"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Dee D. Flint wrote:

My point was that he STILL tried to bargain me down even though we both
knew
it was already lower than it should have been.

That's when you tell him that for any better prices, your "good deal
manager" is a lady named Helen Waite. If he wants a better price, he has
to go to ........... 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -


Nah, I'm too polite for that. Besides he bought it at the price I had.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: (William)
Date: 7/10/2004 9:23 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"me" wrote in message
news:BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53...
and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

Ciao,

Me

Welp, there's where you're wrong. Steve is judge, jury, executioner,
undertaker and worm around here. Get used to it. You play by his
rules or you will be stalked into submission.

No submission, Brain.

I just keep pointing out your lack of character and honesty.

No stalking necessary...YOU keep feeding me the stuff necessary.

Thanks.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: (William)
Date: 7/11/2004 8:43 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , clifto
writes:

Dee D. Flint wrote:
Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties
require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

They used to require Morse code. The testing requirements could be
removed just as easily as the Morse requirements were.

And arguments very similar or identical to those used against the Morse
code
exams can be used against almost all of the writtens, too.

Heck, lookat the NCVEC "Communicator" proposal...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Heck, "A Morse Code exam would be a disincentive to Morse Code use."

"Unlicensed radio devices play a major role in emergency comms".

"I admire Len Anderson".

"I operated portable from Somalia"

From "The Anthology Of Really Stupid Remarks of Brian Burke", circa 2004

Steve, K4YZ

Robert Casey wrote:
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd
expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey,
let's do
it...




Won't happen, government budgeting doesn't work that way. All taxes and
fees collected get dumped into one giant pot, and Congress divies it up
regardless of the sources.

That is so they can keep money from agencies that could serve the public
and do some good, to other worthless projects that waste huge amounts of
money and mostly serve their own interest.

Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was selling a
used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to sell
it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both knew
what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked over
the asking price.



He was probably just testing the waters to see if you would go lower.
I've done it...

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's do
it...



Won't happen, government budgeting doesn't work that way. All taxes and
fees collected get dumped into one giant pot, and Congress divies it up
regardless of the sources.

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on
the bands are smokers, too.

I was a smoker for about 40 years (quit 7 years ago) and am a lifelong
unrepentent metabolizer of modest amounts of adult (spirited) beverages.
My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB
24WPM Discipline Problem

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over $48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on the bands are smokers, too.

I was a smoker for about 40 years (quit 7 years ago) and am a lifelong
unrepentent metabolizer of modest amounts of adult (spirited) beverages.
My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB
24WPM Discipline Problem

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "KØHB"
Date: 7/11/2004 7:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: t

I was a smoker for about 40 years (quit 7 years ago) and am a lifelong
unrepentent metabolizer of modest amounts of adult (spirited) beverages.

Well HALLY-LOO-YA Hans...I'm proud of you.

Now, with that extra $2.50/day you're NOT spending on cigarettes, you could
SPONSOR at least 11 other guys for THIER licenses!

My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

With all kind wishes,

Somehow me think you insincere.

Steve, K4YZ

"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net...

My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

Damned repeaters!

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over $48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.


Bingo, Hans. Game, set, match.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: (Hans K0HB)
Date: 7/12/2004 2:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote

....you could SPONSOR at least 11 other guys
for THIER licenses!

More puffery and posturing, Steve?

What puffery and posturing, Hans...?!?!

I'm GLAD you quit smoking...that's one less blue puffer I have to deal
with at 3AM.

Why should I sponsor those who lack the requisite motivation,
committment, dedication, and all that other foolishness you wave about
as required for a properly devout licensee.

Of course, at $750 per license term you'd certainly weed out all but
the affluent hobbiests, now wouldn't you? (Another elitist 'outs'
himself.) Sunuvagun!

Sure do get your short hairs in a knot when you get YOUR tail twisted,
huh...?!?!

Kinda the same knot you tell everyone ELSE to "get over"...Smarts a bit,
eh...?!?!

Maybe you should start practicing a bit of which ye preach...?!?!

With warmest personal regards,

I doubt your sincerity.

de Hans, K0HB
24WPM Disciplinary Problem

de K4YZ
30+WPM non-disciplinary problem

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 7/12/2004 7:13 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over $48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.


Bingo, Hans. Game, set, match.

Hardly, Jim.

Most of the allocations we enjoy are international allocations...not
domestic ones.

And I hardly think that even if our numbers fell by half that we'd lose
any significant part of our allocations...Not any more than what we stand to
lose right now anyway.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


Sure do get your short hairs in a knot when you get YOUR tail twisted,
huh...?!?!


Unlike the Robeson clan, our branch of the human family tree has evolved
beyond having tails, although it might come in handy to swing out to
check the traps on my TH7. Would you consider hiring yourself out as a
trap checker, as well as your day job as Len's little red-hatted organ
monkey?

With warmest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "KØHB"
Date: 7/12/2004 9:05 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


Sure do get your short hairs in a knot when you get YOUR tail twisted,
huh...?!?!


Unlike the Robeson clan, our branch of the human family tree has evolved
beyond having tails...(SNIP)

Ahhhhhh....the "ad hominem" attack...The very thing that you have seeminly
placed yourself above...So it seems the Brakob clan has some issues with the
truth also...

(UNSNIP)...although it might come in handy to swing out to
check the traps on my TH7.

Ohhhhhhh......"Mine is Bigger Than Yours"...?!?!

Would you consider hiring yourself out as a
trap checker, as well as your day job as Len's little red-hatted organ
monkey?

Considering your own propensity for "Do As I Say Not Do As I Do", you'd
better check your own backside for that tail, Master Grief. The NG has many
examples of you uttering profound eruptions on what is "civil", "mature" or
"adult", yet it seems you intend for those to be the responsibility of
others...not yourself...Why?

(BTW...I can lower my traps to the ground to be checked...A lot cheaper
AND safer to work on...)

With warmest personal regards,

Still with sincerity issues, I see.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over $48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.


Bingo, Hans. Game, set, match.

Hardly, Jim.

Most of the allocations we enjoy are international allocations...not
domestic ones.

What Hans described would not take place overnight.

And I hardly think that even if our numbers fell by half that we'd lose
any significant part of our allocations...Not any more than what we stand to
lose right now anyway.

Hans' scenario is quite realistic. If every ham in the database had to pony up
$750 for a license renewal, plus every new ham had to cough up even more for
the VE fees plus license fee, I think we'd see significant attrition. Much more
than half. Heck, at the current level of fees we're barely growing!

What do you think a $750 fee would do to the recruitment of young people into
ham radio?

Once the numbers dropped significantly, FCC could reallocate the domestic
stuff. Look at 2 meters - half of it could be taken away without treaty change.

Then, when the next WRC came along, the administration would have plenty of
justification to chnage the rules so as to take a lot more.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


Sure do get your short hairs in a knot when you get YOUR tail twisted,
huh...?!?!


Unlike the Robeson clan, our branch of the human family tree has evolved
beyond having tails, although it might come in handy to swing out to
check the traps on my TH7. Would you consider hiring yourself out as a
trap checker, as well as your day job as Len's little red-hatted organ
monkey?

With warmest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi, hi!

The FCC should cancel Amateur Radio altogether. With the amount of hams
that are on the air these days, I wouldn't be surprised if Ham Radio is
abolished within the next 50 years.

Echolink is the future of Amateur Radio as we know it, folks.

73

Me

"William" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


Sure do get your short hairs in a knot when you get YOUR tail twisted,
huh...?!?!


Unlike the Robeson clan, our branch of the human family tree has evolved
beyond having tails, although it might come in handy to swing out to
check the traps on my TH7. Would you consider hiring yourself out as a
trap checker, as well as your day job as Len's little red-hatted organ
monkey?

With warmest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi, hi!

The FCC should cancel Amateur Radio altogether. With the amount of hams
that are on the air these days, I wouldn't be surprised if Ham Radio is
abolished within the next 50 years.

Echolink is the future of Amateur Radio as we know it, folks.

73

Me

Hello me ????? oh well .......

Yepper you got that one right ....why put up a 5k antenna system, a 2K rig
and then invite the ire of all the neighborhood when they say they see you
on HBO ...... when they can't start their car in the morning or when their
pets start acting goofy etc..etc ???? One can easily grab a mike an yell
into a $400 computer with a $9.95 ISP and have a heck of a lot less
aggravation. But so goes life as we know it here .....minimize the hassel
but also minimize the "mental gymastics" that should keep our own computers
working well.

There are less ops on the air than in days gone by but that is also true in
many other endeavors that I read about on the newsgripes. It appears that
the computer or our life styles have caused many "hobbies-services" to take
a hit.

Take care me ...oh I mean you ....ah you know what I mean ....

73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa,

In article ,
(William) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
link.net...
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

Sure do get your short hairs in a knot when you get YOUR tail twisted,
huh...?!?!

Unlike the Robeson clan, our branch of the human family tree has evolved
beyond having tails, although it might come in handy to swing out to
check the traps on my TH7. Would you consider hiring yourself out as a
trap checker, as well as your day job as Len's little red-hatted organ
monkey?

With warmest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi, hi!

Hans has a good idea.

One possible exception. I'd like to see the little red-hatted organ
twister keep his trap shut...

With most red-hotted personal regards,

LHA / WMD

Agreed. just go to Circuit City, Best Buy or CompUSA. Certainly cheaper
than building permits (if the Zoning board will grant you one), tower
hardware, coax, antennas, etc...

Ciao,

ME

"garigue" wrote in message
news:nrYIc.69263$MB3.65916@attbi_s04...

The FCC should cancel Amateur Radio altogether. With the amount of hams
that are on the air these days, I wouldn't be surprised if Ham Radio is
abolished within the next 50 years.

Echolink is the future of Amateur Radio as we know it, folks.

73

Me

Hello me ????? oh well .......

Yepper you got that one right ....why put up a 5k antenna system, a 2K rig
and then invite the ire of all the neighborhood when they say they see you
on HBO ...... when they can't start their car in the morning or when their
pets start acting goofy etc..etc ???? One can easily grab a mike an yell
into a $400 computer with a $9.95 ISP and have a heck of a lot less
aggravation. But so goes life as we know it here .....minimize the hassel
but also minimize the "mental gymastics" that should keep our own
computers
working well.

There are less ops on the air than in days gone by but that is also true
in
many other endeavors that I read about on the newsgripes. It appears that
the computer or our life styles have caused many "hobbies-services" to
take
a hit.

Take care me ...oh I mean you ....ah you know what I mean ....

73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa,