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Old May 8th 04, 08:53 PM
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Alun wrote:

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Alun wrote in message
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(Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord ) wrote in
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I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I
feel it should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the
HF bands.

Do I feel that Amateur Radio be made a free for all? No, it should
not. There should be a test, but not a really hard test, but not a
easy one either.

I'll even admit, I'll never get a new Icom 7800, at $10,000.00 -
I'll be lucky to maybe get a used 706 at about 400 or 500 or so.


Lloyd Davies - Time Lord and Talk show host
"On the Domestic Front"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/domesticfront/


The ITU requirement for a code test was dropped on July 5th, 2003, so
evidently a majority around the world agree with you.


A majority of the world's governments that bothered to attend and vote
on the issue.

And all they did was change the rules so each country can decide for
itself what is required - just like the written test.

Although a suggested standard for written tests was added at the same
WRC, it's really more of a suggestion than anything else. Countries
can have wide-ranging interpretations of what's "needed". For example,
do you think ol' JY1 and his family had to sit for written and code
exams that were equivalent to what US or UK hams had to pass for the
same privileges? Or do you think the US writtens compare with, say,
those in the UK?

If I'm not mistaken, getting a license in some countries *requires*
successful completion of an approved training course. (I know the
"Foundation" license has this requirement). Doesn't matter if someone
is a Ph.D. in EE, they have to attend and pass the ham radio classes
to get the license - even though such courses are not part of any
treaty and not required in many other countries.



Actually, they only have to do the practical assesments, it's not necessary
to attend the course.


Imagine the reaction here in the USA if the code test were dropped
*and* getting a license required attendance at an approved ham radio
training course. Not a "one day wonder" course such as was recently
the subject of an article on the ARRL website ("Is Your License Class
Efficient" or some such title), but rather a multisession course with
quizzes and a final test that were not from a published pool.

Point is, just because it's not in the treaty anymore doesn't mean all
countries will or should drop it.


I think the FCC will drop it, but they move at a snail's pace.


They're busy with other things. And perhaps they don't see what all
the fuss is about. After all, we're talking about a 5 wpm code test
that can be passed in a number of ways, with all sorts of adaptations
and accomodations (tone, volume, headphones, typewriter, flashing
light, Farnsworth, etc.) Add to this the fact that today there are
training aids undreamed of in the past - most of them free or quite
inexpensive.



I doubt if they even think about any of that


I didn't think it would survive
for as long as a year after it was no longer needed, but it's only
nine months so far, so I could still be right.


I think you meant 'no longer required by treaty'. Whether something is
needed as a license requirement is purely a matter of opinion.



I meant both, since I agree with the FCC that it was only needed because of
the treaty


It's been ten months and two days since WRC-2003 ended, and given
FCC's method of handling the issue it may well be another ten months
before we even get to the NPRM stage.



That may be, although I still think it will be earlier than that. How do we
stand with the pool, BTW?


Most of all, note that the 2000 restructuring did not result in lots
of new hams, even though the requirements for all classes of license
were lowered and the whole structure simplified.

73 de Jim, N2EY



I think abolishing the code test will remove a block in the system, but
won't have much effect unless we actively do something to recruit new hams.
I don't really see much of that happening right now.


I guess the question is "What are YOU doing to recruit more hams",
Alun? The torch is being passed, and it is being passed to those that
"won" the code/no code debate.

I'm pretty new as a Ham, I try to recruit whenever possible, and will
welcome new hams regardless of their education. Some people might feel
otherwise at this point, having the wind knocked out of their sails, so
to speak.

You guys won. You have the ball now. Using the NCI's polled membership
as an example, you now want to make all Technicians Generals, and
advanced, Extra's. A drastic reduction in entrance requirements seems to
be the rationale du jour for the brave new Amateur Radio Service.

Really it's your ball and your game now. Godspeed!

- Mike KB3EIA -

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Old May 8th 04, 08:58 PM
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Alun wrote:

I have short legs



I'm getting this image of Hank Hill's father.......



- Mike KB3EIA -

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Old May 8th 04, 10:41 PM
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"William" wrote in message
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Do you know what the prefix for Canada is?


Gee, Duhhhhhhhhhh, let the think.......Uh......maybe it's a VE or a VA
or some other strange letters depending what part of a seal arse you are
celebrating that month. Sound right?

And yes I do know that Canada is allowed to operate in what the US calls the
'CW Segements'. And that has what to do with what I said?

Dan/W4NTI



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"Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord " wrote in message
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It is already headed that way. Ummmm K1MAN? 14.313? 75 meters?


Yes man I know that, but does'nt that blow a hole for those folks who code

to
stay as a filter?

Hows that? Most of the people doing that stupitidy are multiple guess
receive only cw test takers. In other words, they can't do it either.

Dan/W4NTI


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Old May 8th 04, 11:07 PM
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"Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord " wrote in message
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Anyway Llllllloooooooyyyyyyyydddddd no one gives a crap what you think.


Hey Dan, nice to see we are still freinds. LOL.

Seriously, I have left you alone. Why can't you just let me post my

opinions?
I made no personal attack on you with this post. Just for that, expect

to see
more and more of me in this newsgroup.

Bye bye -


I guess its just that I think your a puke. Nice hearing from you again.

Bye Bye

Dan/W4NTI


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Old May 9th 04, 12:38 AM
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Alun wrote:


(William) wrote in
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Dave Heil wrote in message
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I have little sympathy for anyone who would claim that learning morse
at a speed of five words per minute is a lot of work or that it
requires a long time to learn.

Dave K8MN

Your sympathy was not solicited, and it or the lack of it doesn't
change the fact that for many, learning code at 5wpm is difficult and
takes a long time to learn. The real pity are all of the 20WPM
Code-Tape Extras that have never used code.



That would be me. Not just tapes, in fact I didn't find tapes to be a


good

method of learning, but I've never attached a key to a rig. What was the
point of me learning 20wpm?


What is the point of learning anything that you don't want to learn?.
Why should people learn to spell now that we have spell checking?

Since 90 percent of my time on the air is PSK31 why did I have to learn
about anything else?

- Mike KB3EIA -



How about the good feeling of knowing something that the vast majority of
humanity doesn't?


Never though of that, but yeah, that works for me!

- Mike KB3EIA

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