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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Dick Carroll" wrote in message ... YOU CAN EMAIL MISS ABERNATHY AT THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS AND I URGE EVERYONE TO DO SO. I would advise against a mass-mailing campaign to the Commissioner's direct e-mail address. The last time the FCC Commissioners got "mail-bombed" by hams all it did was PO them. They have staff and a comment/reply comment process ... which have been used and will continue to be used. ARRL has done an EXCELLENT job on their technical materials and the video is a very compelling demonstration of just how bad the interference really is. We are just at the "Notice of Inquiry" stage now ... please don't flame the FCC (and particularly the Commissioners) ... that will just cause more harm than good. I believe that NTIA will come down hard on our side on this. The US Govt agencies that they represent have a LOT of HF channels that they use and will want to protect ... Agreed, Carl. I suspect that by the end of this sad tale, many amateurs will think much better of the NTIA. Rather than mass emails, right now an interesting and very good experiment might be to do a little HF direction finding.Trace the "mystery signals" to their source. Write it up in a reasonably good fashion, and it might make for some more damning evidence against BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message . .. Carl R. Stevenson wrote: I would advise against a mass-mailing campaign to the Commissioner's direct e-mail address. The last time the FCC Commissioners got "mail-bombed" by hams all it did was PO them. They have staff and a comment/reply comment process ... which have been used and will continue to be used. ARRL has done an EXCELLENT job on their technical materials and the video is a very compelling demonstration of just how bad the interference really is. We are just at the "Notice of Inquiry" stage now ... please don't flame the FCC (and particularly the Commissioners) ... that will just cause more harm than good. I believe that NTIA will come down hard on our side on this. The US Govt agencies that they represent have a LOT of HF channels that they use and will want to protect ... Agreed, Carl. I suspect that by the end of this sad tale, many amateurs will think much better of the NTIA. Rather than mass emails, right now an interesting and very good experiment might be to do a little HF direction finding.Trace the "mystery signals" to their source. Write it up in a reasonably good fashion, and it might make for some more damning evidence against BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - Mike, You don't have to DF ... you can clearly tell just by listening when you're approaching, in, and leaving the BPL area ... and you can see the couplers they use to get the signal around the transformers. Carl - wk3c |
Carl R. Stevenson wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message some snippage Agreed, Carl. I suspect that by the end of this sad tale, many amateurs will think much better of the NTIA. Rather than mass emails, right now an interesting and very good experiment might be to do a little HF direction finding.Trace the "mystery signals" to their source. Write it up in a reasonably good fashion, and it might make for some more damning evidence against BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - Mike, You don't have to DF ... you can clearly tell just by listening when you're approaching, in, and leaving the BPL area ... and you can see the couplers they use to get the signal around the transformers. I agree that it wouldn't be a difficult thing to find. I just think that if an amateur or group were to take an approach that didn't start out "I can hear the BPL intereference 60 miles away", it might have more impact. Something like " On such and such date, a strong interference showed up on such and such bands. As the interference did not do away, a local group of amateurs and myself decided to trace the interference to it's source. Then an outline of the DF method, and finally decribing the cause after finding it. The point is that if people can easily trace out the interference from far away, it hammers home that it isn't really a local problem. - Mike KB3EIA - |
My thought is that it's looking more and more like FCC has already
made up their minds, or maybe more accurately had their minds made up for them. In that case, nothing short of Congressional action to overturn their action will stave it off. That might prove a real problem given who is lobbying whom these days. Dick My point exactly, you can send Millions of replys to the FCC, its not going to make any difference. There is way to much MONEY ridding on this thing, and a BUNCH of WHINNING Hams are not about to sway the FCC and BIG Money. |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Carl R. Stevenson wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message some snippage Agreed, Carl. I suspect that by the end of this sad tale, many amateurs will think much better of the NTIA. Rather than mass emails, right now an interesting and very good experiment might be to do a little HF direction finding.Trace the "mystery signals" to their source. Write it up in a reasonably good fashion, and it might make for some more damning evidence against BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - Mike, You don't have to DF ... you can clearly tell just by listening when you're approaching, in, and leaving the BPL area ... and you can see the couplers they use to get the signal around the transformers. I agree that it wouldn't be a difficult thing to find. I just think that if an amateur or group were to take an approach that didn't start out "I can hear the BPL intereference 60 miles away", it might have more impact. Something like " On such and such date, a strong interference showed up on such and such bands. As the interference did not do away, a local group of amateurs and myself decided to trace the interference to it's source. Then an outline of the DF method, and finally decribing the cause after finding it. The point is that if people can easily trace out the interference from far away, it hammers home that it isn't really a local problem. - Mike KB3EIA - Don't forget the 8X10 glossies with circles and arrows. |
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So what do you suggest? We should just sit on our butts and watch it
go down without a fight or what? Maybe when pigs learn to fly! w3rv You can fight all you want, if that makes you fell better. But Big Money is controlling this, and 1800 comments fron a bunch of Hams is nothing. |
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(WA8ULX) poked his head
out of the killfile somehow to stir the pot with the following negativity: You just couldnt stand not hearing from me. One question, though - would it be too much to ask for you to perhaps get on board with the rest of the Amateur community and work with us to fight this issue? Im not against the ISSUE, I think its a good move for the common man. If Ham Radio cant figure out how to live with sharing, and Modern Improved Technology, then HAM RADIO most go. As an alternative, could I respectfully suggest that you transition to your replacement hobby early - we've heard as much whining and negativity as should be expected for the average group of humans to endure.... Well Im already involved in other things, but, I will hang around to see the final Demise of HAM RADIO |
Leo wrote:
On 30 Sep 2003 17:23:26 GMT, (WA8ULX) poked his head out of the killfile somehow to stir the pot with the following negativity: You can fight all you want, if that makes you fell better. But Big Money is controlling this, and 1800 comments fron a bunch of Hams is nothing. Well, As Yogi Berra once said - "It ain't over until its over..." This brings up something, Leo. How about eliminating the Morse Code tests, and replacing them with a test on Yogi Berra quotes? now there is something I could go for!! 8^) - mike KB3EIA - |
Hmmm - gotta admit, that's the first time I've heard that suggestion!
This calls for a couple more! 8^p "Half the game is 90% mental" "This is like deja vu all over again" 73, Leo On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:57:49 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: Leo wrote: On 30 Sep 2003 17:23:26 GMT, (WA8ULX) poked his head out of the killfile somehow to stir the pot with the following negativity: You can fight all you want, if that makes you fell better. But Big Money is controlling this, and 1800 comments fron a bunch of Hams is nothing. Well, As Yogi Berra once said - "It ain't over until its over..." This brings up something, Leo. How about eliminating the Morse Code tests, and replacing them with a test on Yogi Berra quotes? now there is something I could go for!! 8^) - mike KB3EIA - |
Leo wrote: Hmmm - gotta admit, that's the first time I've heard that suggestion! This calls for a couple more! 8^p "Half the game is 90% mental" "This is like deja vu all over again" For the future of the ARS: "If you come to a fork in the road take it." And to paraphrase: "No one uses CW any more. The allocations are too crowded" He the man! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike,
Was that allocations, or allegations ....? :*0 73, Leo On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:36:55 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: snip "No one uses CW any more. The allocations are too crowded" He the man! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Carl R. Stevenson wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message some snippage Agreed, Carl. I suspect that by the end of this sad tale, many amateurs will think much better of the NTIA. Rather than mass emails, right now an interesting and very good experiment might be to do a little HF direction finding.Trace the "mystery signals" to their source. Write it up in a reasonably good fashion, and it might make for some more damning evidence against BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - Mike, You don't have to DF ... you can clearly tell just by listening when you're approaching, in, and leaving the BPL area ... and you can see the couplers they use to get the signal around the transformers. I agree that it wouldn't be a difficult thing to find. I just think that if an amateur or group were to take an approach that didn't start out "I can hear the BPL intereference 60 miles away", it might have more impact. Something like " On such and such date, a strong interference showed up on such and such bands. As the interference did not do away, a local group of amateurs and myself decided to trace the interference to it's source. Then an outline of the DF method, and finally decribing the cause after finding it. The point is that if people can easily trace out the interference from far away, it hammers home that it isn't really a local problem. - Mike KB3EIA - Don't forget the 8X10 glossies with circles and arrows. We use Power point now....... - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Brian wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Carl R. Stevenson wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message some snippage Agreed, Carl. I suspect that by the end of this sad tale, many amateurs will think much better of the NTIA. Rather than mass emails, right now an interesting and very good experiment might be to do a little HF direction finding.Trace the "mystery signals" to their source. Write it up in a reasonably good fashion, and it might make for some more damning evidence against BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - Mike, You don't have to DF ... you can clearly tell just by listening when you're approaching, in, and leaving the BPL area ... and you can see the couplers they use to get the signal around the transformers. I agree that it wouldn't be a difficult thing to find. I just think that if an amateur or group were to take an approach that didn't start out "I can hear the BPL intereference 60 miles away", it might have more impact. Something like " On such and such date, a strong interference showed up on such and such bands. As the interference did not do away, a local group of amateurs and myself decided to trace the interference to it's source. Then an outline of the DF method, and finally decribing the cause after finding it. The point is that if people can easily trace out the interference from far away, it hammers home that it isn't really a local problem. - Mike KB3EIA - Don't forget the 8X10 glossies with circles and arrows. We use Power point now....... - Mike KB3EIA - I thought you liked doing things the old-fashioned way, like eating at Alice's restuarant. |
Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... snippage We use Power point now....... - Mike KB3EIA - I thought you liked doing things the old-fashioned way, like eating at Alice's restuarant. Dunno where you got that Brian! I'm a thoroughly modern Millie. - Mike KB3EIA - |
It isn't about sharing, it's about letting unlicensed stations rule HF.
This will affect other services and that is when the goo will hit the blades. FM broadcasting, for instance. AM broadcasting will likely be affected, especially those stations experimenting with digital stereo AM broadcasting. You, like so many others, seem to think it is all about the hams (gee, my washing machine is over-sudsing. Must be that ham down the street). The problem is that if BPL becomes widespread, you will have reception problems everywhere. How will the FCC ever get anyone to certify their computers, radios, televisions, copiers, and so on, when the open air test sites will *not* be able to tell if equipments meets FCC requirements due to all of that garbage everywhere. OATS sites test for radiated signals in upper HF through UHF and the whole HF range plus part of VHF will be buried in noise. Oh, I forgot. Ship all the testing to China. Makes sense. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "WA8ULX" wrote in message ... (WA8ULX) poked his head out of the killfile somehow to stir the pot with the following negativity: You just couldnt stand not hearing from me. One question, though - would it be too much to ask for you to perhaps get on board with the rest of the Amateur community and work with us to fight this issue? Im not against the ISSUE, I think its a good move for the common man. If Ham Radio cant figure out how to live with sharing, and Modern Improved Technology, then HAM RADIO most go. As an alternative, could I respectfully suggest that you transition to your replacement hobby early - we've heard as much whining and negativity as should be expected for the average group of humans to endure.... Well Im already involved in other things, but, I will hang around to see the final Demise of HAM RADIO --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/03 |
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