"N2EY" wrote


So you're just asking me to shut up. Is that what we have to look for in
the
amateur radio of the 21st century?

I've never asked you to shut up. But I have repeatedly informed you that
you resemble a stray dog with three legs and one blind eye dragging around a
15-days-dead roadkilled stray cat and acting as if you've uncovered
something dangerous.


If you guys have an answer that simply quashes the KL7CC paper's bad
ideas, why
are you so afraid?

I'm not a bit afraid. Here's my answer which "simply quashes" your
pizza-shaped kitty.

If you have tendency to forgetfullness, simply bookmark
http://home.earthlink.net/~k0hb and click on the left hand menu item labeled
"FCC Comments".

II Proposal:

I propose that no new applicants be accepted for the current
license classes and that after some reasonable grace period, no
upgrades be available in the current licensing structure.

A. New License Classes:

I propose that new license applications be available
in two classes, namely "Class B" and "Class A".
The "Class B" license would have an entry-level test (basic
regulations, safety, operating procedures, basic DC and AC
electronics). This class would have full frequency and
mode privileges, power limited to 50W output. The license
would be issued for a period of 10 years, and be non-renewable.
holders of this license would be required to have 2 years
experience as a licensee ("time in grade") before being
eligible to upgrade to "Class A".

The "Class A" license test would be of a difficulty level
similar to the current Extra class test, and would have
full privileges at power levels up to 1500W, equivalent to
current Extra Class license holders. This license
would be issued permanently without requirement for
renewal.

B. Status of current licensees.

Current licenses could be renewed indefinitely, and would
retain their current operating privileges.
Current Novice, Technician, General, and Advanced class
licensees could up grade to "Class A" at any time.

You didn't ask Hans to shut up with his 2 license class proposal.

Are you asking me to shut up with my 2 license class proposal, Jim?

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"They called me mad, and I called them mad,
but damn them, they outvoted me."

KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote


To which I would ask Carl and Hans:

Do you really think people are so stupid that they won't think of
something unless Jim Miccollis says it?


No, I don't think there's anyone here that stupid.

But then again I didn't think there was anyone here stupid enough to ask
such a stupid question, and you've just proved me wrong.

If pleasantness is inversely related to intelligence, you kind sir, are
a genius. And this stupid person believes you are a genius.

Quite frankly, you are as pleasant as Lenover21.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
... On the last page of
his voluminous reply comments to the restructuring NPRM
back in 1999, Len requested that the FCC enact a minimum age requirement of
14
years for any class of amateur license. When challenged, however, he could
not
give a single example of on-air violations by licensed radio amateurs under
the
age of 14.

Neither would he respond to questions about his parenting
experiences that might lead him to make such a suggestion.

Steve,

Parent or not, everyone's entitled to an opinion about age limits for an
amateur license. My opinion is that they're a bad idea.

But the main point is that Len was proposing a draconian solution to a
nonexistent problem. It's not the under-14 hams that are causing problems - far
from it! The fact that Len could not cite a *single* incident shows how empty
his argument was.

Yet nobody told him to shut up.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
t...
N2EY wrote:

In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

N2EY wrote:

In article .net,

"KØHB"

writes:

(I know he's playing devil's advocate, but something
that's repeated often enough sometimes catches on and I don't want to
see Jim end up being the best salesman for something that I know he
doesn't want to see any more than I do ...)


So you're just asking me to shut up. Is that what we have to look for in
the
amateur radio of the 21st century?

That is how I read it also. You (we) are being told to just keep quiet,
and that if we say anything, it will be our fault if the things we are
warning about come to pass.

Yep. That's exactly the way I read, you (Mike) read it, and you (Jim) read
it. Probably more than just us. BUT, are we surprised? That is status quo
in at least this group of people--i.e. rather common practice in this
newsgroup to desire that someone "shut up" if that opinion is coming from an
opposite or challenging side.

I don't think I've ever told anyone here to shut up.

But I have seen others do it. For example:

From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 04:35:14 GMT

(in response to K8MN):

"Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English."

Just the kind we want for newcomers, huh? New standards of civil debate.


To which I would ask Carl and Hans:

Do you really think people are so stupid that they won't think of
something unless Jim Miccollis says it?

(One "L" in the name)

That's a good question, but it really isn't the point. *Whether* people
"are so stupid that they won't think of something unless Jim Miccollis says
it," or not, Jim has--anyone has--the perfect right to say whatever they'd
like.

Thanks, Kim.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Kim W5TIT" wrote


That's a good question, but it really isn't the point.


Actually it wasn't a very good question at all. In fact, I'm not sure
it was even a question, but more a feeble attempt to troll, so I
checked my Troll-O-Meter, and it didn't even budge up off the pin.
Since Mike Coslo is an avid Morse Code operator like me, I expected a
much better reading on the meter. Sigh...... truly disappointing.

Jim has--anyone has--the perfect right to say whatever they'd
like.

Bingo! Good answer, Kim! You nailed it dead on! And I have every
right to tell Jim that he resembles a flea-bitten stray dog with three
legs and one blind eye dragging around a 15-days-dead roadkilled stray
cat and growling and posturing and acting as if he has uncovered
something dangerous.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Mike Coslo" wrote


Well, yes! But it would be yummy fun to hear their answer though. 8^)

Well, I gave you my answer. Are you having "yummy fun" now? Golly gee, I
certainly hope so!

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Mike Coslo" wrote

If pleasantness is inversely related to intelligence, you kind sir, are
a genius. And this stupid person believes you are a genius.

Thank you! Why am I reminded of the old saw about "if you can't stand the
heat....." My "pleasantness" to you was directly related to your
"pleasantness" toward me, but I don't get even, I get ahead.

And just what the hell is "yummy fun" anyhow?

With kindest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

N2EY wrote:


(One "L" in the name)

Oops, Sorry Jim. But what about Jim Miccollis?

- Mike KB3EIA -

KØHB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote

Well, yes! But it would be yummy fun to hear their answer though. 8^)


Well, I gave you my answer. Are you having "yummy fun" now? Golly gee, I
certainly hope so!

Sunuvagun!

Actually, if you think that calling me stupid is an answer, yes indeed
Hans, it was indeed yummy fun to hear you answer my question!

Do you really think people are so stupid that they won't think of
something unless Jim Miccollis (sic) says it?

But then again I didn't think there was anyone here stupid enough to
ask such a stupid question, and you've just proved me wrong.

Good reply! tks OM!

- Mike KB3EIA -

KØHB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote


If pleasantness is inversely related to intelligence, you kind sir, are
a genius. And this stupid person believes you are a genius.


Thank you! Why am I reminded of the old saw about "if you can't stand the
heat....."

huh?

My "pleasantness" to you was directly related to your
"pleasantness" toward me, but I don't get even, I get ahead.

Perhaps I touched a nerve asking the question? mea maxima culpa


And just what the hell is "yummy fun" anyhow?

Delicious irony. Like you finding it appropriate to call me stupid when
I ask a question. That you find it an appropriate answer is the key.

- Mike KB3EIA -