IOTA: Hams vs Enviromentalists
 

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But scientists who study seabirds and other species on the islands 28
miles off the coast of San Francisco -- which some call "California's
Galapagos" -- said even limited public visits could have serious
effects on populations of birds and marine mammals that have
rebounded
since access to the islands by humans was strictly limited in 1969.

Limited to bearded, birkenstock wearing F&W or non-profit biologists as
a private playground.

Critics of the bill also warn that it could be precedent setting,
allowing not just ham radio operators but birders and others to visit
the main island, which is less than a quarter of a square mile in
area
and is densely packed with seabirds and other marine life.

Maybe they'll get white spots on their LL Bean hats.

bb wrote:
wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable

But scientists who study seabirds and other species on the islands 28
miles off the coast of San Francisco -- which some call "California's
Galapagos" -- said even limited public visits could have serious
effects on populations of birds and marine mammals that have

rebounded

since access to the islands by humans was strictly limited in 1969.


Limited to bearded, birkenstock wearing F&W or non-profit biologists as
a private playground.

But if they don't wear Birkenstock's? Do they have to be Demoncrats and
gay marriage proponents? Voted for Kerry and in favor of child molestation?

Seriously though, I agree with you that some people have a selfish take
on the issue, but gee whiz Brian, you have the camps separated so well!
It just isn't that black and white. You have good points, but if you
wish to do a limbaugh on everything, it hurts your position.

But back to the issue at hand, it would not be all that difficult to
have the amateurs trained to minimize the impact on the birds and other
critters.

If "A single person can cause a great amount of damage even before they
know they are doing it", then well, those birds and sea lions and
whatever are going to go extinct on the PDQ regardless of wherther
humans visit the island or not.


Critics of the bill also warn that it could be precedent setting,
allowing not just ham radio operators but birders and others to visit
the main island, which is less than a quarter of a square mile in

area

and is densely packed with seabirds and other marine life.


Maybe they'll get white spots on their LL Bean hats.

Wouldn't it be terrible to allow birders on the island? Birders are a
known source of bird extinction, especially since they hate birds so
much............

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable

But scientists who study seabirds and other species on the islands
28
miles off the coast of San Francisco -- which some call
"California's
Galapagos" -- said even limited public visits could have serious
effects on populations of birds and marine mammals that have

rebounded

since access to the islands by humans was strictly limited in 1969.


Limited to bearded, birkenstock wearing F&W or non-profit
biologists as
a private playground.

But if they don't wear Birkenstock's? Do they have to be Demoncrats
and
gay marriage proponents? Voted for Kerry and in favor of child
molestation?

And Vegan Rights!

Seriously though, I agree with you that some people have a selfish
take
on the issue, but gee whiz Brian, you have the camps separated so
well!
It just isn't that black and white. You have good points, but if you
wish to do a limbaugh on everything, it hurts your position.

When you're already being denied access, does it really matter?

But back to the issue at hand, it would not be all that difficult to
have the amateurs trained to minimize the impact on the birds and
other
critters.

Ayup. And if the IOTAdition members held hands and looked to the east,
they just might be able to create world peace.

If "A single person can cause a great amount of damage even before
they
know they are doing it", then well, those birds and sea lions and
whatever are going to go extinct on the PDQ regardless of wherther
humans visit the island or not.

Indeed. They are more than prepared to deny any request based upon the
unknown.

Critics of the bill also warn that it could be precedent setting,
allowing not just ham radio operators but birders and others to
visit
the main island, which is less than a quarter of a square mile in

area

and is densely packed with seabirds and other marine life.


Maybe they'll get white spots on their LL Bean hats.

Wouldn't it be terrible to allow birders on the island? Birders are
a
known source of bird extinction, especially since they hate birds so
much............

- Mike KB3EIA -

Huh?

bb wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

bb wrote:

wrote:



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable

But scientists who study seabirds and other species on the islands

28

miles off the coast of San Francisco -- which some call

"California's

Galapagos" -- said even limited public visits could have serious
effects on populations of birds and marine mammals that have

rebounded


since access to the islands by humans was strictly limited in 1969.


Limited to bearded, birkenstock wearing F&W or non-profit

biologists as

a private playground.

But if they don't wear Birkenstock's? Do they have to be Demoncrats

and

gay marriage proponents? Voted for Kerry and in favor of child

molestation?

And Vegan Rights!

HAR! I forgot them!


Seriously though, I agree with you that some people have a selfish

take

on the issue, but gee whiz Brian, you have the camps separated so

well!

It just isn't that black and white. You have good points, but if you
wish to do a limbaugh on everything, it hurts your position.


When you're already being denied access, does it really matter?


But back to the issue at hand, it would not be all that difficult to
have the amateurs trained to minimize the impact on the birds and

other

critters.


Ayup. And if the IOTAdition members held hands and looked to the east,
they just might be able to create world peace.

How about a hunger strike?


If "A single person can cause a great amount of damage even before

they

know they are doing it", then well, those birds and sea lions and
whatever are going to go extinct on the PDQ regardless of wherther
humans visit the island or not.


Indeed. They are more than prepared to deny any request based upon the
unknown.


Critics of the bill also warn that it could be precedent setting,
allowing not just ham radio operators but birders and others to

visit

the main island, which is less than a quarter of a square mile in

area


and is densely packed with seabirds and other marine life.


Maybe they'll get white spots on their LL Bean hats.

Wouldn't it be terrible to allow birders on the island? Birders are

a

known source of bird extinction, especially since they hate birds so
much............

- Mike KB3EIA -


Huh?

Part of the article was on how the scientists didn't even want Birders
on the island. My take is that Birders, who always try to observe birds
with as little interference to the birds as possible, are the last
people who would harm them. Seems the scientists are just trying to keep
people away from "their turf".

- Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo wrote:

Part of the article was on how the scientists didn't even want
Birders
on the island. My take is that Birders, who always try to observe
birds
with as little interference to the birds as possible, are the last
people who would harm them. Seems the scientists are just trying to
keep
people away from "their turf".

- Mike KB3EIA -

Yep. Agreed.

Then there are the lepidopterists. They stick little pins through the
bodies of threatened and endangered butterfly species, but won't let
anyone else cause harm.