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ARRL Walks Away From Bandwidth Restrictions
The Newsline says that ARRL will give up its bandwidth restriction
idea. This is in the current news. RESTRUCTURING: REACTING TO THE ARRL BANDWIDTH PROPOSAL An ARRL proposal to restructure Amateur Radio along bandwidth lines has caused a lot of discussion in the nations ham community. And it may cause the League to rethink its position. Amateur Radio Newsline's Mark Abramowicz, NT3V, is in Philadelphia, and has the rest of the story: -- Shortly after the ARRL began circulating the proposal and posted it on its website, the e-mails, phone calls, HF, VHF, and digital-mode traffic took off. And now, Amateur Radio Newsline has learned the bandwidth proposal may be tabled for more study when the ARRL's executive committee meets next month. That confirmation comes from W6OBB in Nevada. If the call sign isn't familiar, the name behind it might be. He's Art Bell, host of the weekend edition of "Coast to Coast AM" heard on more than 500 commercial radio stations across the nation. Bell, who joined the fight against Broadband Over Powerlines several months ago, and featured the subject on his radio program, expressed concern about what he called a Draconian proposal that would over- regulate the ham bands. Bell tells me he relayed that concern in a phone call to ARRL President Jim Haynie W5JBP. Bell characterizes the discussion as cordial and at the end, he says Haynie related he was re-evaluating the proposal based on many comments he had received. "He indicated to me and told me I could pass on to you that they're looking into pulling this whole thing back and taking a harder look at it," Bell says. While Bell says he believes the ARRL had good intentions with the proposal, it may have gone too far. "What began as an examination by the League of how we could possibly encourage the digital mode, it went a little too far and began to over-regulate," Bell says. "I'd kind of like to see it go the other way and I'd like to see our bands freed up." Haynie says he's gotten a lot of feedback on the proposal. He says it came from the League's desire to promote - not restrict - innovation and experimentation. He says it was also a response the Federal Communications Commission's desire to see more innovation from the ham community. "I think we rose to the challenge," Haynie says. "We have demonstrated Software Defined Radio that just knocked their socks off, in my view. "We have come up with some other stuff - Joe Taylor and some of his things for moon bounce. And I think the Amateur Radio community needed a wake-up call is what they needed and I think that's what we've gotten and were given." Haynie says it's clear the digital modes like RTTY and PSK 31 need attention. "Where do we want to go to the future?" Haynie asks. "And, as I mentioned a couple of years ago, I took my model 28ASR and took it to the scrap man. But that's the standard that's used today is 850Hz shift at 45 baud. "Well, we don't do too much of that. I'm not saying there's not RTTY enthusiasts out there, there are and I appreciate that and I know that and I want to protect their rights to do those things." Art Bell says he and others don't object to digital innovation. But he doesn't think the proposal hits the mark. "There are many with differing interests who are not too pleased with the proposal and, on the face of it, it simply does not make sense," Bell says. "I agree that we should encourage the digital modes and development, but we shouldn't try to push something into place that is not techincally ready to happen yet." Restricting bandwidth, Bell says, won't promote innovation. "Why do we have to cut and slice and dice and regulate," Bell says. Why not just let anybody virtually go anywhere and let all of us just live together with some gentlemen's agreements which we have now and which work very, very well on most bands? "So with that in mind, look at the Canadians. The Canadians have a 6khz limit and they can go anywhere on the band they want from the bottom to the top. And I don't see why that would not apply and work well in America." Haynie says he wants to hear more from hams and he's encouraging all of us to get into the FCC's Part 97 rules and share input on the proposal at the ARRL's website, that's ARRL-dot-org. "Look at the rule book and see what's there now, "Haynie says. "And, is there something that could be changed that would allow a new technology to be developed, then that's what we want to know." For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Mark Abramowicz, NT3V, in Philadelphia. -- More on the ARRL proposal and reaction to it in upcoming Amateur Radio Newsline reports. (ARNewsline(tm)) |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! Since most of us in this newsgroup are fully aware that almost all of the ARRL officials are volunteers and work for free, you have succeeded only in exposing yourself as the ignorant troll that you obviously are. Nice try...and now it is my pleasure to cordially invite you to try the rec.radio.cb newsgroup, where you will fit in much better and might even become a respected regular, given enough time. John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
Bill Turner wrote:
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! __________________________________________________ _______ The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? Time. |
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 05:29:24 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! _________________________________________________ ________ The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? I agree. It's way too easy to become a troll these days. Back in the old days, you had to learn DOS commands first. None of this point-and-click crap that's so easy even a child could do it, you had to learn how to type, you had to learn about filenames and extensions, you had to learn how to use a keyboard. Today's trolls are spoiled because all they have to do is click their little mouse. Windows is going to be the end of trolling as we know it, mark my words. They ought to bring back DOS. That's what separated the real McCoys from the wanna-be's back in the good old days - DOS. Besides, what happens in an emergency? Your computer crashes and Windows won't boot, you need to know DOS in order to get in there and fix it. These trolls of today don't know squat about DOS, and when they end up trashing their Windows they have to haul their computer off to a club meeting to get a REAL troll to fix it. DOS works when nothing else will work, that's why they should never have gotten rid of it. Windows just made the Apple and Commodore riffraff from years ago think they are real computer users. Bring back DOS and let 'em all go back to their Commode Door 64 where they belong. 73 de John, KC2HMZ, Tonawanda, NY Disclaimer: Any apparent similarity to the code/no-code argument is pure coincidence and is completely unintentional. |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:51:37 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
Send in your dues Sucker! Already taken care of. I'm sure we can safely assume that your annual dues to the United States CB Association have been paid in full? John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member of ARES/RACES, ARATS, WUN, ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
John Kasupski wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:51:37 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! Already taken care of. I'm sure we can safely assume that your annual dues to the United States CB Association have been paid in full? Sent my dues in too. |
KWM442X wrote:
Send in your dues Sucker! Smart as you are, you should be able to come up with something better. |
Understood!
KWM442X wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... KWM442X wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! Smart as you are, you should be able to come up with something better. |
In article , John Kasupski
writes: On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 05:29:24 -0700, Bill Turner wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! ________________________________________________ _________ The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? I agree. It's way too easy to become a troll these days. Back in the old days, you had to learn DOS commands first. None of this point-and-click crap that's so easy even a child could do it, you had to learn how to type, you had to learn about filenames and extensions, you had to learn how to use a keyboard. Today's trolls are spoiled because all they have to do is click their little mouse. Windows is going to be the end of trolling as we know it, mark my words. They ought to bring back DOS. That's what separated the real McCoys from the wanna-be's back in the good old days - DOS. Besides, what happens in an emergency? Your computer crashes and Windows won't boot, you need to know DOS in order to get in there and fix it. These trolls of today don't know squat about DOS, and when they end up trashing their Windows they have to haul their computer off to a club meeting to get a REAL troll to fix it. DOS works when nothing else will work, that's why they should never have gotten rid of it. Windows just made the Apple and Commodore riffraff from years ago think they are real computer users. Bring back DOS and let 'em all go back to their Commode Door 64 where they belong. 73 de John, KC2HMZ, Tonawanda, NY Disclaimer: Any apparent similarity to the code/no-code argument is pure coincidence and is completely unintentional. Good satire, John! I wonder how many will think that is a real rant? :-) "When I was young we made our own ICs, whittling them out of wood!" - [anon. tagline] |
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:07:27 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
Buy a new brain, sucker -- obviously the one you have is capable of remembering only one snotty retort. Send in your dues Sucker! "John Kasupski" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:51:37 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! Already taken care of. I'm sure we can safely assume that your annual dues to the United States CB Association have been paid in full? John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member of ARES/RACES, ARATS, WUN, ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
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"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? I say we re-activate the 14.313 kook wars of year's past. Perhaps even parts of 75 Meters as well. Ratchet up the QRM and goofyness on the HF bands, that will no doubt draw-off much of the mayhem from off of the NG's. Just be sure to not use your callsign and RH will not bother you. |
In article , John Kasupski
writes: Good satire, John! I wonder how many will think that is a real rant? :-) Are you sure that it wasn't? Yes, quite sure. :-) As one who still "has an interest" in personal computers, I built my first one (Southwest Technical Products Company) 6800 uP system in 1976 when the only "DOS" available was the Intel development system using 8" floppy disks affordable only by industry...and the just-beginning CP/M (Control Program, Microprocessors) that was "standard" for a while. Having access to an HP network analyzer in 1974, I've even had to manually toggle in the initial loader for the P-tape "bootstrap" program to bring the HP 2116 minicomputer heart of the analyzer up to loading its main P-tape program. :-) The Apple ][+ purchased in 1980 was much easier to use than the tape cassette "mass memory" storage of the SwTPc 6800 and it did use a DOS of sorts (final version 3.3) for the fantastic 143 KBytes of 5" floppy storage (one side, drive easily modified to R/W from the other side). Got so "interested" I joined the A.P.P.L.E. group (Apple Puget Sound Program Library Exchange) and became a contributor to Call-A.P.P.L.E., their monthly mag. With the Big Mac (macro Assembler plus Disassembler) I worked out how the Applesoft numeric routines worked and learned 6502 instructions and independently disassembled their DOS 3.3 in order to access certain features of it. Fun thing to do, intellectually stimulating. That led to an interest in FORTH, also a fun interpreter using RPN notation that the HP pocket scientific calculators used. I'd already joined the HP program library exchange and contributed a dozen HP-67 programs to it. Harder to do since the number of program steps were limited to 224 in that calculator. A local FORTH interest group met once a week to trade ideas and programs. The first of the "big" PCs was the "IBM" and I bit the bullet to get one of those, coincidentally using only DOS-level commands. That allowed the final version of LINEA released as shareware in 1993 (frequency domain circuit analysis) and the first of the LCie sharewares (L-C filter design). Both LINEA and LCie are now freeware, still operate at DOS level since I didn't bother to upgrade to high-level programming in C++ or Windows (Windows wasn't yet available when I got the first PC). LINEA and LCie were both done with MS FORTRAN 5.1, long since dropped by MS. Windows 3.3 was my first fenestra into GUI, later upgraded to Win95, then to Win98, and finally Windows XP in the current PC box HD. Microsoft DOS is still accessible in WinXP but MS did remove a few niceties from the original which my FORTRAN developed programs could no longer access. :-) Rewrite was needed and that required some extended search and explore and to use MASM to write some Assembler routines to make them fit...which required learning the Intel instructions...completed only for LCie, the other four will have to wait in the time-share queue...:-) A rather long time ago I was doing HF communications transmitting the old-fashioned way...manually, on tube equipment. HF radio changed but lots of olde-tymers couldn't. I began in personal computing via microprocessors and programmable calculators a quarter century ago and that changed. Dramatically. I know one PC olde-tymer who is still slogging along at DOS level, refusing to change to any form of GUI even though much younger than I and got into it later than I. Can't understand that. Is there a relationship between DOS v. Windows on PCs and the all-manual, hold to morsemanship-at-all-costs-amateurs? Yes. I see it, have seen it. Ergo, I rate your little message as a wonderful satire, John, good work at that. :-) "When I was young we made our own ICs, whittling them out of wood!" - [anon. tagline] :-) |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , John Kasupski writes: (snip of a rather lengthy history of Leonard Anderson involvement with computers) A rather long time ago I was doing HF communications transmitting the old-fashioned way...manually, on tube equipment. A great many of us did that too. HF radio changed but lots of olde-tymers couldn't. A lot more could and did. I began in personal computing via microprocessors and programmable calculators a quarter century ago and that changed. Dramatically. I know one PC olde-tymer who is still slogging along at DOS level, refusing to change to any form of GUI even though much younger than I and got into it later than I. Can't understand that. Is there a reason he should change doing what he enjoys simply because you can't understand it? Is there a relationship between DOS v. Windows on PCs and the all-manual, hold to morsemanship-at-all-costs-amateurs? Yes. I see it, have seen it. You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio. That inexperience leads you to write things like "morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-) Dave K8MN |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio. That inexperience leads you to write things like "morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-) No problem. I can say "doss." I know that it's an acronym for Disk Operating System. There's a step in the right direction. NO Microsoft Windows product lets you delete a running file. You have to quit the program first. [that's called "closing the file"] Remember that you've written the above. Once you've quit a program that Windows had been using, you can "drag and drop" into the Recycle Bin (via mouse), right-click on the mouse and left-click on the "delete" in the pull-down menu, or go to DOS level (two ways, by the way) and type in the "del filename" at the Command prompt. Works at every Windows version from 3.3 to XP. None of those will work with something which is running as part of the operating system *or* with a running executable such as a virus. Typically, one must exit the Windows program, go to DOS and delete such a file. Is there anything else you need to know about file deletions? If so, go to the Microsoft website and ask for help. They have lots of Help items there. Good. Go there. Read them. Your problem, Herr uber-oberst, is that you just cannot "delete" ME. Sure, I can delete Millenium Edition. Not no way. You not know how. Ergo, all you can play is the hand with the personal denigrations cards. You keep losing. Tsk. Sure, *chortle* Mr. Windows. Think you'll ever respond to my post asking about your frequent and continued denigration of others? Tsk tsk. Now, did you want to remark on the ARRL proposal or are you having too much fun peeing in the pool? :-) Might I ask you the same after your computer dissertation, followed by your swipe at those who campaign for the retention of morse testing? :-) Dave K8MN |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio. That inexperience leads you to write things like "morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-) No problem. I can say "doss." I know that it's an acronym for Disk Operating System. There's a step in the right direction. Der uber-oberst is on a nastygram roll? You slipped in the butter... NO Microsoft Windows product lets you delete a running file. You have to quit the program first. [that's called "closing the file"] Remember that you've written the above. I've remembered it since the first time I installed Windows 3.3. Long time ago. You finally get around to reading your MS manual, olde-tymer? You CAN turn off your computer power completely in the middle of running a program. That's about as "delete" as you can get. Whether or not your program or operating system survives intact is solely up to the whims of the operating system. :-) But...this is NOT about computers, is it? It's all about Davie trying his very best (really the worst for others) to misdirect and try to lay blame of others for "saying wrong things." Davie do dat often. Almost all the time in here... Your problem, Herr uber-oberst, is that you just cannot "delete" ME. Sure, I can delete Millenium Edition. Delete it? Heck, Davie boy, you aren't IN the new millennium yet mentally. [yes, ha ha, we all saw the "pun" of "ME" = Millennium Edition, even if you forgot there are two Ns in millennium...ha ha] Now, did you want to remark on the ARRL proposal or are you having too much fun peeing in the pool? :-) Might I ask you the same after your computer dissertation, followed by your swipe at those who campaign for the retention of morse testing? :-) Davie boy, y'all aren't interested in the subject. All you want to do is Vent whatever frustrates you in here by personal denigrations of those you disagree with... Davie boy, you ought to get off your computer and go play with your Orion thingie, amaze all with your "cleverness in computers" by jawing about your expertise on the air. Make yourself bigger than anyone by attitude. You waste everyone's time. |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio. That inexperience leads you to write things like "morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-) No problem. I can say "doss." I know that it's an acronym for Disk Operating System. There's a step in the right direction. Der uber-oberst is on a nastygram roll? You slipped in the butter... C'mon, Lennie lad. You'll be right up there with the best of 'em soon. Next thing you know, it's Toad in a Hole and Bob's your uncle! NO Microsoft Windows product lets you delete a running file. You have to quit the program first. [that's called "closing the file"] Remember that you've written the above. I've remembered it since the first time I installed Windows 3.3. Long time ago. You finally get around to reading your MS manual, olde-tymer? You CAN turn off your computer power completely in the middle of running a program. That's about as "delete" as you can get. Whether or not your program or operating system survives intact is solely up to the whims of the operating system. :-) Operating systems have whims? :-) But...this is NOT about computers, is it? You tell us. You were the one who began a lengthy post about computers. It's all about Davie trying his very best (really the worst for others) to misdirect and try to lay blame of others for "saying wrong things." Davie do dat often. Almost all the time in here... No, I think it about Lennie Leghorn attempting to use his long piece on computers to take a slap at anyone anywhere who uses morse or who supports morse testing. Your problem, Herr uber-oberst, is that you just cannot "delete" ME. Sure, I can delete Millenium Edition. Delete it? Heck, Davie boy, you aren't IN the new millennium yet mentally. That's right, Pops. You AOL types are really--how do the kids say it?--"with it". Aren't you? [yes, ha ha, we all saw the "pun" of "ME" = Millennium Edition, even if you forgot there are two Ns in millennium...ha ha] Thanks, "Atila". How's your little "syncophant", "William"? Now, did you want to remark on the ARRL proposal or are you having too much fun peeing in the pool? :-) Might I ask you the same after your computer dissertation, followed by your swipe at those who campaign for the retention of morse testing? :-) Davie boy, y'all aren't interested in the subject. Subject? Can you show me how far back it was that you even mentioned the subject? All you want to do is Vent whatever frustrates you in here by personal denigrations of those you disagree with... Lennie boy, meet Leonard boy. Davie boy, you ought to get off your computer and go play with your Orion thingie, It is an amateur radio transceiver, Len. I operate it frequently. I use my computers as well. I'll do as I choose. You continue to do what you can. amaze all with your "cleverness in computers" by jawing about your expertise on the air. I could do that or I could do it here. In fact, I did it using far fewer words than you. Make yourself bigger than anyone by attitude. Speaking from experience again? Well, at least you're experienced in something. You waste everyone's time. You aren't everyone. Dave K8MN |
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