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It ain't about the test.....
...... it's about the qualifications.
The incessant arguments here on rrap surround the question of whether or not there should be a Morse TEST for access to HF. Well, that's the wrong question. The real question is whether or not you should be Morse qualified for access to HF. If there is no regulatory need for Morse qualification, then there is no need for Morse testing. The need for Morse qualification, as clearly stated in the 1913 radio regulations was "The applicant must be able to transmit and receive in Continental Morse, at a speed sufficient to enable him to recognize distress calls or the official "keep-out" signals." Since that qualification need has long since disappeared, then so has the need for the qualification test. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Nor is there any reason for the MEMORY Written TEST. No knowledge needed
anymore, lets just call it what it is," THE NEW CB HAM SERVICE" |
In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes: ..... it's about the qualifications. The incessant arguments here on rrap surround the question of whether or not there should be a Morse TEST for access to HF. Well, that's the wrong question. The real question is whether or not you should be Morse qualified for access to HF. If there is no regulatory need for Morse qualification, then there is no need for Morse testing. The need for Morse qualification, as clearly stated in the 1913 radio regulations was "The applicant must be able to transmit and receive in Continental Morse, at a speed sufficient to enable him to recognize distress calls or the official "keep-out" signals." Since that qualification need has long since disappeared, then so has the need for the qualification test. Hans, If you want people to quit making fun of you, quit posting such laughable reductio ad absurdum arguments. That stated 1913 need for Morse code qualifications is not the only reason such qualifications were kept in the rules all these years. There are lots more. The original 1913 reason for technical qualifications was to prevent interference to nonamateurs caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters. How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? Reading the FCC enforcement letters, such interference today seems to be more a case of intentional modification of amateur equipment by a lawless few to operate on nonamateur frequencies. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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(Len Over 21) wrote in
: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: ..... it's about the qualifications. The incessant arguments here on rrap surround the question of whether or not there should be a Morse TEST for access to HF. Well, that's the wrong question. The real question is whether or not you should be Morse qualified for access to HF. If there is no regulatory need for Morse qualification, then there is no need for Morse testing. The need for Morse qualification, as clearly stated in the 1913 radio regulations was "The applicant must be able to transmit and receive in Continental Morse, at a speed sufficient to enable him to recognize distress calls or the official "keep-out" signals." Since that qualification need has long since disappeared, then so has the need for the qualification test. Hans, If you want people to quit making fun of you, quit posting such laughable reductio ad absurdum arguments. Incorrect. The necessity for tested demonstration of morsemanship FOR LICENSING of any radio operator, any radio service, has disappeared in the 90 years of time since 1913. That stated 1913 need for Morse code qualifications is not the only reason such qualifications were kept in the rules all these years. There are lots more. Not to the FCC. In 1913 (or 1912) there was ONLY on-off keying of so-called CW RF sources. Despite the Fessenden demonstration of 1906 on Christmas Eve (done with an ALTERNATOR RF source, NOT a "spark" transmitter), The alternator was driving a spark gap, so it was a spark transmitter. Not only that, but there was a circuit known before that to keep a spark gap continuously energised without using an alternator, and that had actually been used by Duddell to transmit voice, although originally invented by someone else for arc lights (much the same thing as spark tansmitters in many ways, anyway!). Fessenden's innovation was to run the alternator at 80 kHz, i.e. well above audio. Before that, only telegraphy transmitters could use alternators, which enabled you to run kilowatts instead of just a few watts, amplifiers having yet to be invented and detectors of the day being very 'deaf'. there was no great rush for establishment of sound/voice transmissions. TTY was just getting started in replacing landline manual telegraphy, no facsimile or other "data" sources. Vacuum tubes were barely out of the laboratory after 5 years from invention...makers were still trying to get good QC in the "tube factories." The original 1913 reason for technical qualifications was to prevent interference to nonamateurs caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters. Baloney. IMPROPER OPERATION, not "adjustment," and not just "by amateurs." Were there bandplans in 1913? I don't think so. Were there any specific frequencies (wavelengths) assigned then for everyone in radio? I think not, but you will no doubt explain away "how it was" from personal experience in 1913. :-) The exile of U.S. radio amateurs to the "short waves" (shorter than 200 m) came AFTER World War 1, not before. How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? Reading the FCC enforcement letters, such interference today seems to be more a case of intentional modification of amateur equipment by a lawless few to operate on nonamateur frequencies. In 1913 there was NO Internet to contact the FCC. There wasn't any FCC until 1934. There was very little landline long-distance telephony to contact the three different radio regulatory agencies that existed between 1912 and 1934. "Communications" with any radio regulatory agency in 1913 was by surface mail...or the "telegram" (a new term for the mostly-manual-telegraphic message sent via landlines). So, in the world of today (if you can tear yourself away from the beloved past), HOW is a continuing requirement of a morse code test going to "stop" all that improper radio operation? Answer: It won't. Improper operation isn't due to the mode. It isn't due to the presence or absence of a code test. LHA |
(N2EY) wrote in
: In article , (Len Over 21) fresh from spamming the living daylights out of the ECFS system, writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: ..... it's about the qualifications. The incessant arguments here on rrap surround the question of whether or not there should be a Morse TEST for access to HF. Well, that's the wrong question. The real question is whether or not you should be Morse qualified for access to HF. If there is no regulatory need for Morse qualification, then there is no need for Morse testing. The need for Morse qualification, as clearly stated in the 1913 radio regulations was "The applicant must be able to transmit and receive in Continental Morse, at a speed sufficient to enable him to recognize distress calls or the official "keep-out" signals." Since that qualification need has long since disappeared, then so has the need for the qualification test. Hans, If you want people to quit making fun of you, quit posting such laughable reductio ad absurdum arguments. Incorrect. Why? The necessity for tested demonstration of morsemanship FOR LICENSING of any radio operator, any radio service, has disappeared in the 90 years of time since 1913. No, it hasn't. That stated 1913 need for Morse code qualifications is not the only reason such qualifications were kept in the rules all these years. There are lots more. Not to the FCC. Then why didn't FCC just drop Element 1 back in July, when the international treaty requirement went away? In 1913 (or 1912) there was ONLY on-off keying of so-called CW RF sources. No, that's not true at all. Spark transmitters were not CW sources - they generated damped (modulated) waves. Despite the Fessenden demonstration of 1906 on Christmas Eve (done with an ALTERNATOR RF source, NOT a "spark" transmitter), Fessenden demonstrated voice modulated spark operation as early as 1900. His methods have been verified by actual tests using replica transmitters and dummy loads. Fessenden transmitted voice over one mile during December 1900, possibly on the 12th, on Cobb Island, Maryland. Fessenden had a two-way transatlantic radiotelephone setup in operation by November of 1906 using alternator RF sources. The demo of Christmas Eve 1906 was repeated a week later (New Year's Eve). These events are well documented. As is DeForrest's later voice coverage of the New York yacht race, using a spark transmitter of the earlier type (no alternator) but using a regenerative detector with a triode tube. I can't remember when that took place, although it is in several books, but the triode (audion) patent discloses the regenerative detector and was issued in 1907, so the yacht race must have taken place around that period. there was no great rush for establishment of sound/voice transmissions. So? TTY was just getting started in replacing landline manual telegraphy, no facsimile or other "data" sources. So? Vacuum tubes were barely out of the laboratory after 5 years from invention...makers were still trying to get good QC in the "tube factories." So? The original 1913 reason for technical qualifications was to prevent interference to nonamateurs caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters. Baloney. No, it's a fact. IMPROPER OPERATION, not "adjustment," and not just "by amateurs." Same thing. Were there bandplans in 1913? I don't think so. Yes, there were. See below. Were there any specific frequencies (wavelengths) assigned then for everyone in radio? Yes, there were, for most stations. I think not, but you will no doubt explain away "how it was" from personal experience in 1913. :-) I wasn't there. Neither were you. But I obviously know far more about how it was than you do, Leonard. Do grow up a tiny bit and accept correction like a man, rather than a spoiled child who cannot bear being told he is wrong. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) The exile of U.S. radio amateurs to the "short waves" (shorter than 200 m) came AFTER World War 1, not before. On August 17, 1912, a new radio law was signed into law by President Taft. It had been passed by the Senate on May 12 of that year and by the House on August 9. This bill, a revision of the earlier Alexander Bill, required that: - all transmitting stations be operated in accordance with licenses granted by the Department of Commerce (a Federal agency) - all operators of transmitting stations be licensed - every station designate a normal operating wavelength below 600 or above 1600 meters - ship stations were designated 450 to 600 meters - amateur stations use wavelengths not exceeding 200 meters, and transformer power not in excess of 1 kW - special exceptions to the rules could be authorized by the Secretary. The professionals of the day said that the long-distance effectiveness of waves decreased as the wavelength decreased, so the longest wavelengths were generally assigned to the longest distance services. Amateurs were assigned the thought-to-be-worthless-for-DX wavelengths shorter than 200 meters. Most amateurs clustered on or near 200 meters because they believed the erroneous theories of the professionals. The above is all well documented. How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? Reading the FCC enforcement letters, such interference today seems to be more a case of intentional modification of amateur equipment by a lawless few to operate on nonamateur frequencies. In 1913 there was NO Internet to contact the FCC. So what? How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? There wasn't any FCC until 1934. So what? There were regulatory predecessors to the FCC all the way back to 1912. They had licenses, tests, radio inspectors, callsigns, the works. The Department of Commerce performed those functions back in 1913. There was very little landline long-distance telephony to contact the three different radio regulatory agencies that existed between 1912 and 1934. So what? "Communications" with any radio regulatory agency in 1913 was by surface mail...or the "telegram" (a new term for the mostly-manual-telegraphic message sent via landlines). Of what import is any of this? How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? So, in the world of today (if you can tear yourself away from the beloved past), HOW is a continuing requirement of a morse code test going to "stop" all that improper radio operation? You obviously misunderstand what I wrote, Leonard. The adjustment/operation discussion is about the need for written tests. Answer: It won't. Improper operation isn't due to the mode. It isn't due to the presence or absence of a code test. Then why do so many FCC enforcement actions against amateurs involve amateurs using voice modes, and so few against amateurs using Morse code? The discrepancy far exceeds the difference in mode popularity. |
In article , Alun
writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in : In article , (N2EY) writes: In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: ..... it's about the qualifications. The incessant arguments here on rrap surround the question of whether or not there should be a Morse TEST for access to HF. Well, that's the wrong question. The real question is whether or not you should be Morse qualified for access to HF. If there is no regulatory need for Morse qualification, then there is no need for Morse testing. The need for Morse qualification, as clearly stated in the 1913 radio regulations was "The applicant must be able to transmit and receive in Continental Morse, at a speed sufficient to enable him to recognize distress calls or the official "keep-out" signals." Since that qualification need has long since disappeared, then so has the need for the qualification test. Hans, If you want people to quit making fun of you, quit posting such laughable reductio ad absurdum arguments. Incorrect. The necessity for tested demonstration of morsemanship FOR LICENSING of any radio operator, any radio service, has disappeared in the 90 years of time since 1913. That stated 1913 need for Morse code qualifications is not the only reason such qualifications were kept in the rules all these years. There are lots more. Not to the FCC. In 1913 (or 1912) there was ONLY on-off keying of so-called CW RF sources. Despite the Fessenden demonstration of 1906 on Christmas Eve (done with an ALTERNATOR RF source, NOT a "spark" transmitter), The alternator was driving a spark gap, so it was a spark transmitter. Not only that, but there was a circuit known before that to keep a spark gap continuously energised without using an alternator, and that had actually been used by Duddell to transmit voice, although originally invented by someone else for arc lights (much the same thing as spark tansmitters in many ways, anyway!). The Thomas H. White "Early Radio History" pages on the Internet give the details on Fessenden's audio experiments and includes several photographs. [I've given the website address in here] The carbon-arc lamp was not a Fessenden innovation nor is it related to "radio." :-) Fessenden's innovation was to run the alternator at 80 kHz, i.e. well above audio. Before that, only telegraphy transmitters could use alternators, which enabled you to run kilowatts instead of just a few watts, amplifiers having yet to be invented and detectors of the day being very 'deaf'. From what I can see in the history, Reginald Fessenden's only "innovation" was to connect a specially-designed carbon microphone in series with the LF transmitter's antenna lead and then say it was a "voice and music transmitter." :-) Let's just say that the great voice broadcast of 1906 was PRIMITIVE insofar as technology was concerned. :-) Even if the early radio receivers were also of low sensitivity, they could receive AM. Most of the radio amateur's spark transmitters of those pre-WW1 times used arc repetition rates of less than a KiloHertz and were therefore distinguishable from atmospheric noise...they were, essentially, AM detectors. There isn't any recorded radio industry history of any rush to get into radio broadcasting by the Fessenden "AM" of 1900 through into the post-WW1 period, regardless of the high-tech of those times. Broadcasting would have to wait for improvement of the vacuum tube...and broadcasting was the driving industry of radio development up to 1920 or so. Voice and music broadcasting, not by morse code. :-) ...and not by having high-heat mikes sitting in antenna leads series modulating the amplitude of the transmitters... :-) :-) :-) :-) -------- The deliberate misdirection of a few regulars in here is to get well away from the subject of morse code and any test requirement. The nit-picking on the type/kind of Fessenden AM transmitter is one thing and those regulars distort recorded historical information on voice transmission. One even goes so far to introduce cellular telephones with the insistence that "turning on a cell phone handset automatically establishes contact with the nearest cell site" which it does NOT. Such is misdirection from the difference between the power-on control with the actual call/transmit control on the handset. Such things result in lots of "angry" words of denunciation occupying lots of time NOT about the code test. The claim that proficiency in morse code results in "more ethical, more polite radio operators" is another one of the misdirections, along with all the other pre-WW2 mythos and fairystories about morse code pervading the psyches of devout morsemen. :-) Happy holidays, Alun, LHA |
(Len Over 21) wrote in
: In article , Alun writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in : In article , (N2EY) writes: In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: ..... it's about the qualifications. The incessant arguments here on rrap surround the question of whether or not there should be a Morse TEST for access to HF. Well, that's the wrong question. The real question is whether or not you should be Morse qualified for access to HF. If there is no regulatory need for Morse qualification, then there is no need for Morse testing. The need for Morse qualification, as clearly stated in the 1913 radio regulations was "The applicant must be able to transmit and receive in Continental Morse, at a speed sufficient to enable him to recognize distress calls or the official "keep-out" signals." Since that qualification need has long since disappeared, then so has the need for the qualification test. Hans, If you want people to quit making fun of you, quit posting such laughable reductio ad absurdum arguments. Incorrect. The necessity for tested demonstration of morsemanship FOR LICENSING of any radio operator, any radio service, has disappeared in the 90 years of time since 1913. That stated 1913 need for Morse code qualifications is not the only reason such qualifications were kept in the rules all these years. There are lots more. Not to the FCC. In 1913 (or 1912) there was ONLY on-off keying of so-called CW RF sources. Despite the Fessenden demonstration of 1906 on Christmas Eve (done with an ALTERNATOR RF source, NOT a "spark" transmitter), The alternator was driving a spark gap, so it was a spark transmitter. Not only that, but there was a circuit known before that to keep a spark gap continuously energised without using an alternator, and that had actually been used by Duddell to transmit voice, although originally invented by someone else for arc lights (much the same thing as spark tansmitters in many ways, anyway!). The Thomas H. White "Early Radio History" pages on the Internet give the details on Fessenden's audio experiments and includes several photographs. [I've given the website address in here] The carbon-arc lamp was not a Fessenden innovation nor is it related to "radio." :-) Try reading what I actually said a bit more carefully, Len. What I said was that a previous circuit was known that was borrowed from arc lamp technology, which enabled a spark to be continuous, in turn allowing 'phone to be transmitted by spark. This was done by Prof Duddell, FRS, and pre-dated Fessenden's 1900 experiment. I did not say that Fessenden used this system in this experiment, but it is known that he was familiar with it. The cutting edge state of the art for telegraphy at the time was to excite a spark gap with an alternator, which allowed a large power output (kW) in those days before amplifiers. Spark phone was known, as per Duddell's system, but if you tried to use an alternator the problem was that the output frequency of any normal alternator was in the audible range, and constiuted a whine drowning out your voice, whereas in telegraphy it just gave each station's dits and dahs a distinctive tone. Fessenden overcame this problem by having special high frequency alternators built to order by Poulsen, who was also considered to be a major figure in the early days of radio. Fessenden's innovation was to run the alternator at 80 kHz, i.e. well above audio. Before that, only telegraphy transmitters could use alternators, which enabled you to run kilowatts instead of just a few watts, amplifiers having yet to be invented and detectors of the day being very 'deaf'. From what I can see in the history, Reginald Fessenden's only "innovation" was to connect a specially-designed carbon microphone in series with the LF transmitter's antenna lead and then say it was a "voice and music transmitter." :-) I'm afraid you are completely mistaken. This is a subject that I have researched quite a bit. There is a very old book by someone called Laughter that goes into a great deal of detail, and another informative work by Fleming, who just happens to also be the inventor of the vacuum tube. I have photocopied the relevant parts of both books. Neither are these my sole sources. Fessenden patented exactly this same system, and as I am a patent agent, it should not surprise you that I have read the patent. I have also read through the archives kept in the house where the experiments took place, and have discussed it all at length on the air with Bob Jeter, AG3B, a resident of the island. I do, in fact, live in the same county myself, so it is local history. Let's just say that the great voice broadcast of 1906 was PRIMITIVE insofar as technology was concerned. :-) Even if the early radio receivers were also of low sensitivity, they could receive AM. Most of the radio amateur's spark transmitters of those pre-WW1 times used arc repetition rates of less than a KiloHertz and were therefore distinguishable from atmospheric noise...they were, essentially, AM detectors. There isn't any recorded radio industry history of any rush to get into radio broadcasting by the Fessenden "AM" of 1900 through into the post-WW1 period, regardless of the high-tech of those times. Broadcasting would have to wait for improvement of the vacuum tube...and broadcasting was the driving industry of radio development up to 1920 or so. Voice and music broadcasting, not by morse code. :-) ...and not by having high-heat mikes sitting in antenna leads series modulating the amplitude of the transmitters... :-) :-) :-) :-) -------- The deliberate misdirection of a few regulars in here is to get well away from the subject of morse code and any test requirement. I am against code testing, as you ought to know by now. I am just pointing out that you have an erroneous understanding of Fessenden's work. The nit-picking on the type/kind of Fessenden AM transmitter is one thing and those regulars distort recorded historical information on voice transmission. If you post something inaccurate on Usenet, nitpicking will follow like night follows day. That's the way it is. One even goes so far to introduce cellular telephones with the insistence that "turning on a cell phone handset automatically establishes contact with the nearest cell site" which it does NOT. Such is misdirection from the difference between the power-on control with the actual call/transmit control on the handset. Such things result in lots of "angry" words of denunciation occupying lots of time NOT about the code test. The claim that proficiency in morse code results in "more ethical, more polite radio operators" is another one of the misdirections, along with all the other pre-WW2 mythos and fairystories about morse code pervading the psyches of devout morsemen. :-) Happy holidays, Alun, LHA |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: ..... it's about the qualifications. The incessant arguments here on rrap surround the question of whether or not there should be a Morse TEST for access to HF. Well, that's the wrong question. The real question is whether or not you should be Morse qualified for access to HF. If there is no regulatory need for Morse qualification, then there is no need for Morse testing. The need for Morse qualification, as clearly stated in the 1913 radio regulations was "The applicant must be able to transmit and receive in Continental Morse, at a speed sufficient to enable him to recognize distress calls or the official "keep-out" signals." Since that qualification need has long since disappeared, then so has the need for the qualification test. Hans, If you want people to quit making fun of you, quit posting such laughable reductio ad absurdum arguments. That stated 1913 need for Morse code qualifications is not the only reason such qualifications were kept in the rules all these years. There are lots more. Assuming you are referencing the myriad of reasons put forth during 98-143...all of which fell short of FCC buy-in, just what else is there The original 1913 reason for technical qualifications was to prevent interference to nonamateurs caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters. How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? Reading the FCC enforcement letters, such interference today seems to be more a case of intentional modification of amateur equipment by a lawless few to operate on nonamateur frequencies. Agreed. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
In article , Alun
writes: Fessenden demonstrated voice modulated spark operation as early as 1900. His methods have been verified by actual tests using replica transmitters and dummy loads. Fessenden transmitted voice over one mile during December 1900, possibly on the 12th, on Cobb Island, Maryland. Yep. You can even listen to re-creations of what it may have sounded like on-line. I posted the urls here some time back. By 1903, he had reached 50 miles. Of course in a way *almost all* spark transmitters use alternators, because except for simple spark coils, they *all* use AC generated by alternators... Fessenden's innovation was to use AC above the voice frequency range. Brilliant guy. Over 500 patents, in a variety of fields. Fessenden had a two-way transatlantic radiotelephone setup in operation by November of 1906 using alternator RF sources. The demo of Christmas Eve 1906 was repeated a week later (New Year's Eve). These events are well documented. As is DeForrest's later voice coverage of the New York yacht race, using a spark transmitter of the earlier type (no alternator) but using a regenerative detector with a triode tube. I can't remember when that took place, although it is in several books, but the triode (audion) patent discloses the regenerative detector and was issued in 1907, so the yacht race must have taken place around that period. Practical regenerative detection is generally credited to Armstrong in 1915. However, DeForest's use of voice communication at such an early date is another historic fact. Seems to me that Fessenden's transatlantic 2 way radiotelephone operation is the most significant of these early developments. Less than 5 years after Marconi claimed one-time one-way reception of a single coded letter, Fessenden had practical, repeatable, two-way voice transatlantic radio communications over a longer path, using much less power. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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N2EY wrote:
The original 1913 reason for technical qualifications was to prevent interference to nonamateurs caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters. How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? Reading the FCC enforcement letters, such interference today seems to be more a case of intentional modification of amateur equipment by a lawless few to operate on nonamateur frequencies. It seems that you have to violate rules "on purpose" several times before the FCC starts working on it. Modern equipment rarely causes problems (like excessive splatter or harmonics). I'm talking about stuff from the major manufacturers (Yeacomwood), not the "freeband" "linayes". And who hasn't, by mistake, operate the wrong mode in some subband? Like answering a foreign phone CQ on 7140? Oops... Most people will not make a habit of doing that, but once or twice over the years. The FCC realizes that errors do happen, and that most people will realize the error and correct it themselves without the FCC having to do anything about it. jgjyujklo;fgd |
Robert Casey wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote: The original 1913 reason for technical qualifications was to prevent interference to nonamateurs caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters. How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? Reading the FCC enforcement letters, such interference today seems to be more a case of intentional modification of amateur equipment by a lawless few to operate on nonamateur frequencies. It seems that you have to violate rules "on purpose" several times before the FCC starts working on it. I think it all comes down to complaints, too. Modern equipment rarely causes problems (like excessive splatter or harmonics). I'm talking about stuff from the major manufacturers (Yeacomwood), not the "freeband" "linayes". That's very true. And it raises the question of "why should hams have to know all sorts of theory stuff when the original reason for that knowledge is largely gone" (similar to the above anticodetest argument - and just as incomplete). And who hasn't, by mistake, operate the wrong mode in some subband? Me. I've *never* done that. Not by mistake, not intentionally either. Like answering a foreign phone CQ on 7140? Not even once. Oops... Most people will not make a habit of doing that, but once or twice over the years. Mistakes happen. But when you read the FCC enforcement letters, it becomes clear that mistakes, particularly technical ones, aren't really much of a problem anymore in the ARS. The FCC realizes that errors do happen, and that most people will realize the error and correct it themselves without the FCC having to do anything about it. That's why we have OOs. The OO program was instituted so that hams would find out about such problem from each other rather than FCC. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
On 4 Dec 2003 09:26:52 -0800, N2EY wrote:
Mistakes happen. But when you read the FCC enforcement letters, it becomes clear that mistakes, particularly technical ones, aren't really much of a problem anymore in the ARS. Technical mistakes were, and I would guess still are, handled by less formal warnings (a phone call or an Advisory Notice rather than a Notice of Violation or a Notice of Apparent Liability to Forfeiture, for instance) at least the first time around. Whatever works..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon |
N2EY wrote:
Robert Casey wrote in message ... N2EY wrote: The original 1913 reason for technical qualifications was to prevent interference to nonamateurs caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters. How much interference to nonamateurs is caused by improper adjustment of amateur transmitters today? Reading the FCC enforcement letters, such interference today seems to be more a case of intentional modification of amateur equipment by a lawless few to operate on nonamateur frequencies. It seems that you have to violate rules "on purpose" several times before the FCC starts working on it. I think it all comes down to complaints, too. Modern equipment rarely causes problems (like excessive splatter or harmonics). I'm talking about stuff from the major manufacturers (Yeacomwood), not the "freeband" "linayes". That's very true. And it raises the question of "why should hams have to know all sorts of theory stuff when the original reason for that knowledge is largely gone" Well, the FCC allows us to build and modify equipment for use on the ham bands, and it would be a good idea if we know what we are doing. At least be able to recognize things like wrong frequency (like out of band), severe harmonics, splatter, TVI, and such. Cell phone users don't have licenses, but they're not allowed to modify their equipment either. Same for CBers. A CBer isn't supposed to modify his radio to operate on 10m, but a ham could. It becomes a "ham radio set" and no longer a "CB set". If and when the FCC says "no homebrewing or modifying, off the shelf 'type accepted' rigs only, then the theory requirement gets weaker. I doubt the FCC would ever do that, as one of our reasons for existing is to encourage learning about radio and electronics. |
In article , Robert Casey
writes: And it raises the question of "why should hams have to know all sorts of theory stuff when the original reason for that knowledge is largely gone" Well, the FCC allows us to build and modify equipment for use on the ham bands, and it would be a good idea if we know what we are doing. Sure. Just like how the FCC allows us to send and receive Morse code on the ham bands, and it would be a good idea if we know what we are doing. Neither the use of Morse code nor the construction/modification of equipment is mandatory. Many hams enjoy amateur radio without doing either. At least be able to recognize things like wrong frequency (like out of band), severe harmonics, splatter, TVI, and such. Sure. Just like being at least be able to recognize most of the 43 symbols of the Morse Code when sent at the very slow speed of 5 wpm. Cell phone users don't have licenses, but they're not allowed to modify their equipment either. Same for CBers. A CBer isn't supposed to modify his radio to operate on 10m, but a ham could. Yet they often do just that. It becomes a "ham radio set" and no longer a "CB set". If and when the FCC says "no homebrewing or modifying, off the shelf 'type accepted' rigs only, then the theory requirement gets weaker. Usually such modifications require the high level of technical skill required to cut the blue wire or crush diode D17.... And such modifications are not mandatory at all. Most hams today use certified equipment, do they not? Which is more common on the amateur HF bands: hams using homebrew/seriously modified equipment, or hams using Morse code? Do you really think the written exams adequately test whether a ham can build or modify amateur radio equipment - particularly considering the wide range of bands, modes and technologies usable by hams? I doubt the FCC would ever do that, as one of our reasons for existing is to encourage learning about radio and electronics. IMHO they've been gradually watering down the theory tests for over 25 years. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Robert Casey writes: And it raises the question of "why should hams have to know all sorts of theory stuff when the original reason for that knowledge is largely gone" Well, the FCC allows us to build and modify equipment for use on the ham bands, and it would be a good idea if we know what we are doing. Sure. Just like how the FCC allows us to send and receive Morse code on the ham bands, and it would be a good idea if we know what we are doing. Bzzt, passing a code test is NOT required to use morse code on ALL ham bands. A "no-code" tech is free touse morse at whatever speed or skill level (or lack of skill level) one wants to. I have no recollection of anyone ever being cited by the FCC for "sloppy" or too slow a code speed. Have you? At least be able to recognize things like wrong frequency (like out of band), severe harmonics, splatter, TVI, and such. Sure. Just like being at least be able to recognize most of the 43 symbols of the Morse Code when sent at the very slow speed of 5 wpm. That isn't a requirement in terms of actual use of morse. Cell phone users don't have licenses, but they're not allowed to modify their equipment either. Same for CBers. A CBer isn't supposed to modify his radio to operate on 10m, but a ham could. Yet they often do just that. You know anyone that modified their cellphone? CBs we know about, cellphones...I doubt it. It becomes a "ham radio set" and no longer a "CB set". If and when the FCC says "no homebrewing or modifying, off the shelf 'type accepted' rigs only, then the theory requirement gets weaker. Usually such modifications require the high level of technical skill required to cut the blue wire or crush diode D17.... And such modifications are not mandatory at all. Most hams today use certified equipment, do they not? Certified against what? Which is more common on the amateur HF bands: hams using homebrew/seriously modified equipment, or hams using Morse code? Do you really think the written exams adequately test whether a ham can build or modify amateur radio equipment - particularly considering the wide range of bands, modes and technologies usable by hams? Did the novice test, even in 1960 adequuately do that? I say no, yet those novices were also free to "homebrew" or build it themselves. I doubt the FCC would ever do that, as one of our reasons for existing is to encourage learning about radio and electronics. IMHO they've been gradually watering down the theory tests for over 25 years. Frankly, the General test of 1960 wasn't all that theory difficult. Many of us just memorized some formulas and some circuit diagrams. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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