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I can understand why Novice and Technician Plus required five words
per minute -- the treaty and all -- but why did General require
thirteen words per minute and Amateur Extra twenty words per minute?

Is there a real reason?

Jack.
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In article , Jack Twilley
writes:

I can understand why Novice and Technician Plus required five words
per minute -- the treaty and all -- but why did General require
thirteen words per minute and Amateur Extra twenty words per minute?

Is there a real reason?

12 to 13 wpm is generally agreed to be above the speed where things such as
"counting dits" work for most people. It's the beginning of the skills which
take one to higher speeds

20 wpm derives from the old 1923-24 "Amateur Extra First Class" which chose 20
as double the old 10 wpm standard. It was reintroduced in 1951 when the current
Amateur Extra class was created.

Both speeds are far below those required of experienced professional Morse
operators.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Jack Twilley
writes:

I can understand why Novice and Technician Plus required five words
per minute -- the treaty and all -- but why did General require
thirteen words per minute and Amateur Extra twenty words per minute?

Is there a real reason?

12 to 13 wpm is generally agreed to be above the speed where things such
as
"counting dits" work for most people. It's the beginning of the skills
which
take one to higher speeds

20 wpm derives from the old 1923-24 "Amateur Extra First Class" which
chose 20
as double the old 10 wpm standard. It was reintroduced in 1951 when the
current
Amateur Extra class was created.

Both speeds are far below those required of experienced professional Morse
operators.

73 de Jim, N2EY

One more thing Jim. 20 wpm is above another 'threshold', which is at about
18wpm for most folks. So you gotta know it to do it.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Jack Twilley
writes:

I can understand why Novice and Technician Plus required five words
per minute -- the treaty and all -- but why did General require
thirteen words per minute and Amateur Extra twenty words per minute?

Is there a real reason?

12 to 13 wpm is generally agreed to be above the speed where things such
as
"counting dits" work for most people. It's the beginning of the skills
which
take one to higher speeds

20 wpm derives from the old 1923-24 "Amateur Extra First Class" which
chose 20
as double the old 10 wpm standard. It was reintroduced in 1951 when the
current
Amateur Extra class was created.

Both speeds are far below those required of experienced professional Morse
operators.

73 de Jim, N2EY

One more thing Jim. 20 wpm is above another 'threshold', which is at about
18wpm for most folks. So you gotta know it to do it.

Dan/W4NTI


Welp Dan, as I strap on my dragon armor and jousting butt-plug, please
orient me toward the 1951 anachronism of the 1923 AEFC standard.

didididididit.

"Brian" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Jack Twilley
writes:

I can understand why Novice and Technician Plus required five words
per minute -- the treaty and all -- but why did General require
thirteen words per minute and Amateur Extra twenty words per minute?

Is there a real reason?

12 to 13 wpm is generally agreed to be above the speed where things
such
as
"counting dits" work for most people. It's the beginning of the skills
which
take one to higher speeds

20 wpm derives from the old 1923-24 "Amateur Extra First Class" which
chose 20
as double the old 10 wpm standard. It was reintroduced in 1951 when
the
current
Amateur Extra class was created.

Both speeds are far below those required of experienced professional
Morse
operators.

73 de Jim, N2EY

One more thing Jim. 20 wpm is above another 'threshold', which is at
about
18wpm for most folks. So you gotta know it to do it.

Dan/W4NTI


Welp Dan, as I strap on my dragon armor and jousting butt-plug, please
orient me toward the 1951 anachronism of the 1923 AEFC standard.

didididididit.

Lets see if you can understand this then;

If I want any crap out of you, I will squeeze your head.

Have a lousy day.

Dan/W4NTI

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Welp Dan, as I strap on my dragon armor and jousting butt-plug, please
orient me toward the 1951 anachronism of the 1923 AEFC standard.

didididididit.

LOL, well said.

Don't forget, too, when you drive to the testing site to take the morse code
test you have to first hand-crank the engine of your horseless carriage to
get it started.

*OOOPS*, i'm sorry, that too is outdated. They have invented electrically
driven starters since then. Isn't it neat how old ways are replaced by new
more efficient & useful ones? *OOOOP*, my bad again... I forgot about
the PCTA crybabies.

Clint

Don't forget, too, when you drive to the testing site to take the morse
code
test you have to first hand-crank the engine of your horseless carriage to
get it started.

*OOOPS*, i'm sorry, that too is outdated. They have invented electrically
driven starters since then. Isn't it neat how old ways are replaced by new
more efficient & useful ones? *OOOOP*, my bad again... I forgot about
the PCTA crybabies.

Clint

Here we go again with this standard transmission crap ...this time it has
degenerated to starters ....

Clint's logic ... no cars today have crank starters ... therefore CW is in
that same category ...but wait ..why are there so many CW ham signals on the
air ... ????

Clint am I a "crybaby" because I see a useful skill i.e. the 2nd most used
amateur mode badmouthed in the most illogical , immature and counter
productive manner.

I really think that in any endeavor there are those for whatever reason like
"****ing in the punchbowl". I very rarely operate SSB, look at or transmit
pix, never work
moon bounce or hunt for transmitters or any of the myriad of sub-groups that
this service offers. But thank God that they are there ... a facet in the
jewel that are available to me when and if I desire.

Clint I certainly hope that when the test is dropped that the myriad of
those new ops will bring into play those new "electric starter" modes that
"will always get through". I personally would not bet the kids milk money
on that assumption.

73 God Bless KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon PA

Jim, N2EY, wrote:

20 wpm derives from the old 1923-24 "Amateur Extra
First Class" which chose 20 as double the old 10 wpm
standard. It was reintroduced in 1951 when the current
Amateur Extra class was created.

Both speeds are far below those required of experienced
professional Morse operators.

Are there any 'professional' Morse operators left who
earn their living by sending by hand and receiving by
ear? I am under the impression it is now strictly an
amateur endeavor.

Jim, K7JEB

In article AJejb.26585$Rd4.4023@fed1read07, "K7JEB"
writes:

Jim, N2EY, wrote:

20 wpm derives from the old 1923-24 "Amateur Extra
First Class" which chose 20 as double the old 10 wpm
standard. It was reintroduced in 1951 when the current
Amateur Extra class was created.

Both speeds are far below those required of experienced
professional Morse operators.

Are there any 'professional' Morse operators left who
earn their living by sending by hand and receiving by
ear? I am under the impression it is now strictly an
amateur endeavor.

There are still a few ships using Morse and a few shore stations, but you have
to look for them really hard. I don't think there are any left in the USA.

The maritime services got away from using Morse for the same reasons railroads
got away from steam locomotives: Cost to operate.

Back when the transition was being made, diesel electric locomotives cost more
to build or buy than the equivalent horsepower in steam, and coal cost less
than its diesel fuel equivalent.

But diesels did not require turntables, tenders, large amounts of water and
distribution thereof, or disposal of ashes. The volume and weight of fuel for a
given number of horsepower-hours was less for a diesel, and the fuel was a
clean, easy to handle liquid. Diesel maintenance was less and in warm weather
diesels could be shut down and started up on a few minutes' notice. Multiple
diesel units could be coupled together for more horespower without requiring
another engine crew to operate.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article AJejb.26585$Rd4.4023@fed1read07, "K7JEB"
writes:

Are there any 'professional' Morse operators left who
earn their living by sending by hand and receiving by
ear? I am under the impression it is now strictly an
amateur endeavor.

Jim, K7JEB

Jim:

Yes, that's correct. This is all about the AMATEUR Radio Service.

73 de Larry, K3LT