"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I
haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it and
found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an end--to
licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely lacking in any
pertinent application to the process of amateur radio, overall.


I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did
not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM. There's
nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of HF are
really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring up a
key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging myself? I
don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met people who
don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so happens that I don't
like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK
too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use
it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and
experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying
they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience
to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I
haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it
and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an
end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely
lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur
radio, overall.


I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did
not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM.
There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of
HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring
up a key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging
myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met
people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so
happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use
it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to
use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and
experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and
saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and
experience to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement
that is laughable.

"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I
haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it
and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an
end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely
lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur
radio, overall.


I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did
not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM.
There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of
HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring
up a key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging
myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met
people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so
happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use
it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to
use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and
experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and
saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and
experience to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement
that is laughable.

Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that
people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them.
Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older
but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight
under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight
than we should.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I
haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it
and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an
end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely
lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur
radio, overall.


I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you
did not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM.
There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot
of HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to
use CW.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered
wiring up a key from time to time, but decided against it.
Shortchanging myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone.
Now, I have met people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with
that. It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I
have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some
reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not
to use it. They have made that decision from a position of
knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person
judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have
that knowledge and experience to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket
statement that is laughable.

Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that
people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them.
Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and
older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's
weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying
more weight than we should.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use
CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't
think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are
what, exactly?

"Alun" wrote in message
...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:

And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket
statement that is laughable.

Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that
people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them.
Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and
older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's
weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying
more weight than we should.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use
CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't
think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are
what, exactly?

No I did not say it is necessary for you to use code only necessary for
people to learn it before deciding its usefulness for them. If one doesn't
know it, one can't make an enlightened decision. Thus it is a necessary
part of amateur radio whether or not it is used by any particular
individual.

The consequences of not using code are simple and that is having to cease HF
communications earlier than those who do use code when propagation falls
off. Regardless of the relative magnitude of this consequence it is
nevertheless a consequence.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

"Alun" wrote in message
.. .
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:

And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket
statement that is laughable.

Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that
people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them.
Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and
older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's
weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying
more weight than we should.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use
CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't
think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are
what, exactly?

No I did not say it is necessary for you to use code only necessary for
people to learn it before deciding its usefulness for them. If one doesn't
know it, one can't make an enlightened decision. Thus it is a necessary
part of amateur radio whether or not it is used by any particular
individual.

Wow, a Morseodist Believer! Morse code is NECESSARY!!!!

Can anyone spell "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society?" :-)

The consequences of not using code are simple and that is having to cease HF
communications earlier than those who do use code when propagation falls
off. Regardless of the relative magnitude of this consequence it is
nevertheless a consequence.

Really? You should have channeled the U.S. military and, in particular,
the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN) way back in
1943 or so when it was formed.

I had three years of direct experience on HF at ACAN's station ADA
back a half century ago. It did ALL its long-distance communications
(over 200 thousand messages a month) on HF, trans-Pacific. Only
ONE time (late 1955) was there ever a total radio blackout for three
hours...which disrupted everyone on HF radio in middle Pacific due to
a solar storm. Otherwise ADA was on-the-air 24 hours a day, 7 days
a week on HF. Not one circuit was "CW" or used morse code.

Maybe today's sunspots are ever so much "stronger" than they used to
was? :-)

There's lots of ham bands on HF, Dee. You and anyone else are all
free to use whatever band you want if your license privileges allow.
"QSY" is the trick...or are you rock-bound on only one band?

beep, beep

LHA

In article , Alun
writes:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
igy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:


"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I
haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it
and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an
end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely
lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur
radio, overall.

I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you
did not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM.
There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot
of HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to
use CW.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered
wiring up a key from time to time, but decided against it.
Shortchanging myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone.
Now, I have met people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with
that. It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I
have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some
reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not
to use it. They have made that decision from a position of
knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person
judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have
that knowledge and experience to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket
statement that is laughable.

Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that
people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them.
Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and
older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's
weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying
more weight than we should.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use
CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't
think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are
what, exactly?

It is unhealthy for Dee's state of mind not to love CW. :-)

LHA

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

"Alun" wrote in message
.. .
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:


And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement
that is laughable.

Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that
people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them.
Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older
but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight
under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight
than we should.

Okay, so now morse code skill makes one "healthy?!?" :-)

Yes, morse code skill is absolutely necessary to get rid of invading
space aliens. [see movie "Independence Day"]

Morse code skill is absolutely necessary to aid the survivors of the
next Titanic sinking or get away from icebergs. [see movie "Titanic"]

Morse code skill is absolutely necessary for ALL emergency and
disaster communications...and that is why all the public safety
folks depend on morse code skill for all their communications
involving life and death situations.

Right.

LHA

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

"Alun" wrote in message
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It just so happens that I don't
like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK
too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to
use
it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and
experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and
saying
they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience
to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Right on the money, Dee. Larry pointed this out earlier, but not as
eloquently as you.

73 de Bert
WA2SI

"Bert Craig" wrote in message
news
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

"Alun" wrote in message
...
It just so happens that I don't
like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK
too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to
use
it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and
experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and
saying
they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and
experience
to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Right on the money, Dee. Larry pointed this out earlier, but not as
eloquently as you.

73 de Bert
WA2SI



It fascinates me that you won't accept someone's plain and simple truth that
they don't like CW--even if they don't have experience with it--because you
reason that they need to have "knowledge and experience" with it. Well, I
know people who are quite well-versed in CW who don't like it, people who
haven't ever even tried it and don't like it, and people who have taken and
passed a 5wpm test and don't like it. I also know people from those same
three categories that do like CW operation.

It's pretty much as simple as folks who do or don't like most other things
in life. Either ya like it or ya don't.

Kim W5TIT