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William September 13th 04 12:55 AM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message


Heck your
fishing expeditions wouldn't be half as much fun without him here.


"Fishing expeditions?" I don't fish.

PCTA bait their hooks and offer me their lines. No problem at all
to reel them in. Easy thing.


You seem to have some confusion on the concept of fishing. Let's
see...."they" bait their hooks and offer you a line. Now then, *you*
have a reel? It doesn't sound like an easy thing at all.


Dave, if you're a big enough fish, the fisherman becomes the quary.

Mike Coslo September 13th 04 02:07 AM



William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.


But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -


William September 13th 04 12:27 PM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.


But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -


You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...

William September 13th 04 12:32 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?


hehe, well we all know who Moe is!


I don't. C'mon, spell it out.

Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.


Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY


More Extra Class civility?

Mike Coslo September 13th 04 05:48 PM

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?


hehe, well we all know who Moe is!



I don't. C'mon, spell it out.


Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.



Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY

(who actually met Moe Howard back in the 1970s)


Most incredibly Kewl!



Let's look at the personalities:

Moe - impatient, grumpy, and given to yelling, temper tantrums and name
calling.

Out of the three, Lenover21, William, and Steve, the person showing the
biggest tendency to do this is of course Lenover21. While Steve can
certainly throw out the insults with the best of them, he reserves it
for when he is provoked. Len apparently finds my middle of the road and
mild posts provoking.
Next is a problem. Larry is a relatively mild mannered straight man that
bears half or maybe more of Moe's angry outbursts, plus an unending
stream of name calling. I have to see Larry as more like myself or even
you, Jim!

Now to the others. William appears to feel kind of put-upon lately,
judging from his posts. I think that the stooge that most fits his
present situation is Joe Besser. I can still hear Joe' "Stopp iit" when
I think of him.

Now for the last of the trio. Remember how Curly Howard would get all
spun up and make noises when Moe would poke him in the eye or smack him
on the head with a hammer. He was good for a "hmmmm.. wise guy!",
barking at Moe, and even getting in pokes at Moe of his own.

Yes, Curly Howard in this poll is our own Steve.


Isn't it fascinating that the Stooges were lind of looked down upon in
their time, and now have truly achieved immortality? And all that, when
they apparently never read a script that they didn't like. That is a
talent they shared with Lucille Ball. Both could take garbage material,
and make us laugh with it. Genius.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Dave Heil September 13th 04 08:58 PM

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Oh, and the anonymousies are anonymous because they can't
handle it under their own identity. Think of that. :-)


Dunno. I don't see anything either of them have posted that is
particularly "non-handlable".


Both are NOT INVOLVED!


We don't know if they are involved or not. We do know that *you* are
not involved.

No ID, nothing.


They may or may not have amateur radio callsigns. We do know that *you*
have none.

Follow der uber-oberst's commands given in here. He is PCTA extra.

:-)


I'm sure that the statement, "Len Anderson is not a radio amateur" will
be taken by you as a command. :-)

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil September 13th 04 09:18 PM

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message


Heck your
fishing expeditions wouldn't be half as much fun without him here.

"Fishing expeditions?" I don't fish.

PCTA bait their hooks and offer me their lines. No problem at all
to reel them in. Easy thing.


You seem to have some confusion on the concept of fishing. Let's
see...."they" bait their hooks and offer you a line. Now then, *you*
have a reel? It doesn't sound like an easy thing at all.


Dave, if you're a big enough fish, the fisherman becomes the quary.


Yeah, and they have reels! Have it your way, "William".

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil September 13th 04 09:20 PM

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.


But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -


You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...


If you'd added your Farnsworth testing boilerplate and the bit about
repeater owners enriching themselves, I'd think you were going mad.

Dave K8MN

Mike Coslo September 14th 04 12:17 AM



William wrote:
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?

hehe, well we all know who Moe is!


I don't. C'mon, spell it out.


Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.


Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY



More Extra Class civility?



C'mon Brian! This is about as tame as it gets in Netnews. Are you
*really* this sensitive, or just another excuse to bust our chops?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike Coslo September 14th 04 12:20 AM



William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.


But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -



You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...


I tolerate Leo too.

Tolerance isn't in fashion much these days. Too bad.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Steve Robeson K4CAP September 14th 04 01:10 AM

Subject: 3 Stooges!
From: (William)
Date: 9/13/2004 6:32 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?

hehe, well we all know who Moe is!


I don't. C'mon, spell it out.

Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.


Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY


More Extra Class civility?


Brain, from time to time you do something that specifically exemplifies my
conceptualizations of you, but this one's a goodie...

Your post suggests that there's something "uncivil" about taking a poll.

Now HOW does suggesting a poll insinuate a less-than-civil debate?

I thought polls were the very essence of "free speech"...And I certainly
didn't see anything in Jim's post that would have restricted participation to
any one subset of the group or exclude any one or more person...including you.

So...HOW did you come up with "More Extra Class civility?"

Steve, K4YZ






Mike Coslo September 14th 04 01:26 AM

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: 3 Stooges!
From: (William)
Date: 9/13/2004 6:32 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?

hehe, well we all know who Moe is!

I don't. C'mon, spell it out.


Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.

Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY


More Extra Class civility?



Brain, from time to time you do something that specifically exemplifies my
conceptualizations of you, but this one's a goodie...

Your post suggests that there's something "uncivil" about taking a poll.

Now HOW does suggesting a poll insinuate a less-than-civil debate?

I thought polls were the very essence of "free speech"...And I certainly
didn't see anything in Jim's post that would have restricted participation to
any one subset of the group or exclude any one or more person...including you.

So...HOW did you come up with "More Extra Class civility?"

Steve, K4YZ


We are nearing the point where if a PCTA writes "I must respectfully
disagree" is going to get a replay of "More Extra class civility?"

All this is just fun stuff. If Brian told me I reminded him of Shemp, I
would get a big laugh out of it.

Brian, this is a wrong tack to take, in respectfully disagreeing....

- Mike KB3EIA -

groovin' on some old Steely Dan tonight 8^)

their "Midnight Cruiser" is incredibly underrated.....


William September 14th 04 03:03 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If my memory serves me right, the four Morsemen we

Larry Roll
Dave Hiel
Dick Carroll
Jim Micollis

Lenover21 would know exactly - he coined it.


I would have told Dee...but she never reads my posts (what she said
in here). :-)


Yeh, what up widat? ;^)

(you now she reads every one of dem)

William September 14th 04 03:12 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

It's just a matter of trying to determine which face you're presenting
with any given topic.


What you see is what you get, Steve. Just to clear up any confusion on
your part, here are my thoughts on the predominate topics regularly
discussed here on rrap.

1 -- I think that Morse (CW) is a fun operating mode, sort of like
restoring old-time automobiles.
2 -- I do not think that Morse testing ought to be required to obtain an
amateur radio license of any class.
3 -- I think that you, Len, and Brian are a modern-day reincarnation of
the Three Stooges. You guys ought to petition NBC or CBS to revive that
show on TV.


Two out of three ain't bad... :-)



Wonder if he's drunk? And abrasive as all sailors can be.

Reencacting Cinderella Liberty.

That's why they got their name stenciled over their back pocket. So
you can tell one dumbass from the next.

Then you've got multiple-personality Steve asking what face someone is
presenting!!!

Hi, hi!

Such comedy, such slapstick!

Let me know when one of these guys goes over Niagara in a barrel.

Steve Robeson K4CAP September 14th 04 10:00 AM

Subject: 3 Stooges!
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/13/2004 6:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


William wrote:


More Extra Class civility?


C'mon Brian! This is about as tame as it gets in Netnews. Are you
*really* this sensitive, or just another excuse to bust our chops?


I lean towards busting our chops, Mike.

That WAS as utterly lame as it could have been.

Goes to the author, though.

73

Steve, K4YZ






William September 14th 04 11:59 AM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

- Mike KB3EIA -

groovin' on some old Steely Dan tonight 8^)

their "Midnight Cruiser" is incredibly underrated.....


I thought you'd be groovin to some teletype music.

N2EY September 14th 04 12:19 PM

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


And we can include you as the fourth Stooge.

Would that be Joe? ;^)


Shemp.

btw, Moe, Curly and Shemp were brothers.

73 de Jim, N2EY

nyuk-nyuk-nyuk


And Larry's wife was a babe! nyaaah, nyaah, nyaah...woowoowoowwoowwoo

I am reminded of the classic Tex Avery wolf response....

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dee D. Flint September 14th 04 01:52 PM


"William" wrote in message
m...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If my memory serves me right, the four Morsemen we

Larry Roll
Dave Hiel
Dick Carroll
Jim Micollis

Lenover21 would know exactly - he coined it.


I would have told Dee...but she never reads my posts (what she said
in here). :-)


Yeh, what up widat? ;^)

(you now she reads every one of dem)


The only way I catch a glimpse of lenover21 is when someone such as yourself
responds to him. I have him filtered out as I don't care to read his
rambling, disjointed, and multitudinous posts. Usually when I see that a
post is a reply to one of his, I'll skip over it. Not always though such
as this one.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Mike Coslo September 14th 04 01:58 PM

William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


- Mike KB3EIA -

groovin' on some old Steely Dan tonight 8^)

their "Midnight Cruiser" is incredibly underrated.....



I thought you'd be groovin to some teletype music.


Don't know if you saw my post about the IBM printer "music" or not.
Pretty cool stuff, but hard to listen to for more than a minute!


- Mike KB3EIA -


N2EY September 14th 04 05:40 PM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: 3 Stooges!
From: (William)
Date: 9/13/2004 6:32 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?

hehe, well we all know who Moe is!

I don't. C'mon, spell it out.

Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.

Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY

More Extra Class civility?


Brain, from time to time you do something that specifically exemplifies my
conceptualizations of you, but this one's a goodie...

Your post suggests that there's something "uncivil" about taking a poll.

Now HOW does suggesting a poll insinuate a less-than-civil debate?

I thought polls were the very essence of "free speech"...And I certainly
didn't see anything in Jim's post that would have restricted participation to
any one subset of the group or exclude any one or more person...including you.

So...HOW did you come up with "More Extra Class civility?"

Steve, K4YZ


We are nearing the point where if a PCTA writes "I must respectfully
disagree" is going to get a replay of "More Extra class civility?"


We're already way past that point. Which is why I don't bother to read
most of what Len, Brian or Steve post here.

Remember when I pointed out (respectfully) to Len that Fessenden was
transmitting voice by radio in 1900, not 1906? The response wasn't
exactly respectful...

All this is just fun stuff. If Brian told me I reminded him of Shemp, I
would get a big laugh out of it.


I'm probably closer to Larry...

Brian, this is a wrong tack to take, in respectfully disagreeing....

Let's see who "has the guts to spell my name right"....;-)

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY September 14th 04 06:20 PM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?

hehe, well we all know who Moe is!


I don't. C'mon, spell it out.


Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.


Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY

(who actually met Moe Howard back in the 1970s)


Most incredibly Kewl!

It was at a film festival in NJ. Several hours of classic Stooges.
Guest of honor was Moe, who did not look at all like he does in the
films - until he took off his glasses and combed his hair forward.
Then, except for the silver hair, he *was* Moe.

Let's look at the personalities:

Moe - impatient, grumpy, and given to yelling, temper tantrums and name
calling.


Also demands to be the boss of whatever is done.

Out of the three, Lenover21, William, and Steve, the person showing the
biggest tendency to do this is of course Lenover21. While Steve can
certainly throw out the insults with the best of them, he reserves it
for when he is provoked. Len apparently finds my middle of the road and
mild posts provoking.


Len finds *anything* other than complete agreement with his stated
opinions to be provoking. That's just the way he is. His act here
jumped the shark years ago.

Next is a problem. Larry is a relatively mild mannered straight man that
bears half or maybe more of Moe's angry outbursts, plus an unending
stream of name calling. I have to see Larry as more like myself or even
you, Jim!


Agreed - except that in some cases Larry will take part in the
violence chain (Moe slaps Larry, Larry slaps Curly, Curly
slaps...nobody there to slap)

You and I don't do that, which further provokes Moe....er, Len.

Now to the others. William appears to feel kind of put-upon lately,
judging from his posts. I think that the stooge that most fits his
present situation is Joe Besser. I can still hear Joe' "Stopp iit" when
I think of him.


Good point! But I would say Brian is more Larry-like in some ways.

Now for the last of the trio. Remember how Curly Howard would get all
spun up and make noises when Moe would poke him in the eye or smack him
on the head with a hammer. He was good for a "hmmmm.. wise guy!",
barking at Moe, and even getting in pokes at Moe of his own.

Yes, Curly Howard in this poll is our own Steve.


You do make a good point.

Isn't it fascinating that the Stooges were lind of looked down upon in
their time, and now have truly achieved immortality? And all that, when
they apparently never read a script that they didn't like.


Much of their stuff was adlibbed. The scripts were extremely basic.
The point was the visual gags, special effects, and the juxtaposition
of proper society and the Stooges' antics.

Nobody before or since has done a better piefight or sound effects
associated with bonks on the head, etc.

That is a
talent they shared with Lucille Ball.


I loved Lucy in the original show. The key to her humor was that she
would do absolutely *anything* onscreen if it were funny. The giant
bread loaf - the "meatavegavitamin" commercial - the pregnancy sight
gags - the classic mirror scene with Harpo Marx... Sadly, after she
split with Desi Arnaz the followup shows did not have that quality,
IMHO.

It is not generally appreciated that Lucy invented many sitcom
standards. The use of 3 cameras and the separate production company
(Desilu) are but two of her ideas.

Oddly enough, "I Love Lucy" and "The Three Stooges" were not imitated
to any great degree. Perhaps that explains part of their appeal.

Consider "The Honeymooners" which is the source of almost every
family-based sitcom for over half a century, from "The Flintstones" to
"Mad About You" to "According to Jim". Been copied a zillion times
because it works. Yet the originals are still funny.

Simple formula: Big, loud, bombastic husband and smart, pretty,
assertive wife. Neighbor/relative couple composed of slightly-older
somewhat-dim-but-likeable husband and smart-attractive-friendly wife.
BLB hubby gets into various jams, finally realizes his mistake, SPA
wife always forgives him. Wife is never fazed by anything hubby does -
stands right up to him. Jim Belushi and Courtney Thorne-Smith are just
channeling Jackie Gleason and Audrey Meadows.

Almost all sitcoms were based on the Honeymooners formula until the
mid-late 1970s. The only real change was the addition of kids (usually
precocious and smart-mouthed).

Then "Barney Miller", "WKRP" and later "Taxi" invented the workplace
ensemble comedy. Which is also highly imitated.

"Home Improvement" blended the two genres almost perfectly.

Of course for every classic, there are many many which were a waste of
time from the beginning.

Both could take garbage material,
and make us laugh with it.


Not garbage at all! Elegant. Not a wasted line or shot in the shows.

Genius.

Agreed!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Leo September 14th 04 10:58 PM

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:20:20 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:



William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -



You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...


I tolerate Leo too.


And I you! :)


Tolerance isn't in fashion much these days. Too bad.

- Mike KB3EIA -


73, Leo


William September 14th 04 11:27 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
m...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If my memory serves me right, the four Morsemen we

Larry Roll
Dave Hiel
Dick Carroll
Jim Micollis

Lenover21 would know exactly - he coined it.

I would have told Dee...but she never reads my posts (what she said
in here). :-)


Yeh, what up widat? ;^)

(you now she reads every one of dem)


The only way I catch a glimpse of lenover21 is when someone such as yourself
responds to him.


I respond to about 1/3 to 1/2 of them. Steve has the rest covered.

So you're probably seeing all of them.

Hi, hi!

I have him filtered out as I don't care to read his
rambling, disjointed, and multitudinous posts. Usually when I see that a
post is a reply to one of his, I'll skip over it. Not always though such
as this one.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


You lucked out.

William September 14th 04 11:29 PM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -


You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...


If you'd added your Farnsworth testing boilerplate and the bit about
repeater owners enriching themselves, I'd think you were going mad.

Dave K8MN


Nice article about MARS in Sept CQ. I may rejoin.

William September 14th 04 11:30 PM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -



You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...


I tolerate Leo too.


Do you think his name is not Leo?

Tolerance isn't in fashion much these days. Too bad.


I'm a tolerant person also.

N2EY September 15th 04 01:22 AM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...

The only way I catch a glimpse of lenover21 is when someone such as yourself
responds to him. I have him filtered out as I don't care to read his
rambling, disjointed, and multitudinous posts. Usually when I see that a
post is a reply to one of his, I'll skip over it. Not always though such
as this one.


I have a similar system. Some authors are totally blocked, others I
read completely. Saves time and makes rrap a much better experience.

73 de Jim, N2EY

William September 15th 04 02:46 AM

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

I have to ask...

Who is Moe, who is Larry, and who is Curly/Shemp?

hehe, well we all know who Moe is!


I don't. C'mon, spell it out.


Now figuring out the other two is more of a problem.


Let's do a poll!

73 de Jim, N2EY

(who actually met Moe Howard back in the 1970s)


Most incredibly Kewl!

It was at a film festival in NJ. Several hours of classic Stooges.
Guest of honor was Moe, who did not look at all like he does in the
films - until he took off his glasses and combed his hair forward.
Then, except for the silver hair, he *was* Moe.

Let's look at the personalities:

Moe - impatient, grumpy, and given to yelling, temper tantrums and name
calling.


Also demands to be the boss of whatever is done.

Out of the three, Lenover21, William, and Steve, the person showing the
biggest tendency to do this is of course Lenover21. While Steve can
certainly throw out the insults with the best of them, he reserves it
for when he is provoked. Len apparently finds my middle of the road and
mild posts provoking.


Len finds *anything* other than complete agreement with his stated
opinions to be provoking. That's just the way he is. His act here
jumped the shark years ago.


If you subbed Steve for Len in the above assessment, I'd be in
complete agreement with you.

Next is a problem. Larry is a relatively mild mannered straight man that
bears half or maybe more of Moe's angry outbursts, plus an unending
stream of name calling. I have to see Larry as more like myself or even
you, Jim!


Agreed - except that in some cases Larry will take part in the
violence chain (Moe slaps Larry, Larry slaps Curly, Curly
slaps...nobody there to slap)


I can see Steve in that positio as well. Personality #2.

You and I don't do that, which further provokes Moe....er, Len.


Steve.

Now to the others. William appears to feel kind of put-upon lately,
judging from his posts. I think that the stooge that most fits his
present situation is Joe Besser. I can still hear Joe' "Stopp iit" when
I think of him.


Good point! But I would say Brian is more Larry-like in some ways.


Ha! Good one.

Now for the last of the trio. Remember how Curly Howard would get all
spun up and make noises when Moe would poke him in the eye or smack him
on the head with a hammer. He was good for a "hmmmm.. wise guy!",
barking at Moe, and even getting in pokes at Moe of his own.

Yes, Curly Howard in this poll is our own Steve.


You do make a good point.


Personality #3.

He is also able to do the entire cast of F-Troop and Get Smart all by
himself.

Dave Heil September 15th 04 05:19 AM



William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -

You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...


If you'd added your Farnsworth testing boilerplate and the bit about
repeater owners enriching themselves, I'd think you were going mad.

Dave K8MN


Nice article about MARS in Sept CQ. I may rejoin.


Rejoin?

Dave K8MN

William September 15th 04 06:14 PM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -

You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it gets...

If you'd added your Farnsworth testing boilerplate and the bit about
repeater owners enriching themselves, I'd think you were going mad.

Dave K8MN


Nice article about MARS in Sept CQ. I may rejoin.


Rejoin?

Dave K8MN


Rejoin.

Len Over 21 September 15th 04 06:53 PM

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...

The only way I catch a glimpse of lenover21 is when someone such as

yourself
responds to him. I have him filtered out as I don't care to read his
rambling, disjointed, and multitudinous posts. Usually when I see that a
post is a reply to one of his, I'll skip over it. Not always though such
as this one.


I have a similar system. Some authors are totally blocked, others I
read completely. Saves time and makes rrap a much better experience.


That works very well for ostriches.

See only what you wish to see. Safe, secure to the psyche.

Trust in the league to tell you How Things Should Be. Tolerate
nothing else. The league is your shepherd, you shall not want.

Anything not in accordance with Standard Practice is heresy.
Shout out that heretics are "wrong" whenever you can.

There is no independence, no freedom, only Standard League
Operating Practice. [acronym SLOP]

Go outside the Official Guidelines and your amateur job is
terminated.



Len Over 21 September 15th 04 06:53 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message


Heck your
fishing expeditions wouldn't be half as much fun without him here.

"Fishing expeditions?" I don't fish.

PCTA bait their hooks and offer me their lines. No problem at all
to reel them in. Easy thing.


You seem to have some confusion on the concept of fishing. Let's
see...."they" bait their hooks and offer you a line. Now then, *you*
have a reel? It doesn't sound like an easy thing at all.


Dave, if you're a big enough fish, the fisherman becomes the quary.


Brian, he just handed you the line... :-)

Let him go, he's undersized.

Hi hi.



Len Over 21 September 15th 04 06:53 PM

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"William" wrote in message
om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If my memory serves me right, the four Morsemen we

Larry Roll
Dave Hiel
Dick Carroll
Jim Micollis

Lenover21 would know exactly - he coined it.

I would have told Dee...but she never reads my posts (what she said
in here). :-)


Yeh, what up widat? ;^)

(you now she reads every one of dem)


The only way I catch a glimpse of lenover21 is when someone such as yourself
responds to him. I have him filtered out as I don't care to read his
rambling, disjointed, and multitudinous posts. Usually when I see that a
post is a reply to one of his, I'll skip over it. Not always though such
as this one.


Tsk. If it isn't within 50 PPM tolerance of ARRL political speak,
differing opinions are "rambling, distored, and multitudinous?" :-)

Amateur radio must be Just So for Dee or she cannot tolerate words
of independence. [she hefts her mama spanking paddle...]

Too bad about fear of being downsized or outsourced if the amateur
job isn't done Just So? :-)

Tsk.



Len Over 21 September 15th 04 06:53 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If my memory serves me right, the four Morsemen we

Larry Roll
Dave Hiel
Dick Carroll
Jim Micollis

Lenover21 would know exactly - he coined it.


I would have told Dee...but she never reads my posts (what she said
in here). :-)


Yeh, what up widat? ;^)

(you now she reads every one of dem)


Actually irrelevant. Mama Dee doesn't have long enough arms to
wield her spanking paddle again "children" far away. Tsk.

She makes Pronouncements...sounding like ARRL-southwest.

Proper etty-kett at all times, using "official" How To Act notices.

Job fear can drive many over the edge. If one doesn't behave like
'real' hams are 'supposed' to be, they will be fired, downsized, or
outsourced.





Len Over 21 September 15th 04 06:53 PM

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message

...

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message

...


There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -



You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it

gets...

I tolerate Leo too.

Tolerance isn't in fashion much these days. Too bad.


Why do you state the obvious?

PCTA don't allow a single bit of tolerance for those who do not love,
honor, and cherish the beloved morse code.

A few might blow air-kisses at NCTA in an attempt to demonstrate
their "tolerance," but that is just lip-service.

ARS = Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society to the PCTA.





Len Over 21 September 15th 04 06:53 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

It's just a matter of trying to determine which face you're presenting
with any given topic.

What you see is what you get, Steve. Just to clear up any confusion on
your part, here are my thoughts on the predominate topics regularly
discussed here on rrap.

1 -- I think that Morse (CW) is a fun operating mode, sort of like
restoring old-time automobiles.
2 -- I do not think that Morse testing ought to be required to obtain an
amateur radio license of any class.
3 -- I think that you, Len, and Brian are a modern-day reincarnation of
the Three Stooges. You guys ought to petition NBC or CBS to revive that
show on TV.


Two out of three ain't bad... :-)



Wonder if he's drunk? And abrasive as all sailors can be.

Reencacting Cinderella Liberty.


It might be the funny little hat and bell-bottoms they have to wear.

Also the regulation uniform...


That's why they got their name stenciled over their back pocket. So
you can tell one dumbass from the next.


Now, now...we have to be "civil" to the uniform wearers, those
resplendant in PCTA Class-As.


Then you've got multiple-personality Steve asking what face someone is
presenting!!!

Hi, hi!

Such comedy, such slapstick!


Old-school vaudeville...the sticks molded out of old Handbooks.

Curtain call happened long ago but they hang around hoping for
an audience.

Let me know when one of these guys goes over Niagara in a barrel.


Offhand, I'd say they all had done it. That's why they are as they
are. Trauma from all the tumbling going over them falls.



Mike Coslo September 15th 04 08:05 PM

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
(N2EY) writes:



snip



I have a similar system. Some authors are totally blocked, others I
read completely. Saves time and makes rrap a much better experience.



That works very well for ostriches.


Depends if there is any content of worth.


rest snipped

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike Coslo September 15th 04 08:07 PM

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


William wrote:


Mike Coslo wrote in message


...

William wrote:


Mike Coslo wrote in message

...


There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil anonymity.
To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -


You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it


gets...

I tolerate Leo too.

Tolerance isn't in fashion much these days. Too bad.



Why do you state the obvious?


Sometimes the obvious needs stated. You clearly know that.


PCTA don't allow a single bit of tolerance for those who do not love,
honor, and cherish the beloved morse code.


Uh huh.

A few might blow air-kisses at NCTA in an attempt to demonstrate
their "tolerance," but that is just lip-service.


How do you *know* that?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Len Over 21 September 16th 04 12:57 AM

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message

...

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message

...


There is a difference between civil anonymity and non-civil

anonymity.

To not get that is to not get it.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Incorrect.

If there is no disagreement, then anonymity is just peachy.

But it is their anonymity that is -attacked- when there is a
disagreement, i.e., Steve calls them cowardly scum for hiding behind a
mask.

But I am not Steve!

What a broad paintbrush we paint with.

- Mike KB3EIA -

You tolerate it, even condone it.

What a broad zone of tolerance you have for the PCTA, and how narrow it

gets...

I tolerate Leo too.

Tolerance isn't in fashion much these days. Too bad.


Why do you state the obvious?


Sometimes the obvious needs stated. You clearly know that.


It's quite obvious there is little (nearly zero) tolerance of NCTAs by
the PCTA. In here.

You knew that...but, lacking a good comeback, you mumble into
your keyboard a lot of null sentence content. :-)

PCTA don't allow a single bit of tolerance for those who do not love,
honor, and cherish the beloved morse code.


Uh huh.


Well, that's how it is with the ARS [Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society]

If the code test goes, the PCTA extras lose their main bragging
right statement. Tsk.

A few might blow air-kisses at NCTA in an attempt to demonstrate
their "tolerance," but that is just lip-service.


How do you *know* that?


Observation. With open eyes. :-)

Take in all, don't bury head in sand to avoid hearing independent thoughts.

Let the ARRL by your radio hobby "Miss Manners" and Tell You What
You Should Do, implant all the "correct" thoughts you should think.
They've done that for many years. Lots of hams follow their lead to the
letter. [in psywar circles that is termed "brainwashing"]

Always reject "improper" thoughts expressed by anyone else. League
would like that. Follow them like lemmings.

Not me. Been in real communications radio on HF and am open to
all ideas, not those that were "official" back before I was born.

Independent thinking is not for the faint of heart...or those who feel
they get their "chops busted" when someone rejects their "official"
opinions.



William September 16th 04 03:32 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message


Heck your
fishing expeditions wouldn't be half as much fun without him here.

"Fishing expeditions?" I don't fish.

PCTA bait their hooks and offer me their lines. No problem at all
to reel them in. Easy thing.

You seem to have some confusion on the concept of fishing. Let's
see...."they" bait their hooks and offer you a line. Now then, *you*
have a reel? It doesn't sound like an easy thing at all.


Dave, if you're a big enough fish, the fisherman becomes the quary.


Brian, he just handed you the line... :-)

Let him go, he's undersized.

Hi hi.



Must be ruff not being rare-DX anymore.

Dave Heil September 16th 04 04:15 AM

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:


Nice article about MARS in Sept CQ. I may rejoin.


Rejoin?


Rejoin.


I wasn't aware that CQ had become a membership organization. I just
subscribe.

Dave K8MN


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