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Subject: News from France
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 5/9/2004 8:38 AM Central Standard Time
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Alun wrote:

I always used to meet people who told me they would get a licence
but for the code test. I think we could have had them in the hobby
if we had abolished code testing 20 years ago, but I think it is
too late and we have blown it. Nobody is clamouring to becme a ham
anymore.

WE haven't "blown" anything..."They" have had the opportunity
to get a
code-free license for what...12-13 years now..?!?!


Nope, we needed to give them HF while they were still interested.

Why is that Alun? Do you think that getting out a decent signal on HF
is a piece of cake?

Daily I hear the newguys trying to contact someone. Getting sorry
pathetic signal reports and going away in frustration.

Wonder how many new HFers we lose like that? You know the ones that
believe its soooooo easy to get up on HF? Probably hundreds per week.

I do the best I can when I hear someone like that. But it gets really
old when you trying to have a conversation with a bud, to talk to all
the S2 signals.

Perhaps 'giving' out HF is NOT the answer as you think.

Dan/W4NTI






And knowing CW is going to enhance their knowledge of how to set up and HF
station? I think not.

"Alun" wrote in message
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Subject: News from France
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 5/9/2004 8:38 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Alun wrote:

I always used to meet people who told me they would get a licence
but for the code test. I think we could have had them in the hobby
if we had abolished code testing 20 years ago, but I think it is
too late and we have blown it. Nobody is clamouring to becme a ham
anymore.

WE haven't "blown" anything..."They" have had the opportunity
to get a
code-free license for what...12-13 years now..?!?!


Nope, we needed to give them HF while they were still interested.

Why is that Alun? Do you think that getting out a decent signal on HF
is a piece of cake?

Daily I hear the newguys trying to contact someone. Getting sorry
pathetic signal reports and going away in frustration.

Wonder how many new HFers we lose like that? You know the ones that
believe its soooooo easy to get up on HF? Probably hundreds per week.

I do the best I can when I hear someone like that. But it gets really
old when you trying to have a conversation with a bud, to talk to all
the S2 signals.

Perhaps 'giving' out HF is NOT the answer as you think.

Dan/W4NTI






And knowing CW is going to enhance their knowledge of how to set up and HF
station? I think not.

That response does not surprise me a bit Alun. Based on the fact that you
do not know CW. How could you be expected to understand how much easier it
is to operate a simple CW station, that it is a phone one.

Dan/W4NTI

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"Alun" wrote in message
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Subject: News from France
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 5/9/2004 8:38 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Alun wrote:

I always used to meet people who told me they would get a
licence but for the code test. I think we could have had them
in the hobby if we had abolished code testing 20 years ago, but
I think it is too late and we have blown it. Nobody is
clamouring to becme a ham anymore.

WE haven't "blown" anything..."They" have had the
opportunity to get a
code-free license for what...12-13 years now..?!?!


Nope, we needed to give them HF while they were still interested.

Why is that Alun? Do you think that getting out a decent signal on
HF is a piece of cake?

Daily I hear the newguys trying to contact someone. Getting sorry
pathetic signal reports and going away in frustration.

Wonder how many new HFers we lose like that? You know the ones that
believe its soooooo easy to get up on HF? Probably hundreds per
week.

I do the best I can when I hear someone like that. But it gets
really old when you trying to have a conversation with a bud, to
talk to all the S2 signals.

Perhaps 'giving' out HF is NOT the answer as you think.

Dan/W4NTI






And knowing CW is going to enhance their knowledge of how to set up
and HF station? I think not.

That response does not surprise me a bit Alun. Based on the fact that
you do not know CW. How could you be expected to understand how much
easier it is to operate a simple CW station, that it is a phone one.

Dan/W4NTI




Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

"Alun" wrote in message
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Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

And how am I to do that Alun? You have not seen fit to provide a callsign.
And I am not going to play detective.

Dan/W4NTI

On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:09:29 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
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"Alun" wrote in message
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Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

And how am I to do that Alun? You have not seen fit to provide a callsign.
And I am not going to play detective.

Let me help out with that....it's in many of Alun's posts:

N3KIP - Extra class. Issued March 10, 2004. (is that the original
date, or a renewal?)

Or G0VUK, in the UK.


Dan/W4NTI


73, Leo

Leo wrote in
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:09:29 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Alun" wrote in message
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Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

And how am I to do that Alun? You have not seen fit to provide a
callsign. And I am not going to play detective.

Let me help out with that....it's in many of Alun's posts:

N3KIP - Extra class. Issued March 10, 2004. (is that the original
date, or a renewal?)

Or G0VUK, in the UK.


Dan/W4NTI


73, Leo


Renewal, following an address correction in 1994.

"Leo" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:09:29 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Alun" wrote in message
.. .

Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

And how am I to do that Alun? You have not seen fit to provide a
callsign.
And I am not going to play detective.

Let me help out with that....it's in many of Alun's posts:

N3KIP - Extra class. Issued March 10, 2004. (is that the original
date, or a renewal?)

Or G0VUK, in the UK.


Dan/W4NTI


73, Leo

Thanks Leo....

My comments stand. He knows nothing about CW operation. If anyone doubts
that, go to his QRZ biography and read the following ;
"100 percent phone operator".

And with a N call 1x3 that means he got his ''Extra" the easy way. Recently
no doubt. Guess even a hundred percent phone operator is capable of passing
the multiple guess 5wpm test for Extra...what a joke. I rest my case.

Dan/W4NTI

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"Leo" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:09:29 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
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"Alun" wrote in message
.. .

Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

And how am I to do that Alun? You have not seen fit to provide a
callsign.
And I am not going to play detective.

Let me help out with that....it's in many of Alun's posts:

N3KIP - Extra class. Issued March 10, 2004. (is that the original
date, or a renewal?)

Or G0VUK, in the UK.


Dan/W4NTI


73, Leo

Thanks Leo....

My comments stand. He knows nothing about CW operation. If anyone doubts
that, go to his QRZ biography and read the following ;
"100 percent phone operator".

And with a N call 1x3 that means he got his ''Extra" the easy way.
Recently
no doubt. Guess even a hundred percent phone operator is capable of
passing
the multiple guess 5wpm test for Extra...what a joke. I rest my case.

Dan/W4NTI



No an N call 1x3 does not mean that he is necessarily a recent Extra. I
pass my Tech with code in May of 1992 and received my original call sign
(N8UZE) at that time, which I have kept. In late 1992, I passed my Extra,
including 20wpm, and received my Extra class license in early 1993.

The sequentially assigned 1x3 calls beginning with N ran out in the early to
mid 1990s, the exact date being dependent on the call area.

One cannot leap to conclusions based on call sign.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

And how am I to do that Alun? You have not seen fit to provide a
callsign. And I am not going to play detective.

Dan/W4NTI




I've posted my call from time to time. It's N3KIP. I was issued a no-code
UK licence in 1980 (callsign G8VUK, and you will find I've posted that
too), a US one in 1992, and then an Advanced and an Extra by 1993, which
was multiple guess 20wpm. I suppose it depends what you mean by knowing CW?
Certainly I don't know it at 35wpm and neither do I have any practical
experience of it, but the entire point is that I didn't _want_ to learn it
or use it.

"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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Look up what class of licence I have and when it was issued

And how am I to do that Alun? You have not seen fit to provide a
callsign. And I am not going to play detective.

Dan/W4NTI




I've posted my call from time to time. It's N3KIP. I was issued a no-code
UK licence in 1980 (callsign G8VUK, and you will find I've posted that
too), a US one in 1992, and then an Advanced and an Extra by 1993, which
was multiple guess 20wpm. I suppose it depends what you mean by knowing
CW?
Certainly I don't know it at 35wpm and neither do I have any practical
experience of it, but the entire point is that I didn't _want_ to learn it
or use it.

Sorry Alun....hadn't gotten this far down the list before I sent my latest
to you.

I'll correct things a bit. You didn't earn a extra with that test either.
It was just a bit less of a give away then the 5wpm joke now.

You still know nothing about cw.

Why do you continue to argue the point? It is obvious I am right.

Dan/W4NTI