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May 17th 04, 08:41 PM
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (William) wrote in message . com... (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (William) Date: 5/14/2004 7:38 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Seems really difficult for you to back up your, " Sorry Han's, MARS IS Amateur Radio". ," nonsense statement with anything substantive from either Part 97 or any DoD Regulation. What's needed, Brain? A citation from an applicable regulation. Brain, do you need to have a piece of paper in hand that says "If you are abruptly slapped with the open hand across the face, it will be markendly and acutely painful" in order to know that it's true? Please, not another threat to injure me. The gunnery nurse seems always to threaten people who disagree with him. That's a LOT of threats. :-) The Military Affiliate Radio System is authorized by Department of Defense Directive 4650.2, 26 Jan 98. Individual service branches have specific regulations. For the Army it is Army Regulation AR 25-6 as revised 29 Oct 98. For the USAF it is AFI 33-106. For the USN-USMC is is MARS Communications Instructions NTP 8(C), March 1998. The United States Army is the birthplace of MARS, first organized at the AARS or Army Amateur Radio System in 1925. The purpose was to increase skills within the Army by using amateur knowledge to improve Army communications. It was not a terribly popular thing either in or out of the Army. The AARS stopped at the start of the USA involvement with WW2 and cessation of amateur operations. It resumed in 1946. In 1948 the AARS was renamed with the organization of the USAF as a part of the new MARS, dropping the "amateur" in favor of the word "affiliate." By 1948 military radio was rather far from amateur practice and techniques. In 1962 the USN and USMC were made a part of MARS. The intent of MARS was basically a morale booster for all military personnel assigned far from USA territory. The role has changed (by directive and regulations) to become a liason between the military and civilian emergency organizations, principally FEMA. MARS also has ties with SHARES, the group of government HF radio users throughout the USA and foreign US locations. For morale purposes the military has direct Internet connections through the various DSN (Digital Switched Network) portals on land and afloat. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. No Amateur Radio = No MARS " Sorry Han's, MARS IS Amateur Radio". ," is simply untrue. No, it's not. That you are inadequately knowledgeable of MARS programs and policies to know otherwise is also true. Now you lie. The gunnery nurse has distinct definitions of "lie" different from other people. Those who disagree with him are "always lying." Dismissed. Never by a punk like you, Mr. Burke. You haven't got it in you. Steve, K4YZ Always calling people names. There's something wrong with you. Well...You're a punk. I see no reason to pull my punches. YOU insist on calling me "nuts"...been doing it for several months, yet you have no degree or training with which to validate such a proclamation. Your only "proof" is that I constantly dog you about stupid assertions and claims YOU make. That's another reason why I think you're nuts. You are the one who made a stupid assertion (Sorry Han's, MARS IS Amateur Radio"). I'm the one dogging you. It's not stupid. Perhaps poorly worded, at least to a person such as yourself who cannot understand the interdependence of the two. Poorly worded? Naw, Wrongly Worded! It's just wrong. The gunnery nurse will never concede any mistake he made. He has his own definitions and commands all to obey those unique definitions. For example, name-calling is part of his tough-guy credo. His personal "directive" allows that as part of his "civility." It isn't in the normal definitions that all others use. And you're still a punk. Not really. The gunnery nurse "permits" that form of "civility" by his own "directive." Name-calling is SOP. So, please substantiate your silly, stupid statement with a citation from an applicable regulation. Still need that peice of paper to know a slap in the facr hurts, Brain? Nope. I need a cite from any applicable regulation to convince me that your statement is true. Got one? The gunnery nurse has had, what, three weeks, to cite one and has not. A simple Internet search will turn up the official documents from the DoD and all three service branches. He is continuing a game of bluffing in trying to intimidate others to concede to him. MARS has never been an important part of military communications, never a part of either tactical or strategic planning. At best it is an extension of Special Services (in the Army old term) for entertainment and morale boosting of service personnel. However, the affiliation with the military has terribly important self-image boost points for individual amateurs who want to enoble themselves into thinking they are "part of the grand scheme to 'serve their country'." That "Lennie is my hero" line REALLY put you out front! Yep, he pulls out all the stops when he rubs your nose in your silly, stupid statments. I don't. I try to remain civil. Apparently, you don't respect civility. Sure I do. No, you don't. Gunnery nurse is a VERY sore loser. He can't abide by any disagreements to his statements or opinions. Ergo, all who disagree with him are "liars" and worthy of all kinds of name-calling. It must be the extension of the old USMC mythology where NCOs are all gods who MUST be obeyed and never, ever questioned. No "civility" is allowed within ranks. The problem of this ex-USMC member is that neither amateur radio nor the Internet is any part of the USMC. And right up to the part where you started in on your usual crapola in THIS thread, I had made it a point of very carefully typing B r i a n. That was very sweet of you, but doesn't change just how wrong your MARS=ARS claim was. Gunnery nurse cannot concede anything. MARS exists because of the Department of Defense Directive that says it does. A close inspection of USN-USMC NTP 8(C) will reveal that USN and USMC MARS operators do NOT need to possess amateur radio licenses in order to operate MARS radio equipment. In both USA and USAF regulations, MARS operations are done by Army or Air Force personnel who are not required to have amateur radio licenses. VOLUNTEER civilians are welcomed by all three branches but only the USA and USAF require volunteers to possess amateur licenses. USN-USMC does not. As for Lennie...the only "stops" he usually winds up pulling out are the ones holding him and the rest of his fecally contaminated verbal effluent back. Geee, it just doesn't look that way from my perspective. :-) Gunnery nurse has his own fantasy land perspective on society and definitions and civil behavior. He hasn't been able to adjust to civilian life after being rejected by the USMC. That he does it to himself (and now takes you along with him) is evident. That he was once a person of accomplishment and responsibility now fallen on his lack of character and honesty is pitiful. Odd, but I haven't seen much of Len lately. How nice of him to be taking me along with him. I've been gone, doing more important things in life. :-) That you voluntarilly get in step behind him is laughable at best. Its called, "The High Road." I'd call it "independent thought." Some in amateur radio do NOT permit independent thought and become outraged with anyone disagreeing with their noble, righteous bigoted thoughts of amateurism. So...we're even. Maybe before God, or before the Law. But in very, very few other ways. You're right, but not for the reason I am sure YOU think... SO FAR we are still waiting for you to back up your assertions that "unlicensed radio services" play a "major role" in disaster communications. So? I hope you won't mind if I keep you waiting? Gunnery nurse cannot concede anything on a subject. What he stated is divine law and none may go against that. We're also waiting for you to back up your Somalia claims. You continue to argue that "It's true because I say it's true", yet there should be a paper trail wide enough to roller skate on to show where your assertions are true. But I never needed your blessing. You'll just have to roller skate elsewhere. Actually, there's been NO third-party proof that gunnery nurse was ever in the USMC. All we have to go on is his "word" and his "I've got the proof in my wallet" sort of statements. :-) We have yet to see a "paper trail wide enough to roller skate on to show where [gunnery nurse'] assertions are true." No problem. Gunnery nurse, when confronted with the truth and evidence, will, like the fictional Col. Jessup, will simply state someone is a "liar" and then call them all sorts of nasty names to show how "wrong" they are. :-) No one except everyone who knows enough about the current affairs of the various MARS programs and thier dependence upon the Amateur Radio service to make it work and sustain it. If its so obvious to "everyone," then anyone should be able to post the citation. But they aren't. The "citations" gunnery nurse claims are constructs within his own little minds. MARS exists because of a DoD Directive and that should be that. Of course, it isn't that, but that doesn't stop the gunnery nurse from his virulent outrage. Gunnery nurse felt "wronged" by statements of disagreement. Such seems to be a cause for verbal warfare. Best of Luck. None needed...You make it too easy...Again. Easy? I see no citation. Best of Luck. I've given the appropriate directive and regulations. Anyone can find them on the Internet. Gunnery nurse doesn't know them, therefore "they don't exist." :-) 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 , 33333333333333333333 LHA / WMD |
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