Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/22/2004 7:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.


It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you
were the moderator.


I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum.

Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat
room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting.

I couldn't agree more!

The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the very
same "rules" he would impose on others...

Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.

Now that tells us much.


If you had been to one of those, then you do not need to be "told"
about it. It is self-evident. Merely observe. That's all that's
necessary.

A buncha guys, and sometimes gals. People put back a few. Some are
great folk, some are obnoxious. A microcosm of life. I have no interest
in that sort of thing, but it's harmless enough as long as they don't
drive off half-tanked.


If you haven't been to a fraternal order hall with bar, then think of a
conclave of PCTA self-described wire-pullers and add some alky.
Same thing.

Don't hate, man.

C'mon Mike...Don't expect miracles.

OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi.

Since when? And what do they rule anyhow?


Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key.
They think that all radio communications revolves around morse
code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but
they are Believers and will not listen to reason.

But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that.

Protestations to the contrary, Mike, just about all of us in the "pro
code" camp have expressed and discussed other modes, activities and interests.

Lennie keeps dragging that old, tired rhetoric of his around and tries to
wave it like a tattered old battle flag.

Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not true.
But it makes him happy to wave it.

Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the
PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are.

that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the
(probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be?


If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication,
including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist
with each other.

Not in Lennie's world. Thank God it goes no farther than his own, sad and
beleagured mind.

That should end any "dispute." The PCTA get what they want.
The name is readjusted to what it had become in testing.


Amateur radio is just another hobby involving electronics. There are
dozens-plus hobbies involving electronics and that is where the
electronics-interested hobbyists have gone. Most of those non-ham
hobbyists don't give a damn about morse code or recreating some
"pioneer days" re-enactments through constantly re-living olden
days that were around before most hams of today were born.

I guess history must be bad, huh?

Of course it is.

UNLESS, of course, you are a one-tour-wonder Army radio mechanic from
1953.

Then the tale warrants retelling at every opportunity.

There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute
and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love,
honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that.

I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement.

Not all readers have "seen that".

I, for one, have publically stated (and do so again here) that although I
support Morse code use AND testing, it's time is passing and it's time to move
on.

Of course Lennie ignores this (and similar comments from other posters of
similar thought) and goes right on with his assertions about how allegedly
reluctant any one is to discuss anything else.

Even more ironic is that when we DO discuss anything else, Lennie or Brian
do thier best to pull the thread into yet another "PCTA Extras Destroying The
Radio World" rant.

There's lots of folks who MIGHT have come in here and made their
opinions known on issues...but are hesitant to not wanting to be
called nasty names by those same PCTA extras. That's the
"rule" part...rule by intimidation, intimidation by any manner.

At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^)

Uh huh.

Betchya I could sell you a bride in New York, too, Mike...?!?!

For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't
open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the
intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks,
zero discussion.

hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to
their opinion.

The "diss and cuss" comes from being "dissed" and "cussed" by certain
non-Amateur aggitators. One in particular.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/22/2004 7:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo

writes:



Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.


It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you
were the moderator.


I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum.

Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat
room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting.

I couldn't agree more!


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.


He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the very
same "rules" he would impose on others...


I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of
what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to
be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts
something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the
person's motives.


Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.

Now that tells us much.


If you had been to one of those, then you do not need to be "told"
about it. It is self-evident. Merely observe. That's all that's
necessary.

A buncha guys, and sometimes gals. People put back a few. Some are
great folk, some are obnoxious. A microcosm of life. I have no interest
in that sort of thing, but it's harmless enough as long as they don't
drive off half-tanked.



If you haven't been to a fraternal order hall with bar, then think of a
conclave of PCTA self-described wire-pullers and add some alky.
Same thing.

Don't hate, man.


C'mon Mike...Don't expect miracles.


hehe, I'm just a cockeyed, hockey puck optimist! 8^)


OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi.

Since when? And what do they rule anyhow?


Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key.
They think that all radio communications revolves around morse
code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but
they are Believers and will not listen to reason.

But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that.


Protestations to the contrary, Mike, just about all of us in the "pro
code" camp have expressed and discussed other modes, activities and interests.

Yup!

Lennie keeps dragging that old, tired rhetoric of his around and tries to
wave it like a tattered old battle flag.

I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories
with the historical aspect.

Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not true.
But it makes him happy to wave it.


Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the
PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are.

that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the
(probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be?



If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication,
including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist
with each other.


Not in Lennie's world. Thank God it goes no farther than his own, sad and
beleagured mind.


That should end any "dispute." The PCTA get what they want.
The name is readjusted to what it had become in testing.


Amateur radio is just another hobby involving electronics. There are
dozens-plus hobbies involving electronics and that is where the
electronics-interested hobbyists have gone. Most of those non-ham
hobbyists don't give a damn about morse code or recreating some
"pioneer days" re-enactments through constantly re-living olden
days that were around before most hams of today were born.

I guess history must be bad, huh?


Of course it is.

UNLESS, of course, you are a one-tour-wonder Army radio mechanic from
1953.

Then the tale warrants retelling at every opportunity.


I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the
to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts
of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details.


There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute
and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love,
honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that.

I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement.


Not all readers have "seen that".

I, for one, have publically stated (and do so again here) that although I
support Morse code use AND testing, it's time is passing and it's time to move
on.

Of course Lennie ignores this (and similar comments from other posters of
similar thought) and goes right on with his assertions about how allegedly
reluctant any one is to discuss anything else.

Even more ironic is that when we DO discuss anything else, Lennie or Brian
do thier best to pull the thread into yet another "PCTA Extras Destroying The
Radio World" rant.


Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer.


There's lots of folks who MIGHT have come in here and made their
opinions known on issues...but are hesitant to not wanting to be
called nasty names by those same PCTA extras. That's the
"rule" part...rule by intimidation, intimidation by any manner.

At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^)


Uh huh.

Betchya I could sell you a bride in New York, too, Mike...?!?!

Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names,
or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or
otherwise denigrated others?

Oh..... yes.......I guess they have...



For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't
open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the
intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks,
zero discussion.

hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to
their opinion.


The "diss and cuss" comes from being "dissed" and "cussed" by certain
non-Amateur aggitators. One in particular.


- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.

Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.

He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the
very
same "rules" he would impose on others...

I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of
what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to
be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts
something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the
person's motives.

My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for
any radio operator license.

If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand
to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose.


I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories

with the historical aspect.

"You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup (before being arrested)

The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since
WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement.

My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year.

I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that
many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not
operating in any amateur bands.

Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom
will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's
a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and
lack of experience.

Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not
true.
But it makes him happy to wave it.

Tsk. An illustration of my point by another...


I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the

to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts
of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details.

In this environment such is wasted effort.

There is a considerable body of knowledge and history compiled about
all of radio. Very little of it concerns amateur radio, which makes some
of the amateur radio lifestylers very angry. Those lifestylers were never
in that part of the radio world and want to shut their eyes and ears to it.


Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer.

PCTA extras can only offer braggadoccio about their "operating
skills" and their disgust at those who don't venerate them.


Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names,
or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or
otherwise denigrated others?

Oh..... yes.......I guess they have...

Only after prolonged exposure to those who yell and yell against
all those who don't agree with them.

Unfortunately, the PCTA extras in here are so thin-skinned they
cannot abide opposition of the slightest kind. Their problem.

The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is
there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the
PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA?

Time marches on, but few march to the beat of the CQ in morse
these days. The morse code test has long since outlived its
usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because
some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None
at all.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.

Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.

There's nothing funny about anything you post, Lennie.

You are mistruthful.

You are deceitful.

You are arrogant.

You are misguided.

He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the
very
same "rules" he would impose on others...

I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of
what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to
be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts
something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the
person's motives.

My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for
any radio operator license.

If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand
to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose.

It is only your OPINION that the Code test no longer serves any
purpose.

Morse Code continues to be a necessary and viable means of
AMATEUR RADIO communication.

I emphasize AMATEUR RADIO since you seem to continue to think
that we are discussing Military, PLMRS, broadcasting or Public Service
programs.

I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories

with the historical aspect.

"You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup (before being arrested)

You're the one with the truth problems, Lennie.

The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since
WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement.

It's being dealt with.

My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year.

I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that
many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not
operating in any amateur bands.

Absolutely correct. You were NOT operating in the Amateur Radio
service.

Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom
will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's
a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and
lack of experience.

A lie. Period.

Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not
true.
But it makes him happy to wave it.

Tsk. An illustration of my point by another...

It's dated, Lennie.

Except for some "10-4 Good Buddy" exchanges and using a
ship-to-shore radio which did not require any operator licensure, you
ahve ZERO experience in AMATUER RADIO communications or applications.

I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the

to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts
of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details.

In this environment such is wasted effort.

There is a considerable body of knowledge and history compiled about
all of radio. Very little of it concerns amateur radio, which makes some
of the amateur radio lifestylers very angry. Those lifestylers were never
in that part of the radio world and want to shut their eyes and ears to it.

No, Lennie, we don't shut our eyes to it.

Your stories of ADA were interesting the first time around.

It was sometime between the 85th to 90th time we heard them and
why those 1950's era "experiences" somehow qualified you to render
opinions on 21st century AMATEUR RADIO that they became dreary and
laborious.

Also, your lame attempts to glorify YOUR rear area support duties
by association with Soldiers who were KIA three years before you had
even enlisted made the rest of the tale pretty weak.

Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer.

PCTA extras can only offer braggadoccio about their "operating
skills" and their disgust at those who don't venerate them.

No one has to "venerate" them, Lennie.

The "disgust" is yuors...for all the 675K+ people in the United
States, children included, who can legally operate a radio station
while you can't.

Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names,
or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or
otherwise denigrated others?

Oh..... yes.......I guess they have...

Only after prolonged exposure to those who yell and yell against
all those who don't agree with them.

Leonard, Leonard, Leonard.

Please stop it.

Yours and mine little tit-for-tat only occured after you spent a
great deal of time calling me a Nazi, elitist, jack booted thug, etc.

You only perpetuate your reputation as a pathological liar when
you try to pass this off on others.

Unfortunately, the PCTA extras in here are so thin-skinned they
cannot abide opposition of the slightest kind. Their problem.

YOUR problem.

We won't let you liberally lie, deceive and otherwise treat with
disdain something we know better about without retort.

The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is
there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the
PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA?

That's only "the question" as it pertains to you.

The rest of us have more or less moved on.

You keep trying to make an issue of a NON-issue.

Time marches on, but few march to the beat of the CQ in morse
these days. The morse code test has long since outlived its
usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because
some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None
at all.

There are numerous reasons.

Keeping you out of Amateur Radio being number 1 on the list.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.

Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.

There's nothing funny about anything you post, Lennie.

You are mistruthful.

You are deceitful.

You are arrogant.

You are misguided.


"You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

72, de Hans, K0HB"

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.


Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.


You are 100 percent correct. The hypocrites just don't see it.



He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the

very

same "rules" he would impose on others...

I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of
what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to
be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts
something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the
person's motives.


My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for
any radio operator license.

I'd be more inclined to call it your rationale. Respectfully submitted
that you may have other motives.



If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand
to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose.

I observe motives, not question them. Have whatever motive you might like.



I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories


with the historical aspect.


"You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup (before being arrested)


The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since
WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement.

yes

My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year.

I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that
many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not
operating in any amateur bands.

Was that one of the MFJ units? Did it work well? I've looked at them,
and thought they might be nice for traveling with. Small, and
inexpensive enough that I wouldn't have to worry about damage to it, as
I might my main transceiver.


Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom
will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's
a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and
lack of experience.

I always try not to ridicule people. My folks taught me better. Or
tried to! ;^)



Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not

true.

But it makes him happy to wave it.


Tsk. An illustration of my point by another...



I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the


to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts
of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details.


In this environment such is wasted effort.

Not really. I am an insatiable collector of such stories. And most
people are happy to share. some seem surprised because many new Hams
don't care about hearing about past exploits of others.


There is a considerable body of knowledge and history compiled about
all of radio. Very little of it concerns amateur radio, which makes some
of the amateur radio lifestylers very angry. Those lifestylers were never
in that part of the radio world and want to shut their eyes and ears to it.

I enjoy "non ARS" stories too. We have an Old timer in the local club
that had a career as an Engineer at a television station. Lots of good
stories about the stuff that went on there. He was happy to talk, and I
was happy to listen.


Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer.


PCTA extras can only offer braggadoccio about their "operating
skills" and their disgust at those who don't venerate them.


Well, I'm not too bad of a contester, but my CW skills frankly suck.
Mostly I hang out on PSK31, where I'm a fair typist.


Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names,
or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or
otherwise denigrated others?

Oh..... yes.......I guess they have...


Only after prolonged exposure to those who yell and yell against
all those who don't agree with them.

When I came here there was name calling. There still is name calling.
Maybe its a chicken and egg sort of thing. I don't know when it started,
or who started it. I'm not all that concerned about who started it
either. There's always time to start over.

If the participants want to.


Unfortunately, the PCTA extras in here are so thin-skinned they
cannot abide opposition of the slightest kind. Their problem.

It is a broad brush you paint with.

The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is
there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the
PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA?

That question might be honed to include the personalities involved.


Time marches on, but few march to the beat of the CQ in morse
these days.

Agreed. Most of them are Hams.

The morse code test has long since outlived its
usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because
some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None
at all.

If it goes away, I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

Hold on a second!! what's wrong with middle aged wallabies? I think
they are kinda cute!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for
any radio operator license.

I'd be more inclined to call it your rationale. Respectfully submitted
that you may have other motives.

I have no other "motives" in here.

That you want to "charge" me with something is an indication that
you wish to misdirect the flow of the subject into something else.

If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand
to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose.

I observe motives, not question them. Have whatever motive you might
like.

You imagine other motives rather than "observe" them.

I've stated my advocacy in here many times, yet so many have
to invent "other' motives. "They can't handle the truth!" :-)


The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since
WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement.

yes

Then nothing has changed on the code test.

My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year.

I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that
many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not
operating in any amateur bands.

Was that one of the MFJ units? Did it work well? I've looked at them,
and thought they might be nice for traveling with. Small, and
inexpensive enough that I wouldn't have to worry about damage to it, as
I might my main transceiver.

NOT an "MFJ unit." I was designed and is made by SGC (Stoner
Goral Company) in Belleview, WA. Model number is 2020.

Search for "SGC" and you will get their website. You can also see a
nice review of it on Antennex (www.antennex.com) by Richard Morrow,
one of the regular contributers there. More pictures, too.

The 2020 is sold to anyone who cares to buy it. [not cheap] SGC's
market is probably divided between boat owners and hams plus
some non-hams for land use.

SGC also has some nice automatic antenna tuners. (4 models?)

Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom
will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's
a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and
lack of experience.

I always try not to ridicule people. My folks taught me better. Or
tried to! ;^)

That's a good trait and you get a high-five for that. Pity that some
other folks' kids weren't taught better.


In this environment such is wasted effort.

Not really. I am an insatiable collector of such stories. And most
people are happy to share. some seem surprised because many new Hams
don't care about hearing about past exploits of others.

The "happiness" in sharing goes away after a number of those
"untrained" others want to pee in the puddle...because they LIKE
to do that sort of thing. [not unlike hecklers in cabaret stage shows]


I enjoy "non ARS" stories too. We have an Old timer in the local club
that had a career as an Engineer at a television station. Lots of good
stories about the stuff that went on there. He was happy to talk, and I
was happy to listen.

According to a strident minority in here, non-ham experiences are
verboten, forbidden, shouted down, etc., etc. Take it up with them.


When I came here there was name calling. There still is name calling.
Maybe its a chicken and egg sort of thing. I don't know when it started,
or who started it. I'm not all that concerned about who started it
either. There's always time to start over.

It started when the newsgroup was first formed...to take on the "code
test" issue that was getting out of hand in rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous.

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society would have NO talk against
removing any morse code test, anywhere, anytime. They let all the
heretics (the ones wanting freedom of entry) KNOW it in no uncertain
words.


It is a broad brush you paint with.

Broad brushes are necessary when the graffitti is spread so far
and wide.


The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is
there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the
PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA?

That question might be honed to include the personalities involved.

Did that. Denial on their part.


The morse code test has long since outlived its
usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because
some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None
at all.

If it goes away, I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

The morse code test is an excellent reference point for braggadoccio
by those who passed it. They can then rightfully claim they did
"more" than newcomers did...and by extension the newcomers are
"dumbed down" by demonstration because they didn't have to take
a test. There's really no end of rationalizing the olde-tymers' self-
proclaimed superiority.

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:

I always try not to ridicule people. My folks taught me better. Or
tried to! ;^)


That's a good trait and you get a high-five for that. Pity that some
other folks' kids weren't taught better.


I'm going on a vacation for a bit, so won't be able to reply for a few
days.

But let us note this. We have been carrying on for some (weeks?) now,
you and I, and despite our obvious disagreements, have managed to
maintain a fairly civil conversation. I don't know what that means,
aside from the fact that it can be done! 8^)

Have fun while I'm away - I'm not ignoring you, just not at a computer!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:

I always try not to ridicule people. My folks taught me better. Or
tried to! ;^)


That's a good trait and you get a high-five for that. Pity that some
other folks' kids weren't taught better.


I'm going on a vacation for a bit, so won't be able to reply for a few
days.

But let us note this. We have been carrying on for some (weeks?) now,
you and I, and despite our obvious disagreements, have managed to
maintain a fairly civil conversation. I don't know what that means,
aside from the fact that it can be done! 8^)

Have fun while I'm away - I'm not ignoring you, just not at a computer!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Give Darkguard my best. 73, bb