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![]() "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur radio, overall. I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM. There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring up a key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why? No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to draw on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur radio, overall. I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM. There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring up a key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why? No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to draw on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement that is laughable. |
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![]() "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur radio, overall. I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM. There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring up a key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why? No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to draw on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement that is laughable. Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them. Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight than we should. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur radio, overall. I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM. There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring up a key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why? No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to draw on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement that is laughable. Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them. Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight than we should. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are what, exactly? |
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![]() "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement that is laughable. Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them. Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight than we should. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are what, exactly? No I did not say it is necessary for you to use code only necessary for people to learn it before deciding its usefulness for them. If one doesn't know it, one can't make an enlightened decision. Thus it is a necessary part of amateur radio whether or not it is used by any particular individual. The consequences of not using code are simple and that is having to cease HF communications earlier than those who do use code when propagation falls off. Regardless of the relative magnitude of this consequence it is nevertheless a consequence. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes: "Alun" wrote in message .. . "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement that is laughable. Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them. Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight than we should. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are what, exactly? No I did not say it is necessary for you to use code only necessary for people to learn it before deciding its usefulness for them. If one doesn't know it, one can't make an enlightened decision. Thus it is a necessary part of amateur radio whether or not it is used by any particular individual. Wow, a Morseodist Believer! Morse code is NECESSARY!!!! Can anyone spell "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society?" :-) The consequences of not using code are simple and that is having to cease HF communications earlier than those who do use code when propagation falls off. Regardless of the relative magnitude of this consequence it is nevertheless a consequence. Really? You should have channeled the U.S. military and, in particular, the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN) way back in 1943 or so when it was formed. I had three years of direct experience on HF at ACAN's station ADA back a half century ago. It did ALL its long-distance communications (over 200 thousand messages a month) on HF, trans-Pacific. Only ONE time (late 1955) was there ever a total radio blackout for three hours...which disrupted everyone on HF radio in middle Pacific due to a solar storm. Otherwise ADA was on-the-air 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on HF. Not one circuit was "CW" or used morse code. Maybe today's sunspots are ever so much "stronger" than they used to was? :-) There's lots of ham bands on HF, Dee. You and anyone else are all free to use whatever band you want if your license privileges allow. "QSY" is the trick...or are you rock-bound on only one band? beep, beep LHA |
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In article , Alun
writes: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in igy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... I personally don't have the desire to "take advantage of" CW. I haven't been interested in CW since I was first introduced to it and found it nothing more than a necessary evil--a means to an end--to licensing in amateur radio. I also found it uniquely lacking in any pertinent application to the process of amateur radio, overall. I believe you have previously stated that once you tried HF, you did not care for it and have since stayed primarily with VHF FM. There's nothing wrong with that. However, those who work a lot of HF are really shortchanging themselves if they are unable to use CW. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I work a lot of HF, relatively speaking, and I have considered wiring up a key from time to time, but decided against it. Shortchanging myself? I don't think so. I'm happy to stay on phone. Now, I have met people who don't like phone, and I'm fine with that. It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why? No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to draw on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement that is laughable. Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them. Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight than we should. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE So, let me get this straight, you are saying it's necessary for me to use CW, and comparing not doing it with failing to get a physical. I don't think that argument will hold water. The consequences of not using CW are what, exactly? It is unhealthy for Dee's state of mind not to love CW. :-) LHA |
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In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes: "Alun" wrote in message .. . "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: And yet you say code is "necessary"? As an unqualified blanket statement that is laughable. Nope it is not laughable. There are many necessary things in life that people do not do. They choose for reasons of their own to omit them. Annual physicals are a "necessary" item for people of middle age and older but I know quite a few people who do not get them. Keeping one's weight under control is "necessary" but there's a lot of us carrying more weight than we should. Okay, so now morse code skill makes one "healthy?!?" :-) Yes, morse code skill is absolutely necessary to get rid of invading space aliens. [see movie "Independence Day"] Morse code skill is absolutely necessary to aid the survivors of the next Titanic sinking or get away from icebergs. [see movie "Titanic"] Morse code skill is absolutely necessary for ALL emergency and disaster communications...and that is why all the public safety folks depend on morse code skill for all their communications involving life and death situations. Right. LHA |
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com... "Alun" wrote in message ... It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why? No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to draw on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Right on the money, Dee. Larry pointed this out earlier, but not as eloquently as you. 73 de Bert WA2SI |
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"Bert Craig" wrote in message
news ![]() "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "Alun" wrote in message ... It just so happens that I don't like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why? No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a position of knowledge and experience. This is radically different from a person judging it and saying they will never use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to draw on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Right on the money, Dee. Larry pointed this out earlier, but not as eloquently as you. 73 de Bert WA2SI It fascinates me that you won't accept someone's plain and simple truth that they don't like CW--even if they don't have experience with it--because you reason that they need to have "knowledge and experience" with it. Well, I know people who are quite well-versed in CW who don't like it, people who haven't ever even tried it and don't like it, and people who have taken and passed a 5wpm test and don't like it. I also know people from those same three categories that do like CW operation. It's pretty much as simple as folks who do or don't like most other things in life. Either ya like it or ya don't. Kim W5TIT |
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