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"Kim W5TIT" wrote
When I was drawn to and got my ticket, you know what the greatest relief was? Being able to turn a radio on and not hear all that hissing, heterodyning, etc.!!! FM is great and that is what I like most about ham radio. HF sucks for all the noise. Well, I feel exactly the opposite. To me, FM is boring, but hidden in all that noise and hissing on HF are the reasons I love ham radio. Reasons like John, 9M2GV, an expat Brit running a rubber plantation overlooking the Mallacca Straits. Reasons like Sparky, W3UBM/MM making the Pacific runs on the rusty old SS Manderson Victory. Reasons like working K0IR (as VK0IR) on three modes and five bands from Heard Island, almost at the antipode on the low side of the freckles-del-Sol. In other words, picking out an almost ghostly signal from the molecular noise of the universe and finding a friend, a kindred soul playing exhuberantly in the ether. FM sucks for all the silence. YMMV. 73, de Hans, K0HB Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
"Hans Kohb" wrote in message
news:23340ef8c0f36832979d5f2d70c241e4.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org... "Kim W5TIT" wrote When I was drawn to and got my ticket, you know what the greatest relief was? Being able to turn a radio on and not hear all that hissing, heterodyning, etc.!!! FM is great and that is what I like most about ham radio. HF sucks for all the noise. Well, I feel exactly the opposite. To me, FM is boring, but hidden in all that noise and hissing on HF are the reasons I love ham radio. Reasons like John, 9M2GV, an expat Brit running a rubber plantation overlooking the Mallacca Straits. Reasons like Sparky, W3UBM/MM making the Pacific runs on the rusty old SS Manderson Victory. Reasons like working K0IR (as VK0IR) on three modes and five bands from Heard Island, almost at the antipode on the low side of the freckles-del-Sol. In other words, picking out an almost ghostly signal from the molecular noise of the universe and finding a friend, a kindred soul playing exhuberantly in the ether. FM sucks for all the silence. YMMV. 73, de Hans, K0HB Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke You definitely have a point with the exhilaration of a long-distance contact--especially if they are willing to slow down long enough to get into a ragchew! But, these days--for someone like me anyway--the "contact" can be had over the internet. If we're talking pleasure contacts--those where we take some time to "get to know" someone--internet definitely takes the upper hand for me. If we're talking necessity radio--that part where communication necessity comes into play--ham radio has it hands down. Kim W5TIT |
"Hans Kohb" wrote in message news:23340ef8c0f36832979d5f2d70c241e4.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org... Well, I feel exactly the opposite. To me, FM is boring, but hidden in all that noise and hissing on HF are the reasons I love ham radio. Reasons like John, 9M2GV, an expat Brit running a rubber plantation overlooking the Mallacca Straits. Reasons like Sparky, W3UBM/MM making the Pacific runs on the rusty old SS Manderson Victory. Reasons like working K0IR (as VK0IR) on three modes and five bands from Heard Island, almost at the antipode on the low side of the freckles-del-Sol. In other words, picking out an almost ghostly signal from the molecular noise of the universe and finding a friend, a kindred soul playing exhuberantly in the ether. FM sucks for all the silence. I like that! Charles Brabham, N5PVL |
In article ilgate.org, "Hans
Kohb" writes: hidden in all that noise and hissing on HF are the reasons I love ham radio. Reasons like John, 9M2GV, an expat Brit running a rubber plantation overlooking the Mallacca Straits. Reasons like Sparky, W3UBM/MM making the Pacific runs on the rusty old SS Manderson Victory. Reasons like working K0IR (as VK0IR) on three modes and five bands from Heard Island, almost at the antipode on the low side of the freckles-del-Sol. In other words, picking out an almost ghostly signal from the molecular noise of the universe and finding a friend, a kindred soul playing exhuberantly in the ether. But...but Hans, we've been told repeatedly that "better modes and modulations" have made all that "antiquated, horse and buggy" "electronic paintball war" stuff "obsolete". The "professionals" don't do any of that - who are we to stand against "progress"? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Hans Kohb" wrote in message news:23340ef8c0f36832979d5f2d70c241e4.128005@myga te.mailgate.org...
"Kim W5TIT" wrote When I was drawn to and got my ticket, you know what the greatest relief was? Being able to turn a radio on and not hear all that hissing, heterodyning, etc.!!! FM is great and that is what I like most about ham radio. HF sucks for all the noise. Well, I feel exactly the opposite. To me, FM is boring, but hidden in all that noise and hissing on HF are the reasons I love ham radio. Reasons like John, 9M2GV, an expat Brit running a rubber plantation overlooking the Mallacca Straits. Reasons like Sparky, W3UBM/MM making the Pacific runs on the rusty old SS Manderson Victory. Reasons like working K0IR (as VK0IR) on three modes and five bands from Heard Island, almost at the antipode on the low side of the freckles-del-Sol. In other words, picking out an almost ghostly signal from the molecular noise of the universe and finding a friend, a kindred soul playing exhuberantly in the ether. BINGO! . . . they can't be "bothered" . . "Viva le Rubber Duckie!" BAH! FM sucks for all the silence. Creeping phenomenon around he 2M SSB. Turns out 2M "simplex SSB" is often beating the area coverages of the machines. Whatta big surprise. Typical exchange when a machine drops into one of it's BS levels: "OK, George let's get outta this nonsense, take it 145.XXX." No roger beeps, no machine politics, no duckie operators, real radio. YMMV. 73, de Hans, K0HB Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke w3rv |
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"Hans Kohb" wrote in message news:23340ef8c0f36832979d5f2d70c241e4.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org... "Kim W5TIT" wrote When I was drawn to and got my ticket, you know what the greatest relief was? Being able to turn a radio on and not hear all that hissing, heterodyning, etc.!!! FM is great and that is what I like most about ham radio. HF sucks for all the noise. Well, I feel exactly the opposite. To me, FM is boring, but hidden in all that noise and hissing on HF are the reasons I love ham radio. Reasons like John, 9M2GV, an expat Brit running a rubber plantation overlooking the Mallacca Straits. Reasons like Sparky, W3UBM/MM making the Pacific runs on the rusty old SS Manderson Victory. Reasons like working K0IR (as VK0IR) on three modes and five bands from Heard Island, almost at the antipode on the low side of the freckles-del-Sol. In other words, picking out an almost ghostly signal from the molecular noise of the universe and finding a friend, a kindred soul playing exhuberantly in the ether. FM sucks for all the silence. YMMV. 73, de Hans, K0HB Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Ah the days of 'real radio'. Yes indeed Hans you have a way with words. Too bad Kim has me blocked. I'd slap her around a bit.. hi. Dan/W4NTI |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Hans Kohb" wrote in message news:23340ef8c0f36832979d5f2d70c241e4.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org... "Kim W5TIT" wrote When I was drawn to and got my ticket, you know what the greatest relief was? Being able to turn a radio on and not hear all that hissing, heterodyning, etc.!!! FM is great and that is what I like most about ham radio. HF sucks for all the noise. Well, I feel exactly the opposite. To me, FM is boring, but hidden in all that noise and hissing on HF are the reasons I love ham radio. Reasons like John, 9M2GV, an expat Brit running a rubber plantation overlooking the Mallacca Straits. Reasons like Sparky, W3UBM/MM making the Pacific runs on the rusty old SS Manderson Victory. Reasons like working K0IR (as VK0IR) on three modes and five bands from Heard Island, almost at the antipode on the low side of the freckles-del-Sol. In other words, picking out an almost ghostly signal from the molecular noise of the universe and finding a friend, a kindred soul playing exhuberantly in the ether. FM sucks for all the silence. YMMV. 73, de Hans, K0HB Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke You definitely have a point with the exhilaration of a long-distance contact--especially if they are willing to slow down long enough to get into a ragchew! But, these days--for someone like me anyway--the "contact" can be had over the internet. If we're talking pleasure contacts--those where we take some time to "get to know" someone--internet definitely takes the upper hand for me. If we're talking necessity radio--that part where communication necessity comes into play--ham radio has it hands down. Kim W5TIT This commentary from hug and chalk Kim should prove, to those that were wavering...that she has no concept at all of what ham radio is all about. Dan/W4NTI |
(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com... (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian) writes: "Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... N2EY wrote: It's self-evident that a radio amateur who has no Morse code skills is not a fully qualified radio amateur, particularly for HF/MF amateur operation. That's a plain and simple fact. What is it about plain and simple facts that so confuses NCI members? Duh!!! We know you are confused, Brian. "Duh!!!" doens't indicate a lack of confusion My point exactly. Yet you said it did. We know you are confused, Brian. We? You got a mouse in your pocket? Why does it have to be "particularly for HF/MF operations?" Because that's where Morse operation by amateurs is most common. If a lack of Morse code skills renders one less than a fully qualified amateur radio operator, It does. Get over it. Can't. I've had Morse whether I liked it or not. So does lack of a lot of other skills. What skills do you lack? I would think "praticularly for VHF+ operation" would have been more appropriate for the very reason you gave. That makes no sense at all. Since everyone presently on HF had to go thru the Morse hoop, and those on VHF+ didn't necessarily have to do it... We know you are confused, Brian. Too bad things must be explained to you in the minutest of detail. Duh!!! again. Exactly. You keep proving my point for me. Thanks. So what do you lack to be a fully qualified radio amateur, particularly for HF/MF amateur operation? |
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In article , Dick Carroll
writes: My mileage does not vary in the least, Hans. And this is a large part of what separates the......... Oh well, probably enough has already been written on the subject. Dick: Then allow me to say it. It separates the Real Hams from the unmotivated, disinterested 2-meter FM jockeys who wouldn't know a challenging and satisfactory radio operating experience if it landed on their big toe. --------------------------------------------------------- BTW, I think the last time I turned on my linear amp was when I worked that etherial signal from the other side of the planet, VK0IR, on a near-dead 20 meter CW band. Their response to my 100 watt calls was "didi dum dum didi", and "QRZ?" Running 1400 watts out, the recognition was immediate. Dick I'll bet. It would have been interesting to see if 250 watts would have made the trip. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , (K0HB) writes: (N2EY) wrote Would you enjoy it as much if your QSOs went through a series of automated digital systems that would insure perfect copy at both ends with no operator skill required? Because I'm a 'tinkerer' sort, with a strong sense of curiousity, certainly yes, at least the first handful of times, just to see what made it work. Wouldn't you? Like you, it would be interesting *the first handful of times*. But after that? You guys have managed to precisely describe what happened to packet radio, when packet/internet gateways were intoduced into the network, to "speed things up", and make it more "reliable". Hams using HF to route messages over long distances would find that they could no longer send those messages because they were already there, forwarded over the Internet in order to "speed things up" and make packet more "reliable"... As a direct result of this misuse of packet/internet gateways in order to "route around" hams using radio, an organized, global HF digital network, one of the most impressive accomplishments ever by hams around the world, was undermined and eventually destroyed. Dozens of digital HF stations around the world had to shut down, deprived of traffic while others were overloaded by tons of inappropriate overseas traffic shovelled into our VHF/UHF networks through the packet/internet gateways. And, as you noted in your post, U.S. hams found the new non-ham network intrusion to be interesting *the first handful of times*, then they lost interest in packet altogether. It was no longer ham radio. The packet/Internet gateways speeded things up as advertised, but in view of the fact that they undercut and eventually destroyed the network, they could hardly be said to have made the network more reliable on anything but a short-term, short-sighted basis. In Europe, where it was illegal to impose non-ham networking into an amateur radio network, the packet network continued to advance and grow all the time that ours was dying away from lack of interest. Interest in the Internet is often put forward as a cause for the setback in the U.S. digital network, but it should be noted that European hams had Internet access during this time as well, and it did not have that affect upon them, despite the fact that they had cable access to the Internet long before it was common here in the U.S.. The difference was that the Europeans stuck with ham radio in their digital ham radio network, and we didn't. It's that simple. The "series of automated digital systems that would insure perfect copy at both ends with no operator skill required" took the fun out of packet radio, here in the U.S., and that is why USPN considers non-ham networking to be off-topic, irrelevant to the business of rebuilding a digital amateur radio network here in the U.S., where the misuse and abuse of packet/internet gateways has already caused us so much damage, and has set us back so far. Besides, there is the simple, no-brainer fact that you cannot provide emergency backup for a network that you are dependant upon. - Like a special number to dial when the phones go dead, systems such as EchoLink and packet/Internet gateways are inherently useless for emergency communications and do nothing to advance our understanding and use of radio, and so are ultimately irrelevant to our purpose as hams. In the area of packet radio, we are making some great progress in eliminating this problem here in the U.S... Sad to say, the repeater folks may have to go through the same crippling slump and lack of interest before they too begin to clean up their act and get back to ham radio. Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPN http://www.uspacket.net |
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