In article ,
(Brian) writes:

And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their
way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick, Larry,
Dan, Bruce...


Brian:

Is that what I said? Prove it. Keep in mind, if you can't or won't prove it,
then YOU are a liar, and have completely and forever trashed your
credibility in this newsgroup.

As usual, a simple apology to Dick, Dan, Bruce, and myself will get you
off the hook. I will be happy to accept my own via private E-mail, to save
you any further embarrassment.

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their
way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick, Larry,
Dan, Bruce...


Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or
their national equivalent thereof).

Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our
membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other
license classes.

So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ...

Please don't lump all Extras in with that crowd ... it just 'aint so.

Carl - wk3c

In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:


In article ,
(Brian) writes:

And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their
way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick, Larry,
Dan, Bruce...


Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or
their national equivalent thereof).

Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our
membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other
license classes.

So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ...

Please don't lump all Extras in with that crowd ... it just 'aint so.

Carl - wk3c

Carl:

Brian made the statement that "Extras" such as Dick, Dan, Bruce, and
myself wish to "destroy the amateur radio service." Obviously, he thinks
we want to do this because we *are* PCTA's, and see the value of retaining
code testing (what's left of it) in the ARS. In other words, because we
don't agree with him and the NCTA's, we want to "destroy" the ARS.
Do you think this is accurate? Do YOU think that us PCTA's want to
"destroy" the ARS?

AFAIC, when the FCC finally gives us a No-Code Test ARS licensing
system, the "destruction" of our hobby/service is self-assured. About
the best we can hope for is for the NCTA's to continue with their traditional
apathy and laziness, and somehow not flock to the ARS in any great
numbers. We would also require the assistance of the ARRL and the
FCC to resist the urge to expand HF phone spectrum, but I don't see that
as something the ARRL would do, so the FCC will be happy to oblige
when the petitions start coming in. In any case, the future of the ARS
looks bleak, and it will be the non-code tested "newcomers" who will
be administering the coup de gras.

BTW, Carl -- the only reason you're an "Extra" is because you waited until
the code test was dumbed down to a maximum of 5 WPM. That's not being
a Real Extra(tm) in the opinion of any of the traditional PCTA's. You're
just a wannabe Extra Pretender who got in on an Affirmative Action
program.

73 de Larry, K3LT
Amateur Extra since 1983

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:


In article ,
(Brian) writes:

And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their
way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick, Larry,
Dan, Bruce...


Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or
their national equivalent thereof).

Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our
membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other
license classes.

So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ...

Please don't lump all Extras in with that crowd ... it just 'aint so.

Carl - wk3c

Carl:

Brian made the statement that "Extras" such as Dick, Dan, Bruce, and
myself wish to "destroy the amateur radio service." Obviously, he thinks
we want to do this because we *are* PCTA's, and see the value of retaining
code testing (what's left of it) in the ARS. In other words, because we
don't agree with him and the NCTA's, we want to "destroy" the ARS.

No, no, no, no, no. It has nothing to do with your disagreements with
me.

Larry, right after you told that guy not to let the door hit him in
the ass on his way out of the ARS, you said that the FCC ought to take
all the VHF and up amateur bands and sell them to the highest bidder.
Or was that after you said who was your favorite black on the bus? Or
was it after you said something about the knuckle dragging 4-lander
with the southern accent? Maybe it was after you talked about the
welfare mother of color with her hand out?

In any case, you wanted to destroy the ARS for the no-code
Technicians, and it had nothing to do with me.

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their
way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick, Larry,
Dan, Bruce...

Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

"Us Extras"? Whooo, that's rich, Carl!

For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or
their national equivalent thereof).

What differentiates a majority from a vast majority? In a country with
only two license classes, the higher class license is equivalent to the
U.S. Extra?

Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our
membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other
license classes.

What constitutes a "significant number" of Extas when compared to the
percentage of your membership holding a license for which no code test
is required?

So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ...

....and I gather that you don't have many members who support code
testing :-)

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their
way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick,
Larry,
Dan, Bruce...

Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

"Us Extras"? Whooo, that's rich, Carl!

Yes, Dave, "Us Extras" ... much as it may eat at you, I'm an Extra, too.
(FCC said so ... and it's up to them, not you ... :-P

For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or
their national equivalent thereof).

What differentiates a majority from a vast majority? In a country with
only two license classes, the higher class license is equivalent to the
U.S. Extra?

When I said "or their national equivalent thereof," I was refering to our
Director from New Zealand ... a long-time, coded ham of their highest
class.

Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our
membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other
license classes.

What constitutes a "significant number" of Extas when compared to the
percentage of your membership holding a license for which no code test
is required?

I haven't calculated the exact percentage, but we have a LOT of members
who hold an Extra class license ... and that's not just since folks were
able
to upgrade with "only 5 wpm."

So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ...

...and I gather that you don't have many members who support code
testing :-)

That's right ... one of the requirements for membership is supporting
the elimination of Morse testing.

Carl - wk3c

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their
way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick,
Larry,
Dan, Bruce...

Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

"Us Extras"? Whooo, that's rich, Carl!

Yes, Dave, "Us Extras" ... much as it may eat at you, I'm an Extra, too.

Sure you are, Carl--now.

(FCC said so ... and it's up to them, not you ... :-P

That's right. After all, "us" Extras have to stick together. Right?

For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or
their national equivalent thereof).

What differentiates a majority from a vast majority? In a country with
only two license classes, the higher class license is equivalent to the
U.S. Extra?

When I said "or their national equivalent thereof," I was refering to our
Director from New Zealand ... a long-time, coded ham of their highest
class.

Their *higher* class. In a country with two classes of license, the
higher class is equivalent to the U.S. Extra?

Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our
membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other
license classes.

What constitutes a "significant number" of Extas when compared to the
percentage of your membership holding a license for which no code test
is required?

I haven't calculated the exact percentage, but we have a LOT of members
who hold an Extra class license ... and that's not just since folks were
able
to upgrade with "only 5 wpm."

Noted that there is no indication of what "significant number" or "a LOT
of" actually means.

So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ...

...and I gather that you don't have many members who support code
testing :-)

That's right ... one of the requirements for membership is supporting
the elimination of Morse testing.

I'm glad you made that clear. Then it certainly isn't "the Extras" You
mean anyone of any class who supports continued morse testing.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

"Us Extras"? Whooo, that's rich, Carl!

Yes, Dave, "Us Extras" ... much as it may eat at you, I'm an Extra, too.

Sure you are, Carl--now.

David, are you living in the past?

(FCC said so ... and it's up to them, not you ... :-P

That's right. After all, "us" Extras have to stick together. Right?

I hope not. I would expect some of them to be "forward" thinkers.