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Jim Leder March 3rd 04 01:49 PM

Cinergy brings BPL to Cincinnati for $29.95/mo
 
Unfortunately I agree. There is simply too much money backing BPL. The best
we can hope for is to slow it down or at least apply enough pressure that
the industry finds a way to clean it up. As it stands now, amateur radio as
we know it is in grave danger.



"Don Parker" wrote in message
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A 1 Mb/sec feed in each direction for only $29.95 per month? That's
what the press releases claim that Cinergy Electric can deliver right
now.

BPL is a juggernaut that will not be stopped by the ARRL or anyone
else. There's simply too much money in it.

And notice that this isn't rural service either. Probably not too
surprising, since the claim of rural services is simply a pretense
anyway. It's large cities like Cincinnati that the BPL proponents
intended to service all along.

Goodbye to radio station WKRP, by the way. Nobody will be able to
listen any more.




Steve Robeson, K4CAP March 3rd 04 10:17 PM

"Jim Leder" wrote in message ...

Unfortunately I agree. There is simply too much money backing BPL. The best
we can hope for is to slow it down or at least apply enough pressure that
the industry finds a way to clean it up. As it stands now, amateur radio as
we know it is in grave danger.


Guys...the trick here is to get organized clubs to start placing
informational ads in local papers and other media to INFORM the public
of exactly what harm BPL will bring. Yeah...it's gonna cost some
bucks, but what's it worth to you to keep this crap at bay...?!?!

They ALSO need to be informed that since this is a Part 15
program they are afforded NO PROTECTION from interferene from ANY
licensed radiator.

Lastly, we need to get the ARRL to start lobbying Congress to
mandate an informational insert in any BPL-accessing device informing
the consumer of exactly what Part 15 means and what the consumer can
expect.

73

Steve, K4YZ

M. uberputz March 4th 04 04:36 AM


"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
om...
"Jim Leder" wrote in message

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They ALSO need to be informed that since this is a Part 15
program they are afforded NO PROTECTION from interferene from ANY
licensed radiator.


That's right. Hopefully somebody will find a
way to generate and send "BPLI" (BPL Interference)
via some kind of a handy device right back up
the power line and into the distribution network
out on the pole. If they send it down the power
line then there must be a way to send it right back
up the same, creating standing waves, and fudging
their datastream. You hackers out there need
to get to work on this.

Related story:

http://www.computerworld.com/industr...801,90700,00.h
tml

http://www.isoc.org/briefings/013/

....and finally, the BPL Industry Big-Wigs will be having
a Conference and Industry Trade Show in Herndon
Virginia on April 21-22, 2004 at the Dulles Hyatt Hotel.

Show Link: http://www.plca.net/newsandevents.asp

You hams in the Va/DC/Md area need to
get out there and "meet with" these people.

Lastly, we need to get the ARRL to start lobbying Congress to
mandate an informational insert in any BPL-accessing device informing
the consumer of exactly what Part 15 means and what the consumer can
expect.


see: http://www.plca.net/FCC-04-29A1.pdf


73

Steve, K4YZ



Robert Casey March 4th 04 07:54 PM

M. uberputz wrote:

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
. com...


"Jim Leder" wrote in message


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They ALSO need to be informed that since this is a Part 15
program they are afforded NO PROTECTION from interferene from ANY
licensed radiator.



That's right. Hopefully somebody will find a
way to generate and send "BPLI" (BPL Interference)
via some kind of a handy device right back up
the power line and into the distribution network
out on the pole. If they send it down the power
line then there must be a way to send it right back
up the same, creating standing waves, and fudging
their datastream. You hackers out there need
to get to work on this.



New mode: International DX "BPL" style digital protocol communications.
Be sure to use your kilowatt linear to maintain desired QSOs.


N2EY March 6th 04 12:48 PM

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Lastly, we need to get the ARRL to start lobbying Congress to
mandate an informational insert in any BPL-accessing device informing
the consumer of exactly what Part 15 means and what the consumer can
expect.


I think that's premature, Steve. The NPRM is still open for comments, which
means that FCC can still change things. The focus right now should be on NPRM
comments. There are many points to be made about the various provisions of the
NPRM. Note that BPL has *not* gotten an unconditional go-ahead from FCC - they
have a number of requirements to meet. The focus now should be on getting
specific, hard-and-fast definitions of those requirements, by paragraph and
exact wording.

73 de Jim, N2EY





Brian Kelly March 6th 04 11:18 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
"Jim Leder" wrote in message ...

Unfortunately I agree. There is simply too much money backing BPL. The best
we can hope for is to slow it down or at least apply enough pressure that
the industry finds a way to clean it up. As it stands now, amateur radio as
we know it is in grave danger.


Guys...the trick here is to get organized clubs to start placing
informational ads in local papers and other media to INFORM the public
of exactly what harm BPL will bring. Yeah...it's gonna cost some
bucks, but what's it worth to you to keep this crap at bay...?!?!

They ALSO need to be informed that since this is a Part 15
program they are afforded NO PROTECTION from interferene from ANY
licensed radiator.


I think that's already an FCC requirement Steve. Somewhere somebody
recently mentioned that warnings like that are required to be printed
in the instruction sheets which come with Part 15 wireless devices.
'Course the last thing anybody does when plugging widgets in and
firing 'em up is read the instructions.


Lastly, we need to get the ARRL to start lobbying Congress to
mandate an informational insert in any BPL-accessing device informing
the consumer of exactly what Part 15 means and what the consumer can
expect.

73

Steve, K4YZ


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