is still widely used in amateur radio. Someone might "hold on" to morse code and be very active with newer modes or might be involved in electronic circuit design. The second part of your statement, the one about pressuring new Hams to learn morse code is unsubstantiated by fact. Some new hams don't want to learn morse code and don't. Some new hams find the world of HF radio exciting and want to participate. They learn morse code. Some new hams find HF interesting and have decided to "wait it out" in hopes that there'll be no morse testing in the future. The third part of your statement, dealing with the exclusion of those who don't want to learn morse code, is unsubstantiated by fact. What evidence can you present to support your claim? From what would these folks be excluded? You've participated in meetings. You've been part of operating events. How have you been excluded? Another example is most old timers want to just make random contacts and are not interested in the technical aspects of the hobby. How do you know what "most old timers" do and what they are not interested in? I know old timers who are very technically inclined and I know others who participate in nets and who keep weekly or daily skeds. Those are not "random contacts". I have proposed new ideas, projects, etc. I didn't say I just want others to do those projects for me. I would help with those projects - if there were interest. I have asked to volunteer for those types of activities on several occasions. The old-timers in the club are NOT interested in those types of activities. Nothing precludes you from tackling projects which interest you. "Old timers" might not be interested in the particular projects you've proposed. They might not be interested in such as group activities. A third alternative is that your personality grates on them. However, they will put extra effort into teaching code classes to get people to operate Morse code. Operate or learn? All of them, en masse put in extra effort or just some of them put in extra effort? Why do you object if someone desires to do something which is different than what you desire? Don't blame the newcomers - its the old-timers that want to keep things as they are. First you'll have to come to an understanding of what it is which "old timers" want before you begin to lecture us or them from your rather shallow pool of knowledge on the subject. Dave K8MN |
From: Dave Heil k8mn
Simple, the old-timers are not interested in new ideas. Your statement is not substantiated by fact. It is a broad generalization, which, unless there is a logical influence, cannot support itself. However, I did not say 100% old-timer are not interested in new ideas, just that there is a tendency for that in Ham radio. Thats my, and other's, experience, so is not substantiated by fact. The first part of your statement is not "an example" at all. Morse code has demonstrated its usefulness and is still widely used in amateur radio. Someone might "hold on" to morse code and be very active with newer modes or might be involved in electronic circuit design. In my local club newsletter. The club states that a new HF setup is keeping with the goal of advancement of the radio art. However, the do little else towards that effect, despite having alot of resourses which can be utilized for technical activities. Also, few club members are interested in homebrewing, despite claiming interest by posing for a photograph showing club members doing a group project. So, the "advancement of the radio art" is just a justification for more HF/CW activities. The second part of your statement, the one about pressuring new Hams to learn morse code is unsubstantiated by fact. At various antenna setups, the other Hams try to persuade me to learn Morse code. This has happened several times. Some new hams don't want to learn morse code and don't. The third part of your statement, dealing with the exclusion of those who don't want to learn morse code, is unsubstantiated by fact. The ones that do become popular with the other club members. The ones that don't want to learn Morse code become excluded. How do you know what "most old timers" do and what they are not interested in? I know old timers who are very technically inclined All I can say is what I have found in my area and in several other states. There have been exceptions of course, but it is too rare to be worth the effort. I cannot search out the contradiction. |
From (Larry Roll K3LT):
If that is the case in your club, then simply work around the old timers that you find so offensive, and get your fellow newcomers involved in your projects. What is so difficult about that? The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also. The ones that are interested in the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings. Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why the demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join. The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. |
There are technical CLUBS, general CLUBS, DX CLUBS, contest CLUBS, repeater
(users) CLUBS, microwave CLUBS, et al Do we have to CLUB you over the head to get you to go to the right one ??? The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. Wonder Why ???? "Vshah101" wrote in message ... From (Larry Roll K3LT): If that is the case in your club, then simply work around the old timers that you find so offensive, and get your fellow newcomers involved in your projects. What is so difficult about that? The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also. The ones that are interested in the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings. Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why the demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join. |
Vshah101 wrote:
From: Dave Heil k8mn Simple, the old-timers are not interested in new ideas. Your statement is not substantiated by fact. It is a broad generalization, which, unless there is a logical influence, cannot support itself. It certainly is broad and it certainly doesn't support itself. However, I did not say 100% old-timer are not interested in new ideas, just that there is a tendency for that in Ham radio. Actually, that is not what you said at all. What you said is: "Simple, the old-timers are not interested in new ideas." Thats my, and other's, experience, so is not substantiated by fact. No "other's" have confirmed your claim. The first part of your statement is not "an example" at all. Morse code has demonstrated its usefulness and is still widely used in amateur radio. Someone might "hold on" to morse code and be very active with newer modes or might be involved in electronic circuit design. In my local club newsletter. The club states that a new HF setup is keeping with the goal of advancement of the radio art. However, the do little else towards that effect, despite having alot of resourses which can be utilized for technical activities. They're probably doing all that when you aren't around. Also, few club members are interested in homebrewing, despite claiming interest by posing for a photograph showing club members doing a group project. Well, they do have photographic proof. We're stuck with just your claim. So, the "advancement of the radio art" is just a justification for more HF/CW activities. So you're back to telling them where their interests should lie. The second part of your statement, the one about pressuring new Hams to learn morse code is unsubstantiated by fact. At various antenna setups, the other Hams try to persuade me to learn Morse code. This has happened several times. And it was "pressure", not "encouragement"? Did it dawn on you that they might be going easier on others and that they save the high pressure tactics for you? Some new hams don't want to learn morse code and don't. The third part of your statement, dealing with the exclusion of those who don't want to learn morse code, is unsubstantiated by fact. The ones that do become popular with the other club members. The ones that don't want to learn Morse code become excluded. Ahhh! So it is just you and it is now about popularity. How do you know what "most old timers" do and what they are not interested in? I know old timers who are very technically inclined All I can say is what I have found in my area and in several other states. I'll wager that most "old timers" aren't even involved with a radio club. You'll have to use the callsign database and begin making phone calls or knocking on doors to come up with a scientific sampling, Vipul. I'd like to be able to feel sorry for you but my experience tells me that you don't really have a handle on reality. There have been exceptions of course, but it is too rare to be worth the effort. I cannot search out the contradiction. That's right. You've begun with an outcome and you're trying to make the statistics fit that outcome. Good luck. Dave K8MN |
Vshah101 wrote:
From (Larry Roll K3LT): If that is the case in your club, then simply work around the old timers that you find so offensive, and get your fellow newcomers involved in your projects. What is so difficult about that? The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also. Your tales always end with you being the odd man out. The ones that are interested in the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings. Your job is to seek them out and meld a new club based around your unique definition of what an amateur radio club should be. Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why the demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join. So the club stays full of those who are interested in talking about amateur radio and who set up operating events and then waste that time by actually operating rather than touring the beach, eating salads and chatting up the "preety fems". I'm involved in a county group which is part of ARES. Most of the hams involved are not interested in contesting or DXing. Many operate VHF FM only. I don't know any who've designed and built a linear amplifier. Only one other is interested in collecting and restoring vintage gear. I continue to attend. We interact based on our common interests rather than the things which divide us. Dave K8MN The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. |
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From: Dave Heil k8mn
Also, few club members are interested in homebrewing, despite claiming interest by posing for a photograph showing club members doing a group project. Well, they do have photographic proof. We're stuck with just your claim. No, they only posed for the photograph. It does not mean that they actually did that activity. I can ask people in that photograph if they are interested in homebrewing and that person will say he is not interested in homebrewing. Therefore, the photograph is just hype and does not represent what the club is really interested in. So, the "advancement of the radio art" is just a justification for more HF/CW activities. So you're back to telling them where their interests should lie. I didn't say they were interested in homebrewing - the photograph did. It takes a prominant place in the club publicity. Except, the photograph is a mis-representation of what the club members are truly interested in. I'll wager that most "old timers" aren't even involved with a radio club. They don't go to club meetings. And they don't go to Hamfests. Nor are they on 2m. I get it - they don't exist. You'll have to use the callsign database and begin making phone calls or knocking on doors to come up with a scientific sampling A scientific sampling is not needed by me, nor any potential new recruit to Ham radio. If that person's experiences are of anti-social, mostly male, mostly older, non-technical (if they are interested in that), Hams, then thats all they need to know. It won't do much good to show them the other aspect that "could" exist, but does not exist for them. There have been exceptions of course, but it is too rare to be worth the effort. I cannot search out the contradiction. That's right. You've begun with an outcome and you're trying to make the statistics fit that outcome. I'm not making any statistics fit. I'm saying that if something is 95%* and it takes you a certain amount of time to come across the other 5%, then its not worth the effort. ---------------------------------------------------------------- *The 95% number is given for example purposes only. It is not meant to represent a specific percentage. |
"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From: ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) Most of the young people are of the anti-social nerdy type that others would not like to be with. Therefore, other young people don't join. Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society that make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused on their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here). The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. Not "too" successful? Two other people showed up. One person was a typical Ham type and believed that I could get more members by appealing to current Hams. If I could find current Hams with those interests, I would not have to start this type of club. The other person, although not an EE, was sincerely interested in technical projects. Due to certain factors such as the lack of a meeting place, getting enough members, and lack of funds, and other factors, the club could not get started. EVERY club had that problem in the beginning. However each of the successful clubs had a leader who was willing to WORK to overcome all these factors. It certainly looks like your expectations of what it takes to get a club going were very unrealistic. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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(Vshah101) wrote in message ...
From: ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also. The ones that are interested in the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings. Vipul: "Would have?" Did they or didn't they? It's gotta be one or the other! I am not a demographer. I don't track newcomers like that. On that statement, I'm just theorizing. That's why I used the word "probably". I love how you give us "numbers" about how "unbalanced" you find Amatuer Radio, then when called on your numbers you throw some excues out about how you're NOT qualified in the first plce to MAKE that assertion. Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why the demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join. I am not a demographer. I don't track newcomers like that. On that statement, I'm just theorizing. That's why I used the word "probably". Its 95%+ males, mostly older males. The idea of putting up antennas and contesting for hours is boring. Not surprisingly, there are few females in the hobby. You have been offered countless exmaples of OTHER things you can do in Amateur radio, but you keep harping back to two or three things you DON'T like and presenting them as the "only" thing there are to do. What an idiot, Vipul. Most of the young people are of the anti-social nerdy type that others would not like to be with. Therefore, other young people don't join. Double idiot. The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. Not "too" successful? Two other people showed up. One person was a typical Ham type and believed that I could get more members by appealing to current Hams. If I could find current Hams with those interests, I would not have to start this type of club. Sure you would. Almost every "specialty" club (DXing, contesting, ARES, etc) starts as a sub-group of some other organization. The other person, although not an EE, was sincerely interested in technical projects. Due to certain factors such as the lack of a meeting place, getting enough members, and lack of funds, and other factors, the club could not get started. The club could not get started because YOU did not possess the organizational skills to make it happen. You only had 2 or three people interested? Then meet in your living room for now! Have your "meeting" over coffee or drinks at a night club. People usually do NOT like joinging something that doesn't have form and function, so it takes a few like minded individuals to get the program rolling. Unless you are going to try and "out-do" the ARRL on day one, it does NOT take a lot of money to get a new club started. So far, the only reason for NOT getting your club started is wimpy excuses and a lack of determination on YOUR part. Period. Steve, K4YZ |
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(Vshah101) wrote in message ...
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) You won't ID the club, any of the members, I have more respect than that. Ohhh! I see! You can call THEM liars and you can accuse THEM of misrepresnting the truth, but YOU have "too much respect"...?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! Do you ever REMOTELY realize just how stupid you just amde yuorself look, Vipul? What was said was YOU are back to telling "them" where thier interests should lay. And neither should they tell me what my interests should be. Like, telling people at club meetings that they should learn Morse code. Or, suggesting I should learn Morse code when I participate in antenna setups or at Ham gatherings. And how many of these people held you down while another member hit you with a rubber hose to "force" you to learn Morse Code? You constantly barrage this NG with YOUR interpretation of what Amatuer Radio should be and how "wrong" other Amateurs are for not following THAT doctrine. Like the current group of Hams do in their groups? Like WHAT, Vipul? If the "95%" is clay, Okay, makes sense. and the "5%" is gold, then isn't it worth it to you to get your blue jeans a bit dirty...??? That 5% is gold at the end of a rainbow (it doesn't exist). YOU will NEVER know if there's ANY gold anywhere, Vipul, because you're too lazy and too timid to go find out if there is or not. Steve, K4YZ |
"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) You won't ID the club, any of the members, I have more respect than that. What was said was YOU are back to telling "them" where thier interests should lay. And neither should they tell me what my interests should be. Like, telling people at club meetings that they should learn Morse code. Or, suggesting I should learn Morse code when I participate in antenna setups or at Ham gatherings. You are almost certainly misinterpreting their motives. They want to see people improve, upgrade, and otherwise develop their amateur radio skills and knowledge. It is in a benevolent spirit that they make these suggestions. For example, I have been through setting up digital modes on my system even though I don't care to use them. I've set them up and checked them out for the sole purpose of expanding my personal hands on knowledge. Once I had them working right, I was done using those modes. You constantly barrage this NG with YOUR interpretation of what Amatuer Radio should be and how "wrong" other Amateurs are for not following THAT doctrine. Like the current group of Hams do in their groups? If the "95%" is clay, Okay, makes sense. and the "5%" is gold, then isn't it worth it to you to get your blue jeans a bit dirty...??? That 5% is gold at the end of a rainbow (it doesn't exist). Your personal expections of ham radio are simply unrealistic. Thus you will always be disappointed. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...
Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society that make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused on their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here). Dee...I can't help but imagine that there's some overweight ex-prom queeen who's day revolves around 6 kids, a beer-bellied ex-jock old man who won't get out of bed or stay sober,living in a mobile home that's about to fall off the axles, all-the-while beating herself up for having made fun of Mr. Gates for "daring" to ask her out once ! ! ! =) Steve, K4YZ |
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society that make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused on their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here). Dee...I can't help but imagine that there's some overweight ex-prom queeen who's day revolves around 6 kids, a beer-bellied ex-jock old man who won't get out of bed or stay sober,living in a mobile home that's about to fall off the axles, all-the-while beating herself up for having made fun of Mr. Gates for "daring" to ask her out once ! ! ! It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"privacy.at Anonymous Remailer" wrote:
In article Dave Heil wrote: JMBCV wrote: In article Dave Heil wrote: Vshah101 wrote: From (Larry Roll K3LT): I'm involved in a county group which is part of ARES. Feh. You've attended only one meeting..and just to harass and stalk another ham, ASSHOLE. Why, Roger Wiseman! Fancy you slithering from beneath your bed to make Why Dave High-el, imagine you stopping downloading kiddie porn to answer a post..... I do no such thing, Roger. What is your fixation with child pornography? yet another anonymous post. If this is anonymous, how do you know who sent it, dumbass? Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. I've attended a number of meetings and functions, Roger. Guess you had to suck off Bertie Garcia one way or another, eh, ASSHOLE? No, Roger. What is your fixation with homosexuality? I'm told that you only came to the one meeting. I'm told you shouldn't stalk other hams like you do, kiddie diddler. It is peculiar that one who has posted numerous untruths about others would consider himself to be a stalking victim. What is your fixation on sex with children? By the way, I'd go very carefully on that stalking stuff, Rog. You've frequently harrassed me here and in direct e-mails. Awww, poor Dicksucking Davey.......you stalked Rog as well, because the only reason you came to the ARES meeting to confront him, and let's not forget how you were going to break the law by posting his "best newsgroup material" on telephone poles in Rog's neighborhood. What is your fixation with homosexual activity, Roger? Bert and I attended an ARES meeting at the invitation of the Emergency Coordinator for purposes of joining. I think you've gotten your wires crossed on the breaking of law, Roger. You were asked if you'd be proud to have your wife, mother or children see some of your handiwork. You were asked if you thought your neighbors would enjoy seeing some of your memorable posts tacked to telephone poles in the neighborhood. I can post my exact comments and your sparkling reply here if you feel that would set the record straight. After all, you seemed to think enough of your numerous newsgroup postings to post them in this very public venue. You have an arrest I do? Prove it....... It is public record, Roger. By the way, is this another "Duuuh, how'd you know it was me"? record and you've been booted from a couple of ISP's. Bwhahahahahahahaha....prove it, kiddie diddling Dave. One note to OVIS should clear that one up. What is your fixation with child sex? You've been cautioned for malicious QRMing on 20 meters and have been forced to retest. So some fake info was submitted and dumb**** Riley believed it....... Who Riley? The fake info was in the form of audio tape. I know the fellow who supplied it. I have no reason to disbelieve him and to believe your claim that it was "fake". he still PASSED the "retest" it's doubtful you could as of today, ASSHOLE. "He/you" passed. Whether I could or couldn't isn't an issue. I wasn't contacted and told that I needed to retest. There's been no enforcement action taken toward me in forty years. Most of the hams involved are not interested in contesting or DXing. Many operate VHF FM only. I don't know any who've designed and built a linear amplifier. Only one other is interested in collecting and restoring vintage gear. Yep, they are a clique of losers..... Oh yes, I neglected to mention that we have one dysfunctional individual who exhibits sociopathic behavior on several levels. He frequently I wonder if the WV Medical board is aware of you practicing psychology without a degree in it or a license? Take it up with the board. haunts the rec.radio.amateur.misc and rec.radio.amateur.policy newsgroups and posts irrelevant stream-of-consciousness filth (usually unrelated to the thread topic. His over exhuberance has led him to the malicious interference incidents on 20m. Poor Davey......the Lackland press release boy, the flunky who couldn't get/or was so ****ing stupid he couldn't get a real job then after a **** poor service record, had to take a flunky courier job with the State department, until he was terminated. What is your fixation with Lackland AFB and my web page? I haven't been to Lackland in over thirty years. You know nothing of my service record. I have an honorable discharge from the military. You know nothing of my State Department service other than what you can glean from my web site or here. Actually, Roger, the only real loser is you. You're hardly a clique. IKYABWAI, dicksucking Davey..... What is your obsession with homosexual oral sex? Actually, kiddiediddler High-el, how is it you had to get a mail order bride for yourself? Maybe it's you lack of personal cleanliness, as evidenced by the stench you had when you attened that meeting and your wrinkled clothes. What is your fixation on sex with children? I don't have a mail-order bride. I bathe on a regular basis and my clothing is washed and pressed. What is your fixation on body odor and wrinkled clothing? I continue to attend. We interact Except the fact you fail to bathe regularly, you mean.......****stick. I don't recall your being here during shower time, Roger. It looks like your still battling that rare form of Tourette's Syndrome. Looks like you need to go to Hair Club For men and Jenny Craig. There's a hair club for Jenny Craig? Dave has a bad comb-over and his fat belly makes him look like he's about 8 months pregnant. Given this along with his wrinkled clothes that he looks like he slept in for a week, he makes such a good impression... With that small skull he really looks like Baby Huey. Your powers of observation are lacking, Roger. I have a full head of hair without even a hint of a bald spot. My hat size is 7 7/8 which is considered "Large". If you like, I can post a photo of the top of my head so that others won't engage in a "comb over" debate. Why is any of this of interest to you, Roger? based on our common interests rather than the things which divide us. Yeah, those common interests being not helping newer hams...... How could you come to that conclusion? Unlike you, I don't pull my conclusions out of my ass, goat blower Davey. Where'd they come from then? You haven't been attending meetings. When some new hams needed help, they didn't get it, ****stick. Who are the new hams who needed help? What was the help requested of me and why wasn't it provided? You seem to be a little short on facts here. Care to comment on the fact that you don't attend meetings and would have no way to know about anything which goes on unless overheard by you on a local repeater? The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. btw, **** off, High-el. BTW, forwarded your stuff to Chief Stenger in Glen Dale. It is about the only way to make a case against someone who has no interpersonal skills. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....... you've said that ALL ALONG, DICKBREATH.... Yes, I have. That's because, as you aware from being paid a number of visits, that is what I have been doing. What is your fixation with homosexual oral sex? How would you, the non-Roger anonymous poster know anything about what I've said all along? "Duuuh, How'd you know it was me"? Maybe you need to give him another blowjob so he might pay attention to you next time..haven't heard a thing from him though Is that how you write about your chief of police--a man who is on your city council? .......some case, dickhead...... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...maybe it's because I don't live in Glen Dale, Davey, not everybody who posts anon is your obsession. Maniacal laughter aside, Roger, is this another, "Duuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Do you know how few anonymous posters post items about me filled with nonsense rants about child pornography, sex with children, homosexual oral sex, fixations with body odor and wrinkled apparel? Ta-Ta for now. Your not-so-Closeted homosexuality, noted. You fascination with homosexuality is noted. Dave K8MN |
Brian wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. Gee David, someone posting as Avery Fine is sure doing a ringer impression of you. What could it mean? It could mean that someone is doing an impression of Len and you aren't bright enough to figure it out. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. Gee David, someone posting as Avery Fine is sure doing a ringer impression of you. What could it mean? It could mean that someone is doing an impression of Len and you aren't bright enough to figure it out. Dave K8MN But it's you they're imitating. |
Brian wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. Gee David, someone posting as Avery Fine is sure doing a ringer impression of you. What could it mean? It could mean that someone is doing an impression of Len and you aren't bright enough to figure it out. But it's you they're imitating. See, you weren't bright enough to figure it out even after an explanation. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. Gee David, someone posting as Avery Fine is sure doing a ringer impression of you. What could it mean? It could mean that someone is doing an impression of Len and you aren't bright enough to figure it out. But it's you they're imitating. See, you weren't bright enough to figure it out even after an explanation. Dave K8MN No doubt attributable to your superb powers of explanation. |
Brian wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. Gee David, someone posting as Avery Fine is sure doing a ringer impression of you. What could it mean? It could mean that someone is doing an impression of Len and you aren't bright enough to figure it out. But it's you they're imitating. See, you weren't bright enough to figure it out even after an explanation. No doubt attributable to your superb powers of explanation. It is likely the result of your difficulty in comprehending. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. Gee David, someone posting as Avery Fine is sure doing a ringer impression of you. What could it mean? It could mean that someone is doing an impression of Len and you aren't bright enough to figure it out. But it's you they're imitating. See, you weren't bright enough to figure it out even after an explanation. No doubt attributable to your superb powers of explanation. It is likely the result of your difficulty in comprehending. Avery, you crack me up. |
Brian wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Roger: "Duuuuh, how'd you know it was me"? Shall we say that you have a rather unique writing style and that your topics of interest repeat themselves on a regular basis. Gee David, someone posting as Avery Fine is sure doing a ringer impression of you. What could it mean? It could mean that someone is doing an impression of Len and you aren't bright enough to figure it out. But it's you they're imitating. See, you weren't bright enough to figure it out even after an explanation. No doubt attributable to your superb powers of explanation. It is likely the result of your difficulty in comprehending. Avery, you crack me up. Looks like you're beginning to crack under the strain of being Len's electrolyte. Dave K8MN |
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