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Amateur Radio Newsline™ Report 1403 – July 2, 2004
Amateur Radio Newsline™ Report 1403 – July 2, 2004
Amateur Radio Newsline report number 1403 with a release date of Friday, July 2, 2004 to follow in 5-4-3-2-1. The following is a Q-S-T. The score is now Ham Radio one, BPL zero; OSCAR Echo is alive, and business is good for CW. Find out the details on Amateur Radio Newsline report number 1403 coming your way right now. (Billboard Cart Here) ** BPL: SCORE ONE FOR THE GOOD GUYS A major broadband-over-power line pilot test by Alliant Energy in Cedar Rapids, Iowa is shut down after local hams document the harmful interference and the Federal Communications Commission gets a formal complaint from the A-R-R-L. We get the details from Amateur Radio Newsline's Mark Abramowicz NT3V: ************ It took nearly three months to accomplish the mission, but amateurs in Cedar Rapids - armed with ample data and the muscle of the American Radio Relay League - convinced Alliant to prematurely halt their B-P-L test. Jim Spencer, W0SR, first discovered the interference on his HF radio right after Alliant launched its B-P-L testing March 30. Spencer, who quickly mobilized other Cedar Rapids hams to form a technical committee, says the interference was so severe that it wiped out his and others' ability to use their radios. Spencer says the group worked with Alliant officials to try to resolve the interference and conducted several test measurements with the utility's cooperation. Spencer tells Amateur Radio Newsline the group appealed to Alliant to shut down the system and stop the interference on several occasions. But it was clear the B-P-L industry was telling Alliant's managers something else. "There's a lot of regulatory uncertainty here," Spencer explains. "And that what the hams were calling harmful interference - in my case S-9 signals, you know, every 1-plus kilohertz across the band, they were being told that wasn't really harmful.'' Spencer says communications between his technical group and Alliant officials were civil, but they accomplished little action. He says he and others filed complaints with the FCC. "I think in 21 communications I received one simple response basically told me to go back to the power company - the operator of the system," Spencer says. "And, of course, I had done that all the time. So, we had been asking the utility company to close it down, we had been asking the FCC to help us and then the ARRL went and escalated that." Wade Walstrom, W0EJ, is the ARRL's Midwest Division Director. He says the league's FCC complaint finally got the utility's attention. "The thrust of the complaint was that they were now aware that the system was causing interference and didn't shut the system off so now that makes it willful interference," Walstrom said... Alliant stopped the B-P-L pilot test on June 25 saying it had gathered the necessary data to make a determination on whether a general rollout of B-P-L would be worth pursuing, according to Spencer. He says Alliant's project leader told him the ARRL's FCC complaint was just one factor in the company's decision. "Obviously we're happy, but we didn't feel like we had won," Spencer said. "We felt like this was a technical problem and that we tried to communicate some of the technical parameters to them and that they'd made a good business decision." Spencer says an Alliant representative told him the company has no plans to pursue B-P-L at this time. "In order to distribute it out to a sparsely-populated rural area with all the equipment it would take, it's not clear that this thing makes economic sense," Spencer says. "And that this really can meet the goals of the rural user which is one of the things that people touted." The ARRL's Walstrom is cautiously optimistic Alliant's decision might have a ripple effect. "We would hope that other utilities or other organizations that were looking to possibly use B-P-L as a source of revenue will look and see the decision that Alliant has made and re-think their own plans and hopefully decide that maybe there are other ways to provide broadband internet connections to the population as a whole," Walstrom says. Walstrom says the Cedar Rapids group led by Spencer has set a precedent. "All the proof on how well it's going to work isn't there yet," Walstrom says. "And the proof that we have established here in Cedar Rapids and is coming out from other parts of the country is that it's not an interference-free system by any means and in fact it causes a lot of interference and we've documented that here." Spencer says his committee, consisting of a group of engineers - most of them retired from Rockwell Collins - stuck strictly to technical evidence in communications with Alliant. But he says its clear B-P-L has taken on a very political tone. "Obviously the problem has got a lot of political implications, but the thing that hams can do is remain professional and keep it primarily on a technical level," Spencer says. The ARRL's Walstrom says if he could stand before the FCC panel to make his case, he would strongly urge the commissioners to postpone action on or even walk away from B-P-L. "I think they need to delay it until they're satisfied that they're able to mitigate any interference problems at all and by mitigate from an amateur radio standpoint that really means eliminate," Walstrom says. Spencer adds, there are no hard feelings toward Alliant. Spencer says he and members of his technical group still have a good, working relationship with the utility. "We've had quite a bit of communication back and forth through this whole thing," Spencer says. "I mean I've had many, many e-mails and some phone calls and I would say that it was pretty positive and still is." For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Mark Abramowicz, NT3V, in Philadelphia. ************ In addition to operations in Cedar Rapids, Alliant also provides utility services to customers in sections of Minnesota and Wisconsin, and a small strip of northwestern Illinois (W0SR, ARRL) ** HAM RADIO IN SPACE: ECHO IS UP AND RUNNING The newest Amateur Radio satellite is now in orbit and doing fine. Chuck Green, N0ADI, reported by phone from the Baikonur Cosmodrome that the launch of AMSAT Echo and the other satellites occurred on time on June 29th at 0630 UTC. He watched the rocket climb out and said it appeared to be flying straight and true. A second phone call from Chuck 18 minutes later confirmed that the launch carrying AMSAT OSCAR Echo was successful and that all spacecraft had separated successfully. Chuck was assisted in the final integration and checkout process at Baikonur by the team from SpaceQuest which included Dr. Dino Lorenzini KC4YMG, Mark Kanawati N4TPY, and Lyle Johnson KK7P. The SpaceQuest team members are also AMSAT members and volunteers. First contact with Echo was at 1452 UTC on June 29th. After collecting a bit of TLM the 435.150 MHz transmitter was turned off at 1500 UTC. The preliminary keps were observed to be pretty close. The first look at Echo’s telemetry shows things are looking good. The battery was fully charged and the panels were delivering about 950 ma, which is fine. The panels were supporting the transmitter power adequately at about 2.3W output. The bird appeared to be tumbling as expected. Internal temperatures are around 10 degrees Celsius which is also as expected. On the second pass the loading of software began and good progress was made. Telemetry continues to look very good. While fades clearly indicated Echo continues to tumble (as expected), at 2.2 Watts output good bits were received without difficulty. Rather than turn the transmitter off at the end of that pass, based on a very good looking power system, the power was turned down to about 0.3 Watts. The hour between passes was spent closely examining the captured telemetry and comparing it to pre-launch testing, as well as tweaking the keps a bit. During the second set of passes approximately twelve hours later, the command team finished loading the housekeeping software. The housekeeping task is up and running as of June 30th at 0525 UTC. With more data available on the power systems performance the transmitter has now been left at about 1.2W. The morning passes on June 30th concentrated on gathering telemetry. The evening passes continued with checkout activities. A telemetry decode program, TLMEcho, is available for those who would like to view and report data from Echo. It may be downloaded from AMSAT.ORG in the Echo project area, http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/ If you record telemetry please send the CSV files to . Please do not transmit to Echo until checkout and commissioning has been completed and the satellite is made available for general use. Unexpected uplinks may cause delays in verifying the proper operation of ECHO and delay the opening of the transponders to general use. (AMSAT, WD0E) ** Break 1 From the United States of America, We are the Amateur Radio Newsline, heard on bulletin stations around the world including the N7SKO repeater serving Arizona, California and Nevada. ** WITH NEWSLINE: SEND US YOUR ID - PLEASE Would you like to ID your own repeater or bulletin station here on Amateur Radio Newsline? Well here is how you can do it. Record the following sentence and include the call sign and location you want to honor. From the United States of America, we are the Amateur Radio Newsline, heard on bulletin stations around the world including the xxx repeater serving yyy zzz. The xxx is the call sign. The yyy and zzz are the city and state. Then, take the tape and mail it to Amateur Radio Newsline, Editorial Office, 28197 Robin Avenue, Santa Clarita, California, 91350. As time permits, we will select an audio I-D and include it in the newscast. All tapes submitted become the property of the Amateur Radio Newsline and cannot be returned. Again, the address to make yourself a part of this bulletin service is Amateur Radio Newsline, Editorial Office, 28197 Robin Avenue, Santa Clarita, California, 91350. ** RESCUE RADIO: VA HOSPITALS SAY YES TO HAM RADIO Hospitals in Roanoke, Virginia, will soon be ham radio equipped. Mike Knight, K4IJ, reports through the Repeater Journal that a budget of twenty-five thousand dollars has been approved for the installation of Amateur stations at between ten and twelve primary healthcare facilities in the Roanoke area. Knight says that the system will include a dual band base radio, a mobile radio, a power supply, antennas and full lightning protection at each hospital. Also going on-line will be a pair of commercial grade FM voice repeaters with back-up generators, and a dedicated digital repeater. The voice systems will have IRLP and Echolink tie-ins to communicate outside the local area. When completed, the Roanoke system will consist of five to six linked repeaters. The base stations will be connected to each hospitals emergency power system to keep them on the air. (Repeater Journal) ** RADIO LAW: COURT SAYS NO TO EXPANDED MEDIA OWNERSHIP A U.S. Court of Appeals in Philadelphia has thrown out most of the Federal Communications Commission's new and controversial media ownership deregulation. Its Thursday, June 24th decision means that for the time being, ownership levels of broadcast properties and related media will remain at current levels. Back on June 2nd of 2003, the FCC's Republican majority voted to dramatically ease a prohibition barring daily newspapers from buying broadcast stations in their markets. The agency lifted caps limiting how many radio and TV stations a broadcaster could own in the same area. But in its 2 to 1 decision the Philadelphia court said that while some relaxation of the ownership limits might be reasonable, the agency had failed to adequately justify the limits it had put in place. The court announced that its original stay on the FCC's media ownership deregulation would continue until the agency fixes the regulations to the court's liking. (TV Week) ** ENFORCEMENT: TOO MUCH MORSE CODE The FCC is asking a Missouri ham why he is running a Morse code training program smack in the middle of the 40 meter band. The target of the inquiry is Paul D. Westcott, KC0OAB of Purdy who apparently has code practice on the air around the clock. Its June 21st letter to Westcott notes that the agency had previously discussed this matter with KC0OAB and was given assurances that the transmissions he was making were for Morse Code practice. Since that time the agency has received another complaint which alleges that the purported 40 meter code practice transmissions are 24 hours a day, seven days per week. The FCC says that due to the crowded nature of the 40 Meter Band, it is extremely inconsiderate to take up spectrum in that area for transmissions 24 hours a day. This, even if it is purportedly for “code practice” purposes. The agency has posed several questions to Westcott to explain his operation and was given 20 days from the date of the FCC letter to provide a very detailed response. ** ENFORCEMENT: NO LICENSE - DON’T OPERATE The town of Reseda, California, is only about 10 miles from the Newsline studio. It’s also the place where the FCC alleges that someone has been operating a ham radio transmitter without the benefit of being a licensed ham. In a letter to a resident identified as Joseph A. Mosbergen, the FCC says that he or someone in his residence has been operating radio-transmitting equipment on several Los Angeles area Two Meter Amateur Radio repeaters. The agency warns Mosbergen that this is a violation of it rules and will subject him or whoever is proven to be operating to punitive action. This could include a fine or imprisonment, as well as seizure of any non-certified radio transmitting equipment. It also tells Mosbergern that this is the last warning that he will receive. ** HAM RADIO BUSINESS: HEIL TO MARKET CLEAR SPEECH SPEAKER Turning to the ham radio business scene, word that the NCT Group has appointed Heil Sound Limited as its prime worldwide manufacturer and distributor of the Clear Speech Speaker system. Under the terms of the deal, Heil Sound will distribute Clear Speech speakers to their present amateur radio dealers and commercial broadcast distributors. Also, the Clear Speech speaker will be improved and several new products will be brought to the market using the NCT Group technologies. According to Heil Sound these new product models are in development and will be available for market by the end of July. More is on line at www.heilsound.com ** COMMUNICATIOS NEWS: DUAL-CORE PROCESSORS ON THE WAY Tech News reports that Advanced Micro Devices plans to begin selling microchips with the equivalent of two microprocessors in one next year. The Sunnyvale, California based company said it plans to offer dual-core processors for data-serving business computers in the middle of next year, and for high-end home computers in the second half of next year. Dual-core technology combines the power of two processors in one package. This permits the creation of a more powerful computer and increased computation power when multitasking. Last month, Intel said it would bring dual-core chips to the marketplace in 2005. That’s more than a year ahead of schedule. ** HAM RADIO BUSINESS: CW IS GOING STRONG If you think Morse code is on its way out, the ham radio business community probably disagrees with you. At least that’s the impression one gets thumbing through the articles in the July issue of CQ Magazine. Not only are the ads for Morse related products holding steady, but the new products area has some reviews of the latest CW related products. And not to be outdone, Dave Ingram, K4TWJ, devotes his World of Ideas column to Morse Keys from around the world. If you are a Morse lover, this is the CQ edition for you. It’s on your newsstand now. More information is on the web at www.cq-amateur-radio.com. ** THE SOCIAL SCENE: COME TO THE TENNESSEE HAM BREAKFAST On the ham radio social scene, the Middle Tennessee Ham Breakfast takes place at the famed Tennessean Truckstop on the second Saturday of every month. People begin to gather there at about 9 a.m. and it’s billed as a chance to meet the middle Tennessee hams you may have contacted on the air. Interested in attending? For full information simply send a note to or call Ken, AI4DV at area code 931 – 424 – 9523 during normal business hours. (Do Not Read: Repeater Journal) ** THE SOCIAL SCENE: ROANOKE VA. IN JULY And still in the South, mark down July 31st to attend the annual Roanoke Hamfest. This event is sponsored by the Roanoke Valley Amateur Radio Club and will be held at William Byrd High School in Vinton, Virginia starting at 8 a.m. local time. Full information on this friendly event is on line at w4ca.host4www.com ** BREAK 2 This is ham radio news for today’s radio amateur. From the United States of America, We are the Amateur Radio Newsline with links to the world from our only official website at www.arnewsline.org and being relayed by the volunteer services of the following radio amateur: ** COLOR TV IS CELEBRATING ITS 50TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR Now for a bit of a history lesson. Although color TV transmissions were in the development stages many years earlier, the broadcast industry is celebrating its half century mark this year. This is because it was 50 years ago that color broadcasts were initially made available to the public. Now, National Public Radio has posted a story and some interesting historical resources at its website. It is very interesting reading. That URL is in this week’s printed Amateur Radio Newsline report. (www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1789944 (CGC)) ** EMERGING TECHNOLOGY: NEW DVD PLAYER FILTERS OUT BAD WORDS Wal-Mart is selling the world's first DVD player that can seamlessly skip over violence, swearing, nudity and other potentially offensive movie content. The $79 unit features technology by ClearPlay and is manufactured by Thomson Inc. under its RCA brand. The DVD player is the latest development in a legal battle between the Salt Lake City-based software company and Hollywood. Members of the Directors Guild of America filed suit against ClearPlay in September 2002, when the filtering product was available as a computer program claiming it impinges on intellectual and creative rights. Those legal proceedings are still under way in Colorado's 10th District Court. Both sides currently are waiting for a ruling on a summary judgment filed by ClearPlay. ** WORLDBEAT - SLOVAKIA: FIRST CELLPHONE VIRUS ANNOUNCED On the international scene word that a group of underground virus writers have announced what is believed to be the world's first worm that can spread on advanced mobile phones. According to news reports, the worm named Cabir, was sent to security software firms in the United States and Russia by a member of 29a. 29a is described as a group of virus writers from the Czech Republic and Slovakia who pride themselves in creating proof of concept malicious viruses. Thankfully, Cabir has been found to have no damaging code attached that might destroy files or execute other harmful operations. ** WORLDBEAT – UK: RSGB QSL BUREAU CHANGE On a more positive note, word that Marc Litchman, G0TOC is the new RSGB QSL Bureau Sub-Manager for the G7AAA through G7ZZZ series of callsigns. Litchman can be reached at 26 Oak Tree Close, Loughton, Essex IG10 2RE, in the U-K. ** WORLDBEAT – NEW ZEALAND: ZL1AN HONORED FOR EDUCATIONAL WORK And a word of congratulations to New Zealand’s Dr. Gary Bold, ZL1AN. Bold is a physics lecturer at the University of Auckland and he has been awarded the Prime Ministers Supreme Prize based in part on his 43 years of dedication to teaching. Bold has taught every course in the physics department, all courses in geophysics signal processing and network theory. He has also devised and revised experiments and designed the curriculum for many second and third year physics courses. A dedicated C-W enthusiast, in his spare time he writes the NZART Break-In Magazine column "The Morseman." The presentation was made at the recent 2004 Tertiary Teaching Excellence Awards. ZL1AN was one of 12 academics from nine institutions presented with awards, each of which brings with it a $30,000 prize. ** DX In D-X, word that several O-H prefix operators will be operational from Aland Island as OH0I during the CQ Magazine and RTTY Journal RTTY DX Contest. This, from September 25th to the 26th. They will operate as a Multi class 2 entry using multiple beams and vertical arrays on the low bands. QSL via OH3BHL. And keep an ear open in September for RA3AMG from Cyprus. He will also be active in the same contest signing P3B. QSL via his home callsign. Lastly, ST2DX will be active from the Sudan until the 10th of July. Look for him mainly on SSB, with some CW, on all bands between 30 and 6 meters. QSL this one as directed on the air. ** THAT FINAL ITEM – HAMMIN’ OLDIES ON WBCQ And finally this week… who says hams and short wave listeners are nothing but a bunch of stuffy old geezers? The Peacock Project is a group of Internet broadcasters that have banded together to present a variety of music eras, styles and talk over WBCQ on Saturday nights at 8PM Eastern time, which is Midnight Universal Time, Sunday. Named in tribute to one of their group, Rob Peacock, who suddenly passed away in January, the show features a different host each week with a program that is unique to his own musical preference and personal presentation. The first weekend of every month will feature Dave Kirby's look back at Old Time Radio and some non-English language versions of American songs. The second weekend is The Voice of Savage Henry, a 1960's and 70's "Garage Band" rock show hosted by Steve Evanchuck, KG8KO. Tim Gaynor is heard directly from Australia on the 3rd week and the 4th week is S teve Coletti, aka “Big Steve Cole”. Four times a year there is a 5th Saturday to the month and on those weekends it is time for "Hollow-State Hound", a show scheduled to feature big band music with Mike "The DX Hound". The broadcasters got together in an odd way, and going on WBCQ's 7415 kHz frequency is like going home to where it all started. A few years ago there was a group of ham radio operators who were also listeners to shortwave broadcasters and utility stations. Under the umbrella organization of the Association Of North American Radio Clubs, (ANARC), they would join into a ham traffic net every Sunday morning on 7240 kHz to compare their station loggings. While the net still has a lot of good memories for those who joined in or only listened in, the group eventually disbanded. The net then moved to an Internet Relay Chat channel that was already in existence. To a few die hard members like Dave Kirby, N1DK, the discontinuance of the radio net was only a minor setback. Dave began doing weekly reports by way of the Cyber Shortwave real audio file that was available for download by anyone. It was at the suggestion of member Pete Costello that Dave began doing his presentations as a live interactive program by way of sending sound via live365.com and receiving typed comments back from listeners via the IRC chat channel. As loggings and SWL news tapered off, Dave began doing more music and off topic bantering. This led the powers that be at the chat room to ask Dave to create his own chat room for the show. The kick in the butt turned out to be a blessing as now the door was opened for others who wanted to do interactive radio using Dave's chat room We hope that you will enjoy the diversity of programming that these enterprising hams and SWLs have created. The Peacock Project begins July 3rd on WBCQ at 7415 kHz and your fellow broadcasters, hams and SWLs at the Amateur Radio Newsline wish you the best. ** NEWSCAST CLOSE With thanks to Alan Labs, AMSAT, the ARRL, the CGC Communicator, CQ Magazine, the FCC, the Ohio Penn DX Bulletin, Radio Netherlands, Rain, the RSGB and Australia's Q-News, that's all from the Amateur Radio Newsline(tm). Our e-mail address is newsline @arnewsline.org. More information is available at Amateur Radio Newsline's(tm) only official website located at www.arnewsline.org. You can also write to us or support us at Amateur Radio Newsline(tm), P.O. Box 660937, Arcadia, California 91066. Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF, is away on vacation this week, so with Mark Abramowicz, N-T-3-V, as my partner this week, I’m Don Wilbanks, AE5DW, saying 73 and we thank you for listening." Amateur Radio Newsline(tm) is Copyright 2004. All rights reserved. |
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From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/8/2004 1:04 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --271319565-585688423-1089094395=:60 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Don't encourage SPAMLINE by posting replies here. Well isn't THAT ironic, Dieter...Haven't noticed YOU posting much at all, lately, and then when you DO post, it's in a thread that you ask people to NOT post in! Seems pretty ironic to me! Remember that the newsgroup hierarchy guidelines state that "ARN" has been given permission to post on "rec.radio.info" and "rec.radio.amateur.misc" - but "rec.radio.amateur.policy" isn't among the list of places they should be posting their "news" (which for stories local to Southern California is often more so political CRAP than truth). They can't even figure out that MIME encoding is WRONG for usenet. YadaYadaYada. YOUR posts arguing against his occassional postings here probably give him MORE publicity than if you just deleted his post and let it be done with. At least it is directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... At least it is directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. Hear, hear! Charles Brabham, N5PVL |
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"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... At least it is directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. Hear, hear! Charles Brabham, N5PVL And not crazy! |
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
... At least it is directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. But still a guidelines/charter violation nonetheless. |
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From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/10/2004 3:10 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: ... At least it is directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. But still a guidelines/charter violation nonetheless. Bwaaaaaa. Bwaaaaaa. Bwaaaaaa. 99.99999 percent of the "stuff" that transpires in this NG is NOT related to Amateur Radio, or is related only by virtue of the fact that the author is a licensed Amateur. YOUR only reason for fussing about this is that Bill Pasternak has hit some sensitive chord with you, and you don't like it. Oh well...Take an Excedrin. I don't see you "protesting" any of the "ENLARGE YOUR !@#$%" spam, or the "MAKE MONEY FAST" spam, nor do I see you protesting any of the "SEE MY TEEN WIFE !@#$%^" spam. NONE of that is even REMOTELY related to Amateur Radio, yet where's Dieter's outrageous indignation about THOSE "guidelines/charter violation(s)"...?!?! I reiterate my previous assertion: It's directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. Much of what is in Bill's "news releases" IS pertinent to Amateur Radio policy discussions....And certainly MORE pertinent than most of the other stuff that transpires here. All I can say is that what ever Bill did/said that got you in such a wedgie must have hit pretty close to home! You're obviously still stinging from it! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ... From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/10/2004 3:10 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: ... At least it is directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. But still a guidelines/charter violation nonetheless. Bwaaaaaa. Bwaaaaaa. Bwaaaaaa. 99.99999 percent of the "stuff" that transpires in this NG is NOT related to Amateur Radio, or is related only by virtue of the fact that the author is a licensed Amateur. YOUR only reason for fussing about this is that Bill Pasternak has hit some sensitive chord with you, and you don't like it. Oh well...Take an Excedrin. I don't see you "protesting" any of the "ENLARGE YOUR !@#$%" spam, or the "MAKE MONEY FAST" spam, nor do I see you protesting any of the "SEE MY TEEN WIFE !@#$%^" spam. Like ANYONE can do anything about the spam problem nowadays?.... NONE of that is even REMOTELY related to Amateur Radio, yet where's Dieter's outrageous indignation about THOSE "guidelines/charter violation(s)"...?!?! SO? That just means that I chose to put my resources where I CAN accomplish an end to the violation.... I reiterate my previous assertion: It's directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. Much of what is in Bill's "news releases" IS pertinent to Amateur Radio policy discussions....And certainly MORE pertinent than most of the other stuff that transpires here. All I can say is that what ever Bill did/said that got you in such a wedgie must have hit pretty close to home! You're obviously still stinging from it! 1) I have not made it any secret what he has done to one of my associates by misreporting the story he was involved in. 2) If newsline is supposed to be a "non-profit" operation then why is BP practically LIVING off of the donations? There are laws that govern what "reasonable compensation" is for a non-profit, and he's exceeding them, as I have previously demonstrated. |
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From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/12/2004 1:38 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ... I don't see you "protesting" any of the "ENLARGE YOUR !@#$%" spam, or the "MAKE MONEY FAST" spam, nor do I see you protesting any of the "SEE MY TEEN WIFE !@#$%^" spam. Like ANYONE can do anything about the spam problem nowadays?.... Seem's to me AOL and Yahoo are. Some pretty hefty lawsuits are in the mill. NONE of that is even REMOTELY related to Amateur Radio, yet where's Dieter's outrageous indignation about THOSE "guidelines/charter violation(s)"...?!?! SO? That just means that I chose to put my resources where I CAN accomplish an end to the violation.... No, it doesn't. It means that your ulterior motives are glaring. This is not about "spam". It's about Dieter Stussy-vs-Bill Pasternak. Period. I reiterate my previous assertion: It's directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. Much of what is in Bill's "news releases" IS pertinent to Amateur Radio policy discussions....And certainly MORE pertinent than most of the other stuff that transpires here. All I can say is that what ever Bill did/said that got you in such a wedgie must have hit pretty close to home! You're obviously still stinging from it! 1) I have not made it any secret what he has done to one of my associates by misreporting the story he was involved in. 2) If newsline is supposed to be a "non-profit" operation then why is BP practically LIVING off of the donations? There are laws that govern what "reasonable compensation" is for a non-profit, and he's exceeding them, as I have previously demonstrated. You've only demonstrated that you're PO'ed at Bill Pasternak. If you want to make your point, why don't you either document your concerns to the FCC or the IRS, since they are the two most likely agencies to have an official opinion on the matter... Lastly, the federal tax codes allow for a percentage of "charitable donations" to be used for administrative (eg: salaries) purposes. I've met Bill Pasternak and I dare say he's sharp enough to have made sure that his finances are TDC with the law. Unless you can prove differently...?!?!? (My bet's on "PO'd indignation" more than valid complaint) 73 Steve, K4YZ |
"D. Stussy" ) writes:
1) I have not made it any secret what he has done to one of my associates by misreporting the story he was involved in. 2) If newsline is supposed to be a "non-profit" operation then why is BP practically LIVING off of the donations? There are laws that govern what "reasonable compensation" is for a non-profit, and he's exceeding them, as I have previously demonstrated. Where in the world do you get that weird concept? Non-profit means there can be no profit, to pass on to shareholders (or whatever). You can have a non-profit organization that makes money. But, they have to put the profit back into organization. And any but really small non-profit organizations, such as the local ham club, have staff. What they get paid may depend on the financial soundness of the organization, but there is nothing to limit what they get paid simply because it's a non-profit organization. I'm sure many non-profits would argue that by paying a good salaray to key people, they are able to operate well. Michael VE2BVW |
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ... From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/12/2004 1:38 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ... I don't see you "protesting" any of the "ENLARGE YOUR !@#$%" spam, or the "MAKE MONEY FAST" spam, nor do I see you protesting any of the "SEE MY TEEN WIFE !@#$%^" spam. Like ANYONE can do anything about the spam problem nowadays?.... Seem's to me AOL and Yahoo are. Some pretty hefty lawsuits are in the mill. NONE of that is even REMOTELY related to Amateur Radio, yet where's Dieter's outrageous indignation about THOSE "guidelines/charter violation(s)"...?!?! SO? That just means that I chose to put my resources where I CAN accomplish an end to the violation.... No, it doesn't. It means that your ulterior motives are glaring. This is not about "spam". It's about Dieter Stussy-vs-Bill Pasternak. Period. I reiterate my previous assertion: It's directly pertinent TO Amateur Radio, BY a licensed Radio Amateur IN an Amateur Radio forum. Much of what is in Bill's "news releases" IS pertinent to Amateur Radio policy discussions....And certainly MORE pertinent than most of the other stuff that transpires here. All I can say is that what ever Bill did/said that got you in such a wedgie must have hit pretty close to home! You're obviously still stinging from it! 1) I have not made it any secret what he has done to one of my associates by misreporting the story he was involved in. 2) If newsline is supposed to be a "non-profit" operation then why is BP practically LIVING off of the donations? There are laws that govern what "reasonable compensation" is for a non-profit, and he's exceeding them, as I have previously demonstrated. You've only demonstrated that you're PO'ed at Bill Pasternak. ....And if you knew how he, at best, twisted the truth, or at worst, outright lied, then you wouldn't trust him either. The specific case I cite is of historical record in this group. I was not personally involved, but do know the parties who were - and the truth of their stories. If you want to make your point, why don't you either document your concerns to the FCC or the IRS, since they are the two most likely agencies to have an official opinion on the matter... Lastly, the federal tax codes allow for a percentage of "charitable donations" to be used for administrative (eg: salaries) purposes. I've met Bill Pasternak and I dare say he's sharp enough to have made sure that his finances are TDC with the law. Unless you can prove differently...?!?!? (My bet's on "PO'd indignation" more than valid complaint) You don't have to tell me what the IRS allows - remember that I used to BE a "revenuer." The only way for "newsline" to have expenses exceeding $1k/month, after comparing their operations to that of others like "RAIN" and "TWIAR" is if BP is paying himself a salary that is at least 50% of that amount - much more than what he is representing to the public. I haven't gotten around to pulling his form 990 yet (via a request on form 4506-A), but we already know what we're going to find there.... You will note that it's no secret that I have done a form 990 search on one of the local amateur repeater frequency coordination organizations a few years ago, and upon finding no filings (yet a collection of "dues" from members), asked the NFCC to decertify them. This was in addition to their failure to even acknowledge coordination applications filed with them or act on any (any action - acceptance, denial, or even receipt). That particular group has since become a bit "more responsible" to the public since then.... Be careful about what you suggest - you may get it. Additionally, there is no legitimate purpose for him to post his entire transcript weekly. Those who want to read it will go to his website where it exists and don't need it here. To post it here (instead of merely posting a link to it when it is revised each week) is SPAM - and YOU KNOW IT. |
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Michael Black wrote:
"D. Stussy" ) writes: 1) I have not made it any secret what he has done to one of my associates by misreporting the story he was involved in. 2) If newsline is supposed to be a "non-profit" operation then why is BP practically LIVING off of the donations? There are laws that govern what "reasonable compensation" is for a non-profit, and he's exceeding them, as I have previously demonstrated. Where in the world do you get that weird concept? From his public statement that it costs newsline $1k/month to do its business, when his nearest "competitors," RAIN and TWIAR do it for $100.00/month. The only way that it can cost newsline 10x as much is if he is compensating people for the activity (which in itself is permitted), but it is the extent of the compensation that must be occuring that is of concern.... The "ARRL news" is not comparable because it's part of a larger organization that does other things and we don't have the requisite information to separate just the news-gathering costs from the other activities. Non-profit means there can be no profit, to pass on to shareholders (or whatever). You can have a non-profit organization that makes money. But, they have to put the profit back into organization. ....But not into the shareholders' or employees' pockets beyond "reasonable" compensation. The issue is that in this case, it appears that the compensation exceeds that which is reasonable after comparison to that of his closest competitors.... And any but really small non-profit organizations, such as the local ham club, have staff. What they get paid may depend on the financial soundness of the organization, but there is nothing to limit what they get paid simply because it's a non-profit organization. I'm sure many non-profits would argue that by paying a good salaray to key people, they are able to operate well. Ah, but when more than 50% of the gross receipts go to salary, then what it really becomes is a conduit to merely compensate.... Let's look at the information that has been made public about this type of activity: The competitors report that it costs them $100/month in phone calls and other administrative functions, so lets give ARN that. They do not compensate their news gatherers. In addition to that expense, ARN maintains and distributes its bulletin by phone line (an expense that TWIAR and RAIN don't have). Various phone numbers across the country are sponsored by OTHER GROUPS, but the Santa Clarita main number ARN pays for itself. Between Verizon (formerly GTE) and SBC (formerly Pacific Bell), Verizon has the higher rates. [I don't know which telco actually serves the number, but even if we assume the more costly one, at worse, we're overestimating the cost but not by much.] A flat-rate area phone number costs about $29/month after taxes, but lets assume that his call to update that isn't local but intra-lata long distance, so let's call that expense $50/month. We've now accounted for $150/month of expenses, but ARN reports that it costs $1k/month, so where is this other $850/month actually going? There may be some additional overhead for the web site and domain name, but there is no way that one will find enough of those or any other expenses sufficient to explain the cost of $1k/month OTHER THAN salary that BP puts into his own pocket. I conclude that about and no less than 75% of every donation ends up in his pocket - and that is a conservative estimate. If this is wrong, then why, when I challenged him on this, he would NOT disclose where or how the donated funds are being allocated? My assertion is simple: He doesn't want to tell the public that this is really a scheme. That's the ONLY reason why any [IRC 501(c)(3), since he claims deductibility] non-profit would not provide a breakout of how their donations are applied. Note: If ARN is a non-profit, but not under subsection 501(c)(3), then donations to it are NOT tax deductible (nor is a form 990 necessarily required by them - but a different form may be), but then to state to the public that the donations are deductible would be an act of fraud that is prosecutable. |
"D. Stussy" wrote in message rg...
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Michael Black wrote: "D. Stussy" ) writes: 1) I have not made it any secret what he has done to one of my associates by misreporting the story he was involved in. 2) If newsline is supposed to be a "non-profit" operation then why is BP practically LIVING off of the donations? There are laws that govern what "reasonable compensation" is for a non-profit, and he's exceeding them, as I have previously demonstrated. Where in the world do you get that weird concept? From his public statement that it costs newsline $1k/month to do its business, when his nearest "competitors," RAIN and TWIAR do it for $100.00/month. The only way that it can cost newsline 10x as much is if he is compensating people for the activity (which in itself is permitted), but it is the extent of the compensation that must be occuring that is of concern.... So...Let me get this straight...You're PO'ed because BP is legally compensating people "more" for thier inputs than other sources do thiers...?!?! Dieter, YOU are in the WRONG country, My friend! The "ARRL news" is not comparable because it's part of a larger organization that does other things and we don't have the requisite information to separate just the news-gathering costs from the other activities. That's an excuse, Dieter. They certainly CAN seperate those expenses. Non-profit means there can be no profit, to pass on to shareholders (or whatever). You can have a non-profit organization that makes money. But, they have to put the profit back into organization. ...But not into the shareholders' or employees' pockets beyond "reasonable" compensation. The issue is that in this case, it appears that the compensation exceeds that which is reasonable after comparison to that of his closest competitors.... So...MY question is who in the heck is Dieter Stussy to determine what is fair and reasonable compensation for doing a legal thing...?!?! And any but really small non-profit organizations, such as the local ham club, have staff. What they get paid may depend on the financial soundness of the organization, but there is nothing to limit what they get paid simply because it's a non-profit organization. I'm sure many non-profits would argue that by paying a good salaray to key people, they are able to operate well. Ah, but when more than 50% of the gross receipts go to salary, then what it really becomes is a conduit to merely compensate.... Let's look at the information that has been made public about this type of activity: The competitors report that it costs them $100/month in phone calls and other administrative functions, so lets give ARN that. They do not compensate their news gatherers. But so far...even by your own admission, what Bill's doing is legal and your only "beef" is that he's not doing it for free. In addition to that expense, ARN maintains and distributes its bulletin by phone line (an expense that TWIAR and RAIN don't have). Various phone numbers across the country are sponsored by OTHER GROUPS, but the Santa Clarita main number ARN pays for itself. Between Verizon (formerly GTE) and SBC (formerly Pacific Bell), Verizon has the higher rates. [I don't know which telco actually serves the number, but even if we assume the more costly one, at worse, we're overestimating the cost but not by much.] A flat-rate area phone number costs about $29/month after taxes, but lets assume that his call to update that isn't local but intra-lata long distance, so let's call that expense $50/month. A "flat rate" number at $29 might be for residential service, but certainly not for a business, even a charitable one. We've now accounted for $150/month of expenses, but ARN reports that it costs $1k/month, so where is this other $850/month actually going? There may be some additional overhead for the web site and domain name, but there is no way that one will find enough of those or any other expenses sufficient to explain the cost of $1k/month OTHER THAN salary that BP puts into his own pocket. I conclude that about and no less than 75% of every donation ends up in his pocket - and that is a conservative estimate. If this is wrong, then why, when I challenged him on this, he would NOT disclose where or how the donated funds are being allocated? My assertion is simple: He doesn't want to tell the public that this is really a scheme. Is it? WHAT has Bill offered in exchange for the funds that he HASN'T provided? It's not a "get rich quick" scheme, and he's certainly not offering snake oil or other homeopathic remedies. He HAS offered to run this service as long as he can do so and keep himself fed and housed. And until I see him living on a beach in Malibu or driving a Jag, you've not convinced me for one that he's bilking ANYone out of ANYthing. And at todays valuation, just exactly what do you think he's doing with that money? That's the ONLY reason why any [IRC 501(c)(3), since he claims deductibility] non-profit would not provide a breakout of how their donations are applied. Note: If ARN is a non-profit, but not under subsection 501(c)(3), then donations to it are NOT tax deductible (nor is a form 990 necessarily required by them - but a different form may be), but then to state to the public that the donations are deductible would be an act of fraud that is prosecutable. Then stop your incessant whining and refer it to the Attorney General's office. If you're not sufficiently confident that you can make a case to him that BP is doing something illegal, then chances are he's NOT doing anything illegal. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ...
From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/17/2004 8:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ... You've only demonstrated that you're PO'ed at Bill Pasternak. ...And if you knew how he, at best, twisted the truth, or at worst, outright lied, then you wouldn't trust him either. The specific case I cite is of historical record in this group. I was not personally involved, but do know the parties who were - and the truth of their stories. So far all I have seen is your side of this, and not much else. I do know Bill...we're not exactly "old drinking buddies", but neither do I have any reason to doubt HIS sincerity or honesty. If you want to make your point, why don't you either document your concerns to the FCC or the IRS, since they are the two most likely agencies to have an official opinion on the matter... Lastly, the federal tax codes allow for a percentage of "charitable donations" to be used for administrative (eg: salaries) purposes. I've met Bill Pasternak and I dare say he's sharp enough to have made sure that his finances are TDC with the law. Unless you can prove differently...?!?!? (My bet's on "PO'd indignation" more than valid complaint) You don't have to tell me what the IRS allows - remember that I used to BE a "revenuer." The only way for "newsline" to have expenses exceeding $1k/month, after comparing their operations to that of others like "RAIN" and "TWIAR" is if BP is paying himself a salary that is at least 50% of that amount - much more than what he is representing to the public. I haven't gotten around to pulling his form 990 yet (via a request on form 4506-A), but we already know what we're going to find there.... We "KNOW"....?!?! No, "we" don't. You've been whining about his posts here for over two years now Dieter and I haven't seen a single thing that indicates that you've done anything BUT whine about it. Nor do I think it would be a wise idea on your part. You will note that it's no secret that I have done a form 990 search on one of the local amateur repeater frequency coordination organizations a few years ago, and upon finding no filings (yet a collection of "dues" from members), asked the NFCC to decertify them. This was in addition to their failure to even acknowledge coordination applications filed with them or act on any (any action - acceptance, denial, or even receipt). That particular group has since become a bit "more responsible" to the public since then.... Be careful about what you suggest - you may get it. Then all you will have done is proven that you were right and I was wrong...the world will go on. I would say "Gee, Dieter, you were right". I might even send you a gift certificate for dinner on me... So far all I see is your personal dislike for Bill Pasternak. However if he WERE investigated by the IRS, these archives could be used to validate a personal vendetta by you against him...Since you seem to "know it all" when it comes to IRS policies and procedures, I assume you ALSO know what recourse Bill could have should it be proven that you tried to use the IRS as a source of intimidation against him, don't you...?!?! Additionally, there is no legitimate purpose for him to post his entire transcript weekly. Those who want to read it will go to his website where it exists and don't need it here. To post it here (instead of merely posting a link to it when it is revised each week) is SPAM - and YOU KNOW IT. It is NOT spam, Dieter. The content IS relevent to Amateur Radio practice AND policies, therefore is absolutely pertinent to this forum. If you don't want to read it, skip over it. When I open my newsreader I can see the thread title, and if it's obviously spam (the aforementioned "SEE MY TEEN WIFE..." kinda crap), has anything to do with N0VFP, AB8MQ or "Twistedhed", I simply mark ir "READ" and that's that. Good luck making your case. If I were asked to render an opinion on the matter to a federal investigator, you know how I'd vote. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote in message rg... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Michael Black wrote: "D. Stussy" ) writes: 1) I have not made it any secret what he has done to one of my associates by misreporting the story he was involved in. 2) If newsline is supposed to be a "non-profit" operation then why is BP practically LIVING off of the donations? There are laws that govern what "reasonable compensation" is for a non-profit, and he's exceeding them, as I have previously demonstrated. Where in the world do you get that weird concept? From his public statement that it costs newsline $1k/month to do its business, when his nearest "competitors," RAIN and TWIAR do it for $100.00/month. The only way that it can cost newsline 10x as much is if he is compensating people for the activity (which in itself is permitted), but it is the extent of the compensation that must be occuring that is of concern.... So...Let me get this straight...You're PO'ed because BP is legally compensating people "more" for thier inputs than other sources do thiers...?!?! Dieter, YOU are in the WRONG country, My friend! The FACT that he is compensating himself "some amount" isn't the problem. It's the AMOUNT of compensation and the fact that he REFUSES to disclose that to the public that is the problem. The "ARRL news" is not comparable because it's part of a larger organization that does other things and we don't have the requisite information to separate just the news-gathering costs from the other activities. That's an excuse, Dieter. They certainly CAN seperate those expenses. I am certain that they can, but I haven't seen those separated out in a public statement, so I can't use them to compare. Non-profit means there can be no profit, to pass on to shareholders (or whatever). You can have a non-profit organization that makes money. But, they have to put the profit back into organization. ...But not into the shareholders' or employees' pockets beyond "reasonable" compensation. The issue is that in this case, it appears that the compensation exceeds that which is reasonable after comparison to that of his closest competitors.... So...MY question is who in the heck is Dieter Stussy to determine what is fair and reasonable compensation for doing a legal thing...?!?! A person who is a member of the PUBLIC who is questioning and HAS THE RIGHT TO QUESTION a charity into its reasonableness, else ask the IRS to revoke its non-profit status. And any but really small non-profit organizations, such as the local ham club, have staff. What they get paid may depend on the financial soundness of the organization, but there is nothing to limit what they get paid simply because it's a non-profit organization. I'm sure many non-profits would argue that by paying a good salaray to key people, they are able to operate well. Ah, but when more than 50% of the gross receipts go to salary, then what it really becomes is a conduit to merely compensate.... Let's look at the information that has been made public about this type of activity: The competitors report that it costs them $100/month in phone calls and other administrative functions, so lets give ARN that. They do not compensate their news gatherers. But so far...even by your own admission, what Bill's doing is legal and your only "beef" is that he's not doing it for free. I do not agree that what he is doing is legal. He has not disclosed when asked and non-profits MUST disclose. In addition to that expense, ARN maintains and distributes its bulletin by phone line (an expense that TWIAR and RAIN don't have). Various phone numbers across the country are sponsored by OTHER GROUPS, but the Santa Clarita main number ARN pays for itself. Between Verizon (formerly GTE) and SBC (formerly Pacific Bell), Verizon has the higher rates. [I don't know which telco actually serves the number, but even if we assume the more costly one, at worse, we're overestimating the cost but not by much.] A flat-rate area phone number costs about $29/month after taxes, but lets assume that his call to update that isn't local but intra-lata long distance, so let's call that expense $50/month. A "flat rate" number at $29 might be for residential service, but certainly not for a business, even a charitable one. The amount I used is also about the same for business use customers per line. Look it up in the phone book. The difference is less than $2/month. We've now accounted for $150/month of expenses, but ARN reports that it costs $1k/month, so where is this other $850/month actually going? There may be some additional overhead for the web site and domain name, but there is no way that one will find enough of those or any other expenses sufficient to explain the cost of $1k/month OTHER THAN salary that BP puts into his own pocket. I conclude that about and no less than 75% of every donation ends up in his pocket - and that is a conservative estimate. If this is wrong, then why, when I challenged him on this, he would NOT disclose where or how the donated funds are being allocated? My assertion is simple: He doesn't want to tell the public that this is really a scheme. Is it? WHAT has Bill offered in exchange for the funds that he HASN'T provided? It's not a "get rich quick" scheme, and he's certainly not offering snake oil or other homeopathic remedies. He HAS offered to run this service as long as he can do so and keep himself fed and housed. And until I see him living on a beach in Malibu or driving a Jag, you've not convinced me for one that he's bilking ANYone out of ANYthing. And at todays valuation, just exactly what do you think he's doing with that money? That's the ONLY reason why any [IRC 501(c)(3), since he claims deductibility] non-profit would not provide a breakout of how their donations are applied. Note: If ARN is a non-profit, but not under subsection 501(c)(3), then donations to it are NOT tax deductible (nor is a form 990 necessarily required by them - but a different form may be), but then to state to the public that the donations are deductible would be an act of fraud that is prosecutable. Then stop your incessant whining and refer it to the Attorney General's office. You asked me to explain my position. My "whining" is at your request. ....Also, who's to say that I haven't referred him to the state's AG or to the IRS (to challenge his non-profit status)? This all started by my comments about his posts being SPAM on this group. You asked why. I'd say that you got more than what you asked for. If you're not sufficiently confident that you can make a case to him that BP is doing something illegal, then chances are he's NOT doing anything illegal. Or he is hiding his fraud on the public extremely well. Remember that the "best" conspiricy is the one that no one knows about. |
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ... From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/17/2004 8:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline ... You've only demonstrated that you're PO'ed at Bill Pasternak. ...And if you knew how he, at best, twisted the truth, or at worst, outright lied, then you wouldn't trust him either. The specific case I cite is of historical record in this group. I was not personally involved, but do know the parties who were - and the truth of their stories. So far all I have seen is your side of this, and not much else. I do know Bill...we're not exactly "old drinking buddies", but neither do I have any reason to doubt HIS sincerity or honesty. Here's why I doubt his honesty: Some years ago, he reported on a conflict between a Los Angeles repeater that was put up on the frequency pair of 145.460 (output) and a Mexican repeater on the same pair. I witnessed him personally talk to some Mexicans about this at a local amateur radio convention aboard the Queen Mary. However, at no point did he even ATTEMPT to contact the owners of the L.A. repeater (whom I personally know and still see one of them once per month as he is a volunteer examiner in the same testing team as I am in). BP reported in his ARN, making several statements about this situation that were outright false. BTW, the trustee had a listed home telephone number that is even today still in service (as the number to call about testing). As a true news reporter, one is supposed to make an UNBIASED report, seeking out BOTH sides of a dispute; he did not do that. It would be different if he sought out one side of the conflict and that party declined to go "on the record" - but such is not the case. Supposedly, BP also works for Fox News, so he should know how to do proper journalism even if he isn't one of their reporters. I can list several factual points that were incorrectly reported about this incident, but I don't see the need. The list doesn't aid my point. From that point onward, it is clear that he is a biased and untrustworty reporter who is NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. Combine that with the only conclusion that can be made about the funding and expenditure of ARN and his failure to disclose such when asked and required to by law - that he is putting the majority of contributions into his own pocket, and you should get what I reasonably conclude: That he is a lying weasel who is bilking the [amateur radio] public out of their money by using a alleged non-profit as a front. I could probably get more truthful information about amateur radio from "The National Enquirer" than I could from Bill Pasternak. If you want to make your point, why don't you either document your concerns to the FCC or the IRS, since they are the two most likely agencies to have an official opinion on the matter... Lastly, the federal tax codes allow for a percentage of "charitable donations" to be used for administrative (eg: salaries) purposes. I've met Bill Pasternak and I dare say he's sharp enough to have made sure that his finances are TDC with the law. Unless you can prove differently...?!?!? (My bet's on "PO'd indignation" more than valid complaint) You don't have to tell me what the IRS allows - remember that I used to BE a "revenuer." The only way for "newsline" to have expenses exceeding $1k/month, after comparing their operations to that of others like "RAIN" and "TWIAR" is if BP is paying himself a salary that is at least 50% of that amount - much more than what he is representing to the public. I haven't gotten around to pulling his form 990 yet (via a request on form 4506-A), but we already know what we're going to find there.... We "KNOW"....?!?! No, "we" don't. You've been whining about his posts here for over two years now Dieter and I haven't seen a single thing that indicates that you've done anything BUT whine about it. Nor do I think it would be a wise idea on your part. You will note that it's no secret that I have done a form 990 search on one of the local amateur repeater frequency coordination organizations a few years ago, and upon finding no filings (yet a collection of "dues" from members), asked the NFCC to decertify them. This was in addition to their failure to even acknowledge coordination applications filed with them or act on any (any action - acceptance, denial, or even receipt). That particular group has since become a bit "more responsible" to the public since then.... Be careful about what you suggest - you may get it. Then all you will have done is proven that you were right and I was wrong...the world will go on. I would say "Gee, Dieter, you were right". I might even send you a gift certificate for dinner on me... So far all I see is your personal dislike for Bill Pasternak. However if he WERE investigated by the IRS, these archives could be used to validate a personal vendetta by you against him...Since you seem to "know it all" when it comes to IRS policies and procedures, I assume you ALSO know what recourse Bill could have should it be proven that you tried to use the IRS as a source of intimidation against him, don't you...?!?! Of course: That's why WHEN the complaint against him goes in, it will be well documented. There is no recourse against a well-founded complaint (even if it should be proven wrong). Additionally, there is no legitimate purpose for him to post his entire transcript weekly. Those who want to read it will go to his website where it exists and don't need it here. To post it here (instead of merely posting a link to it when it is revised each week) is SPAM - and YOU KNOW IT. It is NOT spam, Dieter. The content IS relevent to Amateur Radio practice AND policies, therefore is absolutely pertinent to this forum. You forget that the newsgroup charter FORBIDS its posting. Periodic bulletins require permission - and he has permission to post only on "rec.radio.info" and "rec.radio.amateur.misc", not to "rec.radio.amateur.policy." Furthermore, he KNOWS this because he is the one who sought permission to post to the other groups in the first place. It is SPAM because is it a regular posting in violation of group policy referring to a web site. If you don't want to read it, skip over it. When I open my newsreader I can see the thread title, and if it's obviously spam (the aforementioned "SEE MY TEEN WIFE..." kinda crap), has anything to do with N0VFP, AB8MQ or "Twistedhed", I simply mark ir "READ" and that's that. There is alot of spam that is not easily traceable. This one, ARN, is. That's why I have pursued it. Good luck making your case. If I were asked to render an opinion on the matter to a federal investigator, you know how I'd vote. As one of those he has scammed, I bet. |
"D. Stussy" wrote in message g... As a true news reporter, one is supposed to make an UNBIASED report, seeking out BOTH sides of a dispute; he did not do that. It would be different if he sought out one side of the conflict and that party declined to go "on the record" - but such is not the case. Supposedly, BP also works for Fox News, so he should know how to do proper journalism even if he isn't one of their reporters. There appears to be no reporter today who meets that ideal of unbiased reporting. From that point onward, it is clear that he is a biased and untrustworty reporter who is NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. As appears to be the case with any news media today. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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From: "D. Stussy" Date: 7/19/2004 1:33 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote: The FACT that he is compensating himself "some amount" isn't the problem. It's the AMOUNT of compensation and the fact that he REFUSES to disclose that to the public that is the problem. I've had some interesting "back channel" conversations with people who should know what's going on, and so far these people don't know who Dieter Stussy is, nor why he's running off at the mouth about Bill Pasternak. The "ARRL news" is not comparable because it's part of a larger organization that does other things and we don't have the requisite information to separate just the news-gathering costs from the other activities. That's an excuse, Dieter. They certainly CAN seperate those expenses. I am certain that they can, but I haven't seen those separated out in a public statement, so I can't use them to compare. I am willing to be the ARRL, worth figures in seven or eight digits, spends a bit more than $1000 a month in it's "news" gathering and distribution. And I bet the folks a the League, also a 501(c)(3) organization, get compensated rather adequately. So...MY question is who in the heck is Dieter Stussy to determine what is fair and reasonable compensation for doing a legal thing...?!?! A person who is a member of the PUBLIC who is questioning and HAS THE RIGHT TO QUESTION a charity into its reasonableness, else ask the IRS to revoke its non-profit status. I didn't question your "right" to question, Dieter. I asked who were YOU to decide WHAT is fair and reasonable. What credentials make YOU qualified to suggest that you know what Bill ought to be bringing in, keeping, etc... But so far...even by your own admission, what Bill's doing is legal and your only "beef" is that he's not doing it for free. I do not agree that what he is doing is legal. He has not disclosed when asked and non-profits MUST disclose. Then why hasn't the IRS doen something about it? My take on this is that he IS "disclos(ing)" what the IRS wants to see, and you're just not happy with what YOU see...Ever since Jim and Tammy Bakker screwed over thier "congregation", the IRS has been very acutely aware of what goes on with "non-profits". A "flat rate" number at $29 might be for residential service, but certainly not for a business, even a charitable one. The amount I used is also about the same for business use customers per line. Look it up in the phone book. The difference is less than $2/month. "The book" is not the same in all communities, Dieter. Then stop your incessant whining and refer it to the Attorney General's office. You asked me to explain my position. My "whining" is at your request. ...Also, who's to say that I haven't referred him to the state's AG or to the IRS (to challenge his non-profit status)? No...your "whining" is at your own initiation, otherwise we wouldn't be having these exchanges. And like I said about your "complaints" to the AG or IRS...It may very well backfire on you. As a matter of fact, I bet on it. This all started by my comments about his posts being SPAM on this group. You asked why. I'd say that you got more than what you asked for. Nope...I'd say that YOU were the one who got more than they bargained for. Sorry you don't agree, but I think you're going to pursue this and find yourself getting your nose rubbbed in it. If you're not sufficiently confident that you can make a case to him that BP is doing something illegal, then chances are he's NOT doing anything illegal. Or he is hiding his fraud on the public extremely well. Remember that the "best" conspiricy is the one that no one knows about. You are accusing a well known and respected person of commiting fraud in a public forum. I think you're going to get your nose rubbed in it. I think your best response to the whole deal is to just click over the thread when it pops up. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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From: (William) Date: 7/19/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... And I bet "the list" could and would only be viewed as a "he said/she said", and that life goes on. There are issues a whole lot more important than this flimsy complaint about a story YOU claim was misrepresented. From that point onward, it is clear that he is a biased and untrustworty reporter who is NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. YOUR truth, Dieter? Deiter, sounds like the sum total of all Yell Yell Marine postings. Interesting how he can argue both sides out of both sides. I think he missed his calling - he should be an advocate for the devil. Life goes on. Here we go with the "Yell Yell Marine" thing again. Do your ususal "forget the facts" routine, Brain. Works best for you. Steve, K4YZ |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote in message g... As a true news reporter, one is supposed to make an UNBIASED report, seeking out BOTH sides of a dispute; he did not do that. It would be different if he sought out one side of the conflict and that party declined to go "on the record" - but such is not the case. Supposedly, BP also works for Fox News, so he shouldknow how to do proper journalism even if he isn't one of their reporters. There appears to be no reporter today who meets that ideal of unbiased reporting. I doubt there ever was, Dee. When you consider the amount of newsworthy items in the world, just picking *which* story to cover indicates the reporter's or editor's bias. From that point onward, it is clear that he is a biased and untrustworty reporter who is NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. As appears to be the case with any news media today. Pretty much agenda driven. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/20/2004 1:43 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Here we go with the "Yell Yell Marine" thing again. You're the one who did it. But I'm not yelling, Lennie. Those loud voices you are hearing are in YOUR head...not coming from mine. Steve, K4YZ |
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