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January 9th 05, 08:24 PM

Leo wrote:

On 09 Jan 2005 04:51:35 GMT, (Lenof21) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST), "Phil Kane"
wrote:

On 08 Jan 2005 21:31:53 GMT, N2EY wrote:

Lenof21 wrote:

All licensees are perfectly legal to continue operating in their grace
period.

Nope. Wrong. You are mistaken. Once an amateur's license expires,
he or she *cannot* legally operate until the is renewed.

Unless the renewal has been applied for before expiration. Then,
the license privileges continue until the FCC acts upon the application.

Oh oh. An exception to the rule rears its ugly head.....

How could the J & M tag team possibly miss that one?

Happy New Year, Leo...

Thanks - you too, Len!

Sure enough, the PCTA extras in here disregard the subject in order
to lambaste (and generally make nasty to) any NCTA about anything.
:-)

Some even enter a batch of posts on a variety of subjects, apparently
hoping to get sonething on the hook.......what's the word for that
again...?

To imagine anyone on Usenet would do that. 8^)

Doesn't matter if the NCTA are right or wrong (deliberately so in the
case suddenly become front-page news of sorts)...all NCTA are
targets of opportunity to be DISCREDITED by any means possible.

The "tag team" seems to think that all hams are always active on-
the-air as good "service personnel" (or something) during their valid
license period. Never mind that there are absences from the "service"
for many different reasons. The "grace period" insures that such
absence will not allow any licensee to lose their (apparently) so precious
tribal identification of a call sign. The call sign is "who we are" to
quote
one licensee in here some years ago. That would be especially true
for the Vanity calls. Licensees POSSESS their calls and those become
very, very personal.

That's true even more so up here in the (currently) frozen North -
licenses and call signs are issued to Canadian hams for life, no
renewal required. The call sign is protected for a year after you SK,
to allow a family member to qualify and acquire it.

That is a good way to do it.

No bureaucracy, no renewals, no paperwork, no grace period required -
unless you break the law and lose it, or move to a new province (the
call sign doesn't follow you around the country like they do in the
States), you'll expire long before it does

And in the end it is just a different system, some parts a lot better,
like lifetime license, and some parts worse, such as the mandatory
callsign by district (though some will prefer that)

In the USA I might even suggest that the FDA (Food and Drug
Administration) step in and help the FCC literally brand the granted
call sign on the physical person of the licensee, perhaps by a tatoo.
That might complete the process of the New Identity within the Tribe.
[why not? the FDA here certifies real hams ... :-) ]

A good application for the microchip, perhaps - technology proven in
the Veterinary world for quite a few years now....?

The "new identity" is important since it bestows a rank/status/privilege
down here in a land without royals, no fancy titles or whatever. For
example, a Rhode Islander could, under older rules, suddenly become
a "resident" of Hawaii without even leaving the mainland. The arranger
of that was able to retitle hisself from junior college math teacher to
"mathematics lecturer in the university system." Neither one "did
anything wrong" according to them. But, a whole bunch of very phony
"radio club" calls got tossed in the dumpster by the FCC not too long
ago. Another fantasylander thought he had much more clout in the real
world than the U.S. aremed forces when he admonished another about
"permission to operate a radio" from Somalia when that individual served
in the military there. Yet another fantasylander keeps on bragging about
his military record ("seven hostile actions" without ever saying where or
when) and then trying to tear down others' real military records. Tsk.
Then we have the classic knowitall who never served at all making like
he knows more than Janes about USSR air power just because a real
veteran slipped up once in a message. There's still another "serviceman"
of the amateur corps who dines with aircraft carrier captains and looks
down his nose at those who've done real military HF communications
much more than he will have done in his lifetime. It's quite a collection!

It sure is.....engineers who have problems with basic math,
thinly-veiled trolls looking to provoke fights.....

Yeah, there are all kinds in here..........

It's a wonderful microcosm in here indeed. Of what, specifically, I'm
not quite sure!

Some people used to call me MicroCosm........ 8^)

Note: All those wonderful braggarts are PCTA extra. They can say
anything, write anything, do anything in here and are absolved from ANY
criticism. Should they be taken to task, the task-taker is soundly
objected to with endearing personal perjoratives having little to do with
the subject.

Ipso facto, with a few exceptions - there are several OMs here who are
quite civil, knowledgeable and conversational, and do not possess the
NetNanny gene.....

It's a plain simple fact that all NCTA in here are always wrong, no matter
what they write on anything. No one who is of the NCTA persuasion
should bother debating the subject in here. The matter is closed and all
NCTA are forever wrong, incorrect, and probably have underarm odor.

.....and skinned knuckles!

Here's a challenge, Leo, if you're up to it.

Name the PCTA's in here (active) that have called NCTA's by such names.
I'll give you a start:

Steve is pretty famous for name calling.

And since this subthread turned into a Mike and Jim "tag-team" thing,
where do our names show up in that list? When have I called anyone a
nasty name? I don't think Jim ever has either.

note: I will admit the one time I called Len "Lennie". No insult was
intended, but he didn't like it, so I stopped.

Note that it isn't always a PCTA / NCTA thing, though - we've seen
recent battles between folks of a similar stripe, simply because they
disagree on some arcane point. These disputes are just as vitriolic,
nasty and profane as any of the 'standard' ones here in the group!

Agreed. So it is more about personalities than PCTA/NCTA/NCTNA in my
estimation.

But, after all, what's more important than Always Being Right About
Everything?

Most of the time, if I think I am wrong about something, I'm not likely
to argue about it. YMMV! 8^)

It is pretty much a voluntary thing to post in this group. I don't know
of anyone that is required by law or employment to be here. If people
are thin skinned, they might want to examine why they hang out in such a
rough neighborhood. Otherwise, make a mistake, note it, and get on with
life.

- Mike KB3EIA -

January 10th 05, 12:28 PM

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:24:07 -0500, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Leo wrote:

On 09 Jan 2005 04:51:35 GMT, (Lenof21) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST), "Phil Kane"
wrote:

On 08 Jan 2005 21:31:53 GMT, N2EY wrote:

Lenof21 wrote:

snip

Some even enter a batch of posts on a variety of subjects, apparently
hoping to get sonething on the hook.......what's the word for that
again...?

To imagine anyone on Usenet would do that. 8^)

......found it - "Trolling" - that's the word I was looking for!

snip

Note: All those wonderful braggarts are PCTA extra. They can say
anything, write anything, do anything in here and are absolved from ANY
criticism. Should they be taken to task, the task-taker is soundly
objected to with endearing personal perjoratives having little to do with
the subject.

Ipso facto, with a few exceptions - there are several OMs here who are
quite civil, knowledgeable and conversational, and do not possess the
NetNanny gene.....

It's a plain simple fact that all NCTA in here are always wrong, no matter
what they write on anything. No one who is of the NCTA persuasion
should bother debating the subject in here. The matter is closed and all
NCTA are forever wrong, incorrect, and probably have underarm odor.

.....and skinned knuckles!

Here's a challenge, Leo, if you're up to it.

Name the PCTA's in here (active) that have called NCTA's by such names.
I'll give you a start:

Steve is pretty famous for name calling.

Great idea! - that would certainly get a nice warm flamefest going,
wouldn't it?

Request respectfully declined.

And since this subthread turned into a Mike and Jim "tag-team" thing,
where do our names show up in that list? When have I called anyone a
nasty name? I don't think Jim ever has either.

note: I will admit the one time I called Len "Lennie". No insult was
intended, but he didn't like it, so I stopped.

Hmmm - maybe you're one of the exceptions?

Your pal was doing just fine too, until he decided to start using
profanities in his posts. To claim that another is speaking
"bull$#!+" is to directly infer that they are a "bull$#!+ter".

Acgeed that this example does not meet your specification of "PCTA vs
NCTA", but as I said earlier it's more about personalities than it is
about affiliation.

And character.

YMMV.

snip

- Mike KB3EIA -

73, Leo

January 11th 05, 01:25 AM

Leo wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:24:07 -0500, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Leo wrote:

On 09 Jan 2005 04:51:35 GMT, (Lenof21) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST), "Phil Kane"
wrote:

On 08 Jan 2005 21:31:53 GMT, N2EY wrote:

Lenof21 wrote:

snip

Some even enter a batch of posts on a variety of subjects, apparently
hoping to get sonething on the hook.......what's the word for that
again...?

To imagine anyone on Usenet would do that. 8^)

.....found it - "Trolling" - that's the word I was looking for!

Here is a bit of a question. I had started a number of these threads
recently in order to get some newsgroup related activities going,
because in December the group simply was losing ground to the wild and
whacky adventures of some West Virginia hams, and some others of
indeterminate origin, but of the sort to turn us into a clone of
r.r.a.misc. So far, It has had its intended effect, to get some
discussion going.

So was that a troll?

snip

Note: All those wonderful braggarts are PCTA extra. They can say
anything, write anything, do anything in here and are absolved from ANY
criticism. Should they be taken to task, the task-taker is soundly
objected to with endearing personal perjoratives having little to do with
the subject.

Ipso facto, with a few exceptions - there are several OMs here who are
quite civil, knowledgeable and conversational, and do not possess the
NetNanny gene.....

It's a plain simple fact that all NCTA in here are always wrong, no matter
what they write on anything. No one who is of the NCTA persuasion
should bother debating the subject in here. The matter is closed and all
NCTA are forever wrong, incorrect, and probably have underarm odor.

.....and skinned knuckles!

Here's a challenge, Leo, if you're up to it.

Name the PCTA's in here (active) that have called NCTA's by such names.
I'll give you a start:

Steve is pretty famous for name calling.

Great idea! - that would certainly get a nice warm flamefest going,
wouldn't it?

Request respectfully declined.

And since this subthread turned into a Mike and Jim "tag-team" thing,
where do our names show up in that list? When have I called anyone a
nasty name? I don't think Jim ever has either.

note: I will admit the one time I called Len "Lennie". No insult was
intended, but he didn't like it, so I stopped.

Hmmm - maybe you're one of the exceptions?

Your pal was doing just fine too, until he decided to start using
profanities in his posts. To claim that another is speaking
"bull$#!+" is to directly infer that they are a "bull$#!+ter".

I admit, that was a bit odd. I'm known to drop the very occasional off
colored word, but only for effect.

Acgeed that this example does not meet your specification of "PCTA vs
NCTA", but as I said earlier it's more about personalities than it is
about affiliation.

And character.

Well sure.

- Mike KB3EIA -

January 11th 05, 05:08 PM

Mike Coslo wrote:
Leo wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:24:07 -0500, Mike Coslo

wrote:

Leo wrote:

On 09 Jan 2005 04:51:35 GMT, (Lenof21) wrote:

In article , Leo

writes:

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST), "Phil Kane"
wrote:

On 08 Jan 2005 21:31:53 GMT, N2EY wrote:

Lenof21 wrote:

snip

Some even enter a batch of posts on a variety of subjects,
apparently
hoping to get sonething on the hook.......what's the word for that
again...?

To imagine anyone on Usenet would do that. 8^)

.....found it - "Trolling" - that's the word I was looking for!

Here is a bit of a question. I had started a number of these threads

recently in order to get some newsgroup related activities going,
because in December the group simply was losing ground to the wild
and
whacky adventures of some West Virginia hams, and some others of
indeterminate origin, but of the sort to turn us into a clone of
r.r.a.misc. So far, It has had its intended effect, to get some
discussion going.

So was that a troll?

Not that I can see.

snip

Note: All those wonderful braggarts are PCTA extra.

Is one of them Mike Deignan? If so, Len is wrong *again*,
because ol' Mike was/is for the elimination of the Morse Code test.

At least that's what he wrote in his comments to the FCC.

They can say
anything, write anything, do anything in here and are absolved
from ANY
criticism. Should they be taken to task, the task-taker is
soundly
objected to with endearing personal perjoratives having little
to do with
the subject.

Ipso facto, with a few exceptions - there are several OMs here who
are
quite civil, knowledgeable and conversational, and do not possess
the
NetNanny gene.....

Len obviously isn't one of them ;-)

It's a plain simple fact that all NCTA in here are always wrong,
no matter
what they write on anything. No one who is of the NCTA
persuasion
should bother debating the subject in here. The matter is
closed and all
NCTA are forever wrong, incorrect, and probably have underarm
odor.

.....and skinned knuckles!

Here's a challenge, Leo, if you're up to it.

Name the PCTA's in here (active) that have called NCTA's by such
names.
I'll give you a start:

Steve is pretty famous for name calling.

Great idea! - that would certainly get a nice warm flamefest going,
wouldn't it?

Request respectfully declined.

And since this subthread turned into a Mike and Jim "tag-team"
thing,
where do our names show up in that list? When have I called anyone
a
nasty name? I don't think Jim ever has either.

note: I will admit the one time I called Len "Lennie". No insult
was
intended, but he didn't like it, so I stopped.

Hmmm - maybe you're one of the exceptions?

Your pal was doing just fine too, until he decided to start using
profanities in his posts.

Do you mean me, Leo?

If so - when have I called Len a nasty name? Or anyone else here?
Specific instances, please.

To claim that another is speaking
"bull$#!+" is to directly infer that they are a "bull$#!+ter".

Actually it would be "to imply". The listener/reader draws the
inference.

I admit, that was a bit odd. I'm known to drop the very occasional
off
colored word, but only for effect.

"Sometimes the pool-pah defies the efforts to describe it".

I think if you compare the nasty names Len has called me, with the
names I have
called him, you will see a distinct contrast. Unless you consider "Len"
and "Mr. Anderson" to be nasty names.

Acgeed that this example does not meet your specification of "PCTA
vs
NCTA", but as I said earlier it's more about personalities than it
is
about affiliation.

And character.

Well sure.

Some people take the correction of their mistakes as an insult. I
don't.

73 de Jim, N2EY

January 12th 05, 01:27 AM

In article . com,
writes:

Some people take the correction of their mistakes as an insult. I
don't.

Tsk. You don't even "take" them. :-)

January 12th 05, 12:58 PM

Lenof21 wrote:
In article . com,

writes:

Some people take the correction of their mistakes as an insult. I
don't.

Tsk. You don't even "take" them.

Leonard H, Anderson has expressed yet another lie.

Why does he do this?

What causes a person with his alleged years of education and
experience to intentionally make untruthful statements in a public
forum...?!?!? ESPECIALLY a forum that is automatically archived and
immediately retrievable?

What an I D I O T ! ! ! !

Steve, K4YZ

January 12th 05, 11:28 PM

In article ,
(Lenof21) writes:

In article . com,

writes:

Some people take the correction of their mistakes as an insult. I
don't.

Tsk. You don't even "take" them. :-)

Gee, Len, you must be talking to the mirror again.

Do you still think that it's perfectly legal for *all* amateurs to operate with
expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses?

January 13th 05, 08:48 PM

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Do you still think that it's perfectly legal for *all* amateurs to operate
with
expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses?

"Operate" what? :-)

Tsk. Operate on a patient? [need lots of qualifications from government
on that, but not from FCC]

Operate a motor vehicle? [need a state driver's license to do that legally]

Operate a high-power broadcast transmitter? [most broadcast stations
don't need any FCC-tested licensed radio operators nowadays and the
amateur radio license didn't apply to that anyway...]

Operate a small boat radio transceiver? [you need to check Part 90
of Title 47 C.F.R. - include the HF bands - before opening your
keyboard...some licensing required but it isn't amateur radio kind]

Operate any RF emitter of high or low power while in the performance
of a Department of Defense contract? [civilian radio operator license
does not apply there]

Tsk. Jimmie, you best go back and read ALL of what was written
and try, try very hard, to discern when someone is using sarcasm
or pulling your leg. :-)

Tsk, tsk. Do you have a valid Expounding-Guru license valid for
giving us all the gracious benefit of "cures" to modern national
socio-poliitcal problems? You do that all the time in this amateur
radio policy forum. Those Guru opinions aren't even close to being
about amateur radio...not even when you shake your fists and
stamp your feet saying "they apply! they apply!" :-)

You haven't even figured out what "401 Alarm" means yet or where
it is from... :-)

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