Subject: FCC Office Testing History
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/8/2004 7:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

And what Bill did with Monica was not, in his opinion, "having sex".

This is an interesting point here. There are a lot of young people in
this country that enjoy each others company in that manner, and they do
not consider it sex. In fact they consider themselves virgins as long as
they don't do it in the traditional manner.

And *in their opinions*, they're right!

Uh huh.

You forget where I work.

There's an awful lot of young people who get treated for various sexually
transmitted diseases who, in the same words of our former Commander-in-Chief,
"weren't having sex".

Uh huh.

That's why I have 14, 15 and 16 year olds in the ER with herpes lesions in
places where they shouldn't be...but are. "But we didn't have "sex"...it was
just a B---j--." How can you tell kids otherwise about sex when they see thier
parents essentially condoning those same acts by the President of the United
States by NOT demanding his resignation?

And the kids these days think THEY have it bad! hehehe

*Every* generation thinks they invented it...

Probably, but then it's up to the preceeding geneeration to clan up the
mess.

- The *correct* way to dispose of a US Flag is to burn it.

Ahhhhhhh....Jim, why don't you qualify that with "in an honorable and
respectful manner as prescribed by Public Law"...?!?!

Putting a match to Old Glory in order to make some ill defined political
point is not "properly disposing" of the flag.

I think that the videos of the people leaving Saigon were one of the low
points of US history.

And that happened under whose administration?

What does it matter, Jim?

It was what the American people (or at least the most VOCAL Americans)
demanded thier government do. They demanded it from the Democrat that got them
inot it, and they demanded it from the Republican who eventually DID get us out
of it.

We can argue the reasons or the methodology that Lyndon Johnson used to
get us into it until the cows come home, but to have not prosecuted it to win
was the REAL tragedy. 50K+ Americans dead...for what? Hundreds of thousands,
if not millions, of Vietnamese on both sides dead, too.

Who, me?

Is Alfred E. Neuman ghostwriting today, Jim...?!?! =0

I didn't write that. Clinton was not a great president, but he was
light-years ahead of Nixon.

Sorry Jim...but we have to take a BIG difference of opinon here.

The Watergate scandal was nothing compared to the utter disprespect and
dishonor Bill Clinton and his spouse brought to the White House.

Clinton lied about the LEGAL things he did before he ran for office.
(Protesting against the war.) When he was caught, that SHOULD have been a clue
to the rest of the country of what was about to come.

Hillary was supposed to set "healthcare" straight in this country.

All she did was spend a lot of the taxpayers money, sent the industry
running for cover and gave Bill some pretty graphics in the form of a prototype
"national health card" to flash at his first "State of the Union" address.
That was the end of "National Health Care" for seven more years. She did not
do one single thing to improve health care in the United States.

Nothing.

Hillary tore up the White House travel office, creating hate and
discontent that did absolutely nothing to improve efficiency, cut costs or
otherwise enhance the office.

They lied about White Water. He lied about his mistresses.

And on thier way out the door in 2001, they tried to STEAL things that
they had been clearly told were NOT thiers for the taking.

Nixon lied about Watergate and the subsequent coverup, but the man had the
intestinal fortitude, no matter how disgraced he was, to see what the results
were doing the country, and he got out of the way. THAT took guts.

He was also the last president to have a balanced budget and opened the
doors to China. He set in motion the wheels that Ronald Reagan would
eventually use to grind the Soviet Union to a pulp.

Because he cheated on his wife? Heck, look at what ol' Newt did to *his*
first wife.

But there was a difference, Jim. He's Republican. He was framed or
there was an invasion of privacy or something!

Do you know what he did to his first wife?

Did it involve leather, Kool-whip and handcuffs? Was there video? Was it
overheard and recorded by a scanner enthusiast?

Don't forget that the whole thing opened up when a "nice" republican
lady that Monica thought was a friend went to the people that so badly
wanted to discredit him. So she didn't keep the indiscretion discreet.

Kinda dumb on Monica's part, don't ya think?

Yep. But who could "do" the president and not say SOMETHING to someone?

Who could "do" any famous person and not...?!?! If my oft repeated
mid-life fantasy about a certain pop-diva ever did come true, you can bet your
bottom dollar SOMEONE would know about it!

I would further say "someone I could trust". In my life there's only been
TWO people I could invest that kind of secret to, and one of them certainly
would NOT be pleased!

For more on that:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/G...220_Tripp.html

Two interesting things here.

This person is *surprised* that no one wants to hire her?

Actually, given the way things often go in Washington, it *is* a bit
surprising.

I wouldn't.

She was given what the other person thought was a private exchange between
friends. She (Linda) violated it. True, what she did was "legal", and may or
may not have been in the best interests of the United States, but could YOU
HONESTLY confide in Ms. Tripp...?!?

My best friend and I have exchanged confidences that have never gone any
farther than our own ears...Because he IS my friend I feel I can tell him
things I wouldn't tell anyone else and vice versa. And I imagine that's
exactly what Monica expected when she told Linda Tripp about scoring some
presidential bootie. However Linda was an opportunist and she saw her
opportunity.

So much for friends...At least in Washington.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

(old stuff removed)

What I was trying to say is that if we're going to condemn Willy for being
a
hornydog who couldn't keep his hands (and other things) to himself, and who
couldn't keep the promises he made to his bride, then we should use the
same standards to judge other politicians. Like Newt.

Because he is a Republican, and it is okay then. He's been on Fox news
trying to ressurect himself. Hey may succeed.

Well, Ted Kennedy did....

And of course there is Strom's daughter!

Surreal, huh?

Kinda dumb on Monica's part, don't ya think?

Kinda dumb, on anyone's part, to get caught up in something like that. Fer
cryin' out loud, who *was* the numkoff in that situation? The Prez or the
nitwit that let herself be used like that? I say her.

There's plenty to go around!

But I say the biggest dummy in the pile was WJC himself. Because he *knew*
that
fooling around could easily go public, and would have enormous negative
repercussions. This was obvious from what happened to Gary "Monkey
Business"
Hart (remember him?). Hart did a lot of good things in the various offices
he
held, and might have made a good President or VP. But his indiscretions
pushed
all that aside and destroyed any chance for him. Anybody with *any* sense
would
know that the chances of keeping such stuff secret were slim to none.

People make mistakes, people engage in stupid and illegal things.

Yep. Like Nixon and the whole Watergate mess. He resigned 30 years ago this
month - I still remember where I was when I heard that speech..

People engage in sex outside the sanctity of marriage.

They've been doing that for a long long time...

And we are more concerned about these things that we are about whether
or not they can actually do the job or not.

Some people are, anyway.

One thing Watergate changed was that the media would no longer turn a blind eye
to politicians' personal lives. Remember that politician who turned up drunk in
the reflecting pool with someone named Fannie Fox? A few years earlier, and it
would never have made the news.

We get what we deserve. THere are probably a lot of people who could be
a great President that can't or won't because of irrelevant personal
history.

Possibly. Heck, one of the reasons Ronald Reagan didn't get nominated until
1980 was because he'd been divorced. That used to be political suicide. Now,
nobody seems to care.

Or consider Slick Willy hisself. I think the main reason he got the nomination
back in 1992 was that a lot of the big guns on the Dem side (Sam Nunn, Mario
Cuomo) saw Papa Bush's popularity after Gulf War 1 and figured that running
against him was futile. So they gave it to Bill. Then the economy tanked for a
spell, Ross Perot split the opposition vote, and Clinton gets in on 40% of the
popular vote but a big majority of electoral votes.

--

Here's another item for ya:

One of this election's issues is stem cell research. The Dems are for it, the
Pubs against it. Ron Reagan spoke at the *Dems* convention to support it (he
was not invited to speak at the Pubs' convetion at all, despite the tie-ins
with his dad's recent passing).

Now, the reason the Pubs are against stem cell research is because of the
abortion issue/killing embryos. Which is consistent in a way. But note this:
IVF (in-vitro fertilization) involves exactly the same issue. If someone is
against stem cell research because of the abortion issue, then logic dictates
they must also oppose IVF for exactly the same reason.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

No evolution in
science class. The fundies had wiped the slate clean - no dinosaurs, no
ancient earth at all. Even sanitized geology! Nothing to pollute the
minds of the impressionable youngsters. After getting out of high
school, I read the forbidden stuff on evolution and geology and age of
the earth. Such innocent stuff to be so dangerous.

Mike:

Try this:

Get out a Bible and read the first book of Genesis. Not a book of Bible stories
- get a Bible. Note that there are *two* creation stories - and they cannot
both be literally true, because they contradict each other on several points.
Most books of Bible stories blend the two storiesand edit out the obvious
contradictions.

I think Genesis is written that way as a signal from the Author to the reader
that the Book is not meant to be taken literally, but to be looked at as
explanations of Why and By Whom, not How and When. But that distinction is too
often lost on people.

73 de Jim, N2EY



73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

It's weird for sure, but I think it is a result of what some people
have tried to do to adolescents regarding their sexuality.

Deny they have any?

Using AIDS
fear as a lever, some people have tried abstinance programs as a cure
all for STD's, and golly gawrsh, it just happens to fit into their
morality view. What they are trying to do is distinctly unnatural.
Humans reach sexual maturity at one age, and we are trying to enforce
celibacy until they reach their late 20's early 30's, when they are
supposed to marry and have kids. So celibacy is supposed to take 20 of
the most fertile years of your life and you aren't supposed to do
anything. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Fun facts:

- Research shows that the *average* age of puberty has been dropping over the
past several generations, particularly in girls. Yet the age of first marriage
has been rising even faster. Go back to the time of "Little Women" (War Between
the States era) and the delay between puberty and typical first marriage was
only a few years (even for Yankees). Today it's a lot more - and for folks
looking to go to college and grad school and start a career, even longer. So of
course the reality becomes that there's an official message (abstinence) and
what actually goes on in people's lives (something quite different from
abstinece).

- The whole abstinece thing is a relatively new invention. Research shows that
about 1/3 of Colonial-era brides were expecting on their wedding day.

And the kids these days think THEY have it bad! hehehe

*Every* generation thinks they invented it...

When we all know it was *our* generation! ;^)

Of course.

I think that the videos of the people leaving Saigon were one of the low
points of US history.

And that happened under whose administration?

Good King Richard's? 8^)

Bingo.

He told us in 1968 that he had a "secret plan" to end the war. Four years
later, that plan hadn't been put into action, but he got reelected anyway.
Then
there was the secret bombing of Cambodia..

Well, there you go!

There were also wage and price controls, which delayed stagflation but
ultimately made it far worse.

What a socialist thing to do.

Most important was that it made the problem worse.

Of course! If you are going to pull anything from socialism, price and
wage controls would have to be just about the worst. Dumb.

But very effective in the *short* term. Then the problem comes back, far worse.

Because he cheated on his wife? Heck, look at what ol' Newt did to *his*
first wife.

But there was a difference, Jim. He's Republican. He was framed or
there was an invasion of privacy or something!

Do you know what he did to his first wife?

Served her divorce papers when she was recovering in the hospital from
cancer surgury. There's compassionate conservatism for ya!

Bingo again!

Don't forget that the whole thing opened up when a "nice" republican
lady that Monica thought was a friend went to the people that so badly
wanted to discredit him. So she didn't keep the indiscretion discreet.


Kinda dumb on Monica's part, don't ya think?

Imagine her perspective. She prpobably felt she HAD to brag to someone!

Reminds me of the story of the old guy in confession....

For more on that:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/G...220_Tripp.html

Two interesting things here.

This person is *surprised* that no one wants to hire her?


Actually, given the way things often go in Washington, it *is* a bit
surprising.

Look at where she was working Jim. Blabbing is not appreciated.

bwaahaahaa

In the Pentagon?

No, the people she was blabbing about. It's permissible in that case. ;^)

Ah. Exactly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


John Kasupski wrote:


On 07 Aug 2004 18:56:04 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:


Once they got exposed to rock'n'roll, blue jeans and McDonald's, they

wanted to

be capitalists. Heck, the Soviets weren't defeated by Star Wars, Radio

Free

Europe or Berlin as much as by the Pepsi Generation and Ronald McDonald.

All of this is *way* off topic for this NG and belongs in some
political discussion group.

Not to worry, John. This is our group therapy and most anything goes.
Probably best to stay out of the Len/Brian/Steve donnybrook tho'!

Don't feel bad, Mike. If you don't have the guts to jump into that
one-sided firefight, you don't. You stay on the ice where it's cool
and you can hit folks with your stick or get the puck off.

Not a matter of guts, Len. I stay out of it because its all old and
gone circular. If you guys are enjoying yourselves - have at it! At
least you all are accomplishing something, eh? 8^)


No, Mike. You've gone over to the dark side of the force. You've kept
silent
on the insulting behavior of these U.S. radio amateur "extras" and then
tried to encourage turning this newsgroup into a private little Chat Room.

I keep quiet on all sorts of insulting behavior. I'm not here to
comment on others insulting behavior.

snip


I'm putting you down on the PCTA self-righteousness group...on
the basis of your subject postings. Have fun! :-)

I've been a PCTA for a long time.

Putting me down as self righteous? You can do that if you wish. You
seem to have a thing about labels.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: FCC Office Testing History
From: (William)
Date: 8/9/2004 7:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

While writing a monthly weather review for a forward location in the
ROK, I manage to work the following phrase into my report.

"The visibility was up and down like a new bride's pajamas."

So, either no one was reading the reports, or they were somewhat
amused and let it go.

They probably just considered the source.

We do.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Not a matter of guts, Len. I stay out of it because its all old and
gone circular. If you guys are enjoying yourselves - have at it! At
least you all are accomplishing something, eh? 8^)

No, Mike. You've gone over to the dark side of the force. You've kept
silent
on the insulting behavior of these U.S. radio amateur "extras" and then
tried to encourage turning this newsgroup into a private little Chat
Room.

Ahhhhhhhhh....so unless Mike takes a side, he's somehow
"approving" of one side's argument or the other...depending on who
makes the claim first.

Personally, I think he's a very sober realist who is able to see
both sides of the exchange w/o getting incolved in all the muck.

Tsk. Nursie pouring in all kinds of "muck" here.

Carefull, "muck" is a four-letter word. Don't get profane.

If you need private little Chat Rooms so bad, contact your ISP. They
can arrange for you and cronies to have one for your very own. Really!

I do keep reading them for your header quips though! 8^)

I don't make "header quips." The headers I cannot change; AOL does
not allow such hacking.

Folks in here don't even understand Taglines...a formerly venerable
custom of funny nonsense phrases and sentences that have nothing
(usually) to do with the message body.

This is a humorless place. What passes for humor among the PCTA
is a lot of hollow personal insults and self-righteous giggling and
harassment of those trying to argue SUBJECTS, not people.

Ans what passes for "humor" from the non-licensed,
non-participatory sidelines is antagonism, hatred, verbal filth,
mistruths and outright lies.

So...we can all take it that nursie is unsatisfied? :-)

And you wonder why so many are "anti" you, Lennie.

Does gravity count?

I'm still working on anti-gravity...but something is holding me down...

You just refuse to accept that you're a fould mouthed bigot that
manages to tick off everyone you talk to.

Tsk. Tick...tick...tick...tick...tick...

Was that everyone? No, just the old clock in the next room.

It's not about differing opinions. It's about YOU being a putz.
No one likes being treated rudely and you are the epitome of rude.

Just the "epitome?" Tsk.

Here I was going for the pinnacle, top-dog, primo, super-duper,
first-class. [and I have to travel in steerage with you...tsk]

Does that Nobel-equivalent amateur radio license test passing give
you "credentials" or "licensure" to be a political guru? I think
not.

I'm a citizen, and I vote. That's good enough for me.

Of which country? As an American I used to think other Americans
would respect free speech. NOT in amateur radio of the USA.

We respect free speech, Lennie.

...as long as "we" all voice the same opinion. :-)

How many personalities you have now, nursie? A dozen? Do they
all agree? :-)

We DON'T "respect" people who use it as a crutch to be mean and
crude.

Oil is crude. But "we" all need it to be refined into gasoline, etc.

Witness:

Check out Kernel Klink's comments:

Being smartmouthed is supposed to earn you respect?

Everyone is supposed to be "respectful" in here? Oh, my!

Anyone who is "interested" in
radio MUST get a ham license! Like an entire engineering career IN
radio-electronics is "NOT" showing an interest?!?!?

Just like Janet Jackson said..."What have you done for me
lately?"

? Poor nursie not getting enough lately? Always thinking of genitals?

That's not "respectful" is it?

Your "interest" in Amateur Radio is being antgonistic and foul.

Tsk. I thought it was to remove the fantasyland aspect of some
hamateurs who think they are God's gift to radio. :-)

It has nothing to do with furthering ANY aspect of the radio
service, technical, operational or educationally.

Tsk. And the rant goes on to the CQ beat...

Ergo..."NO INTEREST".

We can bank on that? :-)

Did Alan Greenspan authorize "no interest?"

Some poor, disadvantaged, non-electronics employed emotional
basket cases in here are jealous that I began in radio at the TOP of
HF communications.

A rear area Army radio station clerk was "the TOP"...?!?!

You were nothing more than a "radio mechanic", Lennie!

Tsk. Nursie wasn't there, doesn't know...but, he would be too
confused over the immensity of the HF communications station:
separate receiver and transmitter sites 20 miles apart, 43
HF transmitters with a minimum of 1 KW RF power output,
transmitter site antennas laid out over a square mile of land,
multichannel VHF, UHF, and microwave radio relay linking all
sites, the torn-tape TTY relay operations occupied one floor of
a converted warehouse with 220 TTY machines, 24/7 operation
to Seoul, Pusan, Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Honolulu, Seattle,
Anchorage, San Francisco, all serving the Headquarters, Far
East Command. That station was only the third-largest in the
Army Command-Administrative Network.

I got assigned there as a microwave radio relay operator-
maintainer (my school MOS). The microwave equipment would
not be available for a year and a half to I was taught (a one-day
informal on-the-job "class") how to operate the transmitters and
did that...plus keeping the carrier and VHF-UHF radio relay
equipment operating. Eventually, after doing a good job, I got
promoted and became a team supervisor with SSgt stripes and
responsibility that goes with that. 1953 to 1956.

Poor babies. Nearly all of them didn't even
exist when I started.

And as of today you STILL haven't started in Amateur Radio, and
many of us have already been at THAT for over 30 years.

Tsk. I became a professional in radio-electronics in 1956. Been
in southern California aerospace industry ever since. IEEE member
and sole inventor of one radio patent (3,848,191).

So...you've never gotten beyond the amateur stage? Tsk.

They've got the brainwashing to insist that
morse code is still used in communications (it isn't outside of ham
radio) or that MARS IS amateur radio! [among several myths]

It doesn't matter WHERE Morse Code is used OUTSIDE of Amateur
Radio.

True...because it is NOT...except to a few third-world merchantmen
who haven't upgraded yet.

Aviation Radio Service doesn't use morse. Public Safety Radio Service
doesn't use morse. Broadcasting never did. Private Land Mobile Radio
Service doesn't use morse code. The U.S. military hasn't used morse
code for communications in over two decades. Maritime Radio Service
worldwide has abandoned morse code for international distress and
safety, switching over to GMDSS years ago.

Read this veeeeeeeeeeeeery s l o w l y, Lennie...

Why? Have you said anything "respectful" or important yet?

I don't think so.

This forum is about A M A T E U R R A D I O.

Then why all the shouting and hollering about Presidential Politics in
here? That has NOTHING to do with amateur radio. Zip. Nada.

Not 1950's era Army...Not PLMRS...Not NASA or anyone else. Not
maritime nor commercial broadcasting...Not CB...A M A T E U R R A D
I O....

Then you should discuss A M A T E U R R A D I O, not emergency
medical services, CAP, the USMC and your imaginary claims such
as "MARS IS amateur radio!" or the unspecified bragging of
"seven hostile actions" or the gunnery nurse getting his rocks off by
insulting those who don't agree with him...

Tell that to Coslo, Rev. Jim, DavidoftheForeignService, and the
Katapult King Kellie.

WE know Morse Code is not used except in very rare instances
outside of the Amateur service.

So very rare outside of amateur radio that ANY use is destined for
banner headlines in the morsemen news! :-)

Even so, morse code on-off keying mode is a distant SECOND place
use on HF amateur bands.

That's because the Amateur service
has completly different goals and applications.

Yes...and to you it is a surrogate for your failed military service,
a place for you to posture and preen and act like a self-righteous
ashole about how "good" you are. Ptui.

Those emotional basket cases, self-righteous to a fault, are trying
their best (which is also their worst) at insulting anyone who isn't
PCTA. They can't handle controversy, can't handle anything which
hasn't been spelled out for them by the ARRL. Tsk, tsk.

There's no controversy here, Lennie.

Yes there is, STEVIE da gunnery nurse.

Read the following carefully, it is transmitted in "slow English"
a la the VOA:

T H E C O N F L I C T I S O V E R T H E M O R S E
C O D E T E S T . R E P E A T : T H E * T E S T *

So much so that this newsgroup was CREATED to handle the
CONTROVERSY over that morse code TEST for amateur radio
licenses.

Morse Code continues to have valid aplications in the Amateur
Radio service.

N O T E N O U G H T O M A K E T H E C O D E T E S T
V A L I D.

I'm putting you down on the PCTA self-righteousness group...on
the basis of your subject postings. Have fun!

You're only doing that since Mike's treated you kindly and with
respect, and you just can't stand it.

Pish off, little man. Go play with all your Putzes you sign off with.

You let Mike Coslo answer for HIMSELF. He did. Show some
RESPECT for others.

I, on the otherhand, realize what a dedicated scumbag you are,
and treat you as such. You've gone out of yuor way to earn it...you
deserve it...enjoy it...

Putz.

Pish off, little man. Go play with your Putzes and then get some
mental therapy to attempt reducing your HATE and ANGER at
anyone daring to speak against your claimed magnificence...

LHA / WMD