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N2EY wrote:
New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books So? The ARRL had training films that had smiley faces on electrons in cartoons of radio circuits. If this book can get newbies up to speed so that they don't make bonehead errors on the air, then it's a good thing. The new ham can fill in gaps of knowledge as he goes along later. |
probably a good book for some of the people in this group!
"N2EY" wrote in message m... New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Hello all ...... Anything that gives out good information and contributes
to one's positive knowledge is good. The dummy series books have given a lot of people positive information ....ergo ......Now my American Lit instructor in highschool sort of looked down on my Classic Comic version of Moby Dick ....but the pictures were a lot better than the original ....I understand that Herman wasn't much of an artist. God Bless 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. |
"N2EY" wrote in message m... | New book: | | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books | I've ordered a copy for my 12-YO grandson, Tanner, soon to be a General. N0AX is a gifted writer, humorist, radiosport contestant, all-around-good-operator, and good-guy. 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333, Hans, K0HB |
"garigue" wrote in
message news:ZvFcc.84605$K91.184926@attbi_s02... Hello all ...... Anything that gives out good information and contributes to one's positive knowledge is good. The dummy series books have given a lot of people positive information. I agree 100%...don't let the title fool anyone... The "XYZ for Dummies" books are great because they assume the reader knows nothing and then provide guidance that allows a reader to jump over material they do already know. All too often attempts at beginner level books written by experts in their field often assume far too much basic knowledge or understanding on the part of the reader. I taught an Intro to the Internet class a few times in our local adult ed program and I always recommended the "dummies" books. No one ever regretted buying one. Cheers Bill K2UNK |
That is a NCI / W5YI approved publication.
"N2EY" wrote in message m... New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books 73 de Jim, N2EY --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/2004 |
NCI has NOT been involved in the approval or disapproval
of anyone's book. As for the possibility that the book is a W5YI pub, well so what does that mean? Cheers, Bill K2UNK, NCI Bd of Directors "Emmersom Bigguns" wrote in message ... That is a NCI / W5YI approved publication. "N2EY" wrote in message m... New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...081272720/sr=1 -1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2958427-3473431?v=glance&s=books 73 de Jim, N2EY |
In article .net, "KØHB"
writes: "N2EY" wrote in message om... | New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...d=1081272720/s r=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2958427-3473431?v=glance&s=books I've ordered a copy for my 12-YO grandson, Tanner, soon to be a General. It would have been available last month. Amazon has had pre-print ads for three weeks on it. Someone else made a comment on it then, so did I. Suddenly it's a "new" thing? Ah, but ONLY if certain folkses mention it! So dess...! Oink. LHA / WMD |
In article , Robert Casey
writes: N2EY wrote: New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...id=1081272720/ sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2958427-3473431?v=glance&s=books So? So I came across it and wanted folks to know it wasn't a joke or a photoshop. The ARRL had training films that had smiley faces on electrons in cartoons of radio circuits. Never saw that one. But if it works, why not? If this book can get newbies up to speed so that they don't make bonehead errors on the air, then it's a good thing. Agreed! The new ham can fill in gaps of knowledge as he goes along later. Better yet, avoid those gaps from the beginning. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Clarification:
I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. (insert standard "no connection" disclaimer here) "KØHB" wrote in message hlink.net... "N2EY" wrote in message m... | New book: | | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books | I've ordered a copy for my 12-YO grandson, Tanner, soon to be a General. Excellent! N0AX is a gifted writer, humorist, radiosport contestant, all-around-good-operator, and good-guy. I did not recognize his name on the book's cover, but I recognize that call. 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333, Cute! Hans, K0HB 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". Hans |
KØHB wrote:
"N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". Only if Jim's never read a "Dummies" book, *and* is lying. I'm disinclined to believe either of those assumptions. Presuposing presupositions seldom works, except maybe for Fox News........... - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article et, "KØHB"
writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, I have to agree with Hans, your original subject line created a distinct perception in me that you disapproved of the dummies books and specifically the dummies for ham radio book. That was why I posted my own experiences of reading and recommending dummies books for internet. Hey, I'm just another perspective...no harm done. The RRAP postings have been pretty low volume of late anyway :-) :-) Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
N2EY wrote:
In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! Oy! Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! - Mike KB3EIA - |
N2EY wrote:
New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books 73 de Jim, N2EY Now if they would write "Calculus for Dummies". And not just how to solve Calculus 101 final examples, but how to use calculus to solve real world "word" problems...... 73 de Bob, who enjoyed calculus so much I took it twice :-) |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
N2EY wrote: In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! What makes you say that? :-) Oy! Hold hands to cheeks when you say that. If it's really astonishing, say "Oy gevalt!" Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" If it isn't published by ARRL it can't be any good, can it? :-) "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Could have been worse...a book printed with a title page and every other page blank. Real thing. Was on the book market a few years back. I'm waiting for a similar book with no text content...only morse code dots and dashes. After all, "morse code is the universal language." Wouldn't need any translation. Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! Are there codified prejudices now? Standard prejudices? By photographic evidence in amateur radio periodicals, U.S. radio amateurs are invariably White Males. Prejudice? I'm still wondering why so few noticed the pre-print-delivery advertisements on Amazon back in March. Another ham saw them and posted in here. I posted in here on that. Don't recall the same thing in QST. Maybe my eyes are "prejudiced?" :-) LHA / WMD |
I guess for someone who didn't have ANY experience in ham radio, it might be
a good start...... One does not become an Extra Class operator overnight. Ya gotta start somewhere. Unfortunately the "mentoring" spirit is not like it might have been in the past. So, the texts the new potential hams will need should have as much information as possible in order to make them better hams. Ryan KC8PMX "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Robert Casey writes: N2EY wrote: New book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...id=1081272720/ sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2958427-3473431?v=glance&s=books So? So I came across it and wanted folks to know it wasn't a joke or a photoshop. The ARRL had training films that had smiley faces on electrons in cartoons of radio circuits. Never saw that one. But if it works, why not? If this book can get newbies up to speed so that they don't make bonehead errors on the air, then it's a good thing. Agreed! The new ham can fill in gaps of knowledge as he goes along later. Better yet, avoid those gaps from the beginning. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Emmersom Bigguns wrote:
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message link.net... NCI has NOT been involved in the approval or disapproval of anyone's book. As for the possibility that the book is a W5YI pub, well so what does that mean? If it is a W5YI pub it is well titled, a book for dummies written by a dummy. |
Bill Sohl wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message ... Emmersom Bigguns wrote: "Bill Sohl" wrote in message rthlink.net... NCI has NOT been involved in the approval or disapproval of anyone's book. As for the possibility that the book is a W5YI pub, well so what does that mean? If it is a W5YI pub it is well titled, a book for dummies written by a dummy. Its a sure sign of a complete lack of anything rational or logical to say when individuals resort to name calling. No cheers, Bill K2UNK I have known W5YI personally in the past, he used to be the laughing stock on the Dallas repeaters. |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message link.net... NCI has NOT been involved in the approval or disapproval of anyone's book. As for the possibility that the book is a W5YI pub, well so what does that mean? It means NCI's dream of a dumbed down Amateur Radio Service has come true. You folks must be proud, you have given birth to a retarded baby. LOL --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/2004 |
"JJ" wrote in message ... Emmersom Bigguns wrote: "Bill Sohl" wrote in message link.net... NCI has NOT been involved in the approval or disapproval of anyone's book. As for the possibility that the book is a W5YI pub, well so what does that mean? If it is a W5YI pub it is well titled, a book for dummies written by a dummy. Its a sure sign of a complete lack of anything rational or logical to say when individuals resort to name calling. No cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Emmersom Bigguns" wrote in message ... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message link.net... NCI has NOT been involved in the approval or disapproval of anyone's book. As for the possibility that the book is a W5YI pub, well so what does that mean? It means NCI's dream of a dumbed down Amateur Radio Service has come true. You folks must be proud, you have given birth to a retarded baby. LOL I guess you must believe if you repeat the lie often enough, you'll get a few people to believe you. Propoganda 101. No cheers, Bill K2UNK |
JJ wrote in message ...
Emmersom Bigguns wrote: "Bill Sohl" wrote in message link.net... NCI has NOT been involved in the approval or disapproval of anyone's book. As for the possibility that the book is a W5YI pub, well so what does that mean? If it is a W5YI pub it is well titled, a book for dummies written by a dummy. Mebbe he'll author one for you, "Amateur Radio for Jerks." How is it that you can throw someone else's callsign around, but don't have one of your own? |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! What makes you say that? :-) Oy! Hold hands to cheeks when you say that. If it's really astonishing, say "Oy gevalt!" Oy Karumba? Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" If it isn't published by ARRL it can't be any good, can it? :-) "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Could have been worse...a book printed with a title page and every other page blank. Real thing. Was on the book market a few years back. Did it sell well? I'm waiting for a similar book with no text content...only morse code dots and dashes. After all, "morse code is the universal language." Wouldn't need any translation. Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! Are there codified prejudices now? Standard prejudices? Makes it easier, I guess. By photographic evidence in amateur radio periodicals, U.S. radio amateurs are invariably White Males. Prejudice? Mostly white males. I've seen the occasional woman show up in a pix. Less African American men or women. Spanish heritage is fairly common. There are problems getting *especially* women interested in the technical fields. On our "Bring your sons and daughters to work day" we always ask the kids what they want to do for a living. None of the young ladies have indicated they want to go into engineering yet. A majority have said they want to be lawyers! I wonder why. I doubt engineers are more sexist or creepier than any other subset of males. When in doubt, blame it on Liberals?? 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! What makes you say that? :-) Oy! Hold hands to cheeks when you say that. If it's really astonishing, say "Oy gevalt!" Oy Karumba? No, "oy gevalt!" [you haven't had enough chicken soup yet] Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" If it isn't published by ARRL it can't be any good, can it? :-) "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Could have been worse...a book printed with a title page and every other page blank. Real thing. Was on the book market a few years back. Did it sell well? Unknown. It was on the book market for over a month and actually received literary comment in the press! Not on content, primarily on general chutzpah of the "author" and the publishing company. There's somewhat the same sort of chutzpah on the part of a certain New England publishing corporation... I'm waiting for a similar book with no text content...only morse code dots and dashes. After all, "morse code is the universal language." Wouldn't need any translation. Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! Are there codified prejudices now? Standard prejudices? Makes it easier, I guess. So, you approve of prejudice? By photographic evidence in amateur radio periodicals, U.S. radio amateurs are invariably White Males. Prejudice? Mostly white males. I've seen the occasional woman show up in a pix. Less African American men or women. Spanish heritage is fairly common. Much much less of "African-American." There are problems getting *especially* women interested in the technical fields. On our "Bring your sons and daughters to work day" we always ask the kids what they want to do for a living. None of the young ladies have indicated they want to go into engineering yet. A majority have said they want to be lawyers! You would do well - on criticism of gender content in engineering - to look at the periodicals of the IEEE or ACM in regard to women in engineering. Particularly in high office positions of the IEEE and ACM. Notable example: Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard. I wonder why. I doubt engineers are more sexist or creepier than any other subset of males. When in doubt, blame it on Liberals?? 8^) Why do you single out engineers? I was not discussing engineers. Engineers are human. But, engineers are forced to obey the laws of physics first in order to stay employed as engineers. No physical laws are changeable by human legislation. Radio amateurs, by contrast, seem very much inclined to fantasy, group-think, imagination, and some considerable misogyny as well as rigid conservatism in standards and practices. Examples of that have been in here for years. LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! What makes you say that? :-) Oy! Hold hands to cheeks when you say that. If it's really astonishing, say "Oy gevalt!" Oy Karumba? No, "oy gevalt!" [you haven't had enough chicken soup yet] Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" If it isn't published by ARRL it can't be any good, can it? :-) "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Could have been worse...a book printed with a title page and every other page blank. Real thing. Was on the book market a few years back. Did it sell well? Unknown. It was on the book market for over a month and actually received literary comment in the press! Not on content, primarily on general chutzpah of the "author" and the publishing company. There's somewhat the same sort of chutzpah on the part of a certain New England publishing corporation... I'm waiting for a similar book with no text content...only morse code dots and dashes. After all, "morse code is the universal language." Wouldn't need any translation. Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! Are there codified prejudices now? Standard prejudices? Makes it easier, I guess. So, you approve of prejudice? By photographic evidence in amateur radio periodicals, U.S. radio amateurs are invariably White Males. Prejudice? Mostly white males. I've seen the occasional woman show up in a pix. Less African American men or women. Spanish heritage is fairly common. Much much less of "African-American." There are problems getting *especially* women interested in the technical fields. On our "Bring your sons and daughters to work day" we always ask the kids what they want to do for a living. None of the young ladies have indicated they want to go into engineering yet. A majority have said they want to be lawyers! You would do well - on criticism of gender content in engineering - to look at the periodicals of the IEEE or ACM in regard to women in engineering. Particularly in high office positions of the IEEE and ACM. Notable example: Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard. I wonder why. I doubt engineers are more sexist or creepier than any other subset of males. When in doubt, blame it on Liberals?? 8^) Why do you single out engineers? I was not discussing engineers. Engineers are human. But, engineers are forced to obey the laws of physics first in order to stay employed as engineers. No physical laws are changeable by human legislation. Radio amateurs, by contrast, seem very much inclined to fantasy, group-think, imagination, and some considerable misogyny as well as rigid conservatism in standards and practices. Examples of that have been in here for years. LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! What makes you say that? :-) Oy! Hold hands to cheeks when you say that. If it's really astonishing, say "Oy gevalt!" Oy Karumba? No, "oy gevalt!" [you haven't had enough chicken soup yet] Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" If it isn't published by ARRL it can't be any good, can it? :-) "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Could have been worse...a book printed with a title page and every other page blank. Real thing. Was on the book market a few years back. Did it sell well? Unknown. It was on the book market for over a month and actually received literary comment in the press! Not on content, primarily on general chutzpah of the "author" and the publishing company. There's somewhat the same sort of chutzpah on the part of a certain New England publishing corporation... I'm waiting for a similar book with no text content...only morse code dots and dashes. After all, "morse code is the universal language." Wouldn't need any translation. Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! Are there codified prejudices now? Standard prejudices? Makes it easier, I guess. So, you approve of prejudice? Oh No! in the context of what I was saying a long time ago when this was first posted was that Hans and Bill had *their* prejudices in assuming Jim was posting a disparaging comment in the Subject line. And remember, If I did approve of prejudice, I wouldn't want it easy. Remember, I am the whack that likes things to be hard work! 8^) By photographic evidence in amateur radio periodicals, U.S. radio amateurs are invariably White Males. Prejudice? Mostly white males. I've seen the occasional woman show up in a pix. Less African American men or women. Spanish heritage is fairly common. Much much less of "African-American." There are problems getting *especially* women interested in the technical fields. On our "Bring your sons and daughters to work day" we always ask the kids what they want to do for a living. None of the young ladies have indicated they want to go into engineering yet. A majority have said they want to be lawyers! You would do well - on criticism of gender content in engineering - to look at the periodicals of the IEEE or ACM in regard to women in engineering. Particularly in high office positions of the IEEE and ACM. Notable example: Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard. I wonder why. I doubt engineers are more sexist or creepier than any other subset of males. When in doubt, blame it on Liberals?? 8^) Why do you single out engineers? I was not discussing engineers. The topic goes where it will. You were discussing Ham radio, which is a technical hobby. Engineers run to the technical by by nature. And there seems to be some problem in attracting women to the technical fields. Engineers are human. But, engineers are forced to obey the laws of physics first in order to stay employed as engineers. No physical laws are changeable by human legislation. Radio amateurs, by contrast, seem very much inclined to fantasy, group-think, imagination, and some considerable misogyny as well as rigid conservatism in standards and practices. Examples of that have been in here for years. All of them? - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! What makes you say that? :-) Oy! Hold hands to cheeks when you say that. If it's really astonishing, say "Oy gevalt!" Oy Karumba? No, "oy gevalt!" [you haven't had enough chicken soup yet] Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" If it isn't published by ARRL it can't be any good, can it? :-) "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Could have been worse...a book printed with a title page and every other page blank. Real thing. Was on the book market a few years back. Did it sell well? Unknown. It was on the book market for over a month and actually received literary comment in the press! Not on content, primarily on general chutzpah of the "author" and the publishing company. There's somewhat the same sort of chutzpah on the part of a certain New England publishing corporation... I'm waiting for a similar book with no text content...only morse code dots and dashes. After all, "morse code is the universal language." Wouldn't need any translation. Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! Are there codified prejudices now? Standard prejudices? Makes it easier, I guess. So, you approve of prejudice? Oh No! in the context of what I was saying a long time ago when this was first posted was that Hans and Bill had *their* prejudices in assuming Jim was posting a disparaging comment in the Subject line. I don't see any "prejudices" other than in individual preference for or against the telegraphy TEST for amateur radio licensing. Hans Brakob is on public record as being a definite fan of radio telegraphy...and as against the amateur radio telegraphy test in the future for the purposes of amateur licensing. Bill Sohl is on public record as having taken an amateur radio telegraphy test to obtain a license grant and is also a Director of NCI. The first posting of a "new book" ("Ham Radio For Dummies" as appearing on pre-print advertisements at Amazon) was done by someone using a pseudonym in posting. The second posting in this newsgroup on the same book was done by me. Miccolis was the THIRD person to post on that new book, using another subject header. You cannot deny that the title "Ham Radio For Dummies" carries some emotional loading to create different impressions to anyone reading it for the first time. And remember, If I did approve of prejudice, I wouldn't want it easy. Remember, I am the whack that likes things to be hard work! 8^) Irrelevant in the context of the atmosphere of status-quo-ists in this newsgroup. By photographic evidence in amateur radio periodicals, U.S. radio amateurs are invariably White Males. Prejudice? Mostly white males. I've seen the occasional woman show up in a pix. Less African American men or women. Spanish heritage is fairly common. Much much less of "African-American." There are problems getting *especially* women interested in the technical fields. On our "Bring your sons and daughters to work day" we always ask the kids what they want to do for a living. None of the young ladies have indicated they want to go into engineering yet. A majority have said they want to be lawyers! You would do well - on criticism of gender content in engineering - to look at the periodicals of the IEEE or ACM in regard to women in engineering. Particularly in high office positions of the IEEE and ACM. Notable example: Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard. I wonder why. I doubt engineers are more sexist or creepier than any other subset of males. When in doubt, blame it on Liberals?? 8^) Why do you single out engineers? I was not discussing engineers. The topic goes where it will. You were discussing Ham radio, which is a technical hobby. Engineers run to the technical by by nature. Electronic engineers and electronic technicians are FORCED to work in their chosen field by the laws of physics. Human legislation cannot change natural laws of physics. Radio amateurs OPERATE according to legislated regulations and the status-quo-ists in here tend towards those regulations that were considered "best" in the 1930s, 70 years ago. Only a minority among licensed radio amateurs can adequately be considered "technical" about electronics-radio sufficient to understand it. And there seems to be some problem in attracting women to the technical fields. By all the photos, Hewlett-Packard's Carly is very much female. A bit of searching and observation will find a surprising percentage of females in "technical" fields such as electrical and electronic engineering, information technology, medicine, medicines, physics, higher mathematics, and even vehicle design and engineering. There is little evidence that females are "into" automobile repair, NASCAR pit crews (there are only a few drivers, none in pit crews), or oil-field drilling. Those are "technical" fields. Engineers are human. But, engineers are forced to obey the laws of physics first in order to stay employed as engineers. No physical laws are changeable by human legislation. Radio amateurs, by contrast, seem very much inclined to fantasy, group-think, imagination, and some considerable misogyny as well as rigid conservatism in standards and practices. Examples of that have been in here for years. All of them? Yes, all the examples. Consult Google archives to review who is who. "Google is your friend" - or enemy - depending on what you are after. LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article et, "KØHB" writes: "N2EY" wrote | Clarification: | | I hope that no one considered my post about this book to be | disparaging in any way. The subject line was chosen to indicate that | it is a real book, not a parody or photoshop. I'm disinclined to buy your weak disclaimer, Jim. My disclaimer is the truth, Hans. I've used several of the "Dummies" books. I have the one for Microsoft Office on my desk at work. I haven't seen a bad one yet. I have also seen many, many things on the internet passed off as "real" that look real but which are only photoshops. Just as you intended, most everyone who saw your chosen subject line opened the message expecting to find something on the order of "you ain't gonna believe this crap but it's true". That's not what I intended at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, sometimes people know exactly what you will say and what you mean even if you never said what they know you meant to say forever!! What makes you say that? :-) Oy! Hold hands to cheeks when you say that. If it's really astonishing, say "Oy gevalt!" Oy Karumba? No, "oy gevalt!" [you haven't had enough chicken soup yet] Possible alternative interpretations: "Look at this folks! A dummies book about ham radio. Who'd have figured they would write one of those? Supposedly so few people want to become Hams, how will they sell any of those books?" If it isn't published by ARRL it can't be any good, can it? :-) "Some people in here think that Hams are dummies, and look at this Dummies book that just came out! Sounds almost like a joke, but it's a real book!" Could have been worse...a book printed with a title page and every other page blank. Real thing. Was on the book market a few years back. Did it sell well? Unknown. It was on the book market for over a month and actually received literary comment in the press! Not on content, primarily on general chutzpah of the "author" and the publishing company. There's somewhat the same sort of chutzpah on the part of a certain New England publishing corporation... I'm waiting for a similar book with no text content...only morse code dots and dashes. After all, "morse code is the universal language." Wouldn't need any translation. Good luck with your prejudices, Hans and Bill! Are there codified prejudices now? Standard prejudices? Makes it easier, I guess. So, you approve of prejudice? Oh No! in the context of what I was saying a long time ago when this was first posted was that Hans and Bill had *their* prejudices in assuming Jim was posting a disparaging comment in the Subject line. I don't see any "prejudices" other than in individual preference for or against the telegraphy TEST for amateur radio licensing. Hans Brakob is on public record as being a definite fan of radio telegraphy...and as against the amateur radio telegraphy test in the future for the purposes of amateur licensing. Bill Sohl is on public record as having taken an amateur radio telegraphy test to obtain a license grant and is also a Director of NCI. The first posting of a "new book" ("Ham Radio For Dummies" as appearing on pre-print advertisements at Amazon) was done by someone using a pseudonym in posting. The second posting in this newsgroup on the same book was done by me. Miccolis was the THIRD person to post on that new book, using another subject header. You cannot deny that the title "Ham Radio For Dummies" carries some emotional loading to create different impressions to anyone reading it for the first time. And remember, If I did approve of prejudice, I wouldn't want it easy. Remember, I am the whack that likes things to be hard work! 8^) Irrelevant in the context of the atmosphere of status-quo-ists in this newsgroup. By photographic evidence in amateur radio periodicals, U.S. radio amateurs are invariably White Males. Prejudice? Mostly white males. I've seen the occasional woman show up in a pix. Less African American men or women. Spanish heritage is fairly common. Much much less of "African-American." There are problems getting *especially* women interested in the technical fields. On our "Bring your sons and daughters to work day" we always ask the kids what they want to do for a living. None of the young ladies have indicated they want to go into engineering yet. A majority have said they want to be lawyers! You would do well - on criticism of gender content in engineering - to look at the periodicals of the IEEE or ACM in regard to women in engineering. Particularly in high office positions of the IEEE and ACM. Notable example: Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard. I wonder why. I doubt engineers are more sexist or creepier than any other subset of males. When in doubt, blame it on Liberals?? 8^) Why do you single out engineers? I was not discussing engineers. The topic goes where it will. You were discussing Ham radio, which is a technical hobby. Engineers run to the technical by by nature. Electronic engineers and electronic technicians are FORCED to work in their chosen field by the laws of physics. Human legislation cannot change natural laws of physics. Radio amateurs OPERATE according to legislated regulations and the status-quo-ists in here tend towards those regulations that were considered "best" in the 1930s, 70 years ago. Only a minority among licensed radio amateurs can adequately be considered "technical" about electronics-radio sufficient to understand it. And there seems to be some problem in attracting women to the technical fields. By all the photos, Hewlett-Packard's Carly is very much female. Fiorina holds a bachelor's degree in medieval history and philosophy from Stanford University; a masters degree in business administration from the Robert H. Smith School of Business at the University of Maryland at College Park, Md.; and a master of science degree from MIT’s Sloan School. She is technical only if you consider business technical. You are right, she is unmistakably female. And my new H-P computer is a fine machine. I think she is doing a pretty good job there. A bit of searching and observation will find a surprising percentage of females in "technical" fields such as electrical and electronic engineering, information technology, medicine, medicines, physics, higher mathematics, and even vehicle design and engineering. A quick LexisNexis search shows 9.9 percent of engineers in 2000 were female. And the numbers of female students pursuing engineering degrees is dropping a bit. I don't have an overall number for that because the numbers are broken down by ethnicity. I don't feel quite comfortable enough with the statistics to compile an overall percentage for the current students. But I do not find those stats all that high. There is little evidence that females are "into" automobile repair, NASCAR pit crews (there are only a few drivers, none in pit crews), or oil-field drilling. Those are "technical" fields. Engineers are human. But, engineers are forced to obey the laws of physics first in order to stay employed as engineers. No physical laws are changeable by human legislation. Radio amateurs, by contrast, seem very much inclined to fantasy, group-think, imagination, and some considerable misogyny as well as rigid conservatism in standards and practices. Examples of that have been in here for years. All of them? Yes, all the examples. Do you mean "all the examples that fit your description? Consult Google archives to review who is who. "Google is your friend" - or enemy - depending on what you are after. Google is one search appliance. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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