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ARRL you can Kiss my $39.00 a Year Good Bye
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes: The ARRL board is in favor of retaining CW on HF. Dan/W4NTI Dan: Does that also mean they favor retaining code testing for a General or Extra class license? If so, how hard are they going to work to keep the current code testing requirement in place? If the ARRL truly supported code testing, then "Restructuring" would have come out a whole lot differently, perhaps keeping a 12-WPM test for Extra. That didn't happen, and it's because the ARRL wants code testing dropped, for the sake of (hopefully) getting more people licensed and becoming members. It is their never spoken, hidden agenda. Supporting "CW" and supporting code testing are two separate and entirely different things. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
I still am curious why the "middle" code test speed was set at
thirteen...... Why not 12 or 14???? -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... If the ARRL truly supported code testing, then "Restructuring" would have come out a whole lot differently, perhaps keeping a 12-WPM test for Extra. That didn't happen, and it's because the ARRL wants code testing dropped, for the sake of (hopefully) getting more people licensed and becoming members. It is their never spoken, hidden agenda. |
"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... I still am curious why the "middle" code test speed was set at thirteen...... Why not 12 or 14???? -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. .. --. .... - . .-. ... If the ARRL truly supported code testing, then "Restructuring" would have come out a whole lot differently, perhaps keeping a 12-WPM test for Extra. That didn't happen, and it's because the ARRL wants code testing dropped, for the sake of (hopefully) getting more people licensed and becoming members. It is their never spoken, hidden agenda. Because, for most people, the speed of 13 WPM meant you could ACTUALLY COPY Morse Code. For most folks, up to about 12 WPM you could copy it and NOT actually know it. Most countries in the world required 12 WPM. The US Military only wanted 10 Groups per minute. Groups meaning 5 letter 'groups' in a 1 minute period. That help? Dan/W4NTI |
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes: I still am curious why the "middle" code test speed was set at thirteen...... Why not 12 or 14???? FCC decision in 1936. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Just wanted to know why 13 was some type of magic number.
Thanks, -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... Because, for most people, the speed of 13 WPM meant you could ACTUALLY COPY Morse Code. For most folks, up to about 12 WPM you could copy it and NOT actually know it. Most countries in the world required 12 WPM. The US Military only wanted 10 Groups per minute. Groups meaning 5 letter 'groups' in a 1 minute period. That help? Dan/W4NTI |
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes: Just wanted to know why 13 was some type of magic number. Ever stop to think about all the morsemen dooming themselves with an "unlucky" number? :-) LHA PS: Good to hear you survived and all you need are some pain-killers. |
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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... Just wanted to know why 13 was some type of magic number. Thanks, -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. .. --. .... - . .-. ... Also there is some evidence that once one has reached the 13wpm level, they will not forget it even if they don't use. They might grow rusty and become slow. But it stays in the brain, ready to be called upon. See the book "The Art and Skill of Radiotelegraphy," which is available for free downloading from the internet. The author deliberately chose to make this available to the public for free so that there is no copyright infringement involved. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Because, for most people, the speed of 13 WPM meant you could ACTUALLY COPY Morse Code. For most folks, up to about 12 WPM you could copy it and NOT actually know it. Most countries in the world required 12 WPM. The US Military only wanted 10 Groups per minute. Groups meaning 5 letter 'groups' in a 1 minute period. That help? Dan/W4NTI |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message . com...
"Brian Kelly" wrote in message m... . . . I think I lost some of my ability to get it down solid on paper at speed and I'm working on that. However I do not agree with a hypothesis that simply cramming for then passing a 13 or even a 20wpm code test assures a lifetime ability to copy Morse at any usable speed. I've seen too many examples of "cram & pass" types who never actually used the stuff on the air to any extent all but completely forget how to copy Morse. Apparently there is some combination of both a speed and a number of hours of experience at that speed which embeds Morse for life. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv It appears to me that the reason 13wpm and higher works, according to the reference, is that you CAN'T successfully cram to pass the higher speeds. You've got to have those neural connections solidly in place. However for 10wpm and down you can cram and pass the tests. I'm not particularly convinced that's the case but there isn't even any soft evidence which indicates that is or is not the case. Regardless, there is definitely a point at which a person won't forget even if they believe they have done so (your experience being a case in point). Agreed. In spades. To me, this is the level that Extras should reach, i.e. a level that they won't forget. We agree 200% on THAT point! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv |
Brian Kelly wrote: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message . com... "Brian Kelly" wrote in message . com... . . . I think I lost some of my ability to get it down solid on paper at speed and I'm working on that. However I do not agree with a hypothesis that simply cramming for then passing a 13 or even a 20wpm code test assures a lifetime ability to copy Morse at any usable speed. I've seen too many examples of "cram & pass" types who never actually used the stuff on the air to any extent all but completely forget how to copy Morse. Apparently there is some combination of both a speed and a number of hours of experience at that speed which embeds Morse for life. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv It appears to me that the reason 13wpm and higher works, according to the reference, is that you CAN'T successfully cram to pass the higher speeds. You've got to have those neural connections solidly in place. However for 10wpm and down you can cram and pass the tests. I'm not particularly convinced that's the case but there isn't even any soft evidence which indicates that is or is not the case. Regardless, there is definitely a point at which a person won't forget even if they believe they have done so (your experience being a case in point). Agreed. In spades. To me, this is the level that Extras should reach, i.e. a level that they won't forget. We agree 200% on THAT point! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv There's another point to this that I haven't seen anything on yet. It seems to me that the faster you can copy the easier it gets (to a point, of course). 13 wpm is a definite PITA to copy, considering they generally use 10 WPM weight and try to run it together to get the faster 13 wpm. I usually have trouble copying anything slower than 15 wpm, and I don't like 15, either. Too slow. Back around 1989 some friends of mine and I were conducting code practice sessions on one of the local repeaters. We had one young man who was going for his Advanced (he had passed all the written tests, including Extra at 12 years old...smart young man!) and tried for the 13 wpm test numerous times, failing every one. My friends and I were perplexed, since he regularly copied 20 and 25 wpm in our practice sessions (we threw those speeds in without telling anyone once in a while). One night before one of his tests, you could tell he was really discouraged and ready to give up, so I pulled him aside to another repeater and told him of a technique that a friend of mine told to me. I told him that, when the test came up, he should take the first test, which of course was the 20 wpm Extra test. I told him he should not expect to pass it, but to do his best to copy it and, when the 13 wpm came up next, it would sound slower and he should pass it with ease. Of course, he passed the 20 wpm with a perfect copy. He was on the repeater the following night gloating and bragging. ;-) Back in the '90s I was driving an 18 wheeler over the road (no, I had my license WELL before I ever drove trucks). I liked to operate cw while driving and naturally had to be able to copy code in my head. 20 wpm and above, the code ceased being letters and formed words. At that time I was up to around 35-40 wpm, all copied and remembered in my head. 13 wpm has always been a PITA for me to copy, and I think for the reason I stated above. Everyone talked about the "13 wpm barrier" and it sure was. I think 15 wpm would have been a much better speed, and easier to attain, besides. But, as some have said, that's a moot point now. I'm glad I don't have to take the 5 wpm test. Someone would have to keep waking me up for the next letter. -- 73 from Glenn - KG5UC |
"Glenn" wrote in message Someone would have to keep waking me up for the next letter. -- 73 from Glenn - KG5UC Of course you realize that what you just said here will PO the unwashed and unaware don't ya Glenn? You will be accused of bragging and being 'superior'. When those of us that actually can copy QRQ Morse understand you totally. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message nk.net... "Glenn" wrote in message Someone would have to keep waking me up for the next letter. -- 73 from Glenn - KG5UC Of course you realize that what you just said here will PO the unwashed and unaware don't ya Glenn? You will be accused of bragging and being 'superior'. When those of us that actually can copy QRQ Morse understand you totally. Dan/W4NTI Although I passed my 20wpm, I can't do more than 15wpm on a sustained basis. Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:19:54 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote: Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Me too. I can copy 45-50 WPM in my head, but I can't write it down fast enough for a full complete one minute of copy. Stacey/AA7YA |
On 18 Oct 2003 00:05:26 GMT, Dick Carroll
wrote: That's where listening at considerably faster than you can copy comes in. You'd be surprised how fast your abilities improve. W1AW code practice sessions are good. Yep. Listening to W1AW, if you can copy 7½ WPM or even 10 WPM, 5 WPM comes easy. When I tested for my 20 WPM back in 1993, I had code tapes that were sending 22 WPM code, coupled with actual on-air QSO's and listening to W1AW, the 20 WPM code test was a breeze. Stacey/AA7YA |
S. Hanrahan wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:19:54 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Me too. I can copy 45-50 WPM in my head, but I can't write it down fast enough for a full complete one minute of copy. I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
S. Hanrahan wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:19:54 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Me too. I can copy 45-50 WPM in my head, but I can't write it down fast enough for a full complete one minute of copy. I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) Ahhhhhh! But Mike! To SOME of us it IS music to the ear! =) How's your fall looking? It's absolutely spectacular here this year! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... S. Hanrahan wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:19:54 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Me too. I can copy 45-50 WPM in my head, but I can't write it down fast enough for a full complete one minute of copy. I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) Ahhhhhh! But Mike! To SOME of us it IS music to the ear! You know, I'm starting to get frustrated again. I can do nearly 20 wpm listening to NuMorse with headphones and in a quiet room. But the leaast bit of background noise, or the conditions on the air, and my speed drops like a rock. I hope I'm not running up against my personal limitations. How's your fall looking? It's absolutely spectacular here this year! It started out looking like it was going to be pretty blah, with rain and not much color. But then it did an about face, and got warm and beautiful. The leaves decided not to listen to the newspaper"leaf color experts" - whoever they are. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... S. Hanrahan wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:19:54 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Me too. I can copy 45-50 WPM in my head, but I can't write it down fast enough for a full complete one minute of copy. I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) Ahhhhhh! But Mike! To SOME of us it IS music to the ear! You know, I'm starting to get frustrated again. I can do nearly 20 wpm listening to NuMorse with headphones and in a quiet room. But the leaast bit of background noise, or the conditions on the air, and my speed drops like a rock. I hope I'm not running up against my personal limitations. How's your fall looking? It's absolutely spectacular here this year! It started out looking like it was going to be pretty blah, with rain and not much color. But then it did an about face, and got warm and beautiful. The leaves decided not to listen to the newspaper"leaf color experts" - whoever they are. - Mike KB3EIA - Now that you KNOW you can actually copy International Morse Code. Throw out the canned stuff. Fire up the HF rig and use it. You must teach your brain to 'isolate' and hear ONLY what you are trying to hear. It takes practice, but it certainly can be done. Use the most narrow filter at first. Then widden it out. Picking up more and more interference, and try to pick out the characters. Its fun. Dan/W4NTI |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... S. Hanrahan wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:19:54 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Me too. I can copy 45-50 WPM in my head, but I can't write it down fast enough for a full complete one minute of copy. I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - My OM would practice Morse on the computer at night working to relearn Morse after I went to bed at night and sure enough, I drifted off to sleep to the sounds of the code! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... S. Hanrahan wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:19:54 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Yet 5wpm will even put me to sleep. Me too. I can copy 45-50 WPM in my head, but I can't write it down fast enough for a full complete one minute of copy. I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) Ahhhhhh! But Mike! To SOME of us it IS music to the ear! You know, I'm starting to get frustrated again. I can do nearly 20 wpm listening to NuMorse with headphones and in a quiet room. But the leaast bit of background noise, or the conditions on the air, and my speed drops like a rock. I hope I'm not running up against my personal limitations. Just keep at it. It probably means you're not quite solid at that speed yet. Once again you may be expecting too much too soon. FYI, my comfort zone is 15wpm although I passed the 20. I just don't work it enough to stay at and be comfortable at 20. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:19:49 -0500, Mike Coslo wrote:
I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) I've worked pileups in my sleep the night after Field Day is over. heh heh ;) Stacey/AA7YA |
S. Hanrahan wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:19:49 -0500, Mike Coslo wrote: I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) I've worked pileups in my sleep the night after Field Day is over. heh heh ;) I'm guilty if that too! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Hey Mike!
Believe it or not, that does work for some people. I do know of one person who took a different letter per night and used a program like NuMorse to send that letter/character for a certain length of time. (create a text file with enough characters to keep the program sending long enough, and have the program read from that file.) After a while he got 'em all. -- Ryan KC8PMX Why is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a barbecue? I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
You know, I'm starting to get frustrated again. I can do nearly 20 wpm listening to NuMorse with headphones and in a quiet room. But the leaast bit of background noise, or the conditions on the air, and my speed drops like a rock. I hope I'm not running up against my personal limitations. NuMorse Professional has a feature to add QRN in various flavors plus QSB to the code. Tony. G4AUD. NuMorse developer. |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... S. Hanrahan wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:19:49 -0500, Mike Coslo wrote: I keep getting these images of you two listening to a ARRL Morse code CD to fall asleep to, instead of the music most people would use! 8^) I've worked pileups in my sleep the night after Field Day is over. heh heh ;) I'm guilty if that too! - Mike KB3EIA - Although I am only a casual contester, sometimes I'll hear CW in my sleep if I've worked one harder than normal. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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