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Cheap ass hams
robert casey wrote:
Landshark wrote: I can't wait for dayton this year. When those no good hammie try to buy my 10 meter and amps for cheap What, we should without question buy overpriced product? Over priced and crappy. Typical of what a dumb cber would attempt to sell. |
There is no "freeband". It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? |
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson
wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... |
Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by
comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Live Blues Music www.492acousticblues.com "Ham Guy" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in popping an unlicensed radio pirate. If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be detrimental. The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which gives you a chance to pull the plug. Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie"
wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... Dave responds with: Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in popping an unlicensed radio pirate. If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be detrimental. The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which gives you a chance to pull the plug. Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave, you type this above, then type this 4 minutes later. Make up your mind: Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Landshark -- Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. |
Ham Guy wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... I know of three within 15 miles of me. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
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Dave Hall wrote: | Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement | actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed | ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in | popping an unlicensed radio pirate. It's probably because it's a lot easier to track down -- after all, if the licensed ham is properly IDing himself, it's trivial for anybody who listens to look up that call sign and find that his ham class doesn't let him transmit there. | If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be | detrimental. Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track one down would be a lot harder. -- Doug McLaren, Life is short and hard, like a bodybuilding elf. So save the planet and kill yourself. |
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Charlie wrote:
Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... And getting caught can cost them their ham license. |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Charlie wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... And getting caught can cost them their ham license. So can being struck by lightning. :P -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:57:19 -0800, Justín Käse
wrote: In posted on Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: But having a ham license gives freebanders access to equipment that normally would not be available to unlicensed individuals. Some retailers will not sell gear to unlicensed persons, nor will some hamfests award prizes to those who hold no license, offering an equivalent cash value instead. Where does that idyllic situation exist? Many "Ham" shops will sell anything to anyone, if cash is flashed, regardless of whether they hold an appropriate license for its use. AES in Wickliffe, OH did this for a while in the late 1980s, but they may have discontinued the practice. There was also a hamfest in Pittsburgh that had a license requirement to claim any radio prizes. If you didn't have a license, you got cash. |
Ham Guy wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:57:19 -0800, Justín Käse wrote: In posted on Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: But having a ham license gives freebanders access to equipment that normally would not be available to unlicensed individuals. Some retailers will not sell gear to unlicensed persons, nor will some hamfests award prizes to those who hold no license, offering an equivalent cash value instead. Where does that idyllic situation exist? Many "Ham" shops will sell anything to anyone, if cash is flashed, regardless of whether they hold an appropriate license for its use. AES in Wickliffe, OH did this for a while in the late 1980s, but they may have discontinued the practice. There was also a hamfest in Pittsburgh that had a license requirement to claim any radio prizes. If you didn't have a license, you got cash. They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. AFAIK, there's no rule requiring a license to BUY equipment. There are rules about using it though..... |
I doubt if the hams who freeband are dumb enough to use their calls there (but you never know). But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are "recognized" there by other people who turn them in. Some might ID by mistake out of habit before they realize that they are out of band..... WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on CB using legal CB equipment? Or would I be using my ham license out of band? Not that anyone would really care, but.... | If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be | detrimental. Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track one down would be a lot harder. Yes, I agree. It just seems funny that the latest freeband bust seem to be hams running out of band over unlicensed operation. I've heard second hand of hams, bored of regular ham bands, doing "freeband" for a change of pace. |
robert casey wrote:
They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. AFAIK, there's no rule requiring a license to BUY equipment. There are rules about using it though..... Yes sir, as it should be. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
robert casey wrote:
-snip- WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on CB using legal CB equipment? pace. Nope. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:41:11 GMT, robert casey
wrote: They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. AFAIK, there's no rule requiring a license to BUY equipment. There are rules about using it though..... You are correct, there is no such written rule. However some merchants take it upon themselves to enforce this "rule". IMHO, if they make enough money that they can afford to turn away potential customers, more power to them. Most ham stores though, aren't exactly busting at the seems with buyers...... Dave "Sandbagger" |
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:46:47 GMT, robert casey
wrote: I doubt if the hams who freeband are dumb enough to use their calls there (but you never know). But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are "recognized" there by other people who turn them in. Some might ID by mistake out of habit before they realize that they are out of band..... That could happen. I've caught myself almost doing it a few times. WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on CB using legal CB equipment? Or would I be using my ham license out of band? Not that anyone would really care, but.... If you are running legal CB gear on legal CB channels, you certainly can use a ham call as a "handle". Why someone would is another question. | If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be | detrimental. Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track one down would be a lot harder. Yes, I agree. It just seems funny that the latest freeband bust seem to be hams running out of band over unlicensed operation. I've heard second hand of hams, bored of regular ham bands, doing "freeband" for a change of pace. Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the roost" once in a while. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the roost" once in a while. I got my start in radio with a legal CB radio back in 1976. Then got a ham license and never went back. If I wanted to "freeband" I can legally use the 10 meter band as a ham for the same operations. But with the sunspots out, I can use 20 or lower just as legally. |
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:42:08 GMT, robert casey
wrote: Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the roost" once in a while. I got my start in radio with a legal CB radio back in 1976. Then got a ham license and never went back. If I wanted to "freeband" I can legally use the 10 meter band as a ham for the same operations. But with the sunspots out, I can use 20 or lower just as legally. Certainly. I agree. But some people do things differently. When 10/11 meters opens up, there is often only a handful of hams on 10, but there are hundreds (or more) people on 11 meters. The DX potential is better. I don't condone it, but I do understand it. Dave "Sandbagger" |
ah ha ha how true but i have seen so call hams(proffesional no code techs)
gater on cb so they can use profanity.they seem to like the idea they can GET AWAY with it...ah ha ha 73, ``THE REAL HAM`` -- My Family Website-- http://mysite.verizon.net/res868sp/t...ily/index.html My Amatuer Radio Website-- http://www.qsl.net/kb9ygd/index.html http://dx.qsl.net/logs ---Search My Logbook |
Dave Hall wrote:
Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. Gee, I could use a contact in North Dakota to finish off my "Worked All States" award. Think I could use a freeband QSL card? ;-) |
Landshark wrote:
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... Dave responds with: Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in popping an unlicensed radio pirate. If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be detrimental. The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which gives you a chance to pull the plug. Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave, you type this above, then type this 4 minutes later. Make up your mind Yes, Dave, make up your mind. You are going to lose friends among the freebanders if you say anything is wrong with it. |
Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power
restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Steveo wrote:
Ham Guy wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... I know of three within 15 miles of me. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month what are there callsigns? or do they have to hide like you? |
Scott Slack wrote:
Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott Why would hams want to operate on 11 meters and talk to cbers? |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Scott Slack wrote: Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott Why would hams want to operate on 11 meters and talk to cbers? Is that a valid email addy JJ, or are you using a valid domain without permission? |
Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power
restricted to 100 Watts. Why restrict Hams to what would be QRP level on that band? g QRP is defined as 5 watts or less. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. We already can, QSL? I have a CB in my vehicle. A stock TRC-451 with an Astatic 636-L and a 2x455 box that talks as far as I can hear with a full size antenna. I also have a 2 meter and sometimes 440 as well. I left the CB in because it was already there and when you want to find out why traffic stopped, there's nothing like 19, for a minute or two. With almost total lack of any enforcement there, who's to know, or care if Hams do that now? Only Riley will know... |
Steveo wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: Scott Slack wrote: Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott Why would hams want to operate on 11 meters and talk to cbers? Is that a valid email addy JJ, or are you using a valid domain without permission? Switch noted.. are you getting this snow in Denver too JJ? |
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