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(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Mike, my comment was meant to be that the MARS program is the very
essence
of what being an Amateur is all about,

"The Amateur's Code" says nothing about MARS.

"The Amateur's Code" also says that amateurs "owe their
allegiance to the ARRL" which is a bunch of propaganda
to self-elevate ARRL.

Department of Defense says what MARS is.

Amateur it is not. MARS is a military radio service.

and my later statements further exemplfy
that one cannot be a part of MARS without Amateur Radio.

There are numerous examples of how your statement is false.

Why do I always have to go back to the beginning with you???

Probably because he never STARTED at the beginning. :-)

MARS began officially in 1948 (renamed from the original
AARS started in 1925). Nursie wasn't born yet in 1948,
therefore he not "in" it from the beginning...except in the
alternate reality his mind inhabits. :-)

On the other hand, he might have a "green card" obtained
as a Man From Mars, infiltrating us earthbeings and
causing dissention so that Forces From Mars can
conquer Earth. That may take "seven hostile actions."
[it all comes together...? :-) ]

LHA / WMD

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(William) writes:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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William wrote:

Using logic, where "IS" means "EQUAL TO," MARS is not
equal to, or the same as Amateur Radio. The statement is false.

Yoiks! Brian. We're not going to be defining "is" now are we? 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

It turns out it is necessary to define "is" as it does NOT always mean
"equal to".

However, it meant EQUAL TO in Steve's use of the word.

As noted in the post I just sent, one can say "Marigolds are
flowers", which is a true statement but you cannot turn it around and say
"Flowers are marigolds" as this latter isn't always true.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Welp, if we were to use a subject a little closer to the task at hand, and
say,

"MARS Ops ARE Amateur Ops" it would be false, and if we were to say,

"Amateur Ops ARE MARS Ops" it would again be false.

Careful, Brian, Dee might send you a bouquet of marigolds.

Nursie can't reply with bouquets, only brickbats. :-)

[well, he IS bats and the thinking is on the order of brickwork...]

LHA / WMD

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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I would imagine that already being a Ham might help you get that job,
but there are no doubt plenty of trained operators in the service that
aren't Hams, and some of them are the connection points for the Hams.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Correct Mike. As an example....when I was chop (Chief operator) at the ARMY
MARS Station AE1AYY in Frankfurt Germany I had several assigned operators.
None had a license but me. But....to be NCOIC (Sergeant in charge) or CHOP
I would not have HAD TO have a license. As long as there was someone in
the unit that had the callsign with the German authorities and we had Army
authorization as a MARS station. I am sure these rules would vary depending
on the country however. But the above would be basically the same I am
sure.

Dan/W4NTI

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(William) writes:

(William) wrote in message
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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It's the only way he can express an assertion of validity to his
arguments
otherwise.

huh?

I hope you were wearing your Medi-lert bracelet when you typed that.

I don't think the clasp was fully fastened... :-)

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Well of course Steve. You can't get a MARS station license stateside
without having a ham radio ticket. That is obvious.

Dan/W4NTI

Not quite true. Novices have "ham radio tickets."

Perhaps still today, but it used to be allowed to get into MARS with a
Novice ticket. That was a long time ago, when a Novice ticket really had
to be earned.

Oh yeh, it was uphill both ways in the snow with a piece of cardboard
in my shoe. I remember. Pffft.

Of course now-a-days there is no Novice ticket. And those that still have
one are of no importance to worry about in the scheme of things.

So 31,545 amateur radio operators are of no consequence? I thought
that only the ARRL could be so cavalier about such a large block of
amateurs.

Dan/W4NTI

bb

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Well of course Steve. You can't get a MARS station license
stateside
without having a ham radio ticket. That is obvious.

Dan/W4NTI

Not quite true. Novices have "ham radio tickets."

Perhaps still today, but it used to be allowed to get into MARS with a
Novice ticket. That was a long time ago, when a Novice ticket really
had
to be earned.

Oh yeh, it was uphill both ways in the snow with a piece of cardboard
in my shoe. I remember. Pffft.

Of course now-a-days there is no Novice ticket. And those that still
have
one are of no importance to worry about in the scheme of things.

So 31,545 amateur radio operators are of no consequence? I thought
that only the ARRL could be so cavalier about such a large block of
amateurs.

Dan/W4NTI

bb

Thats right, no consequence and of no value. Just ask the FCC. There is
no longer a Novice, and soon will be no 'exclusive sub bands'. See what I
mean ?

Dan/W4NTI

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Well of course Steve. You can't get a MARS station license
stateside
without having a ham radio ticket. That is obvious.

Dan/W4NTI

Not quite true. Novices have "ham radio tickets."

Perhaps still today, but it used to be allowed to get into MARS with a
Novice ticket. That was a long time ago, when a Novice ticket really
had
to be earned.

Oh yeh, it was uphill both ways in the snow with a piece of cardboard
in my shoe. I remember. Pffft.

Of course now-a-days there is no Novice ticket. And those that still
have
one are of no importance to worry about in the scheme of things.

So 31,545 amateur radio operators are of no consequence? I thought
that only the ARRL could be so cavalier about such a large block of
amateurs.

Dan/W4NTI

bb

Thats right, no consequence and of no value. Just ask the FCC. There is
no longer a Novice,

Jim/N2EY says there are 31,545 novices.

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Well of course Steve. You can't get a MARS station license
stateside
without having a ham radio ticket. That is obvious.

Dan/W4NTI

Not quite true. Novices have "ham radio tickets."

Perhaps still today, but it used to be allowed to get into MARS with
a
Novice ticket. That was a long time ago, when a Novice ticket
really
had
to be earned.

Oh yeh, it was uphill both ways in the snow with a piece of cardboard
in my shoe. I remember. Pffft.

Of course now-a-days there is no Novice ticket. And those that
still
have
one are of no importance to worry about in the scheme of things.

So 31,545 amateur radio operators are of no consequence? I thought
that only the ARRL could be so cavalier about such a large block of
amateurs.

Dan/W4NTI

bb

Thats right, no consequence and of no value. Just ask the FCC. There
is
no longer a Novice,

Jim/N2EY says there are 31,545 novices.

None of which matter, according to the FCC. There will be no more Novice
issued. And when the present holder dies, its over. Unless they 'upgrade'
of course.

Course you know that.

Dan/W4NTI