From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)

The photo of the club members homebrewing was taken before I joined the
club.
They have not done that activity since I have joined the club. That photo
is
still on the club page, as if thats what the club members are interested
in.

And YOU think that just because no one had taken the picture off
the webpage that that's ALL they do???

You're right. That's a reasonable explanation. Alot of times I have seen old
info stay on several websites. The same thing could have happened on their
webpage.

What I am willing to bet is that if Vippy takes someone to a
Hamfest, the third party is likely to say "What the heck are you
talking about...these are just good people having fun",

That's possible, but not probable. They will probably notice that its mostly
older males right away. Also, if I invite them on a Hamfest that continues to
Fri, Sat night, then I'll bet they will wonder why the Hams are operating
rather than doing what most people do. I know of a couple of Hamfests coming up
in late August. One of those had the Wouff Hong ceremony you had top wait three
hours for (no activities scheduled in between).

What would the non-Ham observer think of that?

that hams set out for an operating activity and then waste that time by
operating or you being under the impression that your travel to a
domestic location was a "DXpedition".

Comes to America then wonders why
America isn't like the place he left.

At a DXpedition, that's would most (non-Ham) Americans would expect in
(American) society.

Most (non-Ham) Americans would of course expect operating activities, but not
the whole day and night (with the only breaks for eating alot). Especially at a
vacation spot. A few weeks ago, at the club's cookout, one female person even
asked "Is operating all you did, you didn't go to the beach or anything?". I
doubt you'll see her at next year's event.

Most (non-Ham) Americans would expect the Hams would take a break from
operating on Sat night. They would be surprised and disappointed otherwise.

(Vshah101) wrote in message ...
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)

And YOU think that just because no one had taken the picture off
the webpage that that's ALL they do???

You're right. That's a reasonable explanation. Alot of times I have seen old
info stay on several websites. The same thing could have happened on their
webpage.

In otherwords: "I can't provide a reasonable alternative".

What I am willing to bet is that if Vippy takes someone to a
Hamfest, the third party is likely to say "What the heck are you
talking about...these are just good people having fun",

That's possible, but not probable. (SNIP)

It's most likely, unless the third party you take is a relative
of yours.

They will probably notice that its mostly older males right away. )SNIP)

So are the Knights of Columbus, The Shriners, and a long list of
other social organizations I can think of...So what?

Also, if I invite them on a Hamfest that continues to
Fri, Sat night, then I'll bet they will wonder why the Hams are operating
rather than doing what most people do.

"..what most people do"...?!?!

It's ABOUT Amatuer Radio, Vipul...The event is organized FOR
Amateur Radio operators by Amateurs and OPERATING radios.

If you go to a NASCAR event, "most people" are watching or racing
fast cars. If you go to a rock concert, they are listening/watching a
band play music.

Why do you fail to comprehend that Amateur Radio is ABOUT
operating radios??? It's not about sightseeing, meeting preety fems,
or discussing dietary habits.

I know of a couple of Hamfests coming up
in late August. One of those had the Wouff Hong ceremony you had top wait three
hours for (no activities scheduled in between).

Well by golly why don't YOU go organize a sightseeing trip or get
Jenny Craig to come in and give a presentation...???

What would the non-Ham observer think of that?

What does it matter, Vipul? The event was not organized for "the
non-ham observer". It was organized for the licensed Amateur
participant.

that hams set out for an operating activity and then waste that time by
operating or you being under the impression that your travel to a
domestic location was a "DXpedition".

Comes to America then wonders why
America isn't like the place he left.

At a DXpedition, that's would most (non-Ham) Americans would expect in
(American) society.

It doesn't matter what a "non-ham" thinks about it, Vipul. If a
"non-ham" is looking for any of the aforementioned distractions, then
they are free to do them. Amateur Radio is ABOUT operating radios.

Most (non-Ham) Americans would of course expect operating activities, but not
the whole day and night (with the only breaks for eating alot). Especially at a
vacation spot. A few weeks ago, at the club's cookout, one female person even
asked "Is operating all you did, you didn't go to the beach or anything?". I
doubt you'll see her at next year's event.

Well that's too bad. You had better run along an catch her,
Vippy! You and her have something in common! A complete lack of
understanding of what the event is all about.

Most (non-Ham) Americans would expect the Hams would take a break from
operating on Sat night. They would be surprised and disappointed otherwise.

Why? Why should "they" expect Amateurs to stop doing the very
thing the special even was organized to do...?!?!

Sheesh

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Well, Phil...idiots are idiots, on or off the air.

Amy and I just moved to new digs and I'm QRT for the moment or
I'd set a sked with you. That older gear has a warmth and fullness
that this solid waste (I meant solid STATE) stuff can't match...at
least not yet.

Ah, progress?

I thought pSycho pSteve finally reached the 1970s level of the amateur
radio technical art...

No, he has aligned himself with the Anti-Semiconductor Movement.

"Real radios glow in the dark" and that sort of thing. "Warmth."

Or is he just technically constipated, therefore thinking about waste?

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

No, he has aligned himself with the Anti-Semiconductor Movement.

No, Your Putziness...Quality is quality whether it is the
fidelity of a tube-based radio or a well-aged wine.

"Real radios glow in the dark" and that sort of thing. "Warmth."

Embracing technology changes simply because it's a "change" does
not make it better...just different.

Or is he just technically constipated, therefore thinking about waste?

As witless as ever, I see.

Steve, K4YZ

Len,

Steve's point regarding older equipment does have considerable merit -
modern equipment was not designed to be tinkered with or repaired by
anyone without very complex equipment at their disposal. The tube era
(and transistorised solid state) equipment could easily be adapted and
experimented with by a reasonably skilled operator. In fact, I recall
that the initial intent of ham radio was to encourage people to
develop technical expertise in the radio art (I asked one ham to
switch his Icom rig to USB on 40 meters, so that I could check whether
I my audio roblem was limited to LSB - after around 5 minutes, he
confessed that he could not figure out how to do it! - so much for
technical skills...) As such, I don't see how this goal is being
accomplished by the current generation of 'set the dial and talk'
equipment. As such, I'd suggest that your observations regarding
Steve's position on current equipment is flawed. I certainly don't
care if the radio glows in the dark - but it would be refreshing to
meet more people who can apply basic radio theory to a simple QSO!

Steve, you are absolutely correct - idiots are idiots, on or off the
air. Or the internet, apparently.

Phil


snip

Well, Phil...idiots are idiots, on or off the air.

Amy and I just moved to new digs and I'm QRT for the moment or
I'd set a sked with you. That older gear has a warmth and fullness
that this solid waste (I meant solid STATE) stuff can't match...at
least not yet.

Ah, progress?

I thought pSycho pSteve finally reached the 1970s level of the amateur
radio technical art...

No, he has aligned himself with the Anti-Semiconductor Movement.

"Real radios glow in the dark" and that sort of thing. "Warmth."

Or is he just technically constipated, therefore thinking about waste?

LHA

Phil wrote in message . ..
Len,

Steve's point regarding older equipment does have considerable merit -...(SNIP)

Oooops..watch out, Phil! You suggested that Lennie MIGHT be in
error! The epithets will fly soon!

Steve's position on current equipment is flawed. I certainly don't
care if the radio glows in the dark - but it would be refreshing to
meet more people who can apply basic radio theory to a simple QSO!

I wasn't the one who said the "glow in the dark" comment, Phil.
I do have a soft spot for old gear, but I certainly embrace the new
technologies too, despite Lennie's attempts to make it appear
othrwise...I don't know who made the original assertion.

Steve, you are absolutely correct - idiots are idiots, on or off the
air. Or the internet, apparently.

73

Steve, K4YZ