In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
. com...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

I think I've taken the high ground

Carl, with all due respect, using abrasive and derisive terms like
"jumping through hoops" is not "the high ground". It is your same old
baiting and condescending rhetoric, seemingly calculated to be
inflamatory and divisive.

"jumping through hoops" is "abrasive and drisive" ???

Yes, it is. The image is not complimentary. Would you like the written tests
described that way?

So are phrases like

"waste valuable time learning Morse"
"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

You must have
REALLY thin skin Hans.

In my experience Hans does not have a 'thin skin' at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
. com...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

I think I've taken the high ground

Carl, with all due respect, using abrasive and derisive terms like
"jumping through hoops" is not "the high ground". It is your same old
baiting and condescending rhetoric, seemingly calculated to be
inflamatory and divisive.

"jumping through hoops" is "abrasive and drisive" ???

Yes, it is. The image is not complimentary. Would you like the written
tests
described that way?

So are phrases like

"waste valuable time learning Morse"

I consider my time a very valuable resource as do many others.
Wy is a comment which describes time wwasted by people who
don't wish to expend it learning morse considered uncomplimentary?

"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Me thinks as the end approaches...the PCTA side is grasping
at straws. I suggest not playing in the political arena of change if
such phraseology offends.

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

Sure wouldn't bother me. But then I've learned to disregard
most rheteroic anyway. 12 years as an elected official teaches
one to accept the heat or get out-of-the-kitchen.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
. com...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

I think I've taken the high ground

Carl, with all due respect, using abrasive and derisive terms like
"jumping through hoops" is not "the high ground". It is your same old
baiting and condescending rhetoric, seemingly calculated to be
inflamatory and divisive.

"jumping through hoops" is "abrasive and drisive" ???

Yes, it is. The image is not complimentary. Would you like the written
tests
described that way?

So are phrases like

"waste valuable time learning Morse"

I consider my time a very valuable resource as do many others.

Everyone's time is valuable, not just RF engineers'

Wy is a comment which describes time wwasted by people who
don't wish to expend it learning morse considered uncomplimentary?

It says that learning the mode is a waste of time.

What is wrong with saying:

"I don't want to *spend* the time necessary to learn...."

"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Me thinks as the end approaches...the PCTA side is grasping
at straws. I suggest not playing in the political arena of change if
such phraseology offends.

Are you saying I should simply shut up and go away? That's not like you at all,
Bill.

Carl claimed he had "taken the high ground". And for the most part of that
post, he did. But he did let a few derogatory phrases slip in.

Hans, K0HB also took note of them, and Hans is definitely not a 'PCTA grasping
at straws'.

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

Sure wouldn't bother me. But then I've learned to disregard
most rheteroic anyway. 12 years as an elected official teaches
one to accept the heat or get out-of-the-kitchen.

I thought the point of this thread was to avoid the 'heat'.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
. com...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

I think I've taken the high ground

Carl, with all due respect, using abrasive and derisive terms like
"jumping through hoops" is not "the high ground". It is your same
old
baiting and condescending rhetoric, seemingly calculated to be
inflamatory and divisive.

"jumping through hoops" is "abrasive and drisive" ???

Yes, it is. The image is not complimentary. Would you like the written
tests
described that way?

So are phrases like

"waste valuable time learning Morse"

I consider my time a very valuable resource as do many others.

Everyone's time is valuable, not just RF engineers'

I agree, and nothing I said suggests otherwise.

Why is a comment which describes time wwasted by people who
don't wish to expend it learning morse considered uncomplimentary?

It says that learning the mode is a waste of time.

It is...for the person making the statement.

What is wrong with saying:

"I don't want to *spend* the time necessary to learn...."

Which, on close examination means the same thing.

"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Me thinks as the end approaches...the PCTA side is grasping
at straws. I suggest not playing in the political arena of change if
such phraseology offends.

Are you saying I should simply shut up and go away? That's not like you at
all,
Bill.

Nope. I'm suggesting that if the language used in discussion
is so bbjectionable, then perhaps you'd rather not play in
the political sandbox. I also think it is rather humorous that
we are down to the level of concern that we are debating such
mundane phrasology as that above.

Carl claimed he had "taken the high ground". And for the most part of that
post, he did. But he did let a few derogatory phrases slip in.

Hans, K0HB also took note of them, and Hans is definitely not a 'PCTA
grasping
at straws'.

I don't care for the "jump through the hoops" example either...
but I have no problem with "waste my time learning"

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

Sure wouldn't bother me. But then I've learned to disregard
most rheteroic anyway. 12 years as an elected official teaches
one to accept the heat or get out-of-the-kitchen.

I thought the point of this thread was to avoid the 'heat'.

Any time there are opposing positions, there will be some heat.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes:

I consider my time a very valuable resource as do many others.
Wy is a comment which describes time wwasted by people who
don't wish to expend it learning morse considered uncomplimentary?

Bill:

The reason is that those who have gained Morse code proficiency
have found it to be well worth the time and effort. If you haven't done
so, then you aren't a qualified judge.

"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Me thinks as the end approaches...the PCTA side is grasping
at straws. I suggest not playing in the political arena of change if
such phraseology offends.

The stock-in-trade of the NCTA has always been offensive phraseology.

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

Sure wouldn't bother me. But then I've learned to disregard
most rheteroic anyway. 12 years as an elected official teaches
one to accept the heat or get out-of-the-kitchen.

And you're the commercial-grade Vulcan stove with all eight
burners, both ovens, and the grill turned up high. No wonder
all your pots and kettles are black. Your gas bill must be
enormous, but nobody's buying what you're cooking.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes:

I consider my time a very valuable resource as do many others.
Wy is a comment which describes time wwasted by people who
don't wish to expend it learning morse considered uncomplimentary?

Bill:

The reason is that those who have gained Morse code proficiency
have found it to be well worth the time and effort. If you haven't done
so, then you aren't a qualified judge.

In your humble opinion anyway.

"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Me thinks as the end approaches...the PCTA side is grasping
at straws. I suggest not playing in the political arena of change if
such phraseology offends.

The stock-in-trade of the NCTA has always been offensive phraseology.

I have seen the same levels on both sides...but it certainly
hasn't been the "stock and trade" of NCTA (IMHO).

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

Sure wouldn't bother me. But then I've learned to disregard
most rheteroic anyway. 12 years as an elected official teaches
one to accept the heat or get out-of-the-kitchen.

And you're the commercial-grade Vulcan stove with all eight
burners, both ovens, and the grill turned up high. No wonder
all your pots and kettles are black. Your gas bill must be
enormous, but nobody's buying what you're cooking.

ROTFLMAO...
The sale seems to have been made already to the only
buyer that counts...the FCC and, more recently, the ITU.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes:

And you're the commercial-grade Vulcan stove with all eight
burners, both ovens, and the grill turned up high. No wonder
all your pots and kettles are black. Your gas bill must be
enormous, but nobody's buying what you're cooking.

ROTFLMAO...
The sale seems to have been made already to the only
buyer that counts...the FCC and, more recently, the ITU.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

Bill:

In that case, they must have a taste for the carbonized remains of
what could have been a tasty and nourishing meal. My condolences
to the dishwasher who must now deal with your blackened pots and
kettles.

73 de Larry, K3LT

Yes, it is. The image is not complimentary. Would you like the written
tests
described that way?

So are phrases like

"waste valuable time learning Morse"
"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

You must have
REALLY thin skin Hans.

In my experience Hans does not have a 'thin skin' at all.


Hey Jim you forgot the "old manual transmission saw" ....BTW I can't wait
for all the leaps and bounds in growth of the service once CW testing is
gone. I would venture to say that at least a half a dozen new modes will be
created within a few months now that all of those EEs will be "activated".
I would even say that I would have to eat crow as no doubt within 1 year a
mode will be discovered that "will always get through". On the serious side
....I feel a bit sad that people, for whatever reason, won't get to enjoy
an "avocal" means of communication utilizing the computer that the we all
have.

73 God Bless Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon PA

In article Iw0ib.539895$Oz4.443507@rwcrnsc54, "garigue"
writes:

Yes, it is. The image is not complimentary. Would you like the written
tests
described that way?

So are phrases like

"waste valuable time learning Morse"
"dinosaur/buggywhip technology"

Would you like your favorite modes described that way?

You must have
REALLY thin skin Hans.

In my experience Hans does not have a 'thin skin' at all.


Hey Jim you forgot the "old manual transmission saw" ...

Not sure what you mean. In every state I know of, there's no test or
restriction on manuals vs. automatics unless someone is clearly unable to drive
a manual.

BTW I can't wait
for all the leaps and bounds in growth of the service once CW testing is
gone. I would venture to say that at least a half a dozen new modes will be
created within a few months now that all of those EEs will be "activated".

I'm an EE.

I would even say that I would have to eat crow as no doubt within 1 year a
mode will be discovered that "will always get through".

No mode always gets through. Some modes, however, get through when some other
modes don't.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (N2EY)
writes:

No mode always gets through. Some modes, however, get through when some other
modes don't.

Jim:

Indeed. And more often than not, it's usually good, 'ole fashion Morse/CW
which is getting through.

73 de Larry, K3LT