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Len Over 21 June 9th 04 05:36 AM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/8/2004 6:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Welp, its nice to see that at least somewhere on r.r.a... that people
can seperate their disagreements from their hatreds. But several
years ago, it really didn't look that way.


Now if we could get YOU to seperate your fantasies from what really
happened....


So, was there a lot of gunfire and gore in all your "hostile actions?"

Was J.Lo any good at begging? How was she?

Did nursie sign into the RRAPnet at 9 PM eastern? No? Got your
code key hand battered doing all that "public service work?"

Did you "tune your frequency so carefully that you 'deserve' that
extra class"? Missed them, ey? Too bad.

No problem. You've got all those "credentials" and "awards" and
your full "honorable" service record to fall back on...

Still off the meds, huh? Not good.

LHA / WMD

William June 9th 04 06:50 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/8/2004 6:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Now show us your logs on working Rob Vincent in RI on one of
the URI micro-antennas.

Remember...No proof = Doesn't exist.



Steve. What a "losser." I'll "crap" my hands when he stops posting


Is that as opposed as to posting your crap with your hands, Brain...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, if you don't like me giving you crap, stop posting such stupid
things as, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

William June 9th 04 06:54 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/8/2004 6:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Welp, its nice to see that at least somewhere on r.r.a... that people
can seperate their disagreements from their hatreds. But several
years ago, it really didn't look that way.


Now if we could get YOU to seperate your fantasies from what really
happened....

Steve, K4YZ


I lived it, and you didn't. Got the medal.

William June 9th 04 06:54 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/8/2004 6:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Now show us your logs on working Rob Vincent in RI on one of
the URI micro-antennas.

Remember...No proof = Doesn't exist.



Steve. What a "losser." I'll "crap" my hands when he stops posting


Is that as opposed as to posting your crap with your hands, Brain...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, if you don't like me giving you crap, stop posting such stupid
things as, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

Steve Robeson K4CAP June 10th 04 02:43 AM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve, if you don't like me giving you crap, stop posting such stupid
things as, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."


I haven't stated that in weeks, Brain. You have, however... Dozens of
times.

You've repeated it over and over despite the fact that I acknowledged it
was poorly worded, and have explained my intent.

That you won't acknowledge that and move on is evidence that this is ALL
you have to try and deflect attention from your every expanding list of NG faux
pax.

It's apparent that this is ALL you have to "argue" about, Brain.

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP June 10th 04 02:53 AM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/8/2004 6:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Welp, its nice to see that at least somewhere on r.r.a... that people
can seperate their disagreements from their hatreds. But several
years ago, it really didn't look that way.


Now if we could get YOU to seperate your fantasies from what really
happened....

Steve, K4YZ


I lived it, and you didn't. Got the medal.


Congratulations. You were in-theater. That still does NOT prove ANY
authorized Amateur operation from T5 occured.

I could "claim" operation from TA, 9K, HZ, DU, HR, VP2, VE, SU and several
other places if the criteria was just having set foot on thier territorial
grounds at least once.

No Proof = Didn't happen.

Steve, K4YZ






Brian Kelly June 10th 04 03:47 AM

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

It's another "crossed fields antenna" type heap of nonsense which
defies both Physics 101 and common sense.

Maybe - or maybe not.

Fact is that without more info we're not in a position to judge the
thing one way or another. Maybe it's a breakthrough, maybe it's one of
things that is great in theory but totally impractical, or maybe it's
a dud. Without more info, any judgement is just raw speculation. And
since a patent application is involved we're not going to see much
real data for a while anyway.

One point to watch for, though: What matters in practical antennas is
the performance of the entire antenna system, not just the antenna
itself. For example, a short (in terms of wavelength) whip antenna can
be quite efficient - it's the matching network and ground system
losses that reduce antenna system efficiency, and bandwidth, to low
numbers.

Physics is physics is physics and we all know the implications of
short antennas *and* we've read the similar hype which surrounded the
farcical CFA and EH antennas to name just a couple of this thing's
predecessors. I'll stick with my "snap judgement", the thing is guilty
until proven innocent.

Maybe. Or maybe it's for-real.

Without detailed info it's all academic anyway.

But I remember a time when it was said that "physics" would not permit
microprocessors faster than about 25 MHz. Nor with more than a few thousand
transistors. Etc.


Had nothing to do with "physics", had to do with musings posted by a
few gloms who were clueless about how rapidly developed chip
manufacturing technologies could leap past the limits of their own
imaginations. Hoof. Mouf. Classic.


Holy Cow! PCTA refer to backward thinking people as "gloms."

From this point forward, I must refer to PCTA as "CW Gloms."

There was also a very learned "professional in radio" who, when informed of the
intent of the 1921 ARRL Transatlantic Tests, proclaimed that it was physically
impossible for a kilowatt input 200 meter transmitter to be heard at that
distance. Waves were just too short, doncha know. Physics wouldn't allow it.


This is not 1921.


As Len Anderson has pointed out repeatedly. But you didn't need him
to point that out. You could see it published on the front page of
any daily newspaper. Even the ARRL puts it on the front cover of QST,
just prior to launching another edition of memory lane.

83 years later the physics of antennas has been
milked to the extent that the probability of anybody inventing an
antenna which does not utilize long-applied physics lies somewhere
'way out the asymptote of the curve.


Are you sure it's not back at the inflection point?

Per previous I'll stick.


Ditto my opinion of the CW Gloms (previously known as PCTA).


http://www.opengroup.com/hubooks/089/0898048044.shtml

Cheers.

Steve Robeson K4CAP June 10th 04 04:30 AM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (Brian Kelly)
Date: 6/9/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



http://www.opengroup.com/hubooks/089/0898048044.shtml

Dang near choked to death laughing, Brian! WTG! I am half tempted to just
splurge and get a copy mailed to You-Know-Who and his trusty sidekick,
PuppetBoy!

73

Steve, K4YZ






N2EY June 10th 04 01:17 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

I could "claim" operation from TA, 9K, HZ, DU, HR, VP2, VE, SU and several
other places if the criteria was just having set foot on thier territorial
grounds at least once.

What if the criteria were "set foot on their territorial grounds *and*
made at least one QSO on a ham band"?

Note that the criteria doesn't specify *which* ham band, mode,
distance, rig, antenna, etc. Nor does it specify accordance with any
regulations, agreements or nongovernment criteria. Just "I was there,
and I made at least one ham band QSO"

Wouldn't that count as "operation"?

A logbook with only one entry is still a logbook, isn't it?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Brian Kelly June 10th 04 01:46 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(Brian Kelly)
Date: 6/9/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



http://www.opengroup.com/hubooks/089/0898048044.shtml

Dang near choked to death laughing, Brian! WTG! I am half tempted to just
splurge and get a copy mailed to You-Know-Who and his trusty sidekick,
PuppetBoy!


I think it was Hans who used it here originally some time ago. I knew
the Putzlet would eventually provide me an appropriate opportunity to
turn it loose on him so I bookmarked it. He did so I did.



73

Steve, K4YZ


w3rv

William June 10th 04 03:13 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/8/2004 6:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Welp, its nice to see that at least somewhere on r.r.a... that people
can seperate their disagreements from their hatreds. But several
years ago, it really didn't look that way.

Now if we could get YOU to seperate your fantasies from what really
happened....

Steve, K4YZ


I lived it, and you didn't. Got the medal.


Congratulations. You were in-theater. That still does NOT prove ANY
authorized Amateur operation from T5 occured.


I owe you no proof.

I could "claim" operation from TA, 9K, HZ, DU, HR, VP2, VE, SU and several
other places


What other places?

if the criteria was just having set foot on thier territorial
grounds at least once.


Setting foot on "thier" territorial grounds doesn't make for hostile
actions either.

No Proof = Didn't happen.


Liar Steve, you could even show us some of those medals that you have,
but didn't earn. Walter Mittyism at its very finest. Get help.

William June 10th 04 03:16 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve, if you don't like me giving you crap, stop posting such stupid
things as, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."


I haven't stated that in weeks, Brain. You have, however... Dozens of
times.

You've repeated it over and over despite the fact that I acknowledged it
was poorly worded, and have explained my intent.


Flat out wrong, not poorly worded.

That you won't acknowledge that and move on is evidence that this is ALL
you have to try and deflect attention from your every expanding list of NG faux
pax.

It's apparent that this is ALL you have to "argue" about, Brain.

Sucks to be you, Brain.


You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.

"Sorry Hans...."

Hi, hi.

Len Over 21 June 11th 04 02:06 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve, if you don't like me giving you crap, stop posting such stupid
things as, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."


I haven't stated that in weeks, Brain. You have, however... Dozens of
times.

You've repeated it over and over despite the fact that I acknowledged

it
was poorly worded, and have explained my intent.


Flat out wrong, not poorly worded.


Nursie did NOT "explain his intent" in the beginning.

Nursie backpedalled AFTER the proper documents were
identified and locations given to him after three weeks of
stating "MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie's "intent explanation" was ALSO poorly worded.

Nursie will never ever admit he do wrong.

That you won't acknowledge that and move on is evidence that this is

ALL
you have to try and deflect attention from your every expanding list of NG

faux
pax.


"MARS is amateur radio" statement is not a faux pas?

Nursie never once in three weeks of arguments identified or located
the documents which define and detail the Military Affiliate Radio
System. It took two others only a short search to find them on the
Internet and post that here.

Nursie has never once acknowledged that MARS is a MILITARY
radio system, not even when the predecessor, AARS, was
shown to be the Army Amateur Radio System. [he must not
think the U.S. Army is a military branch...a bad case of murine
brainwashing]

It's apparent that this is ALL you have to "argue" about, Brain.

Sucks to be you, Brain.


You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.

"Sorry Hans...."

Hi, hi.


Brian, one might as well give up trying to make a chunk of igneous
rock understand anything, much less agree to have made a wrong
statement any time in his alleged life. [rock as a sentient life form
has only been portrayed as "life" on science-fiction shows...]

If nursie say MARS is amateur radio, then that is all he (or she)
understands as "correct." It is nothing else. That's why there isn't
any definition or regulations on MARS in Part 97.

shrug Decomposed granite cannot be argued with... :-)

LHA / WMD



Len Over 21 June 11th 04 02:06 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/8/2004 6:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Welp, its nice to see that at least somewhere on r.r.a... that people
can seperate their disagreements from their hatreds. But several
years ago, it really didn't look that way.

Now if we could get YOU to seperate your fantasies from what really
happened....

Steve, K4YZ

I lived it, and you didn't. Got the medal.


Congratulations. You were in-theater. That still does NOT prove ANY
authorized Amateur operation from T5 occured.


I owe you no proof.


Nursie say all who disagree with him MUST show "proof."

Nursie ignores such proof and say disagreer is a "liar."

Nursie define all that is "right" in his fantasyland domain.

I could "claim" operation from TA, 9K, HZ, DU, HR, VP2, VE, SU and

several
other places


What other places?


Fantasy places. "At the signpost up ahead, the Twilight
Zone..."

if the criteria was just having set foot on thier territorial
grounds at least once.


Setting foot on "thier" territorial grounds doesn't make for hostile
actions either.


Nursie "sets foot" on territorial grounds LOOKING for hostile
action! [sort of like he does in here... :-) ]

No Proof = Didn't happen.


Liar Steve, you could even show us some of those medals that you have,
but didn't earn. Walter Mittyism at its very finest. Get help.


It's quite easy to scan a photo (nursie wearing some kind of
uniform...SOP for that) and send it as an attachment in
e-mail. Nursie no do dat.

Medals can be identified by their general shape and color of
the ribbon if the photo quality is poor.

However, that doesn't explain his not understanding the DoD
Directive 4650.2 (21 Nov 03) which defines MARS. [MARS is a
military radio service] Therefore nursie be making up own
medals and calling them true...

Another prime example of modern U.S. amateur radio
operators for others to follow and learn from...?

LHA / WMD

Steve Robeson K4CAP June 12th 04 08:20 AM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (William)
Date: 6/10/2004 9:13 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


I could "claim" operation from TA, 9K, HZ, DU, HR, VP2, VE, SU and

several
other places


What other places?


Noe of your business. You aren't in any of THOSE logs, Brain.

if the criteria was just having set foot on thier territorial
grounds at least once.


Setting foot on "thier" territorial grounds doesn't make for hostile
actions either.


Did I say it did? I just said I was there.

No Proof = Didn't happen.


Liar Steve, you could even show us some of those medals that you have,
but didn't earn. Walter Mittyism at its very finest. Get help.


Ahhhhhh...I see....In Brain's book, it's "Walter Mittyism" to collect
anything.

Uh huh.

At least the medals I didn't earn ARE in a box and were clearly reported
as such. SOME people in this forum have a habit of reporting that they did
things and went places that they have no proof for.

THOSE people are the liars.

Steve, K4YZ








Steve Robeson K4CAP June 12th 04 08:25 AM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (William)
Date: 6/10/2004 9:16 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.


People who are trying to berate others over thier choice of words should
take a couple of seconds to proof read what they write BEFORE they send it,
Brain.

What a PUTZ!

Brian, you're an idiot. It really is THAT simple.

But hey, THANKS for making my job that much easier!

Steve, K4YZ






William June 12th 04 11:59 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve, if you don't like me giving you crap, stop posting such stupid
things as, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

I haven't stated that in weeks, Brain. You have, however... Dozens of
times.

You've repeated it over and over despite the fact that I acknowledged

it
was poorly worded, and have explained my intent.


Flat out wrong, not poorly worded.


Nursie did NOT "explain his intent" in the beginning.


Certainly took a lot of explanation and I'm still not satisfied with
any of his answers.

But something else is not satisfactory. He started this thread from
scratch, and claimed there was a "Rant." I didn't see the rant. I
asked where the rant was. Apparently, there was no rant.

I'm searching for a word used to describe a person wha says there was
something when there was not.

Nursie backpedalled AFTER the proper documents were
identified and locations given to him after three weeks of
stating "MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie's "intent explanation" was ALSO poorly worded.

Nursie will never ever admit he do wrong.


It's enough that we know. It's also enough that we know everyone else
here has given him a pass on it.

That you won't acknowledge that and move on is evidence that this is

ALL
you have to try and deflect attention from your every expanding list of NG

faux
pax.


"MARS is amateur radio" statement is not a faux pas?


Not only is it wrong, it's not true.

Nursie never once in three weeks of arguments identified or located
the documents which define and detail the Military Affiliate Radio
System. It took two others only a short search to find them on the
Internet and post that here.


Deliberate stupidity (playing dumb).

Nursie has never once acknowledged that MARS is a MILITARY
radio system, not even when the predecessor, AARS, was
shown to be the Army Amateur Radio System. [he must not
think the U.S. Army is a military branch...a bad case of murine
brainwashing]


Earned. Never Given.

It's apparent that this is ALL you have to "argue" about, Brain.

Sucks to be you, Brain.


You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.

"Sorry Hans...."

Hi, hi.


Brian, one might as well give up trying to make a chunk of igneous
rock understand anything, much less agree to have made a wrong
statement any time in his alleged life. [rock as a sentient life form
has only been portrayed as "life" on science-fiction shows...]


Remember, his assertion was too stupid to be science related. It was
more like fantasy or pulp.

If nursie say MARS is amateur radio, then that is all he (or she)
understands as "correct." It is nothing else. That's why there isn't
any definition or regulations on MARS in Part 97.


It's gotta be in there somewhere or else Dee would certainly provide a
correction.

shrug Decomposed granite cannot be argued with... :-)


True Grit.

LHA / WMD


William June 13th 04 12:03 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(the Meaningful Dis-Cusser) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message

. com...
(William) wrote in message
. com...

Steve, I didn't see the rant. Please repost it.

Perhaps if you didn't have your head so far up Lennie's rectum,
you might have had the opporutnity to read it in any one of several
HUNDRED anti-Amateur rants he's posted here.

Sorry you missed it. (More like IGNORED it.)

Steve, K4YZ

Sorry, Steve, but my head is not up Len's rectum.

Yes, it is.

More like your head
is up your own rectum. If you should ever pull it out, it will become
the "POP" heard round the world!

I am sure you wiash this were true.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...still making typos when oh, so angry? :-)

You have a "wiashing machine" there? A "clothes driaer?"

Appliance technology marches on...


Lockstep.


Remember, "real hams" do it with telegraphy. And LOGS.

And with AUTHORITY. [tension-hutt, gunnery nurse on da
bridge! all rise!]

If you cannot produce the rant, you'll just have to troll elsewhere.

Sorry, Brain...No need to waste that much bandwidth with material
that Lennie already wasted bandwidth on in the first place.

Everyone just loves all this "meaningful discussion" stuff. :-)


Is it time for Carl to spank Steve again?

Naw!


Carl be busy with true productive work with the IEEE.

Gunnery nurse incapable of anything but trying to suppress
those with differing opinions.

The definition of insanity is to spank an insane guy again and expect
different results.


Good point! I need a vacation...but, it's so EASY to reply
to the gunnery nurse...why, the posts just seem "to write
themselves!" :-)

Now, try and find something you KNOW something about to talk
about, Brain. So far you can discount DXpeditions, reciprocal
licensing, MARS, and emergency communications. You've failed
miserably in ALL of these subjects.

"MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie is a veteran of "hostile actions."

Nursie shopped at the HRO in Burbank, CA, before they even
moved out of their Van Nuys location...

Everyone just loves this "meaningful discussion" stuff. :-)



Steve is only here for meaningful discourse.


Of course. All us newsgrope readers can SEE that. :-)

By the way, that Burbank HRO store is right next to a Radio
Shack store. Ain't dat sometin? :-)

Betcha da gunnery nurse didn't know that, too busy "shopping
with friends" there...like back at a time when that HRO store
wasn't there! Amazing. Like Quantum Leap wasn't a TV show,
it really existed! :-)



Hmmm? How can you shop at a store before it was there, but then say
that you did it anyway?

Steve Robeson K4CAP June 13th 04 02:57 PM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (William)
Date: 6/12/2004 5:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...


Nursie did NOT "explain his intent" in the beginning.


Certainly took a lot of explanation and I'm still not satisfied with
any of his answers.


That's OK, Brain.

At least there ARE answers.

Still have many, many questions for YOU out there. NONE answered,
satisfactorly or othrwise.

But something else is not satisfactory. He started this thread from
scratch, and claimed there was a "Rant." I didn't see the rant. I
asked where the rant was. Apparently, there was no rant.


Sure there was...still is...You refuse to acknowledge it since it would
acknowledge the true nature of your "mentor, and subsequently YOUR relationship
with said "mentor".

I'm searching for a word used to describe a person wha says there was
something when there was not.


It's there. Now you look even MORE ignorant that you already do for so
aggressively trying to disclaim it.

Nursie backpedalled AFTER the proper documents were
identified and locations given to him after three weeks of
stating "MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie's "intent explanation" was ALSO poorly worded.

Nursie will never ever admit he do wrong.


It's enough that we know. It's also enough that we know everyone else
here has given him a pass on it.


Not "everyone else".

You and Lennie. Only one of you who as any "experience" in MARS at all,
and neither of you who knows how MARS operates.

"MARS is amateur radio" statement is not a faux pas?


Not only is it wrong, it's not true.


When quoted out of context, it is. You ignore the rest hoping it won't be
fed back to you.

Too bad for you.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Nursie never once in three weeks of arguments identified or located
the documents which define and detail the Military Affiliate Radio
System. It took two others only a short search to find them on the
Internet and post that here.


Deliberate stupidity (playing dumb).


Nope. Those "documents" were not needed.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Nursie has never once acknowledged that MARS is a MILITARY
radio system...(SNIP)


Untrue...Again....

(UNSNIP)...not even when the predecessor, AARS, was
shown to be the Army Amateur Radio System. [he must not
think the U.S. Army is a military branch...a bad case of murine
brainwashing]


Earned. Never Given.


Keep trying, Brain. You MIGHT get SOMETHING right one day.

Not likely, but you might...

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP June 13th 04 03:00 PM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (William)
Date: 6/12/2004 6:03 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Betcha da gunnery nurse didn't know that, too busy "shopping
with friends" there...like back at a time when that HRO store
wasn't there! Amazing. Like Quantum Leap wasn't a TV show,
it really existed! :-)



Hmmm? How can you shop at a store before it was there, but then say
that you did it anyway?


Lennie would like you to think that, Brain.

Of course it's apparent he's got you believing a LOT of untrue things, so
I don't know why THIS would be any different.

Just another LennieLie, now propagated by Son of Lennie.

Putz and Putz Jr.

Steve, K4YZ






Len Over 21 June 13th 04 09:28 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/12/2004 6:03 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Betcha da gunnery nurse didn't know that, too busy "shopping
with friends" there...like back at a time when that HRO store
wasn't there! Amazing. Like Quantum Leap wasn't a TV show,
it really existed! :-)



Hmmm? How can you shop at a store before it was there, but then say
that you did it anyway?


Lennie would like you to think that, Brain.

Of course it's apparent he's got you believing a LOT of untrue things,
so I don't know why THIS would be any different.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. It should be an easy recall for anyone with fabled
Recon Marine training to describe the location, the general
vicinity, background, etc. That HRO location isn't in a large mall
at all. [it's off the intersection of Victory Blvd and Buena Vista,
major streets]

The old HRO in Van Nuys is, by comparison nondescript for locality.
However, the new location has many noticeable features. But,
WHICH location of HRO was nursie talking about? There's three,
not two. :-)

Just another LennieLie, now propagated by Son of Lennie.

Putz and Putz Jr.


Ah, more of the nursie "meaningful discourse." :-)

I do hope Rev. Jim is looking in...much food for thought for another
Sermon on the Antenna Mount!

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 13th 04 09:28 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

Betcha da gunnery nurse didn't know that, too busy "shopping
with friends" there...like back at a time when that HRO store
wasn't there! Amazing. Like Quantum Leap wasn't a TV show,
it really existed! :-)



Hmmm? How can you shop at a store before it was there, but then say
that you did it anyway?


All PCTA Extras possess that mystical quality.

It's like deja vu all over again...

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 13th 04 09:28 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/12/2004 5:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...


Nursie did NOT "explain his intent" in the beginning.


Certainly took a lot of explanation and I'm still not satisfied with
any of his answers.


That's OK, Brain.

At least there ARE answers.


Wrong ones. But, in this newsgroup, whatever nursie defines as
right is "right." Anything else is a "lie." :-)

Still have many, many questions for YOU out there. NONE answered,
satisfactorly or othrwise.


Poor baby. Not the answers you wanted? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

But something else is not satisfactory. He started this thread from
scratch, and claimed there was a "Rant." I didn't see the rant. I
asked where the rant was. Apparently, there was no rant.


Sure there was...still is...You refuse to acknowledge it since it would
acknowledge the true nature of your "mentor, and subsequently YOUR
relationship with said "mentor".


Ah...here we go with the nursie-style "meaningful discussion" thing.

As I explained in another message, nursie's concept of a "rant" is
whatever is in its personal fantasyland.

Nursie must have taken out a long lease and had the rant all paid
up until next year or later...

I'm searching for a word used to describe a person wha says there was
something when there was not.


It's there. Now you look even MORE ignorant that you already do for so
aggressively trying to disclaim it.

Nursie backpedalled AFTER the proper documents were
identified and locations given to him after three weeks of
stating "MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie's "intent explanation" was ALSO poorly worded.

Nursie will never ever admit he do wrong.


It's enough that we know. It's also enough that we know everyone else
here has given him a pass on it.


Not "everyone else".

You and Lennie. Only one of you who as any "experience" in MARS at all,
and neither of you who knows how MARS operates.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. MARS is a military radio service. Army MARS Hq is
in Fort Huachuca, AZ. [a bit too hot and dry for me, having been
there] That's also home for the Army's Military Intelligence school.
[it's obvious who wouldn't be allowed to enter that school...:-) ]

"MARS is amateur radio" statement is not a faux pas?


Not only is it wrong, it's not true.


When quoted out of context, it is. You ignore the rest hoping it won't
be fed back to you.


"Quoted out of context?!?" Nursie write "Sorry Hans, MARS IS
amateur radio!"

If MARS were amateur radio, then Part 97 would define and regulate
it. Part 97 does not.

If MARS were amateur radio, then there would be no need for DoD
Directive 4650.2. But there IS that Directive.

Ergo, MARS is a military radio service.

Too bad for you.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.


Untrue. Read DoD Directive 4650.2 if at all possible. It defines what
MARS is. MARS can and does exist without amateur radio as is
witness to the reporting of exercise Grecian Firebolt 2002.

Nursie's second statement (trying to backpedal from the first one) is
as invalid as the first.

Nursie never once in three weeks of arguments identified or located
the documents which define and detail the Military Affiliate Radio
System. It took two others only a short search to find them on the
Internet and post that here.


Deliberate stupidity (playing dumb).


Nope. Those "documents" were not needed.


They were for the sake of reality of the rest of us. In nursie's case,
an alternate reality exists.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.


This second statement, not identical to the first, is as incorrect as
the first.

Nursie has never once acknowledged that MARS is a MILITARY
radio system...(SNIP)


Untrue...Again....


True. Google has it in all the glaring inaccuracies of the original. :-)

(UNSNIP)...not even when the predecessor, AARS, was
shown to be the Army Amateur Radio System. [he must not
think the U.S. Army is a military branch...a bad case of murine
brainwashing]


Earned. Never Given.


Keep trying, Brain. You MIGHT get SOMETHING right one day.

Not likely, but you might...


Poor nursie, still harboring rage and resentment at not being believed.

Goodbye, meaningful discourse.

Hello, alternate nursie reality.

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 13th 04 09:28 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/9/2004 12:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve, if you don't like me giving you crap, stop posting such stupid
things as, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

I haven't stated that in weeks, Brain. You have, however...Dozens

of
times.

You've repeated it over and over despite the fact that I
acknowledged it
was poorly worded, and have explained my intent.

Flat out wrong, not poorly worded.


Nursie did NOT "explain his intent" in the beginning.


Certainly took a lot of explanation and I'm still not satisfied with
any of his answers.

But something else is not satisfactory. He started this thread from
scratch, and claimed there was a "Rant." I didn't see the rant. I
asked where the rant was. Apparently, there was no rant.


In nursie's personal reality, "the rant" is on-going and is done by
anyone disagreeing with nursie.

He thinks that every subject thread is involved in "a rant" against
him and therefore is compelled to yell, cuss, swear, and say cute
little Yiddish nasties (he not speak or understand Yiddish, the goy)
against his pet enemies.

I'm searching for a word used to describe a person wha says there was
something when there was not.


In any other venue, that is a four-letter word spelled L-I-A-R.

In here, a "liar" is simply anyone who disagrees with nursie.

It's that simple. :-)

Nursie backpedalled AFTER the proper documents were
identified and locations given to him after three weeks of
stating "MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie's "intent explanation" was ALSO poorly worded.

Nursie will never ever admit he do wrong.


It's enough that we know. It's also enough that we know everyone else
here has given him a pass on it.


Ah, but his "rant" is on-going, sort of an obsessional perpetual
motion thing... :-)

That you won't acknowledge that and move on is evidence that this is
ALL you have to try and deflect attention from your every expanding list

of
NG faux pax.


"MARS is amateur radio" statement is not a faux pas?


Not only is it wrong, it's not true.


Irrelevant in here. Definitions of reality don't apply in this newsgroup.

If any PCTA says we "lie," then we "lie" even if we have the evidence.

Ol' George Orwell had it right... :-)

Nursie never once in three weeks of arguments identified or located
the documents which define and detail the Military Affiliate Radio
System. It took two others only a short search to find them on the
Internet and post that here.


Deliberate stupidity (playing dumb).


...or just stupidity on his part.

Nursie has never once acknowledged that MARS is a MILITARY
radio system, not even when the predecessor, AARS, was
shown to be the Army Amateur Radio System. [he must not
think the U.S. Army is a military branch...a bad case of murine
brainwashing]


Earned. Never Given.

It's apparent that this is ALL you have to "argue" about, Brain.

Sucks to be you, Brain.

You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.

"Sorry Hans...."

Hi, hi.


Brian, one might as well give up trying to make a chunk of igneous
rock understand anything, much less agree to have made a wrong
statement any time in his alleged life. [rock as a sentient life form
has only been portrayed as "life" on science-fiction shows...]


Remember, his assertion was too stupid to be science related. It was
more like fantasy or pulp.


Nursie must have pulped all the DoD Directives then... :-)

If nursie say MARS is amateur radio, then that is all he (or she)
understands as "correct." It is nothing else. That's why there isn't
any definition or regulations on MARS in Part 97.


It's gotta be in there somewhere or else Dee would certainly provide a
correction.


She might have ordered a new spanking paddle to use on her "children"
in here and it hasn't arrived yet?

shrug Decomposed granite cannot be argued with... :-)


True Grit.


Har! :-)

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 13th 04 09:28 PM

In article , (Steamy
Steve Nursie of the TN State CAP storms again) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/10/2004 9:16 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.


People who are trying to berate others over thier choice of words should
take a couple of seconds to proof read what they write BEFORE they send it,
Brain.

What a PUTZ!

Brian, you're an idiot. It really is THAT simple.

But hey, THANKS for making my job that much easier!


Oh, my, all that "meaningful discourse" going on.

Rev. Jim approves, of course. :-)

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 13th 04 09:28 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/10/2004 9:13 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


I could "claim" operation from TA, 9K, HZ, DU, HR, VP2, VE, SU and
several other places


What other places?


Noe of your business. You aren't in any of THOSE logs, Brain.


"Noe?" :-)

Secret military logs? TN STATE Guard logs? TN paramilitary
militia logs? :-)

if the criteria was just having set foot on thier territorial
grounds at least once.


Setting foot on "thier" territorial grounds doesn't make for hostile
actions either.


Did I say it did? I just said I was there.


Okay, so Where and When of your fabled "hostile actions?" :-)

No Proof = Didn't happen.


Liar Steve, you could even show us some of those medals that you have,
but didn't earn. Walter Mittyism at its very finest. Get help.


Ahhhhhh...I see....In Brain's book, it's "Walter Mittyism" to collect
anything.

Uh huh.


No, it's Fantasy Island stuff with nursie. Nursie just say he do and
it was done. Proof is irrelevant. In our reality. In his personal
reality it really happened.

At least the medals I didn't earn ARE in a box and were clearly reported
as such. SOME people in this forum have a habit of reporting that they did
things and went places that they have no proof for.


Does Western Costume know you have those movie props?

Or did you get them from some southeastern US scab movie
company that went bankrupt?

THOSE people are the liars.


Everyone who disagree with nursie are the liars. :-)

LHA / WMD

Steve Robeson, K4CAP June 14th 04 08:17 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Everyone who disagree with nursie are the liars.


Nope.

Only those who tell tales that can't be substantiated by some
third party source of some presentation of documentation.

So far YOUR only "point" is that I won't discuss the details of
actions I was involved in in the Marines. The fact is I mention the
Corps only when it's brought up by you, and then only because you
can't seem to get things right.

No wonder you're no longer an "engineer working regular hours".

Judging from what I've been able to ascertain from people who
actually knew you, your best skill was getting away with mediocrity
until you were given the "opportunity to expand your horizons" with
some other employer. That you invested your monies wisely is your
only milestone.

You can continue to make your silly assertions and feign
indignation at the berating you receive in this forum. Obviously it
wasn't the first time anyone was able to see through you and your
ineptness. It's just that in this forum you can get away with it and
claim "First Amendment" privilege.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

William June 14th 04 03:03 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steamy
Steve Nursie of the TN State CAP storms again) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/10/2004 9:16 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.


People who are trying to berate others over thier choice of words should
take a couple of seconds to proof read what they write BEFORE they send it,
Brain.

What a PUTZ!

Brian, you're an idiot. It really is THAT simple.

But hey, THANKS for making my job that much easier!


Oh, my, all that "meaningful discourse" going on.

Rev. Jim approves, of course. :-)

LHA / WMD


Len, it's kind of interesting what Steve thinks his job is. He is
here to call people "PUTZ," and "idiot." Wonder how much it pays?

Steve thinks he can brag about 7-Hostile Actions, but never
substantiate it. He is as pure as the driven snow. Steve can make an
assertion of fact that I lost my T5 logs, but never substantiate it.

Everyone else is a LIAR. 'cept Steve. He's here for meaningful
discourse.

William June 14th 04 03:04 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/12/2004 6:03 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Betcha da gunnery nurse didn't know that, too busy "shopping
with friends" there...like back at a time when that HRO store
wasn't there! Amazing. Like Quantum Leap wasn't a TV show,
it really existed! :-)



Hmmm? How can you shop at a store before it was there, but then say
that you did it anyway?


Lennie would like you to think that, Brain.

Of course it's apparent he's got you believing a LOT of untrue things,
so I don't know why THIS would be any different.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. It should be an easy recall for anyone with fabled
Recon Marine training to describe the location, the general
vicinity, background, etc.


Yup. He ought to be able to call in the coordinates in MGRS.

That HRO location isn't in a large mall
at all. [it's off the intersection of Victory Blvd and Buena Vista,
major streets]

The old HRO in Van Nuys is, by comparison nondescript for locality.
However, the new location has many noticeable features. But,
WHICH location of HRO was nursie talking about? There's three,
not two. :-)

Just another LennieLie, now propagated by Son of Lennie.

Putz and Putz Jr.


Ah, more of the nursie "meaningful discourse." :-)

I do hope Rev. Jim is looking in...much food for thought for another
Sermon on the Antenna Mount!

LHA / WMD


Love all this meaningful discourse.

Len Over 21 June 14th 04 07:43 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/12/2004 6:03 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Betcha da gunnery nurse didn't know that, too busy "shopping
with friends" there...like back at a time when that HRO store
wasn't there! Amazing. Like Quantum Leap wasn't a TV show,
it really existed! :-)



Hmmm? How can you shop at a store before it was there, but then say
that you did it anyway?

Lennie would like you to think that, Brain.

Of course it's apparent he's got you believing a LOT of untrue things,
so I don't know why THIS would be any different.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. It should be an easy recall for anyone with fabled
Recon Marine training to describe the location, the general
vicinity, background, etc.


Yup. He ought to be able to call in the coordinates in MGRS.

That HRO location isn't in a large mall
at all. [it's off the intersection of Victory Blvd and Buena Vista,
major streets]

The old HRO in Van Nuys is, by comparison nondescript for locality.
However, the new location has many noticeable features. But,
WHICH location of HRO was nursie talking about? There's three,
not two. :-)

Just another LennieLie, now propagated by Son of Lennie.

Putz and Putz Jr.


Ah, more of the nursie "meaningful discourse." :-)

I do hope Rev. Jim is looking in...much food for thought for another
Sermon on the Antenna Mount!

LHA / WMD


Love all this meaningful discourse.


Yes!

"Mean," yes. "Full," yes. "Dis," yes. "Course?" Not set.

We are both waiting for the identity of the "rant." It must be one
of those things documented in "his jacket." Maybe I'll call the VA
to ask them if they know what nursie's "rant" is about...? :-)

LHA / WMD



Len Over 21 June 14th 04 07:43 PM

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Everyone who disagree with nursie are the liars.


Nope.

Only those who tell tales that can't be substantiated by some
third party source of some presentation of documentation.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, that sound like nursie. :-)

So far YOUR only "point" is that I won't discuss the details of
actions I was involved in in the Marines.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...are the murines involved in hum radio?

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-)

The fact is I mention the
Corps only when it's brought up by you, and then only because you
can't seem to get things right.


Oh, my, "only when others bring it up!" :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

No wonder you're no longer an "engineer working regular hours".


Tsk, tsk, tsk..."regular hours" are getting to work on time on a
regular employer's schedule.

Have you heard of something called "retirement?" No?

Call the VA, maybe they can explain it to you...in short, easy-to-
understand syllables...

Judging from what I've been able to ascertain from people who
actually knew you, your best skill was getting away with mediocrity
until you were given the "opportunity to expand your horizons" with
some other employer.


Oh? You can actually "ascertain" something? From "people who
actually knew me?" Who might those folks be? Hmmm?

I've given you three long-time radio amateur's names in here.
There's others I haven't mentioned.

Just WHO are those radio amateurs - or anyone else - that
"actually knew me?" Until nursie fesses up with some ID on
them, we readers can only assume nursie be LYING again.

That you invested your monies wisely is your only milestone.


Poor baby. Drawing all the disability-and-retirement military
pay plus a (steady?) job as a nurse, you get all fussy about
"money?" Tsk, tsk, tsk. Not enough there for your elegant
tastes?

Poor baby. I've spent a bit over a half century on fairly steady
employment (as "steady" as the aerospace industry is). Doesn't
take any Wall Street smarts to prepare for and enjoy comfortable
retirement.

You can continue to make your silly assertions and feign
indignation at the berating you receive in this forum.


"Berating?!?" What, from some sociopath who can't take the
mild environment of a newsgroup? :-)

Been there, seen them, got lots of T-shirts. :-)

Obviously it
wasn't the first time anyone was able to see through you and your
ineptness.


"Ineptness?!?" Poor baby. Too much return fire getting through
your armor, big sojer in da woods? :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you're taking lots of hits. Quit painting the target
all over yourself.

It's just that in this forum you can get away with it and
claim "First Amendment" privilege.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Poor baby. Can't get away with one-sided libel,
can you? [thank you, AOL... :-) ]

Putz.


Wow! All that "meaningful discourse!" :-)

Goyim...

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 14th 04 07:43 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steamy Steve Nursie of the TN State CAP storms again) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/10/2004 9:16 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You're stupid words being shown to you again and again must finally be
getting to you.

People who are trying to berate others over thier choice of words

should
take a couple of seconds to proof read what they write BEFORE they send

it,
Brain.

What a PUTZ!

Brian, you're an idiot. It really is THAT simple.

But hey, THANKS for making my job that much easier!


Oh, my, all that "meaningful discourse" going on.

Rev. Jim approves, of course. :-)

LHA / WMD


Len, it's kind of interesting what Steve thinks his job is. He is
here to call people "PUTZ," and "idiot." Wonder how much it pays?


I surmise it is a "duty." A duty as in ethnic cleansing.

Nursie do this willingly, almost gleefully, because it cleanses
him partially of hate, anger, and outrage. :-)

Steve thinks he can brag about 7-Hostile Actions, but never
substantiate it. He is as pure as the driven snow. Steve can make an
assertion of fact that I lost my T5 logs, but never substantiate it.

Everyone else is a LIAR. 'cept Steve. He's here for meaningful
discourse.


Gotta be that post-traumatic stress disorder from all dem
"hostile actions." :-)

LHA / WMD

Steve Robeson K4CAP June 15th 04 04:53 AM

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From: (William)
Date: 6/14/2004 9:03 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len, it's kind of interesting what Steve thinks his job is. He is
here to call people "PUTZ," and "idiot." Wonder how much it pays?


The "reawrds" are strictly etherical.

Steve thinks he can brag about 7-Hostile Actions, but never
substantiate it. He is as pure as the driven snow. Steve can make an
assertion of fact that I lost my T5 logs, but never substantiate it.


I've never "bragged" about "seven hostile actions". I simply acknowledged
that I HAD been in actions while in the Armed Forces. That is true.

You and Lennie are the one's who keep recycling the "seven hostile
actions" phrase. Goggle refers.

Everyone else is a LIAR. 'cept Steve. He's here for meaningful
discourse.


I am not the one who, on the one hand, lambastes others for thier lack of
focus on "the topic", then resorts to my own discourse. You and Lennie pull
the cart off the trail enough for 10 persons.

Steve, K4YZ






Len Over 21 June 15th 04 05:17 AM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/14/2004 9:03 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len, it's kind of interesting what Steve thinks his job is. He is
here to call people "PUTZ," and "idiot." Wonder how much it pays?


The "reawrds" are strictly etherical.

Steve thinks he can brag about 7-Hostile Actions, but never
substantiate it. He is as pure as the driven snow. Steve can make an
assertion of fact that I lost my T5 logs, but never substantiate it.


I've never "bragged" about "seven hostile actions". I simply
acknowledged
that I HAD been in actions while in the Armed Forces. That is true.


Nobody seems to know the Where or When of that claim.

Where were they...and at what date?

You and Lennie are the one's who keep recycling the "seven hostile
actions" phrase. Goggle refers.


"Google." :-)

Your CAP Air Ace personna is trying to speak. Don't let it.
Put those goggles away. Or get a new windscreen...

Where and When were those "hostile actions?"

Everyone else is a LIAR. 'cept Steve. He's here for meaningful
discourse.


I am not the one who, on the one hand, lambastes others for thier lack of
focus on "the topic", then resorts to my own discourse. You and Lennie pull
the cart off the trail enough for 10 persons.


One can baste a lamb, but only you can lambast others with
undocumented claims and then argue until red in the face that
they were "true."

Neither Brian nor myself ever had to "pull any cart." Nursie put
that cart together all by himself. Except it is made of air.

Such air-heavy objects are very easy to pull.

Now Where and When were those "hostile actions?" Furnish
some reference so that anyone can check it out themselves.

You made a claim that "MARS is amateur radio" and cannot
back it up. Not even the DoD will support that claim...and the
DoD has DEFINED MARS.

Len Over 21 June 15th 04 05:40 AM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: So Much For THAT Rant....
From:
(William)
Date: 6/14/2004 9:03 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len, it's kind of interesting what Steve thinks his job is. He is
here to call people "PUTZ," and "idiot." Wonder how much it pays?


The "reawrds" are strictly etherical.


What are "reawrds," nursie? [that is NOT Yiddish...]

And what is "etherical?" Something to do with 'ether?'

Why are you trying to pass gas?

If you meant "ethical," we might get some idea. However, a
lot of braggadoccio about some unsubstantiated military
action is hardly "ethical," is it? More like a fish story.

Maybe you meant "ethereal?" Like 'out of this world...'

Some of those claims of yours are that way...

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD


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