(N2EY) wrote in message ...
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(Brian) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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The following isn't exactly a new idea, but some may not have seen it
yet...

Maybe the way out of the mess is for a Smith Chart test to replace
the code test.

So you still want the Amateur Radio Service to be the exclusive domain
of the Electrical Engineer's?

Nope. One does not have to be an EE in order to understand, and use, the Smith
Chart. Many hams who are not EEs have Smithc Chart knowledge and skill. Many
EEs do not.

Name ONE school that teaches Smith Charts that is not an Engineering school.

Just ONE!

btw, the plural of "Electrical Engineer" is "Electrical Engineers" not
"Electrical Engineer's". "Electrical Engineer's" is the possessive

So Electrical Engineers want to posess all of Amatuer Radio?

I don't think that's what the FCC wants, but since the NCVEC can do
any damned thing they want, go ahead and put it to them.

NCVEC could not create a separate Smith Chart test without FCC approval.

Bull****!

And
they could not deviate from multiple-choice format.

Bull****!

It's obvious that irony is not one of your strong points, Brian.

It is obvious that NCVEC reality is not one of yours.

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(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
The following isn't exactly a new idea, but some may not have seen it
yet...

Maybe the way out of the mess is for a Smith Chart test to replace
the code test.

So you still want the Amateur Radio Service to be the exclusive domain
of the Electrical Engineer's?

Nope. One does not have to be an EE in order to understand, and use, the Smith
Chart. Many hams who are not EEs have Smithc Chart knowledge and skill. Many
EEs do not.

Name ONE school that teaches Smith Charts that is not an Engineering school.

Just ONE!

Why?

Smith Chart use is not usually an enginnering school course. It's
something those interested are expected to learn on their own, like
how to use a calculator today, or a slide rule in years gone by.

I learned the Chart from the ARRL Antenna Book, not from EE school.

btw, the plural of "Electrical Engineer" is "Electrical Engineers" not
"Electrical Engineer's". "Electrical Engineer's" is the possessive

So Electrical Engineers want to posess all of Amatuer Radio?

Ask vshah101, that's his mantra.

I don't think that's what the FCC wants, but since the NCVEC can do
any damned thing they want, go ahead and put it to them.

NCVEC could not create a separate Smith Chart test without FCC approval.

Bull****!

Yes, that's what your posts are usually full of, Brian.

Part 97 specifically lists the tests for each class of license.

Right now there are three written tests, all multiple choice. And one
code test. No Smith Chart test.

And
they could not deviate from multiple-choice format.

Bull****!

You really should read Part 97.

It's obvious that irony is not one of your strong points, Brian.

It is obvious that NCVEC reality is not one of yours.

That's just plain wrong. NCVEC cannot add a Smith Chart test for the
reasons I listed. Read Part 97.

Besides, NCVEC complains that the code test requires too much work
from the VEs and is too stressful on those being tested. I can imagine
what they'd say if they had to supervise and grade a Smith Chart test.

And I can imagine how much you'd complain and argue if a Smith Chart
test were substituted for the code test.

73 de Jim, N2EY

--

today we lost a truly excitable boy - Warren Zevon. RIP.

N2EY wrote:

today we lost a truly excitable boy - Warren Zevon. RIP.

Darn! 8^( I've heard his last album is pretty good.



- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

today we lost a truly excitable boy - Warren Zevon. RIP.

Darn! 8^( I've heard his last album is pretty good.

There all pretty good. Ya gotta respect a guy who, diagnosed with terminal lung
cancer and given 2 months to live, keeps going for over a year and releases
such tracks as a cover of Dylan's "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" and "I'll Sleep
When I'm Dead".

But my favorite is "Excitable Boy", which, besides the title track, includes
such classics as:

Werewolves of London
Nighttime in the Switching Yard
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner

--

A great talent, gone but never forgotten.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


N2EY wrote:


today we lost a truly excitable boy - Warren Zevon. RIP.

Darn! 8^( I've heard his last album is pretty good.


There all pretty good. Ya gotta respect a guy who, diagnosed with terminal lung
cancer and given 2 months to live, keeps going for over a year and releases
such tracks as a cover of Dylan's "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" and "I'll Sleep
When I'm Dead".

But my favorite is "Excitable Boy", which, besides the title track, includes
such classics as:

Werewolves of London
Nighttime in the Switching Yard
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner


They played a cut from his new album. Good stuff, though pretty soft
edged for him. You could play it on a folk music show. Understandable
under the circumstances. It's gonna be my next buy.

The only thing I'm surprised about is that no one has mentioned my
favorite Warren Zevon song, "Lawyers, Guns, and Money".

- Mike KB3EIA -

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(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
The following isn't exactly a new idea, but some may not have seen it
yet...

Maybe the way out of the mess is for a Smith Chart test to replace
the code test.

So you still want the Amateur Radio Service to be the exclusive domain
of the Electrical Engineer's?

Nope. One does not have to be an EE in order to understand, and use, the Smith
Chart. Many hams who are not EEs have Smithc Chart knowledge and skill. Many
EEs do not.

Name ONE school that teaches Smith Charts that is not an Engineering school.

Just ONE!

Why?

Can't you?

Smith Chart use is not usually an enginnering school course.

Didn't say it was. Why does it have to be a course? Why can't it be
ancilliary training?

Did you use the Smith Chart while attending Engineering School?

It's
something those interested are expected to learn on their own,

Expected by whom?

So why suggest the FCC/VEC test it?

like
how to use a calculator today, or a slide rule in years gone by.

Or EZ-NEC?

I learned the Chart from the ARRL Antenna Book, not from EE school.

So EE schools don't even teach it, yet you promote it in the amateur
service?

btw, the plural of "Electrical Engineer" is "Electrical Engineers" not
"Electrical Engineer's". "Electrical Engineer's" is the possessive

So Electrical Engineers want to posess all of Amatuer Radio?

Ask vshah101, that's his mantra.

The argument is much older than Vipul, and you darned well know it.

I don't think that's what the FCC wants, but since the NCVEC can do
any damned thing they want, go ahead and put it to them.

NCVEC could not create a separate Smith Chart test without FCC approval.

Bull****!

Yes, that's what your posts are usually full of, Brian.

Part 97 specifically lists the tests for each class of license.

And what of the contents of those tests? Does the FCC mandate what
material is to be tested, or can the NCVEC slip in just about anything
they want, in any quantity they want?

Right now there are three written tests, all multiple choice. And one
code test. No Smith Chart test.

Then why must you promote the idea of "No Charts International?"

And
they could not deviate from multiple-choice format.

Bull****!

You really should read Part 97.

Not a problem. You should suggest the NCVEC read it.

It's obvious that irony is not one of your strong points, Brian.

It is obvious that NCVEC reality is not one of yours.

That's just plain wrong. NCVEC cannot add a Smith Chart test for the
reasons I listed. Read Part 97.

They can slide it in to any existing exam. No questions asked. With
the QP loaded with Smith Chart questions, they could deny access to
any of the 3 license classes.

Besides, NCVEC complains that the code test requires too much work
from the VEs and is too stressful on those being tested. I can imagine
what they'd say if they had to supervise and grade a Smith Chart test.

It would have to be multiple choice, remember???

And I can imagine how much you'd complain and argue if a Smith Chart
test were substituted for the code test.

How much?

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In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
The following isn't exactly a new idea, but some may not have
seen it yet...

Maybe the way out of the mess is for a Smith Chart test to
replace the code test.

So you still want the Amateur Radio Service to be the exclusive
domain of the Electrical Engineer's?

Nope. One does not have to be an EE in order to understand, and
use, the Smith Chart. Many hams who are not EEs have Smithc Chart
knowledge and skill. Many EEs do not.

Name ONE school that teaches Smith Charts that is not an Engineering
school.

Just ONE!

Why?

Can't you?

Smith Chart use is not usually an enginnering school course.

Didn't say it was. Why does it have to be a course? Why can't it be
ancilliary training?

Did you use the Smith Chart while attending Engineering School?

It's
something those interested are expected to learn on their own,

Expected by whom?

So why suggest the FCC/VEC test it?

like
how to use a calculator today, or a slide rule in years gone by.

Or EZ-NEC?

I learned the Chart from the ARRL Antenna Book, not from EE school.

So EE schools don't even teach it, yet you promote it in the amateur
service?

btw, the plural of "Electrical Engineer" is "Electrical Engineers"
not "Electrical Engineer's". "Electrical Engineer's" is the
possessive

So Electrical Engineers want to posess all of Amatuer Radio?

Ask vshah101, that's his mantra.

The argument is much older than Vipul, and you darned well know it.

I don't think that's what the FCC wants, but since the NCVEC can
do any damned thing they want, go ahead and put it to them.

NCVEC could not create a separate Smith Chart test without FCC
approval.

Bull****!

Yes, that's what your posts are usually full of, Brian.

Part 97 specifically lists the tests for each class of license.

And what of the contents of those tests? Does the FCC mandate what
material is to be tested, or can the NCVEC slip in just about anything
they want, in any quantity they want?

Right now there are three written tests, all multiple choice. And one
code test. No Smith Chart test.

Then why must you promote the idea of "No Charts International?"

And
they could not deviate from multiple-choice format.

Bull****!

You really should read Part 97.

Not a problem. You should suggest the NCVEC read it.

It's obvious that irony is not one of your strong points, Brian.

It is obvious that NCVEC reality is not one of yours.

That's just plain wrong. NCVEC cannot add a Smith Chart test for the
reasons I listed. Read Part 97.

They can slide it in to any existing exam. No questions asked. With
the QP loaded with Smith Chart questions, they could deny access to
any of the 3 license classes.

Besides, NCVEC complains that the code test requires too much work
from the VEs and is too stressful on those being tested. I can imagine
what they'd say if they had to supervise and grade a Smith Chart test.

It would have to be multiple choice, remember???

And I can imagine how much you'd complain and argue if a Smith Chart
test were substituted for the code test.

How much?


I was certainly taught how to use a Smith chart in engineering school. Not
only that, but how to derive the axes mathematically. The latter I have
forgotten, but I will never forget how to use one. There again, I went to
engineering school in Emgland, where you don't have to do 'English 101' or
'Western Civilization' if you study engineering, hence sufficient time to
learn about Smith Charts!

73 de N3KIP

"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...
I was certainly taught how to use a Smith chart in engineering school. Not
only that, but how to derive the axes mathematically. The latter I have
forgotten, but I will never forget how to use one. There again, I went to
engineering school in England, where you don't have to do 'English 101' or
'Western Civilization' if you study engineering, hence sufficient time to
learn about Smith Charts!

73 de N3KIP

While attending school for aeronautical engineering, one of the prerequisite
courses was English literature...and we were made to suffer! hihi

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI