Alun wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in news:409ABB0C.C1D993E8
@earthlink.net:

Alun wrote:

I'll grant that 5wpm is relatively easy, but still a lot of work

There's a gaping contradiction buried in there some place.

Not atall. Something doesn't have to be hard to take a long time to do.

Now you've added an additional element. We've gone from "easy" to "a
lot of work" to "long time to do". Something "easy" wouldn't seem to
require either a lot of work or a long time to do.

I have little sympathy for anyone who would claim that learning morse at
a speed of five words per minute is a lot of work or that it requires a
long time to learn.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

I have little sympathy for anyone who would claim that learning morse at
a speed of five words per minute is a lot of work or that it requires a
long time to learn.

Dave K8MN

Your sympathy was not solicited, and it or the lack of it doesn't
change the fact that for many, learning code at 5wpm is difficult and
takes a long time to learn. The real pity are all of the 20WPM
Code-Tape Extras that have never used code.

(William) wrote in
om:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

I have little sympathy for anyone who would claim that learning morse
at a speed of five words per minute is a lot of work or that it
requires a long time to learn.

Dave K8MN

Your sympathy was not solicited, and it or the lack of it doesn't
change the fact that for many, learning code at 5wpm is difficult and
takes a long time to learn. The real pity are all of the 20WPM
Code-Tape Extras that have never used code.


That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a good
method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What was the
point of me learning 20wpm?

Subject: Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
From: Alun
Date: 5/8/2004 9:30 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a good
method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What was the
point of me learning 20wpm?

Uhhhhhhhhhh....passing Element 1C...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in
:

Subject: Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
From: Alun
Date: 5/8/2004 9:30 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a
good method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What
was the point of me learning 20wpm?

Uhhhhhhhhhh....passing Element 1C...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ











So let me rephrase that. Why should I have had to pass 1C to get the bottom
ends of the phone subbands? Actually, that's where the DX used to be, but
it seems to have moved up to avoid the 'hernia nets' that now seem to
occupy that spectrum.

Subject: Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
From: Alun
Date: 5/8/2004 10:21 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in
:

Subject: Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
From: Alun
Date: 5/8/2004 9:30 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a
good method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What
was the point of me learning 20wpm?

Uhhhhhhhhhh....passing Element 1C...?!?!

So let me rephrase that. Why should I have had to pass 1C to get the bottom
ends of the phone subbands? Actually, that's where the DX used to be, but
it seems to have moved up to avoid the 'hernia nets' that now seem to
occupy that spectrum.

Because at the time that was what was required to pass the level of
licensure you sought.

Obviously you WANTED that level of licensure because you did what you had
to do and got over it. The benefits outweighed the effort to obtain them.

How many people "want" to be doctors, airline pilots, bankers, etc, but
never get there because of the amount of education or training it takes to get
there?

Yes, some are hindered by financial or other "real world" hurdles, but
then too there are hundreds of stories of people who worked two-three
jobs...weathered divorces...single parenthood...etc and overcame those hurdles
to get what they wanted.

It's all a matter of what you want as opposed to what you're willing to do
to get it.

As for the "hernia nets", they aren't a factor for me...I don't find folks
who are predisposed to discussing thier gastrointestinal dysfunctions below the
phone subbands.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"Alun" wrote in message
...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in
:

Subject: Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
From: Alun
Date: 5/8/2004 9:30 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a
good method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What
was the point of me learning 20wpm?

Uhhhhhhhhhh....passing Element 1C...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ











So let me rephrase that. Why should I have had to pass 1C to get the
bottom
ends of the phone subbands? Actually, that's where the DX used to be, but
it seems to have moved up to avoid the 'hernia nets' that now seem to
occupy that spectrum.

Among other things getting the Extra will allow you to work the DX where you
hear it. Assuming of course they are in the US phone bands. CW don't have
that problem. Because the DX hangs low, and everyone in the world can work
it.

Dan/W4NTI

Alun wrote in message . ..
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in
:

Subject: Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
From: Alun
Date: 5/8/2004 9:30 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a
good method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What
was the point of me learning 20wpm?

Uhhhhhhhhhh....passing Element 1C...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


So let me rephrase that. Why should I have had to pass 1C to get the bottom
ends of the phone subbands?

Because that's what Steve and Jim had to do.

Alun wrote:

(William) wrote in
om:


Dave Heil wrote in message
...


I have little sympathy for anyone who would claim that learning morse
at a speed of five words per minute is a lot of work or that it
requires a long time to learn.

Dave K8MN

Your sympathy was not solicited, and it or the lack of it doesn't
change the fact that for many, learning code at 5wpm is difficult and
takes a long time to learn. The real pity are all of the 20WPM
Code-Tape Extras that have never used code.



That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a good
method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What was the
point of me learning 20wpm?

What is the point of learning anything that you don't want to learn?.
Why should people learn to spell now that we have spell checking?

Since 90 percent of my time on the air is PSK31 why did I have to learn
about anything else?

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Alun wrote:

(William) wrote in
om:


Dave Heil wrote in message
...


I have little sympathy for anyone who would claim that learning morse
at a speed of five words per minute is a lot of work or that it
requires a long time to learn.

Dave K8MN

Your sympathy was not solicited, and it or the lack of it doesn't
change the fact that for many, learning code at 5wpm is difficult and
takes a long time to learn. The real pity are all of the 20WPM
Code-Tape Extras that have never used code.



That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a
good
method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What was the
point of me learning 20wpm?

What is the point of learning anything that you don't want to learn?.
Why should people learn to spell now that we have spell checking?

Since 90 percent of my time on the air is PSK31 why did I have to learn
about anything else?

- Mike KB3EIA -


How about the good feeling of knowing something that the vast majority of
humanity doesn't?

Dan/W4NTI