Broadband over Power Lines has been approved for a NPRM by the full 5
commissioners of the FCC. What this means for all short wave listeners
is that once BPL is deployed a SWL is not protected by any
interference caused by BPL transmissions. SWL's use part 15 devices and
most accept any interference.
If BPL interfered with local Radio or TV broadcast then the
licensee of those stations could complain, however I doubt
if any SWL in America will be able to get a international
broadcaster to complain to a utility company about BPL interference.
Basically this could lead to the death of shortwave listening and
ham radio is equally threatened.
Ham radio and CB operators will face irate neighbors
who have their BPL Internet connection interfered with by
transmissions. I can easily see enraged neighbors calling
their congress person complaining about the 'CBer' wiping
out all the Internet connections in their neighborhoods
and congress quickly passing a law placing the burden on
the Ham Radio and CB Operator not to interfere with Internet BPL.
The FCC has allowed the beginning of the end of HF operation
by allowing BPL to use HF frequencies.

IMHO

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It may work, but I question how well. One reason for granting permission is
to extend internet to rural areas that can't be served by conventinal means.
This Summer may prove whether it will be feasible or not. If the energy grid
goes down, no one will be surfing on power lines. There is concern about the
stability of the power grid and its vulnerability to terrorists and wackos.
I question surfers' personal safety and security using a power line setup. I
already have a great deal of interefernce all up and down the bands from
some sort of constant computer signal in the area - power line transmission
does not turn me on. It seems like recycling old rickety infrastucture to
use new technology whose needs are not going to be well met by a means of
transmission that is insecure and unreliable. Beside that, increasing the
traffic on circuits already maxed out by spam and hackers is going to do
nothing good to existing users of the internet. The Service Providers
already lack sufficient bandwidth, and increasing traffic will not improve
service if the providers cannot provide enough servers and secure enough
transmission lines. To crash a program or a computer it is only necessary to
gable enough ones and zeros - maybe even just one.

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Broadband over Power Lines has been approved for a NPRM by the full 5
commissioners of the FCC. What this means for all short wave listeners
is that once BPL is deployed a SWL is not protected by any
interference caused by BPL transmissions. SWL's use part 15 devices and
most accept any interference.
If BPL interfered with local Radio or TV broadcast then the
licensee of those stations could complain, however I doubt
if any SWL in America will be able to get a international
broadcaster to complain to a utility company about BPL interference.
Basically this could lead to the death of shortwave listening and
ham radio is equally threatened.
Ham radio and CB operators will face irate neighbors
who have their BPL Internet connection interfered with by
transmissions. I can easily see enraged neighbors calling
their congress person complaining about the 'CBer' wiping
out all the Internet connections in their neighborhoods
and congress quickly passing a law placing the burden on
the Ham Radio and CB Operator not to interfere with Internet BPL.
The FCC has allowed the beginning of the end of HF operation
by allowing BPL to use HF frequencies.

IMHO

--
Best Regards, Keith
NW Oregon Radio http://kilowatt-radio.org/
http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com

Well the way I look at it is, that if it makes the spectrum useless, then I
will use my gear for nothing more than a 24 Hour Beacon. Which in turn should
make BPL pretty much useless. Not worried about the neighbors, the will never
know whats causing there service to fail, and sooner than latter they will drop
the Service.

Keith,

Don't worry about the neighbors on this one. This could indeed become a
tacky situation. Since amateurs are supposed to used the minimum amount of
power for reliable communications, some coordination via the
internet/telephone may be in order. You pick a frequency with a lot of
interference from BPL. This means that both ends will have to use
substantial power. Where there is an egress, there also exists an ingress;
i.e., amateur transmissions will cause problems for BPL. At this point,
complaints may well be made. The amateur will also have to enter a
complaint. At this point, push is gonna come to shove. I suspect that some
government/public communications will also have a problem. Obviously, they
don't want to run much up into VHF or there would be a *ton* of problems,
but there will have to be a point that someone either says we need
reasonable coordination and protection - or - to heck with it, big money
gets everything. Notice how (at least in my newspaper today) they are
starting to talk about cutting social security? Not because it is going
broke; rather, because the feds are 'borrowing' these funds to keep the
deficite only rediculous rather than insane. The feds have to pay it back
(and they already want to welch on it). It is about time that we see in
print what the government *really* wants.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Keith" wrote in message
...
Broadband over Power Lines has been approved for a NPRM by the full 5
commissioners of the FCC. What this means for all short wave listeners
is that once BPL is deployed a SWL is not protected by any
interference caused by BPL transmissions. SWL's use part 15 devices and
most accept any interference.
If BPL interfered with local Radio or TV broadcast then the
licensee of those stations could complain, however I doubt
if any SWL in America will be able to get a international
broadcaster to complain to a utility company about BPL interference.
Basically this could lead to the death of shortwave listening and
ham radio is equally threatened.
Ham radio and CB operators will face irate neighbors
who have their BPL Internet connection interfered with by
transmissions. I can easily see enraged neighbors calling
their congress person complaining about the 'CBer' wiping
out all the Internet connections in their neighborhoods
and congress quickly passing a law placing the burden on
the Ham Radio and CB Operator not to interfere with Internet BPL.
The FCC has allowed the beginning of the end of HF operation
by allowing BPL to use HF frequencies.

IMHO

--
Best Regards, Keith
NW Oregon Radio http://kilowatt-radio.org/
http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com


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Keith wrote in message ...
Broadband over Power Lines has been approved for a NPRM by the full 5
commissioners of the FCC. What this means for all short wave listeners
is that once BPL is deployed a SWL is not protected by any
interference caused by BPL transmissions. SWL's use part 15 devices and
most accept any interference.
If BPL interfered with local Radio or TV broadcast then the
licensee of those stations could complain, however I doubt
if any SWL in America will be able to get a international
broadcaster to complain to a utility company about BPL interference.
Basically this could lead to the death of shortwave listening and
ham radio is equally threatened.
Ham radio and CB operators will face irate neighbors
who have their BPL Internet connection interfered with by
transmissions. I can easily see enraged neighbors calling
their congress person complaining about the 'CBer' wiping
out all the Internet connections in their neighborhoods
and congress quickly passing a law placing the burden on
the Ham Radio and CB Operator not to interfere with Internet BPL.
The FCC has allowed the beginning of the end of HF operation
by allowing BPL to use HF frequencies.

IMHO

WRONG but never mind.

w3rv

"Maximus" wrote in message
ink.net...
It may work, but I question how well. One reason for granting permission
is
to extend internet to rural areas that can't be served by conventinal
means.

Serving the rural areas happens to be the biggest marketing lie in the whole
mess. It won't be econmically feasible in the rural areas. There simply
are not enough customers per square mile to justify the amount of equipment
(e.g. signal boosters and transformer bypasses) that will have to be
installed.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

(WA8ULX) wrote in message ...
Well the way I look at it is, that if it makes the spectrum useless, then I
will use my gear for nothing more than a 24 Hour Beacon. Which in turn should
make BPL pretty much useless. Not worried about the neighbors, the will never
know whats causing there service to fail, and sooner than latter they will drop
the Service.

But, Bruce, you're not on HF. You said so yourself.

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Broadband over Power Lines has been approved for a NPRM by the full 5
commissioners of the FCC. What this means for all short wave listeners
is that once BPL is deployed a SWL is not protected by any
interference caused by BPL transmissions. SWL's use part 15 devices
and
most accept any interference.

[snip]


It's my guess that interference and the FCC are the least of BPL's
problems. Now let's see if it's fast and reliable enough to get people
to pay for it.

Frank Dresser

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Maximus" wrote in message
link.net...
It may work, but I question how well. One reason for granting permission is
to extend internet to rural areas that can't be served by conventinal means.

Serving the rural areas happens to be the biggest marketing lie in the whole
mess. It won't be econmically feasible in the rural areas. There simply
are not enough customers per square mile to justify the amount of equipment
(e.g. signal boosters and transformer bypasses) that will have to be
installed.

You "know" all those technical things from experience and learning
how to twiddle a morse key in amateur radio? :-)

Please point to a trade-technical press with detailed technical
information on any of the proposed BPL systems. Detailed
descriptions including signal levels, not computer simulations
based on assumptions.

LHA / WMD

I hate to say it, but I'll probably put up a 10 meter beacon. Of course,
FCC rules state using the minimum amount of power necessary for
communications. This means searching out folks on the internet that are
perhaps 40 miles away and you'd need some 'reasonable' power on 10 meters.
Best to use a horizontal dipole. A vertical will reduce BPL interference in
both directions and a yagi would reduce your horizontal signal spread (as
well as aid communications). 100 watts or so ... I wonder what would be
most effective? AM/SSB/FM? Again, you simply increase power on the mode
selected to obtain decent communications. You also happen to choose a mode
that would tend to disrupt BPL. Of course, if the power companies do happen
to filter to protect amateur bands, they also will protect themselves from
signal ingress. Obviously, they are smart enough to stay away from the
commercial FM band, but I'd bet there will be problems in fringe areas for
channel 2 and 3 television. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
Well the way I look at it is, that if it makes the spectrum useless, then
I
will use my gear for nothing more than a 24 Hour Beacon. Which in turn
should
make BPL pretty much useless. Not worried about the neighbors, the will
never
know whats causing there service to fail, and sooner than latter they will
drop
the Service.


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