"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

"Joe Guthart" wrote in message ...
What's going on here ... the talk of restructuring to remove morse code requirements has been
going on for over 18 months. Many, many countries have already removed the morse code
requirement to gain access to HF. Sure there's been a lot of backlash from those who still want
to keep code alive. I know this is the government, but, what is taking so long? Can't they come
to some decision quickly. Anyone have a proposed timeline of when this will be settled.


Just wait til after the November elections. This time of the election
year nothing gets done. Everyones busy flapping their gums.

"Phil Kane" wrote in message . net...
On 21 Sep 2004 00:12:02 GMT, Alun wrote:

The US may be the last country to abolish the code test, the way things are
going. Mind you, AFAIK the code test has still not been abolished in Spain
or Italy(?), although I don't think there's a code test anywhere else much
in Europe anymore.

Most of the countries where the code test has been dropped do not
have the same requirement for rules changes that the US has, such as
consideration of public input and comments, publication of notice of
rulemaking, petitions for reconsideration and court appeals, etc.

They just DO it ..... (usually because someone in the regulatory
Administration thinks that it is a good thing to do without public
input....)

How about when the ITU thinks its a good thing to do?

In article et, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Alun wrote in message .. .
(Brian Kelly) wrote in
om:

"Joe Guthart" wrote in message
...
What's going on here ... the talk of restructuring to remove morse
code requirements has been going on for over 18 months. Many, many
countries have already removed the morse code requirement to gain
access to HF.

Kindly note that "other countries" don't generally lead the U.S.
around by it's nose. The U.S. seldom blindly buys into "many many
foreign goverments'"internal policies. We ain't EU/UN sheep. Take your
pick.

Sure
there's been a lot of backlash from those who still want to keep code
alive.

It's not a "backlash", a very large precentage of the U.S. ham
population favors the retention of the code test. The FCC is quite
aware of this divide within the hobby and as a result continues to let
the matter cook on one of their sub-basement back burners until they
manage to get back to the matter. Typical bush-league bureaucratic
work and aggravation avoidance ploy. Keeps their inbox flak & spam
levels down.

I know this is the government, but, what is taking so long?

Because the public has no vested interest at all in whether the ham
code test goes away or not. The FCC has *much* bigger fish to fry with
it's scarce resources. For instance the public needs the FCC to focus
it's assets on dramatically reshuffling the whole upper RF spectrum to
accomodate wireless broadband access to the Internet far more than the
public needs the FCC to diddle with rules changes which allow more
codeless hobbyists access to the HF ham bands.

Can't they come
to some decision quickly.

Joesph did you just get off the boat at Ellis Island Joe??

Anyone have a proposed timeline of when this will be settled.

Nice troll Joe. At least in on-topic for once.

w3rv


That's not a troll

If so then he really did just get off the boat.

w3rv

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In the 14 months since last July, there have been well over a dozen different
restructuring proposals to FCC from various groups and individuals. They
range
from as simple as "drop the code test and leave everything else alone" to
major renovations including new license classes, subband changes, etc. Each
and
every proposal I know of has been assigned an RM number, put on the public
record, opened for public comment, etc. Eventually the FCC will generate an
NPRM from all that info, there will be more comments and reply comments and
eventually the rules may change. Or not.

Yes, and eventually the world will end...or not. :-)

To be informative, you could have named the Petitions for Rule Making
in their number groups (three groups in all), when they were released
(again in three groups) and how to access them. All are still on public
viewing by anyone, either at the FCC Reading Room or over the Internet
at the FCC ECFS (Electronic Comment Filing System).

You COULD have given that information...but did not.

Instead there was some kind of assortment of undetailed facts which
were obvious but uninformative. That is pretense at expertise, a sort
of show-off of words rattled off to make it sound like you know what
you are about. But they aren't helpful to those unaquainted of the
facts, are they?

Naturally, you will launch into a tirade of "you are wrongs!" at being
negatively criticized. That is also Standard Operating Procedure in
here. :-) [PCTA extras are always right, all others "wrong"...:-) ]

Consider this: Amateur radio is communications. With all the
near-instant communications capability of radio amateurs, you
would think that all would have found out about the 18 petitions for
rule making within twelve months. Apparently not. You depend on
a single source for all the "information," the ARRL bulletins and
news...or various rumors (and myths) propagated across the
Internet. So, what are all those radios good for? Making casual
quick contacts which you all amplify to "making lifelong friends"
via a 5-minute QSO? Having "radio sport" of making the most
contacts in a given time?

But, not to worry. All those who are licensed at the "top" class
now will be grandfathered to continue in U.S. ham radio. You PCTA
extras will never be affected by the presence or absence of a morse
code test. That only affects newcomers. "Drudges," newbies, those
who you PCTA extras allege are "still wet behind the ears."

Isn't the wind cold at those high altitudes of Mt. Olympus? Tsk.

In article , Alun
writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in
. com:

"Joe Guthart" wrote in message
...
What's going on here ... the talk of restructuring to remove morse
code requirements has been going on for over 18 months. Many, many
countries have already removed the morse code requirement to gain
access to HF.

Kindly note that "other countries" don't generally lead the U.S.
around by it's nose. The U.S. seldom blindly buys into "many many
foreign goverments'"internal policies. We ain't EU/UN sheep. Take your
pick.

Sure
there's been a lot of backlash from those who still want to keep code
alive.

It's not a "backlash", a very large precentage of the U.S. ham
population favors the retention of the code test. The FCC is quite
aware of this divide within the hobby and as a result continues to let
the matter cook on one of their sub-basement back burners until they
manage to get back to the matter. Typical bush-league bureaucratic
work and aggravation avoidance ploy. Keeps their inbox flak & spam
levels down.

I know this is the government, but, what is taking so long?

Because the public has no vested interest at all in whether the ham
code test goes away or not. The FCC has *much* bigger fish to fry with
it's scarce resources. For instance the public needs the FCC to focus
it's assets on dramatically reshuffling the whole upper RF spectrum to
accomodate wireless broadband access to the Internet far more than the
public needs the FCC to diddle with rules changes which allow more
codeless hobbyists access to the HF ham bands.

Can't they come
to some decision quickly.

Joesph did you just get off the boat at Ellis Island Joe??

Anyone have a proposed timeline of when this will be settled.

Nice troll Joe. At least in on-topic for once.

w3rv


That's not a troll

Alun, Kelly's remarks are "civil discourse" of PCTA extras. :-)

As a sidelight, Ellis Island has been closed for immigration
purposes for years. My mother and her family came through
there in 1924, my father and his brother through there in 1928.
Both parents became naturalized U.S. citizens later.

Apparently the "Kelly" surname is native to North America,
judging by the tenor of the "civil discourse." :-)

[this is beginning to sound like the PCTA are a branch of
the DAR...:-) ]

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: "Phil Kane"
Date: 9/21/2004 1:13 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

On 21 Sep 2004 00:12:02 GMT, Alun wrote:

The US may be the last country to abolish the code test, the way things are
going. Mind you, AFAIK the code test has still not been abolished in Spain
or Italy(?), although I don't think there's a code test anywhere else much
in Europe anymore.

Most of the countries where the code test has been dropped do not
have the same requirement for rules changes that the US has, such as
consideration of public input and comments, publication of notice of
rulemaking, petitions for reconsideration and court appeals, etc.

They just DO it ..... (usually because someone in the regulatory
Administration thinks that it is a good thing to do without public
input....)

But Phil, after the opening of the No Code Tech in 91 along with the FCC's
stated psoition on the relevence of Code testing, along with the tons of papaer
they've received on it already, just how many more "hearings" or comments do
they need?

73

Steve, K4YZ

"Alun" wrote in message
...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in news:20040921201024.04815.00000600@mb-
m17.aol.com:

In article et, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY


It puts people off, especially those who have no plans to ever use CW, and
there are a lot of those.

If I remember correctly, this is why the no-code Tech license was created.

Oh, want increased "privileges?" Earn them. Sometimes earning something
(Like a degree, for example.) means "learning" a few things that you may
never use.

Heaven forbid we should teach this concept to our kids. Instead they have a
whole generation of underachevers who would rather whine than achieve.
Remember the Regents!

It "puts people off," it'd almost be funny...if it weren't so sad.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782