Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: "KØHB"
Date: 10/3/2004 3:16 PM Central Standard Time
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"William" wrote


Hi, hi!


OGosh(awara)!William should go on DX-pedition to Ha-Ha-Jima, be
honolable N0IMD/JD1!

Perhaps he can go on a DXpedition with that other tried-and-true
DXpeditioner, KB1HMW. They can then go see the sights and meet preety fems
rather than operate the radios. I am sure they ahve a lot in common.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/3/2004 2:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/3/2004 9:11 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve

For example, he keeps trying to confuse Amateur Radio with PLMRS, GMRS,
Armed Forces Communications, CB, etc etc etc.

I think Len would be very happy if Amateur Radio became just like cb.

We forget Lennie's only reason for being a "radio
professional"...profit.

Nothing wrong with that!

There is when you try to force square pegs into round holes.

Lennie has that very hammer in his hands, determined to make the wrong
pegs fit for the wrong reasons.

Hmmmm. That would be like saying that MARS is Amateur Radio.

Wrong Service, Wrong Frequencies, Wrong Purpose!

Same spirit and intent, predominantly run by Amateurs.

Hi, hi!

Best of Luck

No luck needed. You're still quoting out of context and laughing about
it. The problem is you're the only one laughing. That in and of itself should
be a red flag to you, but you're not paying attention.

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Yep, 35 years later they've got Collins. Keepin' up with the times.

That's right, "William", I've got a modified 75A-3 which is about 51
years old, a 51S-1 which was produced in the late seventies and a
KWM-2A which was built about the same time as Len's Icom R-70 receiver.
I have an Orion which was produced last year.

How do you like using the Orion?

No rig is perfect. The Orion is very, very close.

I stopped by Ten-Tec last year and looked at it, didn't buy it.

They still make 'em.

I know. And the last QST had a nice ad for it. To be honest, I don't
know what I want in my next rig. That's why I keep looking.

I also have other functional ham gear from the twenties, thirties,
forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties. I'm
keeping up with the times--ALL of 'em.

Nothing earlier?

To have anything earlier, I'd have to find something earlier.

I've only seen photos.

All I
have is a piece of something earlier. My late friend W4JBP first became
a ham in 1912 on the family farm near Indianapolis. John gave me the
spark coil from an old Reo truck. It was the basis for his very first
rig. It is coated in pitch and mounted in a small dovetailed wooden
box.

If you build it, you'll be tempted to use it.

You vastly underestimate my self-restraint. Using a spark rig is
something to which I aspire. I have a couple of TNT self-controlled
type replica transmitters. If the antenna swung in the breeze, they'd
be all over the band. I've resisted the temptation to put them on the
air for about a decade.

Dave K8MN

Brian Kelly wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Yep, 35 years later they've got Collins. Keepin' up with the times.

That's right, "William", I've got a modified 75A-3 which is about 51
years old, a 51S-1 which was produced in the late seventies and a
KWM-2A

NICE collection!

....and I saw a fairly priced 75A-4 at the Washington, PA hamfest this
morning. I resisted.

which was built about the same time as Len's Icom R-70 receiver.
I have an Orion which was produced last year.

How do you like using the Orion?

No rig is perfect. The Orion is very, very close.

I stopped by Ten-Tec last year and looked at it, didn't buy it.

They still make 'em.

But David they don't come with antennas and somebody who knows how to
install antennas so that's the end of Silly Willy Beeper's Ten-tec
dream machine.

Ahhh! They have a "William" variant. The Orion is available with a
built-in antenna tuner. I didn't get that model.

I also have other functional ham gear from the twenties, thirties,
forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties. I'm
keeping up with the times--ALL of 'em.

Nothing earlier?

To have anything earlier, I'd have to find something earlier. All I
have is a piece of something earlier. My late friend W4JBP first became
a ham in 1912 on the family farm near Indianapolis. John gave me the
spark coil from an old Reo truck. It was the basis for his very first
rig. It is coated in pitch and mounted in a small dovetailed wooden
box.

Yeeee-haw! One of those was my very first "transmitter"!

In seventh or eighth grade I found a big thick dusty 1920s compilation
of DIY projects which had appeared earlier in Popular Mechanics in the
jr. high library. What there was of it. 1950 timeframe. Lotta radio
projects and I built a couple crystal sets from the articles. None of
this 1N34 nonsense, go find a chunk of Galena then go find a hot spot
on it with a home-brewed cat whisker . . worked.

There was an article on building a spark TX based on a Model T Ford
spark coil which is obviously the same critter Reo used. I went spark
coil hunting and bought mine from J.C. Whitney which stocked heaps of
Model T parts and diddled with it. My Lionel train transformer did a
good job as it's "power supply".

I wrapped a dozen or so turns of wire around the wooden box to serve
as the "secondary" of the spark coil and grounded one end of it to a
copper water pipe in the rafters. Then I strung up some wire from the
"output" end of the secondary fom my cellar "laboratory" to an apple
tree out back. Connected a J-38 between the Lionel xfmr output and the
spark coil primary and was set to hit the airwaves.

I needed somebody to listen for me and after several days of getting
patted on my noggin and being written off as a nutcase I managed to
finally recruit George Barnum who lived a block and a half away to
listen for me. His older brother had a radio and TV repair shop so
George sorta understood what I was up to. He heard me *good* when I
fired the thing up on sked.

The problem was that I really screwed up by arranging the sked when
every houswife in town was listening to the Don McNeil Breakfast Club
Hour while they were doing their ironing. I completely obliterated the
AM b'cast band for blocks around, the phone rang off the hook and Mom
not only terminated my Grand Experiment but almost terminated me too.
Again.

You actually disrupted the march around the breakfast table? My pre-ham
radio days were from Hinton, West Virginia with an old doorbell buzzer
and ten-volt transformer. I "worked" Bobby Hayth next door. We were
each using old BC/SW receivers in wooden cabinets but we could have used
any AM receiver on about any frequency at that distance. Let's just say
that the tuning wasn't at all critical. Something about decrement, heh
heh.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Some imagination, eh? Musta be reeeeeeeeal proud of that "radio
professional" background.

Just proud and satisfied. I have one. Nursie doesn't. Tsk.



Weren't you the fellow with no need to titles or status?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Some imagination, eh? Musta be reeeeeeeeal proud of that "radio
professional" background.

Just proud and satisfied. I have one. Nursie doesn't. Tsk.



Weren't you the fellow with no need to titles or status?

Lennie's just proud that he was smart enough to scam his way
through life on the works of others. And got away with it, ta-boot.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/4/2004 5:15 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/3/2004 2:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/3/2004 9:11 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve

For example, he keeps trying to confuse Amateur Radio with PLMRS,
GMRS,
Armed Forces Communications, CB, etc etc etc.

I think Len would be very happy if Amateur Radio became just like cb.

We forget Lennie's only reason for being a "radio
professional"...profit.

Nothing wrong with that!

There is when you try to force square pegs into round holes.

Lennie has that very hammer in his hands, determined to make the
wrong
pegs fit for the wrong reasons.

Hmmmm. That would be like saying that MARS is Amateur Radio.

Wrong Service, Wrong Frequencies, Wrong Purpose!

Same spirit and intent, predominantly run by Amateurs.

Predominantly? How about entirely owned by DoD?

"Owned" and "run by" are NOT the same, Your Lameness.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Please tell me about third party agreements in MARS.

YOU tell ME what 3rd Party agreements have to do with any of this...?!?!

Hi, hi!

Best of Luck

No luck needed. You're still quoting out of context and laughing
about
it. The problem is you're the only one laughing. That in and of itself
should
be a red flag to you, but you're not paying attention.

You lied. Dismissed.

No, I've not.

And it will be a very cold day in the Devil's Parlor before a wimp like
you can "dismiss" ANYone ! ! !

Deposit another quarter and play again.

You say I "lied", but can't say what about.

I say YOU have lied and the proof is in your lack of evidence to the
contrary.

Your Putz factor is rising, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/4/2004 9:41 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/4/2004 5:15 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/3/2004 2:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/3/2004 9:11 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,

(Steve

For example, he keeps trying to confuse Amateur Radio with PLMRS,
GMRS,
Armed Forces Communications, CB, etc etc etc.

I think Len would be very happy if Amateur Radio became just like
cb.

We forget Lennie's only reason for being a "radio
professional"...profit.

Nothing wrong with that!

There is when you try to force square pegs into round holes.

Lennie has that very hammer in his hands, determined to make the
wrong
pegs fit for the wrong reasons.

Hmmmm. That would be like saying that MARS is Amateur Radio.

Wrong Service, Wrong Frequencies, Wrong Purpose!

Same spirit and intent, predominantly run by Amateurs.

Predominantly? How about entirely owned by DoD?

"Owned" and "run by" are NOT the same, Your Lameness.

OK, lemme see.

The USAF MARS Director is a DoD employee.

The USN/MC MARS Director is a DoD employee.

The USA MARS Director is a DoD employee.

Gosh, I wonder who's running MARS?

All of the civilians who happen to have Amateur Radio licenses, that
without, would not be allowed to participate in the program.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Please tell me about third party agreements in MARS.

YOU tell ME what 3rd Party agreements have to do with any of
this...?!?!

Amateur Radio has third party agreements.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio

... MARS has third party agreements.

So what are they?

You tell me, Brain.

You've still not made a connection.

You ARE still quoting out of context.

Hi, hi!

Best of Luck

No luck needed. You're still quoting out of context and laughing
about
it. The problem is you're the only one laughing. That in and of itself
should
be a red flag to you, but you're not paying attention.

You lied. Dismissed.

No, I've not.

You have.

MARS is not Amateur Radio.

Quoted out of context again.

Same one-liner dodge from answering any questions about your own failed
misdeeds in Newsgroup Adventuring.

Same putz.

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

......ought to look in MSN. :-)

You mean this?:

http://www.lanierbb.com/inns/bb25919.html


Note the location ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:


That's right, "William", I've got a modified 75A-3 which is about 51
years old, a 51S-1 which was produced in the late seventies and a
KWM-2A

NICE collection!

...and I saw a fairly priced 75A-4 at the Washington, PA hamfest this
morning. I resisted.

Woo-woo! Nice piece. What are they going for these days?

Ya hafta resist or ya go nuts. I've sworn to myself not to clutter
this place up with any boat anchors. None. Zero tolerance for boat
anchors around here. But then I spot the R4B and the 75S-3B again and
remember all the goodies I worked and all the fun I had with them and
start to crumble. I need a Boat Anchors Anonymous chapter to help me
deal with it but alas, no such thing . . .

No rig is perfect. The Orion is very, very close.

I stopped by Ten-Tec last year and looked at it, didn't buy it.

They still make 'em.

But David they don't come with antennas and somebody who knows how to
install antennas so that's the end of Silly Willy Beeper's Ten-tec
dream machine.

Ahhh! They have a "William" variant. The Orion is available with a
built-in antenna tuner. I didn't get that model.

Unless it can impedance-match his TV rabbit ears it wouldn't do much
for him. Maybe when he wises up and moves . .

. . . . I completely obliterated the
AM b'cast band for blocks around, the phone rang off the hook and Mom
not only terminated my Grand Experiment but almost terminated me too.
Again.

You actually disrupted the march around the breakfast table?

Yeah, how stupid was that?

My pre-ham
radio days were from Hinton, West Virginia with an old doorbell buzzer
and ten-volt transformer. I "worked" Bobby Hayth next door. We were
each using old BC/SW receivers in wooden cabinets but we could have used
any AM receiver on about any frequency at that distance.

Good show! I gotta wonder how many others have done these kinds of
stunts on their way into ham radio.

Let's just say
that the tuning wasn't at all critical. Something about decrement, heh
heh.

Welp the good news was that nobody needed cascaded INRAD filters to
find us . . ?

Dave K8MN

w3rv

Brian Kelly wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:


That's right, "William", I've got a modified 75A-3 which is about 51
years old, a 51S-1 which was produced in the late seventies and a
KWM-2A

NICE collection!

...and I saw a fairly priced 75A-4 at the Washington, PA hamfest this
morning. I resisted.

Woo-woo! Nice piece. What are they going for these days?

Well, there's the ebay price and there's the small hamfest price.
This one was in pretty good shape and a firm 500 clams.

Ya hafta resist or ya go nuts. I've sworn to myself not to clutter
this place up with any boat anchors.

I have not taken such a vow.

None. Zero tolerance for boat
anchors around here. But then I spot the R4B and the 75S-3B again and
remember all the goodies I worked and all the fun I had with them and
start to crumble. I need a Boat Anchors Anonymous chapter to help me
deal with it but alas, no such thing . . .

Go with the flow. It beats collecting Hummel figurines.


But David they don't come with antennas and somebody who knows how to
install antennas so that's the end of Silly Willy Beeper's Ten-tec
dream machine.

Ahhh! They have a "William" variant. The Orion is available with a
built-in antenna tuner. I didn't get that model.

Unless it can impedance-match his TV rabbit ears it wouldn't do much
for him. Maybe when he wises up and moves . .

Or does some planning so that he can put up a decent antenna with
adequate safeguards so his kids can't touch it.

"It's all about the chil'ren."

. . . . I completely obliterated the
AM b'cast band for blocks around, the phone rang off the hook and Mom
not only terminated my Grand Experiment but almost terminated me too.
Again.

You actually disrupted the march around the breakfast table?

Yeah, how stupid was that?

At least you knew better than to disrupt a bunch of fathers listening to
a football game or a boxing match. That could have gotten a whole lot
more confrontational. Zed Zainoon W8ENJ, a Lebanese-American screwed up
the TV reception at a Moundsville bar close to his home back in the
early '50s with his Collins KW-1 AM KW. There was very nearly a
lynching.

My pre-ham
radio days were from Hinton, West Virginia with an old doorbell buzzer
and ten-volt transformer. I "worked" Bobby Hayth next door. We were
each using old BC/SW receivers in wooden cabinets but we could have used
any AM receiver on about any frequency at that distance.

Good show! I gotta wonder how many others have done these kinds of
stunts on their way into ham radio.

I'll bet oodles of 'em.

Let's just say
that the tuning wasn't at all critical. Something about decrement, heh
heh.

Welp the good news was that nobody needed cascaded INRAD filters to
find us . . ?

Nope. I just adjusting the gap on the doorbell buzzer for maximum noise
on the radio.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Ahhh! They have a "William" variant. The Orion is available with a
built-in antenna tuner. I didn't get that model.

Unless it can impedance-match his TV rabbit ears it wouldn't do much
for him. Maybe when he wises up and moves . .

Or does some planning so that he can put up a decent antenna with
adequate safeguards so his kids can't touch it.

"It's all about the chil'ren."

It is.

Anyway, I had to install the antenna tuner on my TS-690S, the SSB and
CW filters, and the voice module.

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/4/2004 7:14 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Gosh, I wonder who's running MARS?

All of the civilians who happen to have Amateur Radio licenses,

DoD runs MARS.

For DoD purposes, not Amateur purposes.

On MARS frequencies, not on Amateur frequencies.

With DoD regulations, not Amateur regulations.

Riley has nothing to do with it.

Didn't say he did.

And without all those Amateurs as "Affiliates", there'd be no MARS. Just
MRS.

that
without, would not be allowed to participate in the program.

If the military ran out of amateur radio volunteers, they would open
the doors to another volunteer group. MARS would continue.

And you know this...How...?!?!

SecDef chose you to hold some closely guarded secret...?!?!

Or it would fold. There were strong rumors several years ago that it
would fold, even though there were plenty of Amateur volunteers.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Please tell me about third party agreements in MARS.

YOU tell ME what 3rd Party agreements have to do with any of
this...?!?!

Amateur Radio has third party agreements.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio

... MARS has third party agreements.

So what are they?

You tell me, Brain.

It's "Brian."

It was. Then you started back in with the "Yell DMC/Yell Yell/You're
nuts" routine.

Now you're back to being "Brain".

I kept my side of it up.

You couldn't handle yours.

You tell me. You're the one making wild-eyed claims that "MARS
IS Amateur Radio!"

You've still not made a connection.

Then you're synapses are not firing.

You ARE still quoting out of context.

Quoted EXACTLY as you typed it.

You are still in denial.

You quoted one line out of a several paragraph post wherein I drew an
analogy between the spirit of volunteerism in both.

You keep thinking you are making a point, but all you are doing is
succeeding in proving MY point that that one "line" is all you have to "come at
me" with.

Pretty lame, but then you ARE the Prince of Lameness.

Sucks to be you.

OK, if "MARS IS Amateur Radio," and in amateur radio CW is
allowed almost everywhere; where is CW allowed on MARS?

See the above.

MARS is not Amateur Radio.

Quoted out of context again.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!"

Quoted EXACTLY as you typed it.

Same one-liner dodge from answering any questions about your own
failed
misdeeds in Newsgroup Adventuring.

See the above.

You lied.

Nope. Not to you. Not to anyone here.

Same putz.

Same potty mouth.

Nope. You've proved you earned it, Brain.

Enjoy it...embrace it...It's yours.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Brian Kelly wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian Kelly wrote:

That's right, "William", I've got a modified 75A-3 which is about
51
years old, a 51S-1 which was produced in the late seventies and
a
KWM-2A

NICE collection!

...and I saw a fairly priced 75A-4 at the Washington, PA hamfest this
morning. I resisted.

Woo-woo! Nice piece. What are they going for these days?

Well, there's the ebay price and there's the small hamfest price.
This one was in pretty good shape and a firm 500 clams.

oh mama!

Some years back I was tabled next to a guy selling a very nice A4. All the
filters, reduction knob, book. $250. I resisted. I still regret it.

Ya hafta resist or ya go nuts. I've sworn to myself not to clutter
this place up with any boat anchors.

I have not taken such a vow.

Why resist if you have the space and it gives you pleasure?

None. Zero tolerance for boat
anchors around here. But then I spot the R4B and the 75S-3B again and
remember all the goodies I worked and all the fun I had with them and
start to crumble. I need a Boat Anchors Anonymous chapter to help me
deal with it but alas, no such thing . . .

Go with the flow. It beats collecting Hummel figurines.

Send him to my basement for the cure...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:


...and I saw a fairly priced 75A-4 at the Washington, PA hamfest this
morning. I resisted.

Woo-woo! Nice piece. What are they going for these days?

Well, there's the ebay price and there's the small hamfest price.
This one was in pretty good shape and a firm 500 clams.

Without knowing just what A4s have been going for these days $500
seems to be reasonable if it's in decent shape.

Ya hafta resist or ya go nuts. I've sworn to myself not to clutter
this place up with any boat anchors.

I have not taken such a vow.

Was not optional in my case.

None. Zero tolerance for boat
anchors around here. But then I spot the R4B and the 75S-3B again and
remember all the goodies I worked and all the fun I had with them and
start to crumble. I need a Boat Anchors Anonymous chapter to help me
deal with it but alas, no such thing . . .

Go with the flow.

Depends on what's flowing where. I have health and space problems and
was sinking in cubic yards upon cubic yards of up to 50 years worth of
CRAP and was almost under when I decided that I had to either take my
life back or commit hari-kari. So I spread almost all of my posessions
out on an empty 20 x 80 foot floor in the old textile mill I'd haunted
since I was a kid. I sorted thru the heap and picked a small pile to
save for myself. Then I invited family members and a few others to
trash pick the heap before I ordered the dumpster. Micollis got his
van load.

Then I went berserk and turned myself into a one-man front end loader
and up the hill to the landfill the 30 or 40 yard trash container
went. In retrospect I probably should have kept some stuff I
dumpstered but I'm not losing any sleep over it. I did my kids a
favor, they'll dumpster everything which is left anyway when I croak
so I've saved them some of that chore

.. . like my Quaker school first grade teacher admonished "Know thyself
Master Brian!". Yeah, I do know myself, I'm patterned, I'm a
compulsive pack rat. That's why I gotta be a hardass and not go back
to collecting nice old radios else I'll wind up right back where I
was.

It beats collecting Hummel figurines.

Don't even bring up Hummels David . . the ex is a Hummel freak who has
a buddy who was the wife of a G.I. stationed in Germany back when the
Hummel craze was barely getting off the ground. Net result being that
the ex has some number of 25 gallon fibre barrels fulla the things
which she bought with pocket change back then. Gotta be worth big
bucks today. Many years later the property settlement was not pretty.
She and her idiot lawyer got to nit picking my assets so just to be
annoying I told de judge that I wanted to get into splitting up the
collection of Hummels. Which she "conveniently" forgot to list as one
of her assets of course. At which point my lawyer hissed in my ear,
"If you intend to get serious about splitting up a collection of #%X&#
Hummels go find another lawyer!".

Ahhh! They have a "William" variant. The Orion is available with a
built-in antenna tuner. I didn't get that model.

Unless it can impedance-match his TV rabbit ears it wouldn't do much
for him. Maybe when he wises up and moves . .

Or does some planning so that he can put up a decent antenna with
adequate safeguards so his kids can't touch it.

Per a post of his around here a couple days ago he's trying to be
contrite and explained that his antenna problem involves some sort of
installation "restrictions". Maybe like CC&Rs or some such, he didn't
say . . .

"It's all about the chil'ren

Whatta weenie . .

Or like the guy across the street who bought a 40 inch flatsceen TV
"for the chullins" but they're not allowed to use it.

You actually disrupted the march around the breakfast table?

Yeah, how stupid was that?

At least you knew better than to disrupt a bunch of fathers listening to
a football game or a boxing match.

After I finally got my Novice ticket Pop found out real quick what I
was doing to his world so we agreed that I wouln't fire up the 80M
ARC-5 on Friday nites while the "Gillette Calvacade of Sports" fights
were on the boob tube. The problem I had with Mom ealier however did
not involve an "agreement".

That could have gotten a whole lot
more confrontational. Zed Zainoon W8ENJ, a Lebanese-American screwed up
the TV reception at a Moundsville bar close to his home back in the
early '50s with his Collins KW-1 AM KW. There was very nearly a
lynching.

Heeee! Precious moments in ham radio.

Let's just say
that the tuning wasn't at all critical. Something about decrement, heh
heh.

Welp the good news was that nobody needed cascaded INRAD filters to
find us . . ?

Nope. I just adjusting the gap on the doorbell buzzer for maximum noise
on the radio.

Yessir: Like tuning for max output with an NE-2 or a flourecent tube.
To hell with this anal-retentive SWR nonsense. Who invented this BS
anyway??

Dave K8MN

w3rv

Brian Kelly wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:


...and I saw a fairly priced 75A-4 at the Washington, PA hamfest this
morning. I resisted.

Woo-woo! Nice piece. What are they going for these days?

Well, there's the ebay price and there's the small hamfest price.
This one was in pretty good shape and a firm 500 clams.

Without knowing just what A4s have been going for these days $500
seems to be reasonable if it's in decent shape.

The Pittsburgh WB3 who was mulling the buy over contacted the seller the
day after the hamfest and bought it.

Ya hafta resist or ya go nuts. I've sworn to myself not to clutter
this place up with any boat anchors.

I have not taken such a vow.

Was not optional in my case.

None. Zero tolerance for boat
anchors around here. But then I spot the R4B and the 75S-3B again and
remember all the goodies I worked and all the fun I had with them and
start to crumble. I need a Boat Anchors Anonymous chapter to help me
deal with it but alas, no such thing . . .

Go with the flow.

Depends on what's flowing where. I have health and space problems and
was sinking in cubic yards upon cubic yards of up to 50 years worth of
CRAP and was almost under when I decided that I had to either take my
life back or commit hari-kari. So I spread almost all of my posessions
out on an empty 20 x 80 foot floor in the old textile mill I'd haunted
since I was a kid. I sorted thru the heap and picked a small pile to
save for myself. Then I invited family members and a few others to
trash pick the heap before I ordered the dumpster. Micollis got his
van load.

Sure wish I'd known you back then. It would have been worth a road
trip!

Then I went berserk and turned myself into a one-man front end loader
and up the hill to the landfill the 30 or 40 yard trash container
went. In retrospect I probably should have kept some stuff I
dumpstered but I'm not losing any sleep over it. I did my kids a
favor, they'll dumpster everything which is left anyway when I croak
so I've saved them some of that chore

....or they'll put it on ebay and smile all the way to the bank.

. . like my Quaker school first grade teacher admonished "Know thyself
Master Brian!". Yeah, I do know myself, I'm patterned, I'm a
compulsive pack rat. That's why I gotta be a hardass and not go back
to collecting nice old radios else I'll wind up right back where I
was.

My bride and I are both packrat types. That's one reason we had to
build the 16 x 30' barn. Thankfully, there's heat out there so the
stuff doesn't get damaged.

It beats collecting Hummel figurines.

Don't even bring up Hummels David . . the ex is a Hummel freak who has
a buddy who was the wife of a G.I. stationed in Germany back when the
Hummel craze was barely getting off the ground. Net result being that
the ex has some number of 25 gallon fibre barrels fulla the things
which she bought with pocket change back then. Gotta be worth big
bucks today. Many years later the property settlement was not pretty.
She and her idiot lawyer got to nit picking my assets so just to be
annoying I told de judge that I wanted to get into splitting up the
collection of Hummels. Which she "conveniently" forgot to list as one
of her assets of course. At which point my lawyer hissed in my ear,
"If you intend to get serious about splitting up a collection of #%X&#
Hummels go find another lawyer!".

I have a cousin going through all of that now. His soon-to-be-ex is
another Hummel fanatic. There wasn't an uncluttered flat surface in
their large house. His lawyer told him pretty much the same thing as
yours told you.

Ahhh! They have a "William" variant. The Orion is available with a
built-in antenna tuner. I didn't get that model.

Unless it can impedance-match his TV rabbit ears it wouldn't do much
for him. Maybe when he wises up and moves . .

Or does some planning so that he can put up a decent antenna with
adequate safeguards so his kids can't touch it.

Per a post of his around here a couple days ago he's trying to be
contrite and explained that his antenna problem involves some sort of
installation "restrictions". Maybe like CC&Rs or some such, he didn't
say . . .

Could be CC&R problems. It could be wifely concerns about the chil'ren.
It could be his concern about what the neighbors will say. A simple
A-frame mast or even a 4x4 topped with a 2x4 would have given him
another support. He could have easily protected the fed portion from
the chil'ren.

"It's all about the chil'ren

Whatta weenie . .

After a long period of observed behavior, I'm in agreement.

Or like the guy across the street who bought a 40 inch flatsceen TV
"for the chullins" but they're not allowed to use it.

Doesn't want to damage their sensitive eyes?

After I finally got my Novice ticket Pop found out real quick what I
was doing to his world so we agreed that I wouln't fire up the 80M
ARC-5 on Friday nites while the "Gillette Calvacade of Sports" fights
were on the boob tube. The problem I had with Mom ealier however did
not involve an "agreement".

Our old B&W TV in Oak Hill, WV must've had a 21 meg IF. I ate it alive
every time I tried to get on 15m with the old DX-40. I spent my days as
a Novice on 40 and 80m.

That could have gotten a whole lot
more confrontational. Zed Zainoon W8ENJ, a Lebanese-American screwed up
the TV reception at a Moundsville bar close to his home back in the
early '50s with his Collins KW-1 AM KW. There was very nearly a
lynching.

Heeee! Precious moments in ham radio.

There are guys (beer drinkers, not hams) STILL talking about it!

We were in a two-house compound in Botswana. A chunky, middle-aged,
single personnel lady moved in next door. She raised hell about my 160m
sigs setting off her burglar alarm. One embassy staffer tried to be
helpful. "David is transmitting at way too high a frequency", he
opined.

Only the Regional Security Officer, the younger brother of actress
Margarent Colin, had a handle on the situation. I outlined the problem,
including the fact that none of the alarm system wires was shielded.
He had the house system rewired by a local technician. When the guy
showed up with some small shielded cable, Tom said, "This stuff is too
thin and unobtrusive to run down her walls. Don't you have any fat gray
or black cable that'll really show up?" That's what they used, big ugly
gray wire running to each motion detector head. It eliminated the
personel officer's problem and mine.

Dave K8MN

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Gosh, I wonder who's running MARS?

All of the civilians who happen to have Amateur Radio licenses,

DoD runs MARS.

For DoD purposes, not Amateur purposes.

On MARS frequencies, not on Amateur frequencies.

With DoD regulations, not Amateur regulations.

Riley has nothing to do with it.

Didn't say he did.

You said that "MARS IS Amateur Radio!"

Riley is a regulator of Amateur Radio. Therefore Riley is a regulator
of MARS.


Incorrect use of deductive logic. Otherwise we could say: Roses are red,
Apples are red, therefore roses are apples. Or we could go: Dogs are
carnivores, bears are carnivores, therefore dogs are bears.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:


Without knowing just what A4s have been going for these days $500
seems to be reasonable if it's in decent shape.

The Pittsburgh WB3 who was mulling the buy over contacted the seller the
day after the hamfest and bought it.

Very familiar routine, I always (make myself) balk at jumping on
pricey impulse buys no matter how much I just have the have the thing.
Whatever it might be. I've lost "deals I couldn't refuse" to others
who didn't hesitate and won some by going home and thinking it thru
first like your WB3 did.

out on an empty 20 x 80 foot floor in the old textile mill I'd haunted
since I was a kid. I sorted thru the heap and picked a small pile to
save for myself. Then I invited family members and a few others to
trash pick the heap before I ordered the dumpster. Micollis got his
van load.

Sure wish I'd known you back then. It would have been worth a road
trip!

You did "know" me then, it was just a year or so ago but I didn't get
into it here. I had a lotta stuff but most of it had nothing to do
with radio. Household goods, lumber, leftover home handyman crap,
clothing, obsolete office machinery, darkroom "treasures" and beyond.
A photo-freak nephew carted off my big Kodak Model A enlarger . . I
have no idea how old it was, probably came out of the 1930s. "Good
luck with that clunker Tim!" . . . poof: gone: wunnerful.

With a few exceptions the radio stuff was really ancient,
uninteresting junque not worth anything to anybody except to a rare
Miccolis type or two. He never got anywhere near the few goodies which
are not junque like the meatball Collins rcvr., the R4B, the 2M gear,
the TNCs, HTs etc. which I still have. You wouldn't have bothered
hauling off any of the crap he glomed.

Believe me, you'd have been really disappointed if you'd done a
600-700 mile overnighter round trip for that non-event.

Woulda been one helluva yard sale though.

dumpstered but I'm not losing any sleep over it. I did my kids a
favor, they'll dumpster everything which is left anyway when I croak
so I've saved them some of that chore

...or they'll put it on ebay and smile all the way to the bank.

They'd have to know how to handle used ham gear via e-bay and they
don't. I'll direct it to Handi-Hams or the technical high school club
in Brooklyn or to the ARRL or to the FRC or sumpthin' like that which
they can handle. And get their inflated tax deductions. They
understand that "method" and will smile all the way to the bank.

. . . That's why I gotta be a hardass and not go back
to collecting nice old radios else I'll wind up right back where I
was.

My bride and I are both packrat types. That's one reason we had to
build the 16 x 30' barn. Thankfully, there's heat out there so the
stuff doesn't get damaged.

That's a professional-level pack-ratting facility David, nice, heated
and all huh? Of course it helps to have yer own gas well doesn't it?

Per a post of his around here a couple days ago he's trying to be
contrite and explained that his antenna problem involves some sort of
installation "restrictions". Maybe like CC&Rs or some such, he didn't
say . . .

Could be CC&R problems. It could be wifely concerns about the chil'ren.
It could be his concern about what the neighbors will say. A simple
A-frame mast or even a 4x4 topped with a 2x4 would have given him
another support. He could have easily protected the fed portion from
the chil'ren.

Sure. But he'll still weave, bob and duck. He doesn't have the time to
mess with antennas anyway, furiously posting here sucks up all the
spare time which others use to get on the air and operate.

"It's all about the chil'ren

Whatta weenie . .

After a long period of observed behavior, I'm in agreement.

Delayed development problems . . .

Or like the guy across the street who bought a 40 inch flatsceen TV
"for the chullins" but they're not allowed to use it.

Doesn't want to damage their sensitive eyes?

Doesn't want the kids screw up the timer which tells the VCR when to
record the sports events he'll miss when he can't be there to watch
'em.

Our old B&W TV in Oak Hill, WV must've had a 21 meg IF. I ate it alive
every time I tried to get on 15m with the old DX-40. I spent my days as
a Novice on 40 and 80m.

Those 21 Mhz TV IFs came along about the same time the 15 meter band
was opened to ham radio. Bordered on an engineering scandal. So then
they moved the TV IFs to 42 Mhz to get away from the hams. As if 15M
ham ops don't pump out harmonics. Welcome to the '50s techo geniuses
at the IEEE, the EIA, RCA and the FCC . . .

That could have gotten a whole lot
more confrontational. Zed Zainoon W8ENJ, a Lebanese-American screwed up
the TV reception at a Moundsville bar close to his home back in the
early '50s with his Collins KW-1 AM KW. There was very nearly a
lynching.

Heeee! Precious moments in ham radio.

There are guys (beer drinkers, not hams) STILL talking about it!

Somebody oughta tape their tales for posterity. You got a digicam?

We were in a two-house compound in Botswana. A chunky, middle-aged,
single personnel lady moved in next door. She raised hell about my 160m
sigs setting off her burglar alarm. One embassy staffer tried to be
helpful. "David is transmitting at way too high a frequency", he
opined.

Ya just gotta wonder . . .

Only the Regional Security Officer, the younger brother of actress
Margarent Colin,

NICE sister!

had a handle on the situation. I outlined the problem,
including the fact that none of the alarm system wires was shielded.
He had the house system rewired by a local technician. When the guy
showed up with some small shielded cable, Tom said, "This stuff is too
thin and unobtrusive to run down her walls. Don't you have any fat gray
or black cable that'll really show up?" That's what they used, big ugly
gray wire running to each motion detector head. It eliminated the
personel officer's problem and mine.

That was MEAN and ROTTEN. Shame on you, tsk, tsk. Also involved some
gonads, toying with snivel service personnel types can lead to
"issues" . . .

Dave K8MN

w3rv

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Len Over 21 wrote:

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Or, on the cheap side of the coin, "recycled" parts using mainly
technology that is 50 to 40 years old (K4YZ homepage).

What fault do you find with that and why doesn't any of it appear of
K4YZ's homepage?

Len is confused. He cannot deal with the fact that K4YZ and N2EY are not
the
same person.

There's a whole lot that he is confused about.

For example, he keeps trying to confuse Amateur Radio with PLMRS, GMRS,
Armed Forces Communications, CB, etc etc etc.

I think Len would be very happy if Amateur Radio became just like cb.

Nothing in the Southgate Type 7 is "cheap". The parts used were very
inexpensive, but of high quality.

Geez,
absolutely zilch time spent in trying to make any of it
attractive.

Wrong again!

A lot of time and effort were spent making it attractive to the intended
market. No time or effort was spent making it attractive to Len.

Of course...the Supreme Engineer forgot that the purpose of the
project
was to provide a functional device.

Ya missed the point.

"Attractiveness" is in the eye of the beholder. Look at how clothing
designs
have changed over the years.

Tsk. Kluges are still kluges.

I don't know of any clothing styles called "kluges".

"Kluge" isn't a clothing style. It refers to a thrown-together
(usually hastily) collection of odds and ends of aerospace
things to serve a temporary purpose. Been a common term
in aerospace for a half century.

You should call it "modern radio art" and thereby rationalize that
you are "advancing the state of the radio art!" :-)

Is that an order?

Tsk. Still upset about your handiwork not being admired and
respected? Even if it has the appearance of being a kluge?

Riiiiiight...by making "modern" radio designs using tubes in the
1990s...:-)

Electro-politically incorrect to you, I suppose...

Gosh no. Forget the transistor got invented in the 1940s. Tubes
are venerable, traditional, the stuff of might and brawn in hum
raddio...according to the olde-tymers.

I find that most of the "modern ready-built" radio sets are very
unattractive.

...just like all the other radio amateurs? :-)

I find some other radio amateurs unattractive too. Most I find to be
nice people.

But, you don't LIKE the "modern ready-builts." :-)

You want to re-invent the wheel and get all the applause for being
able to use chassis punches... :-)

Why are the designer-manufacturers continuing (after years of doing
so) to design such "unattractive" exteriors?

One reason is that it's cheaper for them to do so. Another is that, as
in fashion, conventional marketing wisdom says that things have to
change in order to sell more product.

Is it all a conspiracy
against the superior esthetic sense of Jimmie?

You can't be talking about me, because I don't claim any "superior
esthetic sense".

HAR! :-)

What I do have is "independent thought" about what's attractive and
not attractive. I find that most of the "modern ready-built" radio sets are
very
unattractive. If that's unacceptable to you, tough.

Rationalization for being ultra-cheap...or terribly strapped for available
cash even though working as an electronics engineer (implied) for
money. Tsk.

Cluttered front panels, poor color choices, knobs and displays way too
small
and too close together, etc., etc. So I purposely avoid such design in my
projects. If the set is a little bigger because of it - so what?

Kluges are still kluges. :-)

Back to talking about clothing again?

Not me. "Kluge' is a familiar term in aerospace. Too bad you never
worked in that...

Decals for radio markings have been around for a half century...

So what? I don't think the use of decals would make the Type 7
attractive to you.

Tsk. Still smarting from the lack of appreciation of your personal
hobby stuff?

are
clearer to read that scribbled felt-tip marker pen markings.

There are no such markings on the Type 7.

Hard to tell from a single picture on a personal website.

But, if
those are "beauty" to you, feel free to enjoy it.

I don't need your permission, Len.

Tsk. But all NCTAs need YOUR permission to exist in here... :-)

Try NOT to impose
your "standards of beauty" (radio-wise) on others.

I don't. It is *you* who try to impose your standards of
"attractiveness" on others.

You've said that morse code is "music to your ears." :-)

Tsk. That wasn't in any music appreciation venue that I know
of (and that's considerable).

Yet we are yet to see any examples of *your* homebrew HF radio
projects, made in your own shop with only your own resources.

Ah. The "challenge" is made! Gauntlet thrown down.

SHOW WORK! MAKE WEB PAGES FOR DISPLAY!

"Proof" is in the web pages! If it doesn't exist, then everyone
"lies." :-)

DOS tip, Len: AOL gives you a free home page with each screen name.
You can have up to seven! Plus they provide easy-to-use software to
help you set them up. Even I managed to get two of them done in a
short time. (Yes, there's another...)

Tsk. The limit is 2 MB per name. Good for some snapshots,
little more. :-)

So *show us* what *you* could do in the home workshop, using only your
own resources.

Geez...all but baring your teeth in a snarly challenge! :-)

You are still put out that all I said of your single photo was that it
was "neat." No gushing admiration for your prodigious chassis
punching, no respect for your mnemoic capabilities of tube circuit
recall. Sigh.

About the Type 7:

Had I used "decals" on the Type 7, you'd complain that they were
glossy and hard to read, plus easy to rub or wash off.

A simple Lucite of Plexiglass cover plate (easy to work) will
protect such things.

Had I used tape labels, you'd complain that they looked "primitive"

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Had I used engraved nameplates, you'd complain that they looked old
and like an afterthought.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Had I silkscreened the front panel, you'd complain that it wasn't
engraved.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Had I engraved the front panel, you'd complain about the color choice.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Or similar stuff.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Jim's radio did just that.

And much more.

Mission accomplished.

Not the stuff of "marketable design!"

That'd be a real problem if it was built to be a marketable design.

The intended market thinks it's an excellent design and of high quality
manufacture.

It seems that the real issue is that it bugs Len no end that someone
he considers an inferior (me) can do something he can't. Not just
building a rig, but being able to use it on the air. Not just from a
license/legal perspective, but from a practical operating skills
perspective.

Tsk. Inferiority complex you have?

We forget Lennie's only reason for being a "radio
professional"...profit.

Nothing wrong with that!

"Nothing wrong?"

No, there isn't.

There is wrongness in still keeping the code test in U.S. amateur radio
regulations.

Tsk. That's a hypocritical statement in here!

How? By whom?

Yourself...a PCTA extra with the Double Standard.

WE do what we do for FUN!

Also service to our country.

BWAHAHAHAHAAHHHAAAAA....!!!!

Engaging in a part-time HOBBY is a "service to the country?"

Sure.

Nonsense. Particularly from someone who NEVER served in
the military.

Your mindset is so engrossed in amateur radio as your raison
d'etre that you've slipped over the edge of reality into fantasy.

Tsk. Is the next brag claim "hostile action" experience? :-)

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(Brian Kelly) writes:

Whatever you say. You can imagine getting within 10 Hz of the
correct frequency with the '50s designs all you want...but that
won't make it happen.

What?? Where, exactly, has anybody claimed 10Hz frequency resolution
with '50s analog radios?

Nobody has, it's just a diversion away from the original nonsense about
hams needing rigs with synthesizers.

Big surprise huh? NOT!

Not at all.

Check out the Product Reports on the SG2020, K2 and K1. Guess which has the
"dirtiest" synhthesizer, as judged by the transmitted noise away from the
carrier? Guess which is the cleanest?

Creative PLL and DDS subsystems of today, designed by others,
make it possible for anyone to select 10 Hz increments on any
HF band (30,000 frequencies within 300 KHz) with crystal-
controlled accuracy.

Irrelevant to 99% of amateur HF operations. With a very few special
exceptions
(like 60m) we're not required by law to be on any specific freq on HF.

Right, but sometimes inband operational requirements dictate that we
get dead on some freq or another. Within reason of course. Spots
pouncing, etc.

Of course - within reason. 100 Hz is usually plenty close enough. And that sort
of stuff is perhaps 1% of HF ham radio.

We *are*
required, and have long been required, to be within the band or subband.
Len can't seem to grasp that concept.

He understands the law but he doesn't understand how we meet it's
req'mts so he bafflegabs over the horizon on the subject often wrong
all the way.

I think he resents our freedom.

In fact, in almost all HF ham operations, good operators decide their QRG
based
on non-interference, not any specific channel or spot frequency.

Analog VFOs are continuously variable. Making it possible for anyone
to select an *infinite* number of "increments" within a 300Hz
bandwidth much less your coarse 300 Khz wide example. And they do it
without generating any phase noise or other forms of crud synthesizers
toss out.

You mean synthesizers aren't perfect in every way?

Remember the HRO-500?

You bet. Disaster box. W3WPG was both a beta and a production version
tester of the 500 and I twiddled bofum myself at his place in Chester.
Both sounded like a bag of radio canaries (species phaseum noisium
boids) and National forthwith went bust despite Hal's imploring them
not to put that POS on the market. .

the '500 was good for certain applications but not as a general purpose HF rx.
Not for what it cost, anyway.

But "synthesized?" No. Far from it. All heterodyning on the analog
level. Not a PLL, not a Fractional-N, not a DDS in any of them.

As if that was somehow important.

Or anywhere near even slightly relevant.

Those things were synthesizers - by definition.

He wasn't alone. B&W came out with their 6100 transmitter and it was a
flop.
The synthesizer feature in it was neat but nobody wanted to pay $700
for
one
when they could have a Collins or Drake for the same or less.

Straight out of the 1950s ham catalogs bub . . all of it.

There are "experts" whose entire experience is leafing through
catalogs.

Well, I'm not one of 'em.

Neither is anybody else around here amongst us who "have been around"
. . .
The catalogs are good, however, for getting exact prices and such.

My FT-847, which is not much as ham xcvrs go, can be tuned in 1 Hz
increments vs. the "make it possible for anyone to select 10 Hz
increments" thingey you cite above.

That *is* a nice rig. Did a good job on FD.

Prolly not a good idea for me to loiter on this subject in this NG
James but much to my surprise yes that slick little rig has proven to
be a diamond in the rough. But to hell with it, I'll loiter anyway,
the bandwidth is free.

Radio story (diatribe):

When I went radio hunting a couple years ago I had a very specific set
of 'wants' centered around very high portability but also with the
ergonomnics and front-panel controlability of a full-size
competition-grade home station desktopper. A five pound underdash
Omni. With a full panel of KNOBS, not menus dammit!

(Reminds me of the time I participated in a brain-storming session
pulled together by some of the guys from the Boeing Helicopters power
transmission group. The chief Boeing gearbox wonk started the session
off with "OK gentlemen the mission here is to come up with a
transmission which is capable of transmitting an infinite number of
horsepower to the rotors, weighs nothing and does not require any
installation space.")

I put a bunch of effort into my quest for what amounted to my
particular vision of an ultimate 100W all modes Field Day xcvr. I
didn't care where it came from. Current catalog units new or used,
out-of-production types on the used gear market, etc. I paid a lot of
attention to the online users reviews and lab test reports of a bunch
of candidate rigs. It didn't take long for me to write off all of the
current crop of whizzy do-it-all underdash xcvrs because of their
absolutely lousy basic performance. Bottom-end BDRs, IMDs, fershtink
selectivities (ceramic filters . . . gimmee a break!) along with a
lack of open filter slots, menu-dipping galore. IC-706, FT-897, etc.
Toy radios for the no-clues, fuhgeddit, allum. But (almost) all of
those writeoffs do offer the ability to get on the VHF/UHF bands with
all modes, a capability I added to my "gotta-have" list. I just
*gotta* do some 6 & 2M cw & ssb.

Can't imagine how that sweet old thing from Smog Central came up with
his whacky comments about PCTAs not being into the VHF/UHF bands. He
needs his head bolts retorqued.

Did not take long for me to zero in on the FT-847 because it's the
only xcvr out there anywhere which meets all of my basic objectives.
Despite it's reputation for being a heap of compromises and having a
collection of goofy warts and quirks. I also discovered that most of
it's numerous warts can be fixed with a soldering iron. No-brainer
there if one isn't afraid to perform surgery on a new kilobuck+
radio's innards.

So I popped for one knowing full well that I'd bought something of a
Yaesu "'kit radio".

Out-of-the-box and tuning around the HF bands it was it was, shall we
say, pretty unimpressive. Dismal? Woulda turned you off five seconds
into a test listen. But I expected that. The killer mod was the
installation of the 400Hz and 2.1Khz 8-pole INRAD IF filters a few
weeks before you got your mitts on it during this past FD and
commented it's an acceptable if not a rather decent performer. Given
the fact that you ain't got much tolerance for lousy front ends, phase
noise, birdies, menus, crummy selectivity and such.

Homebrewing does spoil one that way...

I might even have the temerity to take it into the upcoming CQ WW CW
meatgrinder barefoot with a G5RV depending on how the plans work out
for a go at it with K3NL from his place. The K3NL "planning committee"
meets tomorrow at Casey's on Lansdowne Ave. Heh.

So you guys gonna do it or what?

The dollars I've invested to date my moded 847 are not trivial, I'm
already at a bit over $1,500 and climbing as I keep adding
"enhancements"to the thing . . . yeah, I know, I could have bought a
used FT-1000MP (Not a "Field"!) for those kind of bucks. But an MP is
not a pack 'n go rig like the 847 nor is it usable 30Mhz. so that was
the end of that. I'll pick up an MP later and have the best of both
worlds. I did draw some lines on the monies though. My original intent
was to spend around $800 for a used 847 which are everywhere in the
used market. The street price from HRO at the time was around $1,500.
No way! But I ran into a sale on new 847s for $1250 gulped hard, bit
the bullet and bought it. The two filters cost $155 each. Current HRO
price is $1,400 which I still wouldn't go for.

And if you sold it tomorrow, how much of that could you get back? I dare say it
was a good investment.

I rattle on too much as usual. My point is that if there's anybody out
there still awake and looking for a nice little portable xcvr which
covers 12 bands and does all modes much better than the really compact
(junkers) the 847 is coming up a good choice for this particular OF.

It's about 11 x 11 x 3.5 inches big and only weighs 16 pounds.

Light enough to cart around but heavy enough that ya don;t have to chase it
around the table.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/1467.html

**This one is a gotta-do for any radio buyer**:

http://www.sherweng.com/presentation.html

Others:

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/135

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FT847/

http://www.supercontrol.de/cat/ft847faq/ft847faq.htm

Yep.

Did QST do a review yet?

You obviously need to spend
considerable time leafing thru the ham catalogs to get up to speed on
the equipment we use before you spout off and continue to goose up
your "coefficient of ignornace" on the subject of ham radio in general
and the equipment we use.

Don't hold yer breath...

Again. Gets boring.

Maybe that's the point.

Seems like.

Yep. You see any real projects from Len?

Me neither.

Then there are the few "drudges" (like myself) who've
gotten our hands dirty doing the design and testing of synthesizers.

Then there are drudges like me who have ham licenses and and put
technoligies to work on the airwaves whilst all you're allowed to do
is bafflegab about 'em with your keyboard.

And there are drudges who can design and build a rig from top to bottom,
power
supply to antenna, put it on the air and work the world with it on the ham
bands. Using a whole bunch of different modes and technologies.

Right!

Let's see, who here has done that.....

For which we
are called names and insulted here.

Writeoff . . .

Completely

73 de Jim, N2EY

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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/4/2004 7:14 PM Central Standard Time
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Gosh, I wonder who's running MARS?

All of the civilians who happen to have Amateur Radio licenses,

DoD runs MARS.

For DoD purposes, not Amateur purposes.

On MARS frequencies, not on Amateur frequencies.

With DoD regulations, not Amateur regulations.

Riley has nothing to do with it.

Didn't say he did.

You said that "MARS IS Amateur Radio!"

Riley is a regulator of Amateur Radio. Therefore Riley is a regulator
of MARS.


Incorrect use of deductive logic. Otherwise we could say: Roses are red,
Apples are red, therefore roses are apples.

Except that not all roses are red, and not all apples are red.

I ran Steve in circles with your logic. He then tried saying that
-ALL- MARS radio operators were Amateur Radio volunteers. I showed
that not all MARS radio operators are amateurs.

Then he switched to "MARS would cease to exist without amateur
volunteers," which is where his current state of the art thinking
sits.

Or we could go: Dogs are
carnivores, bears are carnivores, therefore dogs are bears.

Then why don't you? See if Steve will buy into it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Best of luck.

Steve, the truth is in this message. Best of Luck.

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William wrote:

Yep, 35 years later they've got Collins. Keepin' up with the times.

That's right, "William", I've got a modified 75A-3 which is about 51
years old, a 51S-1 which was produced in the late seventies and a
KWM-2A

NICE collection!

which was built about the same time as Len's Icom R-70 receiver.
I have an Orion which was produced last year.

How do you like using the Orion?

No rig is perfect. The Orion is very, very close.

I stopped by Ten-Tec last year and looked at it, didn't buy it.

They still make 'em.

But David they don't come with antennas and somebody who knows how to
install antennas so that's the end of Silly Willy Beeper's Ten-tec
dream machine.

Kelly, I never have had an HF radio that came with an antenna.
Perhaps your do. Yet I managed to build my own cubical quad on HF,
dipoles, off-center fed dipoles, and EDZ's for 10 and 6, a hustler
vertical for 40, etc, etc, etc.

But in this particular location, I have very precise requirements and
your one size fits all suggestion just wasn't what I wanted. Thank
you for your suggestion, but don't force it on me. Reminds me of the
time you told me to bend over. Thanks, but No thanks. Some kind of
weird elmering going on where you're from.

I also have other functional ham gear from the twenties, thirties,
forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties. I'm
keeping up with the times--ALL of 'em.

Nothing earlier?

To have anything earlier, I'd have to find something earlier. All I
have is a piece of something earlier. My late friend W4JBP first became
a ham in 1912 on the family farm near Indianapolis. John gave me the
spark coil from an old Reo truck. It was the basis for his very first
rig. It is coated in pitch and mounted in a small dovetailed wooden
box.

Yeeee-haw! One of those was my very first "transmitter"!

In seventh or eighth grade I found a big thick dusty 1920s compilation
of DIY projects which had appeared earlier in Popular Mechanics in the
jr. high library. What there was of it. 1950 timeframe. Lotta radio
projects and I built a couple crystal sets from the articles. None of
this 1N34 nonsense, go find a chunk of Galena then go find a hot spot
on it with a home-brewed cat whisker . . worked.

There was an article on building a spark TX based on a Model T Ford
spark coil which is obviously the same critter Reo used. I went spark
coil hunting and bought mine from J.C. Whitney which stocked heaps of
Model T parts and diddled with it. My Lionel train transformer did a
good job as it's "power supply".

I wrapped a dozen or so turns of wire around the wooden box to serve
as the "secondary" of the spark coil and grounded one end of it to a
copper water pipe in the rafters. Then I strung up some wire from the
"output" end of the secondary fom my cellar "laboratory" to an apple
tree out back. Connected a J-38 between the Lionel xfmr output and the
spark coil primary and was set to hit the airwaves.

I needed somebody to listen for me and after several days of getting
patted on my noggin and being written off as a nutcase I managed to
finally recruit George Barnum who lived a block and a half away to
listen for me. His older brother had a radio and TV repair shop so
George sorta understood what I was up to. He heard me *good* when I
fired the thing up on sked.

What was you callsign then?

Or were you bootlegging as you've previously reported?

The problem was that I really screwed up by arranging the sked when
every houswife in town was listening to the Don McNeil Breakfast Club
Hour while they were doing their ironing.

Actually, you're biggest screwup was operating w/o a license.

I completely obliterated the
AM b'cast band for blocks around, the phone rang off the hook and Mom
not only terminated my Grand Experiment but almost terminated me too.
Again.

. . . growing up is such a bitch . .

Maybe that's why you've done so little of it over the years.

Dave K8MN

w3rv

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(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
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In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

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Or, on the cheap side of the coin, "recycled" parts using mainly
technology that is 50 to 40 years old (K4YZ homepage).

What fault do you find with that and why doesn't any of it appear of
K4YZ's homepage?

Len is confused. He cannot deal with the fact that K4YZ and N2EY are
not
the
same person.

There's a whole lot that he is confused about.

For example, he keeps trying to confuse Amateur Radio with PLMRS, GMRS,
Armed Forces Communications, CB, etc etc etc.

I think Len would be very happy if Amateur Radio became just like cb.

Nothing in the Southgate Type 7 is "cheap". The parts used were very
inexpensive, but of high quality.

Geez,
absolutely zilch time spent in trying to make any of it
attractive.

Wrong again!

A lot of time and effort were spent making it attractive to the
intended
market. No time or effort was spent making it attractive to Len.

Of course...the Supreme Engineer forgot that the purpose of the
project
was to provide a functional device.

Ya missed the point.

"Attractiveness" is in the eye of the beholder. Look at how clothing
designs
have changed over the years.

Tsk. Kluges are still kluges.

I don't know of any clothing styles called "kluges".

"Kluge" isn't a clothing style.

Then why did you use the word?

It refers to a thrown-together
(usually hastily) collection of odds and ends of aerospace
things to serve a temporary purpose. Been a common term
in aerospace for a half century.

This isn't an aerospace newsgroup. And the Southgate Type 7 wasn't "thrown
together". Nor is it to serve a temporary purpose. So the term doesn't fit at
all.

You should call it "modern radio art" and thereby rationalize that
you are "advancing the state of the radio art!" :-)

Is that an order?

Tsk.

Yes or no?

Still upset about your handiwork not being admired and
respected? Even if it has the appearance of being a kluge?

"You can not answer a question with another question"

Riiiiiight...by making "modern" radio designs using tubes in the
1990s...:-)

Electro-politically incorrect to you, I suppose...

Gosh no.

Heck yes.

It seems to bother you a great deal that my rig even exists.

Forget the transistor got invented in the 1940s.

1948, actually. So what?

Tubes
are venerable, traditional, the stuff of might and brawn in hum
raddio...according to the olde-tymers.

If your radios hum, I suggest you do some work on the power supply filters.

I find that most of the "modern ready-built" radio sets are very
unattractive.

...just like all the other radio amateurs? :-)

I find some other radio amateurs unattractive too. Most I find to be
nice people.

But, you don't LIKE the "modern ready-builts." :-)

Most of them I find unattractive, and not well designed ergonomically. That's
my independent opinion. You seem to be saying that I should simply, blindly
accept what the manufacturers produce. After all, they're 'professionals'...

You want to re-invent the wheel and get all the applause for being
able to use chassis punches... :-)

??

The Type 7 is a unique design. No similar amateur radio transceiver exists,
either in current production nor in the past.

Here's a quick design problem for you: Design a heterodyne scheme to cover the
80, 40, and 20 meter ham bands (CW/data portions) using a 1400 kHz receiver IF
and a single-range VFO whose maximum frequency is less than 7 MHz. Use a
minimum of parts and allow for transceive operation, receiver offset tuning,
and bandswitching. Alignment must not require much in the way of test
equipment.

Why are the designer-manufacturers continuing (after years of doing
so) to design such "unattractive" exteriors?

One reason is that it's cheaper for them to do so. Another is that, as
in fashion, conventional marketing wisdom says that things have to
change in order to sell more product.

Is it all a conspiracy
against the superior esthetic sense of Jimmie?

You can't be talking about me, because I don't claim any "superior
esthetic sense".

HAR! :-)

It seems that you would rather have all of us amateurs simply purchase whatever
the manufacturers put out, without question or comments.

What I do have is "independent thought" about what's attractive and
not attractive. I find that most of the "modern ready-built" radio sets are
very unattractive. If that's unacceptable to you, tough.

Rationalization for being ultra-cheap...or terribly strapped for available
cash even though working as an electronics engineer (implied) for
money. Tsk.

Not at all. The Yankee word for it is "frugal".

Why should I spend more money on a transceiver that does not meet my
requirements when I can build one for less money that does?

Why should I accept the manufacturer's idea of what is "attractive" rather than
my own?

Why should I accept *your* idea of what is "attractive" rather than my own?

You seem to be saying that amateur radio must be limited to only those who are
willing to spend the money for "ready-built" equipment that meets your
approval. Even though you are not a radio amateur and never have been. Very
illogical.

Cluttered front panels, poor color choices, knobs and displays way too
small
and too close together, etc., etc. So I purposely avoid such design in my
projects. If the set is a little bigger because of it - so what?

Kluges are still kluges. :-)

Back to talking about clothing again?

Not me. "Kluge' is a familiar term in aerospace. Too bad you never
worked in that...

Why would I want to?

Decals for radio markings have been around for a half century...

So what? I don't think the use of decals would make the Type 7
attractive to you.

Tsk. Still smarting from the lack of appreciation of your personal
hobby stuff?

Nope. You behaved exactly as predicted.

are
clearer to read that scribbled felt-tip marker pen markings.

There are no such markings on the Type 7.

Hard to tell from a single picture on a personal website.

Then why did you make the statement?

But, if
those are "beauty" to you, feel free to enjoy it.

I don't need your permission, Len.

Tsk. But all NCTAs need YOUR permission to exist in here... :-)

Untrue.

Try NOT to impose
your "standards of beauty" (radio-wise) on others.

I don't. It is *you* who try to impose your standards of
"attractiveness" on others.

You've said that morse code is "music to your ears." :-)

How is that imposing my standard of beauty on others? It's music to *my* ears.

Tsk. That wasn't in any music appreciation venue that I know
of (and that's considerable).

Your experience is limited and flawed, then.

Yet we are yet to see any examples of *your* homebrew HF radio
projects, made in your own shop with only your own resources.

Ah. The "challenge" is made! Gauntlet thrown down.

If you wish to call it that.

SHOW WORK! MAKE WEB PAGES FOR DISPLAY!

Why all the shouting?

"Proof" is in the web pages! If it doesn't exist, then everyone
"lies." :-)

Nothing worth showing, huh? That means you're all talk and no action, Len. All
show and no go. Vaporware.

DOS tip, Len: AOL gives you a free home page with each screen name.
You can have up to seven! Plus they provide easy-to-use software to
help you set them up. Even I managed to get two of them done in a
short time. (Yes, there's another...)

Tsk. The limit is 2 MB per name. Good for some snapshots,
little more. :-)

They don't have to be high resolution. One would think an old-time
modem-communicator like you could do a lot with 14 MB. But so far nothing.
Nada. Zip. Zero. All talk and no action. All show and no go. Vaporware.

So *show us* what *you* could do in the home workshop, using only your
own resources.

Geez...all but baring your teeth in a snarly challenge! :-)

Not me. That would be you...

Your response is as expected, Len. You don't have any homebrew HF radio
projects to show us. Not receivers, transmitters or transceivers anyway. You'd
be at a loss to actually design and build one yourself, in your home workshop,
on your own time, with only your own resources. You talk a lot about articles
written by others and technical details, but when it comes to designing and
building a complete radio.......

Nothing worth showing.

You are still put out that all I said of your single photo was that it
was "neat."

Not "put out" at all. You behaved exactly as expected and predicted.

No gushing admiration for your prodigious chassis
punching, no respect for your mnemoic capabilities of tube circuit
recall. Sigh.

There's a lot more to building a rig like the Type 7 than "chassis punching"
and remembering circuits.

About the Type 7:

Had I used "decals" on the Type 7, you'd complain that they were
glossy and hard to read, plus easy to rub or wash off.

A simple Lucite of Plexiglass cover plate (easy to work) will
protect such things.

"Lucite of Plexiglass"? What is that?

The word is "Plexiglas", btw.

Now if it were Len writing this post, he'd go off on a long tangent about how
"Lucite" and "Plexiglas" are brand names for a certain family of clear
plastics. Lots of stuff about their history, etc. Maybe mention the big Rohm &
Haas plant in Bristol, PA, near the Burlington-Bristol bridge, just northeast
of Philadelphia on I-95. Etc., etc., etc.

Had I used tape labels, you'd complain that they looked "primitive"

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Your behavior is very predictable, Len.

Had I used engraved nameplates, you'd complain that they looked old
and like an afterthought.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Everyone who reads your stuff here knows what you would have done, Len.

Had I silkscreened the front panel, you'd complain that it wasn't
engraved.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

It's "what you do", Len

Had I engraved the front panel, you'd complain about the color choice.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

Or similar stuff.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

It's very clear that you are more interested in the superficial (appearance,
parts used, cost) rather than the significant (performance, reliability, usable
features, unique methods) of homebrew radio equipment.

Jim's radio did just that.

And much more.

Mission accomplished.

Not the stuff of "marketable design!"

That'd be a real problem if it was built to be a marketable design.

The intended market thinks it's an excellent design and of high quality
manufacture.

It seems that the real issue is that it bugs Len no end that someone
he considers an inferior (me) can do something he can't. Not just
building a rig, but being able to use it on the air. Not just from a
license/legal perspective, but from a practical operating skills
perspective.

Tsk. Inferiority complex you have?

Nope. But you seem to have one. Somebody has a website that shows a homebrew
ham station, and you have to attack its appearance and the technology used,
even though you know little or nothing about it.

We forget Lennie's only reason for being a "radio
professional"...profit.

Nothing wrong with that!

"Nothing wrong?"

No, there isn't.

There is wrongness in still keeping the code test in U.S. amateur radio
regulations.

No, there isn't.

Tsk. That's a hypocritical statement in here!

How? By whom?

Yourself...a PCTA extra with the Double Standard.

Explain - if you can.

Meanwhile, readers may note that you talk of "homebrewing" and "technical
subjects", but have nothing to show that isn't work-related except perhaps
having purchased a ready-built receiver 20+ years ago. For "CASH"...

It may also be noted that while you talk about only being against the Morse
Code test (not use), and being in favor of hams doing technical stuff, that
talk rapidly turns negative and critical when someone actually does such
things.

WE do what we do for FUN!

Also service to our country.

BWAHAHAHAHAAHHHAAAAA....!!!!

Engaging in a part-time HOBBY is a "service to the country?"

Sure.

It would be great if it were a full time pursuit...

Nonsense. Particularly from someone who NEVER served in
the military.

You seem to think that "the military" is the only way to be of service to our
country. You're wrong about that.

Your mindset is so engrossed in amateur radio as your raison
d'etre that you've slipped over the edge of reality into fantasy.

Not me, Len. Amateur radio is just one of many things I do, and have done for a
long time. In fact, it was 37 years ago today (October 14, 1967) that my Novice
license arrived in the mail from the FCC. 37 years of great fun, learning,
making friends all over the world, designing, building and operating rigs of
many types.

If anyone has a "mindset is so engrossed in amateur radio as your raison
d'etre that you've slipped over the edge of reality into fantasy", it would be
*you*. Len. You're not a ham, have never been one, have no apparent intentions
to become one despite that "out of the box" claim of almost 5 years ago.

Yet you post here probably more than anyone else, clutter the ECFS with long
repetitious commentary on a single small facet of amateur radio testing, and
argue even with those who agree with you.

Very illogical.

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/14/2004 10:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Rationalization for being ultra-cheap...or terribly strapped for
available
cash even though working as an electronics engineer (implied) for
money. Tsk.

Not at all. The Yankee word for it is "frugal".

Why should I spend more money on a transceiver that does not meet my
requirements when I can build one for less money that does?

Why should I accept the manufacturer's idea of what is "attractive" rather
than
my own?

Why should I accept *your* idea of what is "attractive" rather than my own?

You seem to be saying that amateur radio must be limited to only those who
are
willing to spend the money for "ready-built" equipment that meets your
approval. Even though you are not a radio amateur and never have been. Very
illogical.

Not at all, Jim.

Lennie's one and only reason for being a "radio professional" was to MAKE
MONEY from the radio industry.

As long as Amateurs continue to show the resolve and initiative to either
participate in radio design and engineering and/or build thier own gear, even
if in the form of a kit, then "radio professionals" such as he (still gives me
a snicker!) will still have to hang out at the union hall looking for work.

Not me. "Kluge' is a familiar term in aerospace. Too bad you never
worked in that...

Too bad Lennie never did, either.

Why would I want to?

Exactly.

Decals for radio markings have been around for a half century...

So what? I don't think the use of decals would make the Type 7
attractive to you.

Tsk. Still smarting from the lack of appreciation of your personal
hobby stuff?

Nope. You behaved exactly as predicted.

As if a crystal ball was required? Madam Cleo could see THAT one coming!

SHOW WORK! MAKE WEB PAGES FOR DISPLAY!

Why all the shouting?

I bet we won't see Brain jump in calling Lennie "Yell DMC".

"Proof" is in the web pages! If it doesn't exist, then everyone
"lies." :-)

Nothing worth showing, huh? That means you're all talk and no action, Len.
All
show and no go. Vaporware.

WE have had pictures of our various stations. Lennie can't even show us a
clipping from a catolog of what he CLAIMS to have up and running.

DOS tip, Len: AOL gives you a free home page with each screen name.
You can have up to seven! Plus they provide easy-to-use software to
help you set them up. Even I managed to get two of them done in a
short time. (Yes, there's another...)

Tsk. The limit is 2 MB per name. Good for some snapshots,
little more. :-)

They don't have to be high resolution. One would think an old-time
modem-communicator like you could do a lot with 14 MB. But so far nothing.
Nada. Zip. Zero. All talk and no action. All show and no go. Vaporware.

My QRZ site was a pic of my station when I was on Cagle Mountain.

And the AOL pages handle a heck of a lot more than "2MB". Anyone who has
looked through AOL pages know there are thousands upon thousands of pages that
have multiple pictures, graphics, and even "background music".

Yet our "resident radio professional" is already making excuses as to why
he can't make a single page AOL home page.

I am sure there are hundreds of pre-teens and middle school kids falling
off thier chiars in laughter right now! ! ! !

Some of them Amateur Generals and Extras, no doubt!

So *show us* what *you* could do in the home workshop, using only your
own resources.

Geez...all but baring your teeth in a snarly challenge!

Not me. That would be you...

Only further prrof of my assertions of what a liar Lennie is...

He never was an engineer, probably a borderline technician, undoubtedly
skilled at nothing more than plagiarism.

Your response is as expected, Len. You don't have any homebrew HF radio
projects to show us. Not receivers, transmitters or transceivers anyway.
You'd
be at a loss to actually design and build one yourself, in your home
workshop,
on your own time, with only your own resources. You talk a lot about articles
written by others and technical details, but when it comes to designing and
building a complete radio.......

Nothing worth showing.

Nothing TO show, let alone "worth showing"...Not even a store-bought
SWL/Scanner installation.

But you didn't and I didn't remark on it. Yet you "know" I would
have said what you accuse me of doing...hi hi.

It's very clear that you are more interested in the superficial (appearance,
parts used, cost) rather than the significant (performance, reliability,
usable
features, unique methods) of homebrew radio equipment.

That was, of course, the fifth paragraph where Lennie tried to make an
issue of "know(ing) what (he'd) do".

I guess Lennie thinks we're not observant enough to have noted very
predictible and established patterns...

Tsk. Inferiority complex you have?

Nope. But you seem to have one. Somebody has a website that shows a homebrew
ham station, and you have to attack its appearance and the technology used,
even though you know little or nothing about it.

But you KNEW how he'd react, Jim.

WHY do you respond to his stuff, anyway...?!?! (Where have I heard THAT
before...?!?!)

Tsk. That's a hypocritical statement in here!

How? By whom?

Yourself...a PCTA extra with the Double Standard.

Explain - if you can.

Meanwhile, readers may note that you talk of "homebrewing" and "technical
subjects", but have nothing to show that isn't work-related except perhaps
having purchased a ready-built receiver 20+ years ago. For "CASH"...

It may also be noted that while you talk about only being against the Morse
Code test (not use), and being in favor of hams doing technical stuff, that
talk rapidly turns negative and critical when someone actually does such
things.

Of course, Jim!

But don't let Brain see you actually using Lennie's own words against him!
Only those of us that he calls "PCTA" have a "double standard"!

WE do what we do for FUN!

Also service to our country.

BWAHAHAHAHAAHHHAAAAA....!!!!

Engaging in a part-time HOBBY is a "service to the country?"

Sure.

It would be great if it were a full time pursuit...

If only it could.

Of course Lennie could ask the same question of members of the USAF
Auxiliary (Civil Air Patrol), the USCG Auxiliary, the American Red Cross, the
Salvation Army, The Boy Scouts, the Girl Socuts, the American Heart
Association, etc etc etc...

Each of those organizations and programs are almost 100% volunteers
(notice I said ALMOST...) For many of those folks, it's "just a hobby".

Dare we say that any one of those organizations provides a "service to the
country"...?

Amateur Radio DEFINATELY does. It's been documented in the Federal
Register as such.

Nonsense. Particularly from someone who NEVER served in
the military.

You seem to think that "the military" is the only way to be of service to our
country. You're wrong about that.

Of course he is.

Your mindset is so engrossed in amateur radio as your raison
d'etre that you've slipped over the edge of reality into fantasy.

Not me, Len. Amateur radio is just one of many things I do, and have done for
a
long time. In fact, it was 37 years ago today (October 14, 1967) that my
Novice
license arrived in the mail from the FCC. 37 years of great fun, learning,
making friends all over the world, designing, building and operating rigs of
many types.

If anyone has a "mindset is so engrossed in amateur radio as your raison
d'etre that you've slipped over the edge of reality into fantasy", it would
be
*you*. Len. You're not a ham, have never been one, have no apparent
intentions
to become one despite that "out of the box" claim of almost 5 years ago.

Yet you post here probably more than anyone else, clutter the ECFS with long
repetitious commentary on a single small facet of amateur radio testing, and
argue even with those who agree with you.

Very illogical.

Of course it is, Jim. You expect an idiot to be "logical"...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:


"Kluge" isn't a clothing style.

Then why did you use the word?

Tsk. Those of us in the real electronics industry (which includes
aerospace) know the word KLUGE and are familiar with it and what
it means. Tens of thousands of us, in fact. It's been in use for a
half century by us electron-pushers. :-)


This isn't an aerospace newsgroup.

Tsk. Then why did you carry on like you were such a space business
guru, etc., a couple months ago? :-)

Nope, THIS newsgroup seems to be a hang-out for the mighty macho
morsemen, PCTA extras who want to keep shoving the morse code
test on all newcomers to the PCTA's HF playground...


Still upset about your handiwork not being admired and
respected? Even if it has the appearance of being a kluge?

"You can not answer a question with another question"

Tsk, tsk. A kluge is a kluge, despite the self-enoblement you put
on it.


Here's a quick design problem for you:

Tsk. Have your agent call mine, they can "do lunch" and talk over
the contract terms... :-)

Design a heterodyne scheme to cover the 80, 40, and 20 meter ham bands

That was done well before 1990 by others. :-)

Tsk. You should have read all about the past. Try Collins Radio circa
the end of the 1940s for some examples. You need the TMs for their
government designs?


It seems that you would rather have all of us amateurs simply purchase
whatever the manufacturers put out, without question or comments.

Nooooo...NOT what "I seem to be doing." :-)

I called your kluge pile a KLUGE. My opinion. I didn't try to misdirect
into a discussion of ready-builts. The picture of your transceiver (the
collection of tube-holding chassis) spoke for itself.


Not at all. The Yankee word for it is "frugal".

CHEAP is still cheap. You can dress it up in fine words but it is
still CHEAP.


Not me. "Kluge' is a familiar term in aerospace. Too bad you never
worked in that...

Why would I want to?

Tsk. I doubt anyone in the aerospace industry really cares what you
want to do personally, but that's just an off-the-cuff opinion. :-)

Exciting work in aerospace in the USA in the last half century,
really advancing the state of all electronics' art in most disciplines,
making high-performance aircraft and spacecraft that landed on the
moon, plus many other achievements.


How is that imposing my standard of beauty on others? It's music to *my*
ears.

Whatever floats your auditory boat. :-)


Your experience is limited and flawed, then.

It always is according to the PCTA extras. :-) Hi hi.


Nothing worth showing, huh? That means you're all talk and no action, Len.
All show and no go. Vaporware.

Tsk, tsk. It's been shown but not as a single-photo home page on
AOL. :-)


Your response is as expected, Len. You don't have any homebrew HF radio
projects to show us. Not receivers, transmitters or transceivers anyway.

Heh heh heh.

You'd be at a loss to actually design and build one yourself, in your home
workshop, on your own time, with only your own resources. You talk a lot
about articles written by others and technical details, but when it comes to
designing and building a complete radio.......

Tsk. Still incorrect, Jimmie.

Nothing worth showing.

Tsk. Still snarly and angry about your collection of un-enclosed chassis
(using tubes) built in the 1990s being called a KLUGE?


Not "put out" at all. You behaved exactly as expected and predicted.

Oooooo..."as expected" and "as predicted!" :-)

"Predicted" to whom? :-)


There's a lot more to building a rig like the Type 7 than "chassis punching"
and remembering circuits.

Can't see that. You haven't documented any of that.

All us readers saw was a single photo of a bunch of tube-holding un-
enclosed chassis.

You didn't show anything else. No show, no blow...by your "rules." :-)


Your behavior is very predictable, Len.

You are the Nostradamus of the last millennium... :-)


Everyone who reads your stuff here knows what you would have done, Len.

Yas...insofar as talking against the morse code test! :-)


It's very clear that you are more interested in the superficial (appearance,
parts used, cost) rather than the significant (performance, reliability,
usable features, unique methods) of homebrew radio equipment.

"Very clear?" :-)

Tsk. I didn't see any MTBF figures or environmental test reports
on the Famous Type 7 home page on AOL. :-)


Nope. But you seem to have one. Somebody has a website that shows a homebrew
ham station, and you have to attack its appearance and the technology used,
even though you know little or nothing about it.

"Attack?" :-)

One picture. A collection of tube-holding chassis reportedly built
in the 1990s. :-)

Looked like a kluge to me. shrug


Meanwhile, readers may note that you talk of "homebrewing" and "technical
subjects", but have nothing to show that isn't work-related except perhaps
having purchased a ready-built receiver 20+ years ago. For "CASH"...

Tsk. Someone else having money gets you UPSET does it?

Awwwwww....

It may also be noted that while you talk about only being against the Morse
Code test (not use), and being in favor of hams doing technical stuff, that
talk rapidly turns negative and critical when someone actually does such
things.

Awwwwww....


You seem to think that "the military" is the only way to be of service to our
country. You're wrong about that.

Tsk. You are getting repetitious with your "you're wrong about that."

Are you "in the service of your country" because you hold an
amateur radio license?!?

That's as bad as nursie claiming "MARS IS amateur radio!" :-)


*you*. Len. You're not a ham, have never been one, have no apparent
intentions
to become one despite that "out of the box" claim of almost 5 years ago.

Tsk. You're still going on and on with that schtick, aintcha? :-)

Did you pledge your allegiance to amateur radio? Take your vows
as a good little morseman, never to sully your soul with an evil
microphone used for speech?

Yet you post here probably more than anyone else, clutter the ECFS with long
repetitious commentary on a single small facet of amateur radio testing, and
argue even with those who agree with you.

Tsk. Up till last night, I'd made ONE post in five days. I guess that's
"posting more than anyone else!" :-)

I "clutter the ECFS" [at the FCC website] with "long repetitious commentary
on a single small facet of amateur radio testing?" Tsk. Mikey Powell
should ban me for "overcrowding" the gullfoss server? HAR! Hi hi. :-)

There are no less than 18 petitions on the ECFS towards a proposed
NPRM on amateur radio restructuring. Nearly all of those 18 involve
the manual morse code test. I've commented on nearly all of the 18.

Sunnuvagun!

Thousands and thousands of others have made Comments to the FCC.

Sunnuvagun!

Jimmie no like non-hams commenting about ham regulations? Awwww.

Jimmie wanna repeal the First Amendment? :-)

Very illogical.

Yes, isn't it? Jimmie got all put out by not having his handiwork loved
admired, praised, etc. and then made a bunch of factual ERRORS in
closing. Tsk.

A kluge is a kluge. A picture of one speaks for itself.

On 14 Oct 2004 15:55:53 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

snip

Forget the transistor got invented in the 1940s.

1948, actually. So what?

1947, actually - at Bell Labs.

http://www.computer.org/history/development/1947.htm
http://www.cedmagic.com/history/transistor-1947.html

snip

The Type 7 is a unique design. No similar amateur radio transceiver exists,
either in current production nor in the past.

Hmmmmm - judging from the photos on your website, I'd have to agree
with that one! :)

snip

73, Leo

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:


Not me. "Kluge' is a familiar term in aerospace. Too bad you never
worked in that...

Why would I want to?

Tsk. I doubt anyone in the aerospace industry really cares what you
want to do personally, but that's just an off-the-cuff opinion. :-)

I see your point, Len. I doubt that there are many in amateur radio who
care what you want to do "personally".


Not "put out" at all. You behaved exactly as expected and predicted.

Oooooo..."as expected" and "as predicted!" :-)

"Predicted" to whom? :-)

....to the entire newsgroup on quite a number of occasions :-) :-)


Meanwhile, readers may note that you talk of "homebrewing" and "technical
subjects", but have nothing to show that isn't work-related except perhaps
having purchased a ready-built receiver 20+ years ago. For "CASH"...

Tsk. Someone else having money gets you UPSET does it?

I didn't see any statement about someone else having money, Leonard. We
have an indication that you had, at one time, enough surplus "CASH" to
purchase an Icom R-70.



A kluge is a kluge. A picture of one speaks for itself.

Len, you are a rude churl. If we had a photo of you, perhaps it could
speak for itself.

Dave K8MN

In article , Leo
writes:

On 14 Oct 2004 15:55:53 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

snip

Forget the transistor got invented in the 1940s.

1948, actually. So what?

1947, actually - at Bell Labs.

http://www.computer.org/history/development/1947.htm
http://www.cedmagic.com/history/transistor-1947.html

Heh...I knew that and you knew that, but Sir James would make
it a Federal Case of misdirection in this thread to disagree with
his royal Type-Seveness. :-)

Bell Labs made the announcement of the transistor invention
in 1948. The actual invention was done in 1947.

No doubt Sir James wishes the announcement would also have
been done on a broadcast transmitter using a microphone in
series with the antenna a la Reggie Fessenden. :-)


snip

The Type 7 is a unique design. No similar amateur radio transceiver exists,
either in current production nor in the past.

Hmmmmm - judging from the photos on your website, I'd have to agree
with that one! :)

Heap glowing gratuitous praise for the wonderful workmanship, the
beauty of the design, the ethereal glow of the mighty vacuum tubes.

If not, Sir James will raise the Hue and Cry agin ya with multitudes
of mighty paragraphs. :-)

After all, this was Sir James' "state of the art" in amateur radio as
of the early 1990s!

In article , Leo
writes:

n 14 Oct 2004 15:55:53 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

snip

Forget the transistor got invented in the 1940s.

1948, actually. So what?

1947, actually - at Bell Labs.

http://www.computer.org/history/development/1947.htm
http://www.cedmagic.com/history/transistor-1947.html

Right you are!

Thanks, Leo!

snip

The Type 7 is a unique design. No similar amateur radio transceiver exists,
either in current production nor in the past.

Hmmmmm - judging from the photos on your website, I'd have to agree
with that one! :)

Indeed!

73 de Jim, N2EY