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bb April 11th 05 11:44 PM


wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed, Apr 6 2005 8:38 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

The original intent of this newsgroup was to discuss
amateur radio policy.

Whoooooooa! There's a major rhetoric change on the part of
Lennie the Lame!


How much more uninformed could a "person" be? Len has been saying

this
for years.


Quite true. However, Robeson is in the constant
aggravated antagonistic mode and therefore makes
up lies about what other people have written.


The idiot actually claimed that I was the antagonist for NOT giving
Mike grief over his postponing the balloon shot.

Up until recently this forum been solely about the "Morse Code
Test Debate"...Or so he's claimed...


He's said its been about bad celestial calculations and seven
completely undocumentated hostile actions.

It's supposed to be about Morse Code.


This newsgroup was originally opened to take the morse
code test discussion/argument out of rec.radio.amateur.misc
to revlieve the crowding there. According to Paul's
often-stated welcome message text, it is concerned with
all topics of amateur radio POLICY.

Unfortunately, that's not the de facto situation with
message topics...which have ranged widely from the
(usual) bragging and self-glorification of individuals
to U.S. national politics and political figures to
choo-choo trains and other items in-between.


Where's Paul when you need him? He and his group did some fine rescue
work getting the K0AIR call out of the hands of micreants like K4CAP.

Finally get tired of getting your head bashed in over and

over
with FACTS to the contrary, Oh Spiteful One...?!?!


You're the one with the bloody scalp. Nurse, heal thyself.


In order to bandage himself, he has to look into a
mirror. That's difficult if he can't see his
reflection. :-)


I recall a guy in the movies who couldn't see his reflection in the
mirror. He was the living dead.



Putz.


Penis envy or just penis inuendo and infatuation?


It's just ENVY on Robeson's part because he's never
been IN electronics engineering in any way (a short-
term job as a purchasing agent doesn't qualify for
electronics engineering). He never got into military
communications handling despite having that vaunted
amateur radio license before first joining. He never
got to be any kind of military pilot despite having
a private pilot's ticket before joining. [we still
don't know the When and Where of those claimed "seven
hostile actions"...]


No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.

He bitterly resents ANYONE talking against him, as
witness this latest barrage of antagonistic postings
against others. He holds a terrible grudge on others
from a long time ago (Heil suffers from the same
malady) and doesn't mind venting in here, courtesy
be damned (on his part).


That famous DXer that works out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters? I guess
it takes all kinds.

Not being Jewish or even claimed closeness with any
Yiddisher, he picks up what he thinks is a cutesy
"cuss word" (putz)


(penis)

and tries to use it as a semi-
perjorative. So few know the meaning of that Yiddish
expression (including himself), that he thinks he can
get away with it.


Welp, The Amateur Formerly Known As Reverend Jim doesn't seem to mind.

What is curious is that Robeson cries/whines/bitches


and moans

about "civility" and use of "nasty" words, yet uses
them himself and is most uncivil in his remarks. See
the "complaint" he alleges he made to Google about
Todd (who has received far too many nastygrams for a
non-amateur-policy subject).


Steve has single handedly given thes rra.misc idiots a home on rrap.
Thank you Steve.

Robeson "shoots from the lip" about other things far
too often.


Shoots his mouth off, too. And you know what happens to people who
shoot their mouth off.

The old "MARS IS ham radio" subject was
(perhaps) the prime one. Now we have the total confusion
between "Peter Jennings" the ABC TV news anchor and another
of the same name who is an amateur radio licensee...all
couched in some sort of emotional "message of support"
for a cancer victim.


Bleeding heart?

Robeson often (far too often) DEMANDS "cites" for someone
stating anything against him which was patently obvious
to other readers of this newsgroup.


I just learned from him that unless an opinion is fully documented with
facts, that it is a lie.

He fakes "outrage"
that others would do such a thing to HIM! :-) On the
other hand, as the compleat hypocrite, he tells rather
bad, unreferencible LIES about others.


I started counting his new lies last week. He absolutely hates it.

Not a problem to
Robeson, but a problem to others since they don't care
that much about Robeson's "outrage." That "outrage" is
NOT a part of amateur radio policy and, as a result,
has helped (greatly) to turn this newsgroup into a petty
internecine personalily warfare blog.


Only Robeson maters.

There's NO real impetus for anyone to discuss amateur
radio policy in here...EXCEPT that everything should be
concerned with an absolute adherence to the Status Quo.


Perhaps "thier" pensions should go status quo as well as the ARS. No
annual cost of living raises.

Anyone expressing any other viewpoint is ganged-up on,
shouted down, and denigrated...for the simple reason of
disagreeing with the cherished Status Quo. Ergo, there's
no possible room in here to discuss issues. There's no
hope of discussing any pros or cons of the morse code
test since the Status Quo maintains an absolute "necessity"
to forever keep the code test. All the Status Quists took
that test, therefore all others MUST do so. :-)



retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person


Oooh! You gonna get Steve all worked up over that last comment.


bb April 11th 05 11:48 PM


K4YZ wrote:
wrote:


[we still
don't know the When and Where of those claimed "seven
hostile actions"...]


Only because I know it chaps your hide that you can't swish your
swagger stick around demanding to know and not get what you want.


That's just your excuse. It is common belief on RRAP that there was no
combat where you are concerned.


bb April 11th 05 11:51 PM


KC8GXW wrote:

Where's the career Air Force sergeant when you need him? You still

alive
Larry? I hope none of Toads toucans got him!


Larry the "Human Resources" student probably single-handedly killed a
career in HR due to the comments he made and archived on RRAP.


K4YZ April 12th 05 01:24 AM


bb wrote:
wrote:


Unfortunately, that's not the de facto situation with
message topics...which have ranged widely from the
(usual) bragging and self-glorification of individuals
to U.S. national politics and political figures to
choo-choo trains and other items in-between.


Where's Paul when you need him? He and his group did some fine

rescue
work getting the K0AIR call out of the hands of micreants like K4CAP.


The most recent holder of K4CAP never held K0AIR. So one has to
wonder what your point is, Brian...Not that there's ever any
meaningingful point to ANY of it...

It's just ENVY on Robeson's part because he's never
been IN electronics engineering in any way (a short-
term job as a purchasing agent doesn't qualify for
electronics engineering). He never got into military
communications handling despite having that vaunted
amateur radio license before first joining. He never
got to be any kind of military pilot despite having
a private pilot's ticket before joining. [we still
don't know the When and Where of those claimed "seven
hostile actions"...]


No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.


You continue to insist that I ahte Lennie. I don't. I
understand him better than he accepts tht I do, and therefore make sure
that OTHERS understand him too.

Just like I do you, Brian.

and tries to use it as a semi-
perjorative. So few know the meaning of that Yiddish
expression (including himself), that he thinks he can
get away with it.


Welp, The Amateur Formerly Known As Reverend Jim doesn't seem to

mind.

Wondering who THAT is becasue there's never been an Amateur KNOWN
as "Reverend Jim" That I am aware of, other than in Lennie's
imagination.

What is curious is that Robeson cries/whines/bitches


and moans

about "civility" and use of "nasty" words, yet uses
them himself and is most uncivil in his remarks. See
the "complaint" he alleges he made to Google about
Todd (who has received far too many nastygrams for a
non-amateur-policy subject).


Steve has single handedly given thes rra.misc idiots a home on rrap.
Thank you Steve.


They'll soon move on and you and Lennie will have it all back to
yourselves...And it wasn't my doings, Brian...It was Toiddie's
cross-posted rantings, not me, that brought them here.

Please try to keep your "facts" (snickersnicker)straight.

He fakes "outrage"
that others would do such a thing to HIM! :-) On the
other hand, as the compleat hypocrite, he tells rather
bad, unreferencible LIES about others.


I started counting his new lies last week. He absolutely hates it.


I "absolutely hate" that you further humilate yourself counting
nothing, Brian. You have never substantiated the first alleged lie.

Sooooooo.....Zero is still zero....

retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person


Oooh! You gonna get Steve all worked up over that last comment.


Why? He (Lennie) still has yet to provide us with so much as one
professional paper with his name on it. So Lennie's claim to having
been a "professional engineer" is vaporware.

Steve, K4YZ


bb April 12th 05 04:09 AM


K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:


Unfortunately, that's not the de facto situation with
message topics...which have ranged widely from the
(usual) bragging and self-glorification of individuals
to U.S. national politics and political figures to
choo-choo trains and other items in-between.


Where's Paul when you need him? He and his group did some fine

rescue
work getting the K0AIR call out of the hands of micreants like

K4CAP.

The most recent holder of K4CAP never held K0AIR. So one has to
wonder what your point is, Brian...Not that there's ever any
meaningingful point to ANY of it...


Callsign collectors.

It's just ENVY on Robeson's part because he's never
been IN electronics engineering in any way (a short-
term job as a purchasing agent doesn't qualify for
electronics engineering). He never got into military
communications handling despite having that vaunted
amateur radio license before first joining. He never
got to be any kind of military pilot despite having
a private pilot's ticket before joining. [we still
don't know the When and Where of those claimed "seven
hostile actions"...]


No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.


You continue to insist that I ahte Lennie. I don't. I
understand him better than he accepts tht I do, and therefore make

sure
that OTHERS understand him too.

Just like I do you, Brian.


You hate me too? OK, Mr Obvious.

and tries to use it as a semi-
perjorative. So few know the meaning of that Yiddish
expression (including himself), that he thinks he can
get away with it.


Welp, The Amateur Formerly Known As Reverend Jim doesn't seem to

mind.

Wondering who THAT is becasue there's never been an Amateur

KNOWN
as "Reverend Jim" That I am aware of, other than in Lennie's
imagination.


You know, the guy that trims out "W5TIT" but leaves in "Putz."

What is curious is that Robeson cries/whines/bitches


and moans

about "civility" and use of "nasty" words, yet uses
them himself and is most uncivil in his remarks. See
the "complaint" he alleges he made to Google about
Todd (who has received far too many nastygrams for a
non-amateur-policy subject).


Steve has single handedly given thes rra.misc idiots a home on

rrap.
Thank you Steve.


They'll soon move on and you and Lennie will have it all back to
yourselves...And it wasn't my doings, Brian...It was Toiddie's
cross-posted rantings, not me, that brought them here.

Please try to keep your "facts" (snickersnicker)straight.


Without you bringing him back for more with your incessant "demanding
of facts" etc, Todd would have dried up and blown away a long time ago.

He fakes "outrage"
that others would do such a thing to HIM! :-) On the
other hand, as the compleat hypocrite, he tells rather
bad, unreferencible LIES about others.


I started counting his new lies last week. He absolutely hates it.


I "absolutely hate" that you further humilate yourself counting
nothing, Brian. You have never substantiated the first alleged lie.

Sooooooo.....Zero is still zero....


Lie #12?

retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person


Oooh! You gonna get Steve all worked up over that last comment.


Why? He (Lennie) still has yet to provide us with so much as one
professional paper with his name on it. So Lennie's claim to having
been a "professional engineer" is vaporware.

Steve, K4YZ


Is that more of your "facts," Steve? An electronic engineer must have
published papers. Hi! Be sure to tell that to Congress before they
let hundreds of thousands more of them immigrate to the USA.

Welp, we always did know that you don't know what you're talking about.
And them's the facts.


[email protected] April 12th 05 06:41 AM

From: "bb" on Mon,Apr 11 2005 3:44 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed, Apr 6 2005 8:38 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

The original intent of this newsgroup was to discuss
amateur radio policy.

Whoooooooa! There's a major rhetoric change on the part of
Lennie the Lame!

How much more uninformed could a "person" be? Len has been saying
this for years.


Quite true. However, Robeson is in the constant
aggravated antagonistic mode and therefore makes
up lies about what other people have written.


The idiot actually claimed that I was the antagonist for NOT giving
Mike grief over his postponing the balloon shot.


Stebie just can't take ANY negative response to his
shouts and hollerings... :-)


to revlieve the crowding there. According to Paul's
often-stated welcome message text, it is concerned with
all topics of amateur radio POLICY.

Unfortunately, that's not the de facto situation with
message topics...which have ranged widely from the
(usual) bragging and self-glorification of individuals
to U.S. national politics and political figures to
choo-choo trains and other items in-between.


Where's Paul when you need him? He and his group did some fine rescue
work getting the K0AIR call out of the hands of micreants like K4CAP.


Paul Schleck (the extra who "signs" those welcome
e-mails to new names in the newsgroup) is apparently
long gone on some sabbatical or whatever. He doesn't
answer any e-mails...at least to the web address on
those "canned" welcome messages. ???

It would seem prudent for Paul to convene his jolly
troika and have this newsgroup nulled and voided for
a while. That's happened before when certain others
"took over" the place...just like it is now with
Stebie and the Anonymouses battling back and forth.




Putz.

Penis envy or just penis inuendo and infatuation?


It's just ENVY on Robeson's part because he's never
been IN electronics engineering in any way (a short-
term job as a purchasing agent doesn't qualify for
electronics engineering). He never got into military
communications handling despite having that vaunted
amateur radio license before first joining. He never
got to be any kind of military pilot despite having
a private pilot's ticket before joining. [we still
don't know the When and Where of those claimed "seven
hostile actions"...]


No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.


It seems to me that Stebie just CANNOT take any
negativisms on anything he says. That's been the
pattern for years. Oppose him enough and he grows
his hatred in his own little steaming pot and keeps
stirring it. That makes him worse. Tsk.

When Stebie just can't take it anymore, he gets out
the mirror and tells everyone else they are just like
that mirror image...which isn't true...but it's Stebie's
"argument device" and its all he's got. Tsk.

Stebie tries to "insult" me by calling the me of half
a century ago a "military radio mechanic." :-)

I can't find any evidence that the U.S. Army EVER
called radio communication operators and supervisors
as "mechanics." At one large Army depot involved
with electronics overhaul, the CIVILIAN technicians
are referred to as "mechanics" as a job title. That's
an exception as far as titles go. Most everyplace
else, a "mechanic" is someone who works on vehicles.

w3rv wanted to pull my chain some years back in a
long and unnecessary give-and-take about "engineer"
as a title. Kellie insisted one HAD to attend a
college or university and "earn" that degree in only
four years. With Stebie it got worse with him
equating college-accredited night classes as some
kind of "night school" on the level of teaching
citizenship to immigrants wanting to become
citizens. :-)

Stebie is all about CREDENTIALISM, of having all
those pretty (suitable for framing) certificates
on the wall to "show how smart he is" and etc.
Somehow he got the idea that being a purchasing
agent at a mid-size electronics company was
"equivalent to working in electronics engineering."
Tsk...I've been 45 years IN electronics design
engineering just in southern California, by job,
title, responsibility, and (eventually) by
degree.

Stebie is now working a schtick that "I don't
know anything about raising children" (which is
untrue, by example)" again. Tsk, tsk. Stebie
should talk...after fathering at least one
poor deformed child who eventually died. Of
course NONE of that is Stebie's fault. By just
SAYING so, he is an expert, knowledgeable about
everything in pediatrics (his LPN credential is
about that?). :-)



Welp, The Amateur Formerly Known As Reverend Jim doesn't seem to mind.


Jimmie has been FORCED into a back seat position
on the basis of Stebie's avalanche of postings
plus all those Anyonmouses, all shouting hatred
and e-ganging up like vultures on a few in here.

Jimmie (Who?) is starting to emerge about now,
possibly taking some testosterone supplements
so he can show others what a "man" he is in here.
:-)


I just learned from him that unless an opinion is fully documented

with
facts, that it is a lie.


Irrelevant. Stebie determines what is a "lie" and
what is "truth." :-)

If someone else has an opinion contrary to his, it
is (according to Stebie) a "LIE!" complete with an
exclamation mark. :-)

Stebie just CANNOT accept that anyone is contrary
to his glorious being/mind/ego. Can't be! Ergo,
it is a "LIE!" Eventually, EVERYTHING in this
newsgroup has to become Capt. Stebie's own
"battleground" where he can hold forth like some
self-styled feudal warlord. :-)


Robeson, but a problem to others since they don't care
that much about Robeson's "outrage." That "outrage" is
NOT a part of amateur radio policy and, as a result,
has helped (greatly) to turn this newsgroup into a petty
internecine personalily warfare blog.


Only Robeson maters.


Agreed...he can be a "mother" all right. :-)




retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person


Oooh! You gonna get Steve all worked up over that last comment.


TS. :-)

Tsk. I EARNED that IEEE membership the hard way...I
worked for it. Now, as a Life Member, I don't have to
pay dues and remain a full member in a professional
worldwide organization. Joined in '73 and had to have
three members' affidavits to accompany that
application. About the same time Stebie joined the
murines and had to have three DIs shout in his face.
Now he's getting even for all that abuse he took
back then. :-)

Stebie has LIED about my "lackluster career" and "doing
nothing" etc., but the poor guy has NEVER had anything
remotely as good, nor with the income. Tsk. There
was, in his case, not a "lack" but a VOID of "luster"
and one can't polish up something that isn't there.
[Stebie tries very had, but everyone can see he isn't
doing anything but jabbering generalities in his
bragging :-) ]

Sooner is later there MIGHT be a recursive move to
talk about "policy" concerning amateur radio in here.
I will remain optimistic. :-)




[email protected] April 12th 05 06:41 AM

From: "bb" on Mon,Apr 11 2005 3:44 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed, Apr 6 2005 8:38 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

The original intent of this newsgroup was to discuss
amateur radio policy.

Whoooooooa! There's a major rhetoric change on the part of
Lennie the Lame!

How much more uninformed could a "person" be? Len has been saying
this for years.


Quite true. However, Robeson is in the constant
aggravated antagonistic mode and therefore makes
up lies about what other people have written.


The idiot actually claimed that I was the antagonist for NOT giving
Mike grief over his postponing the balloon shot.


Stebie just can't take ANY negative response to his
shouts and hollerings... :-)


to revlieve the crowding there. According to Paul's
often-stated welcome message text, it is concerned with
all topics of amateur radio POLICY.

Unfortunately, that's not the de facto situation with
message topics...which have ranged widely from the
(usual) bragging and self-glorification of individuals
to U.S. national politics and political figures to
choo-choo trains and other items in-between.


Where's Paul when you need him? He and his group did some fine rescue
work getting the K0AIR call out of the hands of micreants like K4CAP.


Paul Schleck (the extra who "signs" those welcome
e-mails to new names in the newsgroup) is apparently
long gone on some sabbatical or whatever. He doesn't
answer any e-mails...at least to the web address on
those "canned" welcome messages. ???

It would seem prudent for Paul to convene his jolly
troika and have this newsgroup nulled and voided for
a while. That's happened before when certain others
"took over" the place...just like it is now with
Stebie and the Anonymouses battling back and forth.




Putz.

Penis envy or just penis inuendo and infatuation?


It's just ENVY on Robeson's part because he's never
been IN electronics engineering in any way (a short-
term job as a purchasing agent doesn't qualify for
electronics engineering). He never got into military
communications handling despite having that vaunted
amateur radio license before first joining. He never
got to be any kind of military pilot despite having
a private pilot's ticket before joining. [we still
don't know the When and Where of those claimed "seven
hostile actions"...]


No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.


It seems to me that Stebie just CANNOT take any
negativisms on anything he says. That's been the
pattern for years. Oppose him enough and he grows
his hatred in his own little steaming pot and keeps
stirring it. That makes him worse. Tsk.

When Stebie just can't take it anymore, he gets out
the mirror and tells everyone else they are just like
that mirror image...which isn't true...but it's Stebie's
"argument device" and its all he's got. Tsk.

Stebie tries to "insult" me by calling the me of half
a century ago a "military radio mechanic." :-)

I can't find any evidence that the U.S. Army EVER
called radio communication operators and supervisors
as "mechanics." At one large Army depot involved
with electronics overhaul, the CIVILIAN technicians
are referred to as "mechanics" as a job title. That's
an exception as far as titles go. Most everyplace
else, a "mechanic" is someone who works on vehicles.

w3rv wanted to pull my chain some years back in a
long and unnecessary give-and-take about "engineer"
as a title. Kellie insisted one HAD to attend a
college or university and "earn" that degree in only
four years. With Stebie it got worse with him
equating college-accredited night classes as some
kind of "night school" on the level of teaching
citizenship to immigrants wanting to become
citizens. :-)

Stebie is all about CREDENTIALISM, of having all
those pretty (suitable for framing) certificates
on the wall to "show how smart he is" and etc.
Somehow he got the idea that being a purchasing
agent at a mid-size electronics company was
"equivalent to working in electronics engineering."
Tsk...I've been 45 years IN electronics design
engineering just in southern California, by job,
title, responsibility, and (eventually) by
degree.

Stebie is now working a schtick that "I don't
know anything about raising children" (which is
untrue, by example)" again. Tsk, tsk. Stebie
should talk...after fathering at least one
poor deformed child who eventually died. Of
course NONE of that is Stebie's fault. By just
SAYING so, he is an expert, knowledgeable about
everything in pediatrics (his LPN credential is
about that?). :-)



Welp, The Amateur Formerly Known As Reverend Jim doesn't seem to mind.


Jimmie has been FORCED into a back seat position
on the basis of Stebie's avalanche of postings
plus all those Anyonmouses, all shouting hatred
and e-ganging up like vultures on a few in here.

Jimmie (Who?) is starting to emerge about now,
possibly taking some testosterone supplements
so he can show others what a "man" he is in here.
:-)


I just learned from him that unless an opinion is fully documented

with
facts, that it is a lie.


Irrelevant. Stebie determines what is a "lie" and
what is "truth." :-)

If someone else has an opinion contrary to his, it
is (according to Stebie) a "LIE!" complete with an
exclamation mark. :-)

Stebie just CANNOT accept that anyone is contrary
to his glorious being/mind/ego. Can't be! Ergo,
it is a "LIE!" Eventually, EVERYTHING in this
newsgroup has to become Capt. Stebie's own
"battleground" where he can hold forth like some
self-styled feudal warlord. :-)


Robeson, but a problem to others since they don't care
that much about Robeson's "outrage." That "outrage" is
NOT a part of amateur radio policy and, as a result,
has helped (greatly) to turn this newsgroup into a petty
internecine personalily warfare blog.


Only Robeson maters.


Agreed...he can be a "mother" all right. :-)




retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person


Oooh! You gonna get Steve all worked up over that last comment.


TS. :-)

Tsk. I EARNED that IEEE membership the hard way...I
worked for it. Now, as a Life Member, I don't have to
pay dues and remain a full member in a professional
worldwide organization. Joined in '73 and had to have
three members' affidavits to accompany that
application. About the same time Stebie joined the
murines and had to have three DIs shout in his face.
Now he's getting even for all that abuse he took
back then. :-)

Stebie has LIED about my "lackluster career" and "doing
nothing" etc., but the poor guy has NEVER had anything
remotely as good, nor with the income. Tsk. There
was, in his case, not a "lack" but a VOID of "luster"
and one can't polish up something that isn't there.
[Stebie tries very had, but everyone can see he isn't
doing anything but jabbering generalities in his
bragging :-) ]

Sooner is later there MIGHT be a recursive move to
talk about "policy" concerning amateur radio in here.
I will remain optimistic. :-)




[email protected] April 12th 05 07:24 AM

From: "bb" on Mon,Apr 11 2005 8:09 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:



No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.


You continue to insist that I ahte Lennie. I don't. I
understand him better than he accepts tht I do, and therefore make
sure that OTHERS understand him too.

Just like I do you, Brian.


You hate me too? OK, Mr Obvious.


:-) Stebie HATES everyone who stands up to him. :-)

Tsk. He probably calls Amelia "putz" as a term
of affection? :-)


Welp, The Amateur Formerly Known As Reverend Jim doesn't seem to

mind.

Wondering who THAT is becasue there's never been an Amateur
KNOWN as "Reverend Jim" That I am aware of, other than in Lennie's
imagination.


You know, the guy that trims out "W5TIT" but leaves in "Putz."


:-) Poor Stebie...still can't see others making
fun of him. The same thing is true for Jimmie, but
then he might be taking those testosterone
supplements...


Steve has single handedly given thes rra.misc idiots a home on
rrap. Thank you Steve.


They'll soon move on and you and Lennie will have it all back

to
yourselves...And it wasn't my doings, Brian...It was Toiddie's
cross-posted rantings, not me, that brought them here.

Please try to keep your "facts" (snickersnicker)straight.


Without you bringing him back for more with your incessant "demanding
of facts" etc, Todd would have dried up and blown away a long time

ago.

Quite true again. Stebie has to antagonizingly PRESS on
"everyone ELSE is always wrong" in the famous "big lie"
technique he learned from "Mein Kampf."



I started counting his new lies last week. He absolutely hates

it.

I "absolutely hate" that you further humilate yourself counting
nothing, Brian. You have never substantiated the first alleged lie.

Sooooooo.....Zero is still zero....


Lie #12?


...plus a thousand more before it... :-)



retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person

Oooh! You gonna get Steve all worked up over that last comment.


Why? He (Lennie) still has yet to provide us with so much as

one
professional paper with his name on it. So Lennie's claim to having
been a "professional engineer" is vaporware.

Steve, K4YZ


Is that more of your "facts," Steve? An electronic engineer must have
published papers. Hi! Be sure to tell that to Congress before they
let hundreds of thousands more of them immigrate to the USA.


Stebie KNOWS ALL ABOUT ENGINEERING, Brian. After all, he
did work as a purchasing agent for less than half a year.
"real close" to those who were actually doing engineering.
:-)

Poor Stebie hasn't bothered to check the references I posted
in here, hasn't even checked with the hams I've named in here,
hasn't done a literature search other than ham publications.
I could digitize some of those papers and send them out in
private mail attachments...but Stebie would REJECT that just
as he did with my commercial first 'phone license scan. :-)
That's a waste of time. Tsk...I put up some memorabilia on
communications and radio relay on another's website, put
the web address in here, and NO ONE bothered to look.
Dave said it was a waste of time and couldn't be bothered.

Just so's w3rv doesn't chime in with that false argument
again, I am NOT a state-registered Professional Engineer.
I AM an electronics design engineer who works for money
and that makes me a professional person. I am a Life Member
of the IEEE, a professional association. I don't HAVE to
get up and go to work every working day...that's called
"retirement." :-) [sometimes that really ****es off
those who still have a mortgage and loans to pay off, etc.,
but we are NOT all in the same working situation]

Stebie is really working overtime on manufacturing LIES
about me and you and Todd and anyone else who crosses
him in here. Not surprising to me.

Welp, we always did know that you don't know what you're talking

about.
And them's the facts.


That's stating the obvious. :-)




K4YZ April 12th 05 02:04 PM


wrote:
From: "bb" on Mon,Apr 11 2005 8:09 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:


No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.

You continue to insist that I ahte Lennie. I don't. I
understand him better than he accepts tht I do, and therefore make
sure that OTHERS understand him too.

Just like I do you, Brian.


You hate me too? OK, Mr Obvious.


:-) Stebie HATES everyone who stands up to him. :-)


Snip of usual regurgitated LennieStuff to:

Stebie is really working overtime on manufacturing LIES
about me and you and Todd and anyone else who crosses
him in here. Not surprising to me.


There's nothing "manufactured" about you, Lennie....Everything
that's been said here has been a direct result of information YOU
provided.

Sorry if that's a problem, but you did provide it.

You do lie, both about Amateur Radio in general and many of us who
are practitioners of that art. You've told us of things you'd do and
of things you've done, yet NO PROOF.

You taught Brian well...Just keep pouring the lies in to try and
further dilute the already muddled pool...Except that some of us can
stay ahead of your silliness and THAT is what YOU hate.

Leonard H. Anderson is a known chronic liar.

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] April 13th 05 12:27 AM

From: K4YZ on Apr 12, 6:04 am

wrote:
From: "bb" on Mon,Apr 11 2005 8:09 pm
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:



No doubt that inadequacy is at the root of his hatred for you.


You continue to insist that I ahte Lennie. I don't. I
understand him better than he accepts tht I do, and therefore

make
sure that OTHERS understand him too.


Just like I do you, Brian.


You hate me too? OK, Mr Obvious.


:-) Stebie HATES everyone who stands up to him. :-)


Snip of usual regurgitated LennieStuff to:


Poor baby...lil Stebie just CAN'T handle it...tsk, tsk.

Stebie is really working overtime on manufacturing LIES
about me and you and Todd and anyone else who crosses
him in here. Not surprising to me.


There's nothing "manufactured" about you, Lennie....Everything
that's been said here has been a direct result of information YOU
provided.


Tsk, tsk. You're going to say it is "all LIES" again,
aren't you? :-)

Is that all you "ahve?" :-)


Sorry if that's a problem, but you did provide it.


Provide WHAT? :-)

Poor baby...you couldn't STAND a short-form resume',
you thought it all some kind of "brag" exercise.
Tsk, it wasn't. It made you resentful and that
prompted your anger, hatred, and in-group attacks.

I've provided names and callsigns of those who know
me, but you have NOT contacted them. Instead, you
MANUFACTURE some person at NADC that claims to know
me...a decade after I'd been there and a PhD to boot
but NOBODY (but you) knows the name. :-)

I sent you a scan of my first 'phone license (the
very first one) and you would NOT look at it! :-)
Instead you manufactured a clear-libel "personal
page" on AOL damning me in no uncertain terms.
Fortunately for all concerned (except yourself), AOL
took it down as soon as they were informed. :-)

You do lie, both about Amateur Radio in general and many of us

who
are practitioners of that art. You've told us of things you'd do and
of things you've done, yet NO PROOF.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Here's the way things go down in
the rational world:

"Proof" is provided in the form of unalterable
third-party sources...things like employers, friends
(preferrably those that aren't within easy driving
distance to avoid collusion), publications, local
and national governmental records archives, some
place that is relatively easy to get at such as
Internet sites. [I've given you ALL those "links"
in here] The next step is for YOU to check out those
third-party references...or anyone else to do it, as
they want. That "proof" remains unalterable except
when a personal reference passes on (none of mine
have yet).

NO ONE MUST give YOU any "proof" of what they WILL
do. NO ONE can predict the future. :-)

In any event, you are NOT some kind of "judge" to
hand out any "ruling" on anyone, certainly not your
e-opponents. :-) You keep crowing that you ARE
one, but that is YOUR OWN LIE that you tell the
world. A LIE anywhichway it goes.

Now you MUST tell all about this former NADC
employee who claims to know me a decade after I
was there. You have NOT done so. You LIE.

You haven't told the Where or When of those famous
"seven hostile actions" you claim but won't reveal.
Tsk. You LIE and then give yourself a pat on the
back for imagining that to be "truth!" :-)

You have NOT acknowledged that the DoD directs and
supervises MARS, even when informed of the website
and full link details of the directive by DoD (as I
did in here).

In short, sweetums, like the infamous Colonel
Jessup of the film "A Few Good Men," you just can't
handle the truth! You LIE with impunity and then
accuse others of "lying" when they give details
and references. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You taught Brian well...Just keep pouring the lies in to try and
further dilute the already muddled pool...Except that some of us can
stay ahead of your silliness and THAT is what YOU hate.


You poor psychoed-to-the-max thing. Brian is a
rational human being who can think for himself.
I didn't "teach" him anything in regards to being
rational. We've both observed you in detail and
came to the same agreement...you're some kind of
sick psycho who CAN'T STAND being opposed in
anything.

Leonard H. Anderson is a known chronic liar.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Not at all. You are SICK,
sweetums, and all you can do is make all those
personal attacks on everyone who disagrees with
you. You NEED some personal mental counseling
but you've obviously not gotten any. That's a
danger to yourself and your immediate family, not
to mention cutting down on all the hate and anger
your actions ignite in this newsgroup.

Try to keep focussed on the FACT that this
newsgroup is SUPPOSED to be about amateur radio
policy. It is NOT some kind of kiddie sandbox
that was created for Stebie to show his courage
in personal attacks on everyone who disagrees
with him.




K4YZ April 13th 05 09:16 AM


wrote:
From: K4YZ on Apr 12, 6:04 am


I've provided names and callsigns of those who know
me, but you have NOT contacted them. Instead, you
MANUFACTURE some person at NADC that claims to know
me...a decade after I'd been there and a PhD to boot
but NOBODY (but you) knows the name.


Let's see....I "contact" some beer drinking buddy of yours who
you've already briefed on what to say and he'll tell me...what?

And The person I knew at NADC was an acquaintance of
mine...certainly no one who owed me any favor or would make up
something.

He has a REAL Doctorate in Electrical Engineering and HAS been
published. He has credentials that I trust. You don't.

I sent you a scan of my first 'phone license (the
very first one) and you would NOT look at it!


No, You did not.

You sent me a picute of a person "mooning" in the nose of an A-26.

It was among your many lies.

Instead you manufactured a clear-libel "personal
page" on AOL damning me in no uncertain terms.


It wasn't libel. The truth is never libel.

You sent an e-mail professing to be one thing, but it wasn't what
you said it was.

Your "shot" at gaining trust was itself "shot".

Fortunately for all concerned (except yourself), AOL
took it down as soon as they were informed.


The only one "fortunate" was you, Lennie. But then I've had
several years of rubbing your nose in your lies, deceit and mistruths
here to make up for it.

Nothing lost for me. Lot's lost for you. Like any chance at ever
being accepted for what you THINK you should be....

You do lie, both about Amateur Radio in general and many of us

who
are practitioners of that art. You've told us of things you'd do

and
of things you've done, yet NO PROOF.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Here's the way things go down in
the rational world:

"Proof" is provided in the form of unalterable
third-party sources...things like employers, friends
(preferrably those that aren't within easy driving
distance to avoid collusion), publications, local
and national governmental records archives, some
place that is relatively easy to get at such as
Internet sites.


I had all the "proof" I need, Lennie.

A third party with no allegience to protect. A man with a
professional reputation that I can bank on.

Unlike you.

In any event, you are NOT some kind of "judge" to
hand out any "ruling" on anyone, certainly not your
e-opponents. You keep crowing that you ARE
one, but that is YOUR OWN LIE that you tell the
world. A LIE anywhichway it goes.


I have never claimed to be a "judge", and I have very specifically
stated that you are not an "opponent". Ranking you as an "opponent"
would suggest you are at some level. You can only "best" me in
chronological years.

Now you MUST tell all about this former NADC
employee who claims to know me a decade after I
was there. You have NOT done so. You LIE.


He didn't know you "a decade after (you were) there". He knew you
WHEN you were there.

And I do not name him because I protect his privacy at his
request.

I have no reason to doubt his assessment or opinion. Your own
conduct, language, demeanor and conduct herein certainly give credence
to his assessment.

You haven't told the Where or When of those famous
"seven hostile actions" you claim but won't reveal.
Tsk. You LIE and then give yourself a pat on the
back for imagining that to be "truth!"


Nope. I take great pleasure in watching you run in circles with
it, Lennie. Very effective. Between that and trying to bite off more
than you can chew over MARS, you really have nothing left to do.

You have NOT acknowledged that the DoD directs and
supervises MARS, even when informed of the website
and full link details of the directive by DoD (as I
did in here).


Sure I have. I've said it several times over.

And I have ALSO said, and it reamins true today, that without the
Amateur Radio Service volunteers that flesh out it's ranks, none of the
three branches of MARS would exist in it's present form.

Without the "Amateur" component, there is no one to be
"Affiliated" with.

You taught Brian well...Just keep pouring the lies in to try

and
further dilute the already muddled pool...Except that some of us can
stay ahead of your silliness and THAT is what YOU hate.


You poor psychoed-to-the-max thing. Brian is a
rational human being who can think for himself.
I didn't "teach" him anything in regards to being
rational. We've both observed you in detail and
came to the same agreement...you're some kind of
sick psycho who CAN'T STAND being opposed in
anything.


There is nothing "rational" about adult males repeatedly and
adamandtly lying in public, Lennie. but the two of you keep doing it.

Leonard H. Anderson is a known chronic liar.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Not at all.


See what I mean...There's another one.

You are SICK,
sweetums, and all you can do is make all those
personal attacks on everyone who disagrees with
you.


You call me "sick" and "sweetums" in the same sentence,
Lennie...?!?!

That is sick!

And P L E A S E tell us ALL ABOUT "personal attacks"....

Would that be like the one you slung at Jim Miccolis in the "Lest
We Forget" thread this same date?

You NEED some personal mental counseling
but you've obviously not gotten any. That's a
danger to yourself and your immediate family, not
to mention cutting down on all the hate and anger
your actions ignite in this newsgroup.


You continue to infer that you have adequate training or education
in mental health issues to make such referals, however requests for
your credentials go unanswered.

And the only "hate and anger" my "actions ignite" in this
newsgroup are from folks who deem it necessary to chronically lie or
make up scanrios that don't exist.

For the most part, that's you and Brian. Todd has joined in
lately, but he's just a developmentally delayed adult with an attitude
and a computer.

Try to keep focussed on the FACT that this
newsgroup is SUPPOSED to be about amateur radio
policy.


I am glad to see that after all these years you have at LEAST
stopped trying to insist that this group is SOLELY for discussing the
Morse Code Test issue.

Now...You are still NOT a licensed Amateur with ANY practical
experience (other than this NG) in actual Amateur Radio policy issues,
which begs the question as to what YOU think you're doing here!

(Please don't recite the same lie about only being interested in
"debating the morse code TEST issue"...You wore that out years ago)

It is NOT some kind of kiddie sandbox
that was created for Stebie to show his courage
in personal attacks on everyone who disagrees
with him.


But that is ALL that YOU have used this group for, Lennie.

Why do you always make "rules" that YOU clearly violate,
Lennie...???

Steve, K4YZ


bb April 14th 05 01:48 AM


K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Apr 12, 6:04 am


I've provided names and callsigns of those who know
me, but you have NOT contacted them. Instead, you
MANUFACTURE some person at NADC that claims to know
me...a decade after I'd been there and a PhD to boot
but NOBODY (but you) knows the name.


Let's see....I "contact" some beer drinking buddy of yours who
you've already briefed on what to say and he'll tell me...what?


Like the time Hans contacted the ARRL...? Or was that the FCC?

And The person I knew at NADC was an acquaintance of
mine...certainly no one who owed me any favor or would make up
something.


But you would certainly "make up something."


[email protected] April 14th 05 04:47 AM

From: "K4YZ" on Wed,Apr 13 2005 1:16 am

wrote:
From: K4YZ on Apr 12, 6:04 am


I've provided names and callsigns of those who know
me, but you have NOT contacted them. Instead, you
MANUFACTURE some person at NADC that claims to know
me...a decade after I'd been there and a PhD to boot
but NOBODY (but you) knows the name.


Let's see....I "contact" some beer drinking buddy of yours who
you've already briefed on what to say and he'll tell me...what?

And The person I knew at NADC was an acquaintance of
mine...certainly no one who owed me any favor or would make up
something.

He has a REAL Doctorate in Electrical Engineering and HAS been
published. He has credentials that I trust. You don't.


You are getting way too deep in your psychosis.

Regardless of how much you "believe" the above to be
true, for the purposes of argument in here you must reveal
the name of that person or PUT IT AWAY. I was visiting NADC
34 years ago as an employee of RCA Corporation and stayed
there a total of three months. The former Naval Air
Development Center, NOT NAS Warminster across the road.
I had daily contact with only three NADC engineers in
that group and NONE of them would be "your acquaintence."


The only one "fortunate" was you, Lennie. But then I've had
several years of rubbing your nose in your lies, deceit and mistruths
here to make up for it.


You are living in some fantasy again. Reset.

Nothing lost for me. Lot's lost for you. Like any chance at ever
being accepted for what you THINK you should be....


Tsk, tsk. The ONLY thing I've "lost" is thinking you
might be rational. I'm way too optimistic. You aren't
rational.



I had all the "proof" I need, Lennie.

A third party with no allegience to protect. A man with a
professional reputation that I can bank on.


You have BOGUS "proof." Non-existant. That "acquaintence"
doesn't exist. You made him up.


He didn't know you "a decade after (you were) there". He knew

you
WHEN you were there.

And I do not name him because I protect his privacy at his
request.


1. You can't name him because he doesn't exist.

2. The ONLY thing you are protecting is your own
bragging LIE about that fantasy individual.

3. "Protecting privacy" is totally bogus. Rationalization
expressed to attempt masking your own LIE.


I have no reason to doubt his assessment or opinion.


You probably believe your own fantasy. To you it is
"truth." To everyone else it is just your fantasy.



There is nothing "rational" about adult males repeatedly and
adamandtly lying in public, Lennie. but the two of you keep doing it.


Then you are your own worst enemy since you are describing
YOURSELF.

The only way you can clear your LYING is to name this
supposed person in order to actually prove something.
Your "word" that he exists is also bogus. He doesn't
exist anywhere except in your own psychotic imagination.
Your "word" is therefore meaningless.

Provide this "name." Without it you have a bogus
"reference" that means nothing.

You are SICK and need help. Go get some.




K4YZ April 14th 05 10:40 AM


wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Wed,Apr 13 2005 1:16 am

wrote:
From: K4YZ on Apr 12, 6:04 am


I've provided names and callsigns of those who know
me, but you have NOT contacted them. Instead, you
MANUFACTURE some person at NADC that claims to know
me...a decade after I'd been there and a PhD to boot
but NOBODY (but you) knows the name.


Let's see....I "contact" some beer drinking buddy of yours who
you've already briefed on what to say and he'll tell me...what?

And The person I knew at NADC was an acquaintance of
mine...certainly no one who owed me any favor or would make up
something.

He has a REAL Doctorate in Electrical Engineering and HAS been
published. He has credentials that I trust. You don't.


You are getting way too deep in your psychosis.

Regardless of how much you "believe" the above to be
true, for the purposes of argument in here you must reveal
the name of that person or PUT IT AWAY. I was visiting NADC
34 years ago as an employee of RCA Corporation and stayed
there a total of three months. The former Naval Air
Development Center, NOT NAS Warminster across the road.
I had daily contact with only three NADC engineers in
that group and NONE of them would be "your acquaintence."


Your freedom of speech allows you to verbalize any statement you
care to make, Lennie.

Saying it does not make it true.

You were useless to them. Period. Now suck it up and move along,
old man! You ran your mouth off about all your hot jobs. You happened
to drop one name where I had an "in". I found you out.

Sucks to be you.

The only one "fortunate" was you, Lennie. But then I've had
several years of rubbing your nose in your lies, deceit and

mistruths
here to make up for it.


You are living in some fantasy again. Reset.


Reset yourself, old man. About 50 years worth.

Nothing lost for me. Lot's lost for you. Like any chance at

ever
being accepted for what you THINK you should be....


Tsk, tsk. The ONLY thing I've "lost" is thinking you
might be rational. I'm way too optimistic. You aren't
rational.


Sure I am.

That you try and redirect from YOUR misfortunes by making such
claims is ludicrous and transparent.

I had all the "proof" I need, Lennie.

A third party with no allegience to protect. A man with a
professional reputation that I can bank on.


You have BOGUS "proof." Non-existant. That "acquaintence"
doesn't exist. You made him up.


Nope.

What I TRULY know is that YOU find it hard to believe that there
really are people in the world who didn't develop a life-long devotion
to your wisdom, knowledge and skill.

He didn't know you "a decade after (you were) there". He knew

you
WHEN you were there.

And I do not name him because I protect his privacy at his
request.


1. You can't name him because he doesn't exist.


I WON'T name him becasue I promised.

2. The ONLY thing you are protecting is your own
bragging LIE about that fantasy individual.


That is not a truthful statement. And no matter how many more
times you repeat it, Lennie, it STILL will NOT be true.

3. "Protecting privacy" is totally bogus. Rationalization
expressed to attempt masking your own LIE.


No rationalization. A promise to a friend.

I have no reason to doubt his assessment or opinion.


You probably believe your own fantasy. To you it is
"truth." To everyone else it is just your fantasy.


Again, Lennie, you may repeate that over and over if you think it
will salve your ego...But the bottom line is that people at NADC did
not find you very effective.

There is nothing "rational" about adult males repeatedly and
adamandtly lying in public, Lennie. but the two of you keep doing

it.

Then you are your own worst enemy since you are describing
YOURSELF.


Nope.

The only way you can clear your LYING is to name this
supposed person in order to actually prove something.
Your "word" that he exists is also bogus. He doesn't
exist anywhere except in your own psychotic imagination.
Your "word" is therefore meaningless.


My "word" is bogus to YOU since claiming it is so is the ONLY way
you have of escaping the fact that you ran your mouth off one time too
many.

Provide this "name." Without it you have a bogus
"reference" that means nothing.


Here's a name that is bogus and means nothing: Leonard H.
Anderson.

You are SICK and need help. Go get some.


I am quite well, thank you. You, on the otherhand, still have
issues to deal with. Accepting that not everyone thinks you're the
genius and expert YOU think you are is one of them.

You're outted, Lennie. Get over it.

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] April 15th 05 04:05 AM

From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:40 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Wed,Apr 13 2005 1:16 am
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Apr 12, 6:04 am


Regardless of how much you "believe" the above to be
true, for the purposes of argument in here you must reveal
the name of that person or PUT IT AWAY. I was visiting NADC
34 years ago as an employee of RCA Corporation and stayed
there a total of three months. The former Naval Air
Development Center, NOT NAS Warminster across the road.
I had daily contact with only three NADC engineers in
that group and NONE of them would be "your acquaintence."


Your freedom of speech allows you to verbalize any statement you
care to make, Lennie.

Saying it does not make it true.

You were useless to them. Period.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. You don't know anything about what took
place on three successive R&D jobs where NADC was the test
agency for evaluation of SECANT (the RCA acronym for the
anti-collision system back then).

At NO time was I doing anything "for" NADC. NADC was the
federal test agency for that project and a similar one of
Minneapolis-Honeywell. My employer was RCA and that remained
so until 1975. As a field engineer I was representing RCA
for technical support of RCA equipment under test. NADC had
the aircraft and air crews available in 1971 and were directed
by Naval Air System Command to perform the testing of RCA's
and Minny-Honey's systems. USN was requested by the U.S.
government to do the testing (as a disinterested third-
party) and the USN passed that to Systems who passed it to
NADC.

SECANT (SEparation and Control of Aircraft by Non-
synchronous Techniques) performed well on the air-to-air
testing, as did the Minneapolis-Honeywell system. The data
acquisition and data-reduction by NADC was deemed costly (to
NADC) so that group was directed to employ tape-recording
of data instead of using the old-style (at the time) of
phototheater recording on synchronized motion-picure film.
The government and USN suggested some slight alterations in
threat logic used to provide avoidance manuever warnings as
well and both corporations agreed to do a second generation
of collision avoidance equipment to be tested in 1973. This
generation included bring-outs of signals and logic states
to be tape-recorded in a multi-channel tape unit. That
second generation equipment was successfully flight-tested
but I was spared having to be the on-site field engineer.
I did participate in some of the design on that generation
and did work with the principal NADC engineering crew that
visited Van Nuys (twice) before 2nd gen testing began.

Based on the results of that 2nd gen flight test, RCA was
requested to and awarded a contract for a third generation,
this time representing a "preproduction" airborne version.
A "prepro" is as close as can be to a final production
prototype and includes as many specialized circuits as
would be considered for a production model. That was done
by mid-1975 and I was responsible for the 8-channel (pulse)
receiver, front-end to video out (1.6 GHz RF band then) plus
co-designer of the (non-flyable) checkout set which presented
simulated air-traffic signals to evaluate crowded conditions.
Jim Hall, KD6JG, was immediate group manager and Al Walston,
W6MJN, was both my office cubicle sharer and the designer on
the transmitter (pulse) portion. Packaging shrunk from 3
full-ATR cases of generation 1 to the quarter-ATR single-case
of the 3rd generation. Three 3rd generation SECANTs were
done and checked out, ready for shipment to PA, when the
U.S. government (likely through FAA) canceled any further
work or testing on a new aircraft anti-collision system.
The government decided on adopting a relatively untried
hodge-podge system devised by MIT which supposedly fit
inside the RF spectrum of present-day ATCRBS frequencies.

Now suck it up and move along,
old man! You ran your mouth off about all your hot jobs.


Wasn't a "hot" job. Was an everyday kind of design job.

It was "hot" only in the SAW filters used to make it
possible to have "brick-wall" response matched filters
in a terribly small size in the 50 to 65 MHz region.
RCA corporate back east funded one of the labs there to
do the design and aluminum deposition on quartz plates
(first time I ever put a purchase order in on BLANK
quartz...kind of a novelty). In 1974 that was truly
state of the art. Once they were shipped in to Van Nuys
I had to mount them on something...RTV on epoxy PCB with
compression-bonding wires connecting aluminum film
contact ends to PCB lands. Luckily, Van Nuys had a
good thin-film lab at the time. Skirt response on the
filters was (to me) unbelievable...50 db drop in less
than 100 KHz at the edges, very nearly flat across the
top in the mid-VHF range.

You happened
to drop one name where I had an "in". I found you out.


Steve Robeson was *NEVER* "in" on either the RCA or
Minneapolis-Honeywell aircraft anti-collision systems.
Steve Robeson wan't even AT NADC in 1971 to 1975. He
was a jarhead who never got beyond Warminster NAS on
the other side of the road A DECADE LATER.


You are living in some fantasy again. Reset.


Reset yourself, old man. About 50 years worth.


No, just two hours worth...had a good sandwich for lunch
and it tasted like more. I'll settle for another cup of
coffee, though. :-)

Tsk. I have a copy of the FINAL report on SECANT. I
helped write it (name is on the cover). NOWHERE in there
is any mention of any "Steve Robeson" as part of the
government personnel at NADC. The document identifier is
VNES-74-TR-001 and was then marked "company confidential."
It's somewhere in the General Electric archives now.
Considering it is 31 years later, I doubt that presence
of the revealed document number is going to hurt the
RCA Corporation. :-)


That you try and redirect from YOUR misfortunes by making such
claims is ludicrous and transparent.


Tsk. Lil Stevie can't name detail one on what went down
at NADC, has NO knowledge of the SECANT or Minny-Honey
System testing. You can't even name the military aircraft
at the NAS or which ones were used for anti-collision
testing. [one was shared with NAVSTAR...which would later
become GPSS...:-) ] Tsk, tsk, tsk.


I had all the "proof" I need, Lennie.

A third party with no allegience to protect. A man with a
professional reputation that I can bank on.


You have BOGUS "proof." Non-existant. That "acquaintence"
doesn't exist. You made him up.


Nope.

What I TRULY know is that YOU find it hard to believe that there
really are people in the world who didn't develop a life-long devotion
to your wisdom, knowledge and skill.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) The only person "devoted to me" is my
wife...as I am devoted to her. Nothing else is requested in
life. The only "credential" needed is that marriage
certificate. :-)

He didn't know you "a decade after (you were) there". He knew

you
WHEN you were there.


Amazing. After a total of six trips to NADC and a total
time there of about three months, this (fantasy) person
"knows" me? 34 years AFTER the fact?!? :-)

Incredulosity uber alles! :-)


And I do not name him because I protect his privacy at his
request.


1. You can't name him because he doesn't exist.


I WON'T name him becasue I promised.


Total BULL****, bluffmeister! :-)


2. The ONLY thing you are protecting is your own
bragging LIE about that fantasy individual.


That is not a truthful statement. And no matter how many more
times you repeat it, Lennie, it STILL will NOT be true.


Sweetums, NOBODY can "prove" the non-existance of a
non-existant entity. NOBODY. :-)

All you have is a BLUFF. A LIE. :-)

3. "Protecting privacy" is totally bogus. Rationalization
expressed to attempt masking your own LIE.


No rationalization. A promise to a friend.


QUIT bull****ting us, Little Big Man. You tried a BLUFF.
You CANNOT BACK IT UP. :-)

Name the department this (fantasy) "friend" worked in at
NADC. Name some DETAILS that ONLY an NADC worker would
know. You have NOT revealed a thing.

I have no reason to doubt his assessment or opinion.


You probably believe your own fantasy. To you it is
"truth." To everyone else it is just your fantasy.


Again, Lennie, you may repeate that over and over if you think it
will salve your ego...But the bottom line is that people at NADC did
not find you very effective.


No problem! I WILL "repeate" it (better, I'll just repeat
it) that I could care less how "that [sic] people at NADC
did not find..." I never worked for NADC, never worked for
the USN as a civilian, never even applied for any job at
NADC. :-) I was an employee of RCA Corporation at the time
and REMAINED an employee until the RCA shut-down of the Van
Nuys, CA, Electromagnetic and Aviation Systems Division's
Position Locating Systems Group in November, 1975.

My "word" is bogus to YOU since claiming it is so is the ONLY way
you have of escaping the fact that you ran your mouth off one time too
many.


Your "word" is bogus. Period. You can't name a thing about
that (fantasy) "reference" individual...not a thing about
what went on at NADC in 1971-1975, not a thing about any
other projects under Naval Air Systems Command then.

You are FABRICATING a falsity. You have NO references
except what I reveal. YOU can't describe a damn thing
except your bogus "outrage" at "not being believed." :-)

Provide this "name." Without it you have a bogus
"reference" that means nothing.


Here's a name that is bogus and means nothing: Leonard H.
Anderson.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Emotionalism and name-calling.

Not to worry. Your buddies Jimmie Miccolis and Davie Heil
will support you. PCTA extra Double Standard MUST be
operative to you and them! :-)

You are SICK and need help. Go get some.


I am quite well, thank you. You, on the otherhand, still have
issues to deal with.


No "issues to deal with." Haven't submitted any
manuscripts to any publications having "issues" in the
last year. Not expecting any proofs on those. :-)

Accepting that not everyone thinks you're the
genius and expert YOU think you are is one of them.


Poor baby. Getting all petulant and snoddy again?

I COULD CARE LESS. :-)

Electrons, fields and waves don't much care for human
emotions like "love" or "personal desire." One works
by THEIR laws, not yours, not by somebody else's ideas.

Similarly, when trying to "prove" someone "wrong," you
have to REALLY PROVE them by REAL references, details,
information, VERIFIABLE sources. Trying to use some
unspecified, unnamed imaginary person is just bluffing
BULL****. Quit doing that. You will be better off
doing so.

You're outted, Lennie. Get over it.


Tsk. I was out this morning. Nice day. Still is.
Tomorrow will be a repeat of that. I will not "get
over it," since I like that kind of weather. :-)

Let me just repeat what your buddie Jimmie Miccolis
used to write in he "It ain't bragging if ya done
it!" Okay, I did it.

Not only that, I KNOW what was done and have valid
references as to what I did there. Not a problem to me.
Seems to be a helluva problem to you, though, and you
have your psychotic imagination in afterburner and you
can't get off the ground. Tsk, tsk.

Get some mental help. You need it.




K4YZ April 15th 05 08:15 AM


wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:40 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Wed,Apr 13 2005 1:16 am
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Apr 12, 6:04 am


Regardless of how much you "believe" the above to be
true, for the purposes of argument in here you must reveal
the name of that person or PUT IT AWAY. I was visiting NADC
34 years ago as an employee of RCA Corporation and stayed
there a total of three months. The former Naval Air
Development Center, NOT NAS Warminster across the road.
I had daily contact with only three NADC engineers in
that group and NONE of them would be "your acquaintence."


Your freedom of speech allows you to verbalize any statement

you
care to make, Lennie.

Saying it does not make it true.

You were useless to them. Period.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. You don't know anything about what took
place on three successive R&D jobs where NADC was the test
agency for evaluation of SECANT (the RCA acronym for the
anti-collision system back then).


It doesn't matter, Lennie. I know what happened on ONE of them.

At NO time was I doing anything "for" NADC...(SNIP)


But you were there and your performance was lackluster.

You got a bad "fit rep". Oh well. We can't all be "100%" 100% of
the time. Deal with it.

One of my first fitreps in the Corps was less than what it could
have been. Not bad, but certainly a wake-up call. I took my
"spanking", did what I needed to do to correct the shortcomings, and
moved on. No big deal.

SECANT (SEparation and Control of Aircraft by Non-
synchronous Techniques) performed well...(SNIP


Has nothing to do with Amateur Radio policy or that you were
deemed less than adequate at NADC.

Based on the results of that 2nd gen flight test...(SNIP)


Twenty one lines of non-relevent story telling.

Now suck it up and move along,
old man! You ran your mouth off about all your hot jobs.


Wasn't a "hot" job. Was an everyday kind of design job.


One you didn't do well at. Oh well.

It was "hot" only in the SAW filters...(SNIP)


Great. Ohhhhhhhhhhh...Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....Stuff that extend's an
engineer's slide rule, I am sure.

Of no relevence to Amateur Radio policy at ANY level or you
behaviour herein.


You happened
to drop one name where I had an "in". I found you out.


Steve Robeson was *NEVER* "in" on either the RCA or
Minneapolis-Honeywell aircraft anti-collision systems.
Steve Robeson wan't even AT NADC in 1971 to 1975. He
was a jarhead who never got beyond Warminster NAS on
the other side of the road A DECADE LATER.


Nope...wasn't in those programs.

I did have an "in" with a gentleman who was, however.

Outted you nicely.

You are living in some fantasy again. Reset.


Reset yourself, old man. About 50 years worth.


No, just two hours worth...had a good sandwich for lunch
and it tasted like more. I'll settle for another cup of
coffee, though.


Perhaps all that coffee is your undoing, Lennie.

At your age more thyan one cup a day is a sure bet for premature
cardiac demise.

Tsk. I have a copy of the FINAL report on SECANT...(SNIP)


I am sure the Anderson household is ripe with files of old
projects that have absolutely nothing to do with Amateur Radio.

Fifteen more lines of non-relevent stuff snipped for brevity.

That you try and redirect from YOUR misfortunes by making such
claims is ludicrous and transparent.


Tsk. Lil Stevie can't name detail one on what went down
at NADC, has NO knowledge of the SECANT or Minny-Honey
System testing. You can't even name the military aircraft
at the NAS or which ones were used for anti-collision
testing. [one was shared with NAVSTAR...which would later
become GPSS...:-) ] Tsk, tsk, tsk.


And not a bit of it relvent to the fact that Leonard H. Anderson
was at NADC, was a less than stellar performer, and when I asked around
about him, I got a "hit"...

I've not once "challenged" that any of that occured at NADC, nor
have I "challenged" that you were there. I KNOW you were there,
Lennie.

What I TRULY know is that YOU find it hard to believe that

there
really are people in the world who didn't develop a life-long

devotion
to your wisdom, knowledge and skill.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) The only person "devoted to me" is my
wife...as I am devoted to her. Nothing else is requested in
life. The only "credential" needed is that marriage
certificate.


A marriage certificat is NO guarnatee of devotion, Lennie. It was
only legal permission for the two of you to get maried.

An old high school acquaintence of mine has been "cohabitating"
with his high school sweetheart for over 25 years now. No marriage.
They are as devoted as any couple I've ever known.

He didn't know you "a decade after (you were) there". He

knew
you
WHEN you were there.


Amazing. After a total of six trips to NADC and a total
time there of about three months, this (fantasy) person
"knows" me? 34 years AFTER the fact?!?


Actaully at the time I found you out it was only 20-some years,
and no, he didn't "know" you off the top of his head. He did some
research, however, on contractors who had been there.

You were there. You weren't the best "engineer" in their
estimation.

I WON'T name him becasue I promised.


Total BULL####, bluffmeister!


No "BS", Lennie....I won't name him. No bluff intended.

2. The ONLY thing you are protecting is your own
bragging LIE about that fantasy individual.


That is not a truthful statement. And no matter how many more
times you repeat it, Lennie, it STILL will NOT be true.


Sweetums, NOBODY can "prove" the non-existance of a
non-existant entity. NOBODY.


Who's "sweetums"...?!?!

All you have is a BLUFF. A LIE.


Nope.

3. "Protecting privacy" is totally bogus. Rationalization
expressed to attempt masking your own LIE.


No rationalization. A promise to a friend.


QUIT bull####ting us, Little Big Man. You tried a BLUFF.
You CANNOT BACK IT UP.

Name the department this (fantasy) "friend" worked in at
NADC. Name some DETAILS that ONLY an NADC worker would
know. You have NOT revealed a thing.


I have revealed that you were less than spectacular at atleast ONE
of your "jobs".

And there will be no further "details" forthcomimg. You can't
squeal and whine all you like, Lennie, but just like your promises to
us, that's all you'll get from me on this subject.

I have no reason to doubt his assessment or opinion.

You probably believe your own fantasy. To you it is
"truth." To everyone else it is just your fantasy.


Again, Lennie, you may repeate that over and over if you think

it
will salve your ego...But the bottom line is that people at NADC did
not find you very effective.


No problem! I WILL "repeate" it (better, I'll just repeat
it) that I could care less how "that [sic] people at NADC
did not find..." I never worked for NADC, never worked for
the USN as a civilian, never even applied for any job at
NADC. I was an employee of RCA Corporation at the time
and REMAINED an employee until the RCA shut-down of the Van
Nuys, CA, Electromagnetic and Aviation Systems Division's
Position Locating Systems Group in November, 1975.


And the people at NADC that had to evaluate the performace of the
contract weren't impressed with YOU, Lennie.

Rant all you care to. It really is THAT simple.

My "word" is bogus to YOU since claiming it is so is the ONLY

way
you have of escaping the fact that you ran your mouth off one time

too
many.


Your "word" is bogus. Period. You can't name a thing about
that (fantasy) "reference" individual...not a thing about
what went on at NADC in 1971-1975, not a thing about any
other projects under Naval Air Systems Command then.


And I could care less about them, Lennie.

I inquired about YOU, and YOU are what I got answers about.

You are FABRICATING a falsity.


Nope.

You have NO reference except what I reveal.


Your "refrences" where what lead me to find out what I did.
Thanks.

YOU can't describe a damn thing
except your bogus "outrage" at "not being believed."


Oh, Lennie, I am farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from "outraged"! YOU, old
man, are the one with the outrage issues!. To the tune of thousands of
lines of irrelevent rhetoric over the last several years meant only to
blunt the damage of what I discovered.

Too late! Shudda kept your mouth shut!

Provide this "name." Without it you have a bogus
"reference" that means nothing.


Here's a name that is bogus and means nothing: Leonard H.
Anderson.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Emotionalism and name-calling.


Nope. Fact. Established by YOUR track record of lying, deceit,
misconduct and dishonesty.

Not to worry. Your buddies Jimmie Miccolis and Davie Heil
will support you. PCTA extra Double Standard MUST be
operative to you and them!


"Jimmie" Miccolis? Jim has a little son? Whether or not N2EY or
K8MN "support" me is also irrelevent. I know what I know because YOU
shot your mouth off and I just happened to know someone in a postion to
verify it.

You are SICK and need help. Go get some.


I am quite well, thank you. You, on the otherhand, still have
issues to deal with.


No "issues to deal with." Haven't submitted any
manuscripts to any publications having "issues" in the
last year. Not expecting any proofs on those.


How can you expect a "proof" on something that doesn't exist?

On the otherhand, the foregoing rant and spin-doctoring you just
hit us with IS evidence of your "issues" with your own condcut.

Accepting that not everyone thinks you're the
genius and expert YOU think you are is one of them.


Poor baby. Getting all petulant and snoddy again?

I COULD CARE LESS.


Liar, liar, pants on fire! Several YEARS worth of YOUR rantings
reveal otherwise!

You're outted, Lennie. Get over it.


Tsk. I was out this morning. Nice day. Still is.
Tomorrow will be a repeat of that. I will not "get
over it," since I like that kind of weather. :-)

Let me just repeat what your buddie Jimmie Miccolis
used to write in he "It ain't bragging if ya done
it!" Okay, I did it.

Not only that, I KNOW what was done and have valid
references as to what I did there. Not a problem to me.
Seems to be a helluva problem to you, though, and you
have your psychotic imagination in afterburner and you
can't get off the ground. Tsk, tsk.

Get some mental help. You need it.


No, I don't. You, on the otherhand, have honesty issues to get
straightened out. Still.



Still The Putz Today That You Were Yesterday And Will Be Tomorrow.

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] April 15th 05 08:41 PM

From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 15 2005 12:15 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:40 am



Tsk, tsk, tsk. You don't know anything about what took
place on three successive R&D jobs where NADC was the test
agency for evaluation of SECANT (the RCA acronym for the
anti-collision system back then).


It doesn't matter, Lennie. I know what happened on ONE of them.


You know NOTHING. :-)

All you do in here is try to demean and denigrate others
who HAVE some experience in radio...especially those
who have done MORE than you ever have. Tsk.

At NO time was I doing anything "for" NADC...(SNIP)


But you were there and your performance was lackluster.

You got a bad "fit rep". Oh well. We can't all be "100%" 100%

of
the time. Deal with it.


Tsk. You have NO frame of reference in trying to compare
industry with your personal experience in the military.

To reiterate - because you can't understand how industry
works - I was NOT EVER an employee of the USN and NOT
EVER at NADC. I was an employee of RCA Corporation then
and remained so until 1975. At NO TIME did any NADC
people do any performance reviews of my work. They
couldn't. I was NOT an employee there. :-)

Industry doesn't have "fitreps" as you call them. They
are called performance reviews and are periodic, the
period of review times dependent on local corporate
policy. [see any Personnel department...or "Human
Resources" - same thing under a new buzzword]

One of my first fitreps in the Corps was less than what it could
have been. Not bad, but certainly a wake-up call. I took my
"spanking", did what I needed to do to correct the shortcomings, and
moved on. No big deal.


The electronics industry is NOT "the corps." :-)

I've not had a bad performance review in my whole
career in southern California aerospace. That career
started in 1956. Not anywhere close to what you
think deserves a "spanking." :-)

The only "wake-up calls" I've had were from
operators at motels and hotels I was staying at
while on field trips for my employers. :-)

SECANT (SEparation and Control of Aircraft by Non-
synchronous Techniques) performed well...(SNIP


Has nothing to do with Amateur Radio policy or that you were
deemed less than adequate at NADC.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still trying to spin your undetailed
yarn of "less than adequate" performance at NADC?

Idiot. I was never employed by NADC. I was never
employed by the USN in any capacity. No part of
the USN ever rated me for any "performance review"
and certainly not a "fitrep" a la the murines. :-)

You are still trying a snow job on everyone in a
vague effort to cover up your original LIE. Tsk.

The ONLY way you can right your terrible wrong is
to give enough detail into what was actually done
while I was at NADC as "contractor personnel,"
aka field engineer. You can't do that. You have
NO real information to base your personal attack,
don't know how contracts are carried out, have NO
idea what this particular project was about (even
if explained in detail to you), have NO
understanding of research and development with
Department of Defense contractural procedures.

Based on the results of that 2nd gen flight test...(SNIP)


Twenty one lines of non-relevent story telling.


Tsk. VERY relevant and necessary to counter all
your pitiful little LIES told about others.

Now suck it up and move along,
old man! You ran your mouth off about all your hot jobs.


Wasn't a "hot" job. Was an everyday kind of design job.


One you didn't do well at. Oh well.


Tsk, tsk. You have NO idea of what was involved,
don't understand the technology, don't understand
the way contracts are performed, don't understand
the way individual performance is rated by the
electronics industry.

As I said, I've had NO bad performance reviews in
the aerospace industry. [research that all you
want...if you say you "found" something, then that
would be FALSE, a LIE]

Proof of performance is that equipment works
according to pre-established specifications. In
the case of Research and Development contracts,
test data may turn up some need to change the
original specifications (not unusual). Such
changes may be instituted by the contractee (or
testing agency assigned by contractee) or the
contractor. In the case of the first generation
SECANT, the testing agency (NADC) found that
their data recording methods (phototheater) was
inadequate. That was solved on the second
generation by incorporating a multi-channel tape
recorder formatted for the on-site NADC computer
(can your mythical "reference" name that main-
frame computer, hmmm?). That condition applied
to the Minneapolis-Honeywell collision avoidance
system also under test (separate contract).


It was "hot" only in the SAW filters...(SNIP)


Great. Ohhhhhhhhhhh...Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....Stuff that extend's an
engineer's slide rule, I am sure.


Tsk. Improper use of pluralities. :-)

"SAW" is an acronym for Surface Acoustic Wave. Those
are frequency-domain filters using the phenomena of
very ultrasonic wave propagation on surface of
piezo-electric material such as quartz or lithium
niobate. Interdigital SAW filters can be made
with extreme sharpness of skirt selectivity at the
passband edges. As such they make ideal "matched"
filters; i.e., their passband is equivalent to the
reciprocal of a pulse width...resulting in an RF
envelope output shape close to a cosine-squared
(very low harmonic content) waveform. SAW filters
are common as "roofing filters" or the very first
filter of multiple-conversion receivers. You will
find SAW filters in common use in cell phones due
to their very small size...as well as cell site
terminal equipment...and now TV receivers,
especially those for DTV. In 1974 SAW filter use
was "cutting edge" technology, especially in the
mid-VHF frequency range. 31 years later it is
rather common and Murata (among many makers) have
produced hundreds of thousands of SAW filters on
lithium niobate substrates.

Of no relevence to Amateur Radio policy at ANY level or you
behaviour herein.


"Behaviour?" :-)

Since when has YOUR name-calling, denigrations, and
attempts at defamation of character ever concerned
"amateur radio policy?" Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You happened
to drop one name where I had an "in". I found you out.


Steve Robeson was *NEVER* "in" on either the RCA or
Minneapolis-Honeywell aircraft anti-collision systems.
Steve Robeson wan't even AT NADC in 1971 to 1975. He
was a jarhead who never got beyond Warminster NAS on
the other side of the road A DECADE LATER.


Nope...wasn't in those programs.

I did have an "in" with a gentleman who was, however.

Outted you nicely.


An "in?" Tsk. You've been talking to YOURSELF, busy
telling your various personalities tall tales.

You are so far OUT you couldn't get "in" anything
but your own sociopathic psychotic activity of
constantly trying to denigrate ANYONE who opposes
you in any way. You keep compounding your own LIES.

You can NOT produce any DETAIL at all of what I was
doing at NADC or even whatever I did at any time in
my career in electronics design engineering. You
haven't a clue as to what is done in industry on a
regular basis. You can't describe NADC or Warminster
NAS across the street, you can't describe how one
crosses that road, the shape of the NADC buildings,
their special NASA astronaut test facilities (only
one), any of the broadband HF radio antennas outside,
the fact that the original building and airfield was
constructed for Brewster Aircraft (the only aircraft
corporation known to go bankrupt DURING WW2), or the
curious taxiway from ramp area to runway at the NAS.
You can't name anything about the NADC computer
center, can't identify the curious little tracks
on part of the ground floor buildings that were at
NADC, don't understand that the NAS was all-Navy but
NADC was largely civilian. You can't describe the
cafeteria at NADC or the "O club" right above it nor
the various little offices that can serve both NADC
and contractor personnel, can't describe their
internal police arrangement, or even their playing
of reveille at an unusual time.

All you can say is that you "knew somebody" there
who "gave me a bad fitrep" and said I did "lackluster"
work for NADC. You LIE and compound that LIE.


Tsk. I have a copy of the FINAL report on SECANT...(SNIP)


I am sure the Anderson household is ripe with files of old
projects that have absolutely nothing to do with Amateur Radio.


The proper word is "rife." Yes, I have enough from a half
century of working IN electronics and radio, but a small
part of it DOES have to do with hobby electronics (such
as amateur radio. I converted a spare 3rd bedroom into an
office/library for my wife and myself years ago...in the
southern house (not the northern one in WA)...one 13-foot
wall has three rows of bookshelves (and that isn't enough).


And not a bit of it relvent to the fact that Leonard H. Anderson
was at NADC, was a less than stellar performer, and when I asked

around
about him, I got a "hit"...


You got ****. Bad word or not, that describes what you do
to EVERYONE who disagrees with you. You **** on their
person, defecating on them verbally in a momentous
display of your rage and hatred if they so much as say
anything negative against you. All you do is practice
sociopathic verbal defecation.


And the people at NADC that had to evaluate the performace of the
contract weren't impressed with YOU, Lennie.


Idiot. A TESTING AGENCY "evaluates the performance" of
the TEST. It doesn't "evaluate contractor personnel."

For the last time: "Contractor personnel" do NOT work
FOR any federal test agency. They work FOR their
employer. Employers do the performance reviews of their
employees. If a contractor's employee does not perform
as they are required to do, the contractor removes them.
I've NEVER been removed for such a reason. I've never
been removed from a field test location for ANY reason.

You have to TRY and stop ****TING on people you don't
like. It isn't productive, it isn't civil, it isn't
according to The Amateur's Code.

All you've done so far is to dig yourself deeper into
your original LIE. You have NO proof. You can't
supply ANY details. You have so many misunderstandings
about defense contracts and procedure that it shows you
are totally BOGUS in all that ****TING on others.

You are SICK. You have diss-temper. You need a vet...
a veterinarian...or something. GET HELP for yourself.




Dave Heil April 15th 05 10:36 PM

wrote:


You can NOT produce any DETAIL at all of what I was
doing at NADC or even whatever I did at any time in
my career in electronics design engineering. You
haven't a clue as to what is done in industry on a
regular basis. You can't describe NADC or Warminster
NAS across the street, you can't describe how one
crosses that road, the shape of the NADC buildings,
their special NASA astronaut test facilities (only
one), any of the broadband HF radio antennas outside,
the fact that the original building and airfield was
constructed for Brewster Aircraft (the only aircraft
corporation known to go bankrupt DURING WW2), or the
curious taxiway from ramp area to runway at the NAS.
You can't name anything about the NADC computer
center, can't identify the curious little tracks
on part of the ground floor buildings that were at
NADC, don't understand that the NAS was all-Navy but
NADC was largely civilian. You can't describe the
cafeteria at NADC or the "O club" right above it nor
the various little offices that can serve both NADC
and contractor personnel, can't describe their
internal police arrangement, or even their playing
of reveille at an unusual time.


Just as an aside, Leonard, would it be possible for you to come up with
any details about my work overseas at U.S. Embassies in Helsinki,
Finland;
Bissau, Guinea-Bissau; Freetown, Sierra Leone; Gaborone, Botswana or Dar
es Salaam, Tanzania? Could you describe just one of the embassies or
one of the comm centers in any one of them? Would you be able to
outline what my typical day might entail or what equipment I used?

Would you be able to do the same for my Air Force tour in Vietnam?

The proper word is "rife." Yes, I have enough from a half
century of working IN electronics and radio, but a small
part of it DOES have to do with hobby electronics (such
as amateur radio.


Such as amateur radio--but not actually amateur radio.


"All you do in here is try to demean and denigrate others
who HAVE some experience in radio...especially those
who have done MORE than you ever have. Tsk."

--Leonard H. Anderson

"Since when has YOUR name-calling, denigrations, and
attempts at defamation of character ever concerned
'amateur radio policy?' Tsk, tsk, tsk."

--Leonard H. Anderson

You got SH*T. Bad word or not, that describes what you do
to EVERYONE who disagrees with you. You SH*T on their
person, defecating on them verbally in a momentous
display of your rage and hatred if they so much as say
anything negative against you. All you do is practice
sociopathic verbal defecation.

--Leonard H. Anderson


These are priceless, Len and I have no doubt that you'll be seeing them
again. You've succeeded in describing your own behavior.

Dave K8MN

K4YZ April 16th 05 05:23 AM


wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 15 2005 12:15 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:40 am



Tsk, tsk, tsk. You don't know anything about what took
place on three successive R&D jobs where NADC was the test
agency for evaluation of SECANT (the RCA acronym for the
anti-collision system back then).


It doesn't matter, Lennie. I know what happened on ONE of

them.

You know NOTHING.


I know enough about you, Lennie.

All you do in here is try to demean and denigrate others
who HAVE some experience in radio...especially those
who have done MORE than you ever have. Tsk.

At NO time was I doing anything "for" NADC...(SNIP)


But you were there and your performance was lackluster.

You got a bad "fit rep". Oh well. We can't all be "100%" 100%

of
the time. Deal with it.


Tsk. You have NO frame of reference in trying to compare
industry with your personal experience in the military.

To reiterate - because you can't understand how industry
works - I was NOT EVER an employee of the USN and NOT
EVER at NADC. I was an employee of RCA Corporation then
and remained so until 1975. At NO TIME did any NADC
people do any performance reviews of my work. They
couldn't. I was NOT an employee there.


Then your ignorance exceeds your arrogance, Lennie, becasue
SOMEone sure put pen to paper.

Huge snip of usual dodging and spinning behind volumes of
pontification and self-righteous indignation.


And not a bit of it relvent to the fact that Leonard H.

Anderson
was at NADC, was a less than stellar performer, and when I asked

around
about him, I got a "hit"...


You got ####. Bad word or not, that describes what you do
to EVERYONE who disagrees with you. You #### on their
person, defecating on them verbally in a momentous
display of your rage and hatred if they so much as say
anything negative against you. All you do is practice
sociopathic verbal defecation.


Lennie, if you'd stop doing the very same thing in THIS forum
under the guise of your self-conceptualized superior intellect and
breeding, people would stop doing it to you.

You ran your mouth off. I was able to do a bit of research and
came up with the money card. Sucks to be you.

No matter how much you scream, how many profanities you peel off,
and how you try to bog down the basics with technical dissertations
that have NOTHING to do with the underlying comments, you'll still be
you and no one really cares about you or your anti/hate Amateur Radio
rantings.

And the people at NADC that had to evaluate the performace of

the
contract weren't impressed with YOU, Lennie.


Idiot. A TESTING AGENCY "evaluates the performance" of
the TEST. It doesn't "evaluate contractor personnel."


If yuo don't do the job they expect of you, yes, they put things
in writting.

For the last time: ...(SNIP)


You never do ANYTHING for "the last time".

As a matter of fact, you haven't done ANY of the things you said
you'd do in this forum. So WHY do you think any of your screaming,
foot stomping, profantities and insults will change anyone's mind,
Lennie...?!?!

You have to TRY and stop ####TING on people you don't
like. It isn't productive, it isn't civil, it isn't
according to The Amateur's Code.


YOY are the very epitome of "not productive", Lennie.

All you've done so far is to dig yourself deeper into
your original LIE. You have NO proof. You can't
supply ANY details. You have so many misunderstandings
about defense contracts and procedure that it shows you
are totally BOGUS in all that ####TING on others.


It's not bogus.

Call it whatever you want, Lennie. It doesn't change anything.

You are SICK.


Nope. I'm doing quite well, actually.

You have diss-temper. You need a vet...
a veterinarian...or something. GET HELP for yourself.


Take your own advice, Anderson. Before you lacerate your
fingertips banging on the keyboard like that......

Steve, K4YZ


bb April 16th 05 02:34 PM


K4YZ wrote:
wrote:


Amazing. After a total of six trips to NADC and a total
time there of about three months, this (fantasy) person
"knows" me? 34 years AFTER the fact?!?


Actaully at the time I found you out it was only 20-some years,
and no, he didn't "know" you off the top of his head. He did some
research, however, on contractors who had been there.


Inneresting. The difference between 34 years after the fact and 20
years is ~14 years. And Steve claims he hasn't been on RRAP even a
decade. So somehow, more than 4 years before Steve was on RRAP and
ever heard of Len, he was having a conversation with a former colleague
of Lens, discussing Len's performance reports.

"Captain, I find it Quiteillogical" Spock

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of Len's? Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies #16 and #17?


K4YZ April 16th 05 02:40 PM


bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of Len's? Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies #16 and

#17?

Neither, but nice try.

Now...what about those "unlicensed devices"...?!?!?

Steve, K4YZ


bb April 16th 05 08:40 PM


K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies #16 and

#17?

Neither, but nice try.


Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.


[email protected] April 16th 05 11:08 PM

From: "bb" on Sat,Apr 16 2005 6:34 am

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:


Amazing. After a total of six trips to NADC and a total
time there of about three months, this (fantasy) person
"knows" me? 34 years AFTER the fact?!?


Actaully at the time I found you out it was only 20-some years,
and no, he didn't "know" you off the top of his head. He did some
research, however, on contractors who had been there.


Inneresting. The difference between 34 years after the fact and 20
years is ~14 years. And Steve claims he hasn't been on RRAP even a
decade. So somehow, more than 4 years before Steve was on RRAP and
ever heard of Len, he was having a conversation with a former

colleague
of Lens, discussing Len's performance reports.

"Captain, I find it Quiteillogical" Spock

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of Len's? Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies #16 and

#17?

Psychotic Pstevie is doing a MARVELOUS job of back-
pedalling! :-) But...his LIE is still a LIE.

There were three contract numbers involved in SECANT.
I have the exact number on the first two generations;
I was at NADC on the first contract...representing RCA
Corporation, the REAL "contractor." Adminstratively
and for the purpose of my VISITING there, I was NOT
listed as "the" contractor. "Contractor personnel,"
perhaps...for the on-site security group (civilians
at NADC) and for the project reports, if then (I was
NOT listed as anything but one of the visitors in
the NADC report, a rather low-rank at that! :-)

Somewhere in the dusty archives of someplace MIGHT be
a few mentions of me 34 years ago signing for a
VISITOR badge plus a VISITOR parking placard for the
rented vehicle I had plus a sign-off on a two-page
standard form for VISITORS on-site. I could care
less, been there and done that at other sites. :-)
While VISITING there, I worked daily with only two
NADC engineers on a regular basis, maybe every two
days with the lead engineer, met the group leader a
couple times, the pilots of the test aircraft, and
the maintenance officer at the NAS. Pstevie thinks
I was "supposed" to do "stellar" things there, but
doesn't understand that I was simply a representative
of the contractor who knew the whole system under
test. There was no time or budget for a "technical
manual" (seldom is on an R&D program), just a tech
rep and a bunch of ozalid copies of schematics plus
a few photos of the system as set up. There wasn't
any chit-chatting "off-duty" nor was there any
"hoisting a few after hours." Neither did we "get
liberty" but were on our own recognizance as to
working hours. [must be amazing fact to a
conditioned military mindset like Pstevie's...:-) ]

Pstevie uses the word "colleague" as if I was working
for NADC. Was NOT the case. I tried to explain that,
but to no avail. :-) So..."performance reports" of
civilian contractor personnel are NOT done by
contractees. If they don't like a tech rep's
whatever, they can simply call up the contractor and
complain, probably have the tech rep replaced. Did
not happen with me...there were NO "reports" filed by
NADC as to behavior, demeanor, performance skills or
anything else except for a brief mention of my name
in an NADC internal project report.

So...not only is Pstevie all forked up on his
arithmetic but he don't know fecal matter from shoe
polish on how contracts with civilian firms are
handled...he doesn't really know much about anything
what happened across the street from the NAS.

As to REAL arithmetic on his LYING, it's hard to pin
that down. Most of his blabbering on personal
attacks after the first one is simply attempts at
rationalizing (badly) on his original LIE. Tsk.




bb April 17th 05 02:01 AM


wrote:

As to REAL arithmetic on his LYING, it's hard to pin
that down. Most of his blabbering on personal
attacks after the first one is simply attempts at
rationalizing (badly) on his original LIE. Tsk.



That appears to be the story of his life; lying and rationalizing his
lies.


K4YZ April 17th 05 04:21 AM


bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies #16

and
#17?

Neither, but nice try.


Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.


Well well...Looks like I made an error in math. My bust.

Lennie's ex-colleague is stil in PA and still remains anonymous,
however. As for your allegeations of lies 1-17, Brian, you still have
yet to document a single one.

Now...About those unlicensed devices...?

About your Somalia "operation"...?

About your assertions about how poor ARES is...?

About that "worked DXCC from HL and KH"...?

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ April 17th 05 04:30 AM


wrote:

Psychotic Pstevie is doing a MARVELOUS job of back-
pedalling! But...his LIE is still a LIE.


No backpedalling.

There were three contract numbers involved in SECANT....(SNIP of

ususal trying to hide under the blustery rhetoric)

So...not only is Pstevie all forked up on his
arithmetic but he don't know fecal matter from shoe
polish on how contracts with civilian firms are
handled...he doesn't really know much about anything
what happened across the street from the NAS.


You keep trying to redirect to "contracts", Lennie.

Your work at NADC was not up to what they wanted. Period.

As to REAL arithmetic on his LYING, it's hard to pin
that down. Most of his blabbering on personal
attacks after the first one is simply attempts at
rationalizing (badly) on his original LIE. Tsk.


Still waiting for you to enlighten us as to what the "original
lie" was, Lennie.





Steve, K4YZ


bb April 17th 05 02:02 PM


K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of

Len's?
Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies #16

and
#17?

Neither, but nice try.


Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.


Well well...Looks like I made an error in math. My bust.


Well, well...it took you Quitesometime to fess up.

Now where is Len's apology?


K4YZ April 17th 05 02:10 PM


bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of

Len's?
Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies

#16
and
#17?

Neither, but nice try.

Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.


Well well...Looks like I made an error in math. My bust.


Well, well...it took you Quitesometime to fess up.

Now where is Len's apology?


Right behind HIS apology to this NG for years of lying, accusing,
deceiving and antagonism, Brian...Right behind!

Just hold your breath and wait!

Steve, K4YZ


bb April 17th 05 04:28 PM


K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of

Len's?
Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies

#16
and
#17?

Neither, but nice try.

Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.

Well well...Looks like I made an error in math. My bust.


Well, well...it took you Quitesometime to fess up.

Now where is Len's apology?


Right behind HIS apology to this NG for years of lying, accusing,
deceiving and antagonism, Brian...Right behind!

Just hold your breath and wait!

Steve, K4YZ


Well, well. So much for your "strength of conviction."

You won't do what you know to be right because someone else isn't doing
what you know to be right. I'm just glad the world isn't full of
people like you. Actually, I thank my lucky stars every night that the
world isn't full of people like you.


K4YZ April 17th 05 04:40 PM


bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague

of
Len's?
Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually

lies
#16
and
#17?

Neither, but nice try.

Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.

Well well...Looks like I made an error in math. My bust.

Well, well...it took you Quitesometime to fess up.

Now where is Len's apology?


Right behind HIS apology to this NG for years of lying,

accusing,
deceiving and antagonism, Brian...Right behind!

Just hold your breath and wait!

Steve, K4YZ


Well, well. So much for your "strength of conviction."


Lennie is YEARS BEHIND coming clean on his errors, lies and
deceit, Brian... Y E A R S ! ! ! !

You won't do what you know to be right because someone else isn't

doing
what you know to be right.


I AM, repeat AM doing "what's right".

You and Leonard are lairs, Brian. You don't tell the truth. YOU
make glaring errors, and then when I make a simple one, all of a sudden
you think your slates are wiped clean.

Sorry...Doesn't work that way.

I already count two acknowledgements of errors I have made this
week.

I haven't seen a single one from you acknowledging your ARES
errors alone...

I'm just glad the world isn't full of
people like you. Actually, I thank my lucky stars every night that

the
world isn't full of people like you.


As well you should. It's got to be embarrassing getting your nose
rubbd in all the errors YOU make by just little ole me...You'd not
withstand more than one.

Here's your sign, Brian LOSER

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] April 17th 05 07:16 PM

From: "bb" on Sun,Apr 17 2005 6:02 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague of

Len's? Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually lies #16

and #17?

Neither, but nice try.

Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.


Well well...Looks like I made an error in math. My bust.


Well, well...it took you Quitesometime to fess up.

Now where is Len's apology?


Psycho Pstevie doesn't issue apologies.

The reason is simple: This "witness" (or "reference" or
whatever) does NOT exist. It's not possible for anyone
to "apologize" for someone that doesn't exist. Ergo,
Psycho Pstevie "does not need" to apologize.

You have to approach this denizen of Pstevieland as
you would a cryptologic attack. Work the puzzle and
try to think in terms of those who REFUSE to yield
to ANYONE. With years and years of experience (several
reading this newsgroup is more than adequate), it
becomes easier to do, but less easier to take. Toss
out logic, use great heaping shovelfulls of their
ego, pride, and sociopathy and it becomes clearer.

Pstevie IMAGINES this individual "exists" and,
furthermore, INSISTS he (or she) "knows all about
me through 'reports'" all of which don't exist.
By Pstevie "logic" all of it is "correct" even
though:

1. There's no evidence.

2. It's all hearsay, mostly hearing from one of
Pstevie's voices in his head talking to him.

3. He has "made promises to not reveal the identity."
THAT is the top-notch rationalization...used often
on computer-modem communications yet is totally
WORTHLESS in reality from the following:

A. It relies on some curious "honesty" and
"loyalty" factor which is supposed to be
followed by all newsgroup communicators
in which Pstevie self-describes himself
as "honest, loyal, trustworthy," etc.,
etc., etc. which has been shown to be
bunkum.

B. A non-existant person cannot be evidenciary
of anything but extreme imagination on the
part of the imaginator. No one else can
disprove something that doesn't exist but
the imaginator cannot prove the imaginary
to actually exist.

C. The excuse of existance is that the
imaginator expresses "outrage" that
anyone could imagine him telling a "lie."
He HAS told a LIE to begin with, so all
the following rationalization is nothing
but MORE LIES.

D. During the rationalization posting, the
imaginator will MISDIRECT the thread
hoping to take viewers' minds off his own
lies and put some blame on the person of
the challenger. That's a common ploy in
computer-modem communications, been around
since before BBSs on the old ARPANET. It
serves no argument but does take some of
the heat away from the lying imaginator.
AKA "smoke-screening" in trying to mask
any challenge to the LIE.

4. There can be an endless recursion back to (3)
depending on the intensity of the psychosis of
the LIAR. They profess "being wounded" by a
challenge and must "avenge" such "personal
insult" (of being called a liar in the first
place) by more and more and more misdirection
and outright name-calling against challengers.

Some years ago (about 1986 give or take) I logged
into a Bulletin Board System that specialized in
all sorts of paranormal subject, conspiracy theories
and "majic" (apparently a modern version of magic).
This was out of curiosity on how people behaved
when they thought they couldn't be found out. On
the subject that "The U.S. Air Force Academy in
Colorado teaches the existance of extra-terrestrial
beings and has textbooks on the subject," a person
made what I consider to be the ultimate
rationalization for the lack of evidence of that:

"After it was found out, the Air Force removed and
destroyed all the textbooks. Of course you can't
find any evidence of such books, they were all
confiscated and destroyed, but they did exist!"

So, despite NO evidence remaining, the claimant
remained adamant that such books DID exist. No one
can disprove it. But, given in such "outrage" of
being challenged (misdirection ploy), readers of
the message got an impression that they did. The
claimant could NOT prove his case no matter how he
tried...had to resort to emotional excuses and his
alleged "honesty" (claimant had not gone to the
USAF Academy but "knew someone who did").

The analogy applies directly to Robeson's claim of
having a "trustworthy reference" to my character
(as it was 34 years ago). He cannot prove this
"reference" exists yet demands he be "believed."
No one else can check up on this because nothing
but vague generalities about this invisible man
are presented.

This "fitrep" report-writer is either a LIE or he
might be some alien being from outer space. We
don't know about the latter so the former must be
a better bet. Psycho Pstevie told a LIE and just
tried to cover it up...again and again and again.
A clear and open role-model for today's Amateur
Extra class amateur radio licensee?

:-)




K4YZ April 17th 05 11:20 PM


wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,Apr 17 2005 6:02 am


Now where is Len's apology?


Psycho Pstevie doesn't issue apologies.


Lennie...Why do you insist on lying so blatantly? This week alone
has seen me do it...And ask Hans. Or Cecil...

The reason is simple: This "witness" (or "reference" or
whatever) does NOT exist.


Been there...done that...same old dodge, Lennie...

Huge snip of Lennie trying to dodge behind even more irrelevent
story-telling and make believe:

This "fitrep" report-writer is either a LIE or he
might be some alien being from outer space.


Now we know where Lennie's been spending his time....The "SciFi
Channel". Will probably go off on some "X-Files" spin-off of his own.

We don't know about the latter so the former must be
a better bet. Psycho Pstevie told a LIE and just
tried to cover it up...again and again and again.
A clear and open role-model for today's Amateur
Extra class amateur radio licensee?


Nope.

Just keeping the annoying little fact that not everybody that
worked with you liked you, as hard as I know you find that to be...

:-)


You should try sincerity once in a while, Lennie...Like when you
tell people you're going to do something...do it.

And if you have skeletons in your closet, keep your mouth shut.





Steve, K4YZ


bb April 18th 05 12:37 AM


K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So, is lie #16 the conversation with a former colleague

of
Len's?
Or
is lie #16 Steve's tenure on RRAP? Or is it actually

lies
#16
and
#17?

Neither, but nice try.

Steve, you lied. The only question is which time?

The conversation with a former colleague of Len's?

The length of tenure on RRAP?

Or both.

Fess up.

Well well...Looks like I made an error in math. My

bust.

Well, well...it took you Quitesometime to fess up.

Now where is Len's apology?

Right behind HIS apology to this NG for years of lying,

accusing,
deceiving and antagonism, Brian...Right behind!

Just hold your breath and wait!

Steve, K4YZ


Well, well. So much for your "strength of conviction."


Lennie is YEARS BEHIND coming clean on his errors, lies and
deceit, Brian... Y E A R S ! ! ! !


The old, "two wrongs makes a right" defense.

You won't do what you know to be right because someone else isn't

doing
what you know to be right.


I AM, repeat AM doing "what's right".


Repeating something doesn't make it any more true or false. But in
this case, it makes lies #19 and #20.

You and Leonard are lairs, Brian. You don't tell the truth. YOU
make glaring errors, and then when I make a simple one, all of a

sudden
you think your slates are wiped clean.


Lessee? 30 hours before Len makes an appearance in one of your
demented threads, you're chiding him for disapproving of what you said.
Then you have a conversation with a claimed colleague of Len's years
and years before you ever heard of Len. Both cases were smear
campaigns against Len, and you say you make simple errors???

Sorry...Doesn't work that way.


That's right Steve, it doesn't work that way. What you said was an
outright lie.

I already count two acknowledgements of errors I have made this
week.


Errors? Simple mistakes? Nobody thinks that, not even you.

I haven't seen a single one from you acknowledging your ARES
errors alone...


There's a profound reason that you haven't seen such an acknowledgement
from me...

I made no error. You fudged the entire exercise (lied) so that you
could "prove" me wrong, but nobody's buying it. You chalked up quite a
few lies in that little fiasco. Quit before you reach the point of no
return.

I'm just glad the world isn't full of
people like you. Actually, I thank my lucky stars every night that

the
world isn't full of people like you.


As well you should.


And I do.

It's got to be embarrassing getting your nose
rubbd in all the errors YOU make by just little ole me...You'd not
withstand more than one.


#21.

Here's your sign, Brian LOSER


#22.

Steve, K4YZ


Hey, you finally told a truth. See? You are capable of it.


bb April 18th 05 12:43 AM


K4YZ wrote:

And if you have skeletons in your closet, keep your mouth shut.

Steve, K4YZ


Must be why Robeson clammed up about the seven hostile actions.


K4YZ April 18th 05 11:21 AM


bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:


Lennie is YEARS BEHIND coming clean on his errors, lies and
deceit, Brian... Y E A R S ! ! ! !


The old, "two wrongs makes a right" defense.


Other than getting my math wrong, there was no "wrong" commited,
Brain...And certainly not one that rates an "apology" to Lennie.

You won't do what you know to be right because someone else isn't

doing
what you know to be right.


I AM, repeat AM doing "what's right".


Repeating something doesn't make it any more true or false. But in
this case, it makes lies #19 and #20.


STILL WAITING on you to produce some validation of your claims on
1 through 18, Brain.

You've not documented a one of them.

You and Leonard are lairs, Brian. You don't tell the truth.

YOU
make glaring errors, and then when I make a simple one, all of a

sudden
you think your slates are wiped clean.


Lessee? 30 hours before Len makes an appearance in one of your
demented threads, you're chiding him for disapproving of what you

said.
Then you have a conversation with a claimed colleague of Len's years
and years before you ever heard of Len. Both cases were smear
campaigns against Len, and you say you make simple errors???


A N D Y O U A R E S T I L L R E F U S I N G to read what
was said in the first place, Brian.

There's a lot of things I can help with, Brian, but arrogant isn't
one of them.

Sorry...Doesn't work that way.


That's right Steve, it doesn't work that way. What you said was an
outright lie.


Nope. Never was.

The O R I G I N A L comments addressed Lennie's history of doing
EXACTLY what I said then....

I already count two acknowledgements of errors I have made

this
week.


Errors? Simple mistakes? Nobody thinks that, not even you.


Sure I do.

And Brain P Burke STILL has not acknowledged his errors about
ARES. Very clearly documented. Very clearly DISproven with MULTIPLE
news releases.

I haven't seen a single one from you acknowledging your ARES
errors alone...


There's a profound reason that you haven't seen such an

acknowledgement
from me...

I made no error. You fudged the entire exercise (lied) so that you
could "prove" me wrong, but nobody's buying it. You chalked up quite

a
few lies in that little fiasco. Quit before you reach the point of

no
return.


You say "no one", Brain, but so far YOU are the only one trying to
make a point about it.

And you DID make an error. You've made NUMEROUS errors, yet
refuse to acknowledge a one of them despite reams of documentation that
PROVE you to be in error.

I'm just glad the world isn't full of
people like you. Actually, I thank my lucky stars every night

that
the
world isn't full of people like you.


As well you should.


And I do.


Good. It's your FIRST wise move.

It's got to be embarrassing getting your nose
rubbd in all the errors YOU make by just little ole me...You'd not
withstand more than one.


#21.


Where's 1 through 20?

Here's your sign, Brian LOSER


#22.


Where's 1 through 21?

Steve, K4YZ


Hey, you finally told a truth. See? You are capable of it.


So far I'd say I am ahead of you about 100 to 1 without fear of
contradiction. 10,000 to 1 if you count your refusal to sign your name
to your posts in an attempt to hide your identity.

Steve, K4YZ


Paul W. Schleck April 18th 05 08:32 PM

In . com writes:

*snip!*

Paul Schleck (the extra who "signs" those welcome
e-mails to new names in the newsgroup) is apparently
long gone on some sabbatical or whatever. He doesn't
answer any e-mails...at least to the web address on
those "canned" welcome messages. ???


I prefer to read widely, but post judiciously, and only when I have
something original to say.

I always respond to replies to my welcome message. In fact, the text of
the message itself invites such replies:

'The author welcomes any and all constructive feedback. Please direct
all such feedback to
and retain the original subject
(e.g., " WELCOME to rec.radio.amateur.*") in your reply.'

Just this month, I received and replied to messages from three
correspondents about the welcome message. Most repliers express
confusion over getting the message, as they didn't realize that they
followed up to an article cross-posted to many newsgroups.

I invite anyone who didn't get a reply to try again, and post any bounce
messages received. Failing that, if the reply isn't too personal,
please post it here or on *.misc, and I will try to follow up with a
considered reply.

The last time someone complained about bounces (someone named Andreas
"Tekman"), it was due to a SPAM blacklist filtering out their message at
the ISP level because they were posting from a site identified as a
significant source of SPAM. His degree of good faith and sincerity in
the matter (his followup posts included several schoolyard taunts and a
death threat) was also strongly in question.

Len, if it was you that tried to reply, and didn't get an answer, does
that mean that you now wish to have an E-mail conversion on newsgroup
subjects? Your last message to me, on January 27th, 2004, said in no
uncertain terms that you did not.

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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bb April 19th 05 01:53 AM


K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:


Lennie is YEARS BEHIND coming clean on his errors, lies and
deceit, Brian... Y E A R S ! ! ! !


The old, "two wrongs makes a right" defense.


Other than getting my math wrong, there was no "wrong" commited,
Brain...And certainly not one that rates an "apology" to Lennie.


Two seperate lies in two seperate threads? I'd say that makes you
wrong!

You won't do what you know to be right because someone else

isn't
doing
what you know to be right.

I AM, repeat AM doing "what's right".


Repeating something doesn't make it any more true or false. But in
this case, it makes lies #19 and #20.


STILL WAITING on you to produce some validation of your claims

on
1 through 18, Brain.

You've not documented a one of them.


You've got them archived in Google.

You and Leonard are lairs, Brian. You don't tell the truth.

YOU
make glaring errors, and then when I make a simple one, all of a

sudden
you think your slates are wiped clean.


Lessee? 30 hours before Len makes an appearance in one of your
demented threads, you're chiding him for disapproving of what you

said.
Then you have a conversation with a claimed colleague of Len's

years
and years before you ever heard of Len. Both cases were smear
campaigns against Len, and you say you make simple errors???


A N D Y O U A R E S T I L L R E F U S I N G to read

what
was said in the first place, Brian.

There's a lot of things I can help with, Brian, but arrogant

isn't
one of them.


That's why I've repeatedly asked you to seek professional help. You're
not enough to solve your own problems.

Sorry...Doesn't work that way.


That's right Steve, it doesn't work that way. What you said was an
outright lie.


Nope. Never was.

The O R I G I N A L comments addressed Lennie's history of

doing
EXACTLY what I said then....


I am PRESENTLY addressing your history of doing EXACTLY what you accuse
Len of doing.

I already count two acknowledgements of errors I have made

this
week.


Errors? Simple mistakes? Nobody thinks that, not even you.


Sure I do.


Self-deceit is easily accomplished when you have problems such as you
have. Again, I recommend professional help.

And Brain P Burke STILL has not acknowledged his errors about
ARES. Very clearly documented. Very clearly DISproven with MULTIPLE
news releases.


The only thing clearly documented is your inability to accept that the
available resources were inadequate to cover the designed capability of
the volunteer group. You manipulated the exercise to have the outcome
that you desired. Unfortunately for you, I saw through the gaping
holes instantly.

I haven't seen a single one from you acknowledging your ARES
errors alone...


There's a profound reason that you haven't seen such an

acknowledgement
from me...

I made no error. You fudged the entire exercise (lied) so that you
could "prove" me wrong, but nobody's buying it. You chalked up

quite
a
few lies in that little fiasco. Quit before you reach the point of

no
return.


You say "no one", Brain, but so far YOU are the only one trying

to
make a point about it.


I don't mind.

And you DID make an error. You've made NUMEROUS errors, yet
refuse to acknowledge a one of them despite reams of documentation

that
PROVE you to be in error.


So you say. Oh, well.

Meanwhile, I pointed out PRECISELY where you fudged the exercise in an
attempt to gain the desired outcome. Hi!

I'm just glad the world isn't full of
people like you. Actually, I thank my lucky stars every night

that
the
world isn't full of people like you.

As well you should.


And I do.


Good. It's your FIRST wise move.


Nonsense statement.

It's got to be embarrassing getting your nose
rubbd in all the errors YOU make by just little ole me...You'd

not
withstand more than one.


#21.


Where's 1 through 20?


In the past two weeks, #s 1 through 20 precede #21.

Here's your sign, Brian LOSER


#22.


Where's 1 through 21?

Steve, K4YZ


Hey, you finally told a truth. See? You are capable of it.


So far I'd say I am ahead of you about 100 to 1 without fear of
contradiction.


Sure, if you lie about it!

10,000 to 1 if you count your refusal to sign your name
to your posts in an attempt to hide your identity.


That's #23. Hi!


[email protected] April 19th 05 03:46 AM

From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon,Apr 18 2005 12:32 pm

In .com
writes:


Paul Schleck (the extra who "signs" those welcome
e-mails to new names in the newsgroup) is apparently
long gone on some sabbatical or whatever. He doesn't
answer any e-mails...at least to the web address on
those "canned" welcome messages. ???


I prefer to read widely, but post judiciously, and only when I have
something original to say.


Wise procedure from one who is not quite a moderator here.

However, those replies SEEM to begin as a result of
automatic comparison against a list of those who had
previously been sent such messages. That is based on
my use of the IEEE address instead of the AOL one (AOL
has dropped access to newsgroups) when using Google.

I always respond to replies to my welcome message. In fact, the text

of
the message itself invites such replies:

'The author welcomes any and all constructive feedback. Please direct


all such feedback to and retain the original

subject
(e.g., " WELCOME to rec.radio.amateur.*") in your reply.'


I have NO problems with that. Please do not assume I do.

Automatically-generated messages are very common on the
Internet.

The last time someone complained about bounces (someone named Andreas
"Tekman"), it was due to a SPAM blacklist filtering out their message

at
the ISP level because they were posting from a site identified as a
significant source of SPAM.


I am NOT that person, have NO complaints about that in
this thread or any other.

Len, if it was you that tried to reply, and didn't get an answer, does


that mean that you now wish to have an E-mail conversion on newsgroup
subjects? Your last message to me, on January 27th, 2004, said in no
uncertain terms that you did not.


I am NOT interested in discussing any "policy matter" on
amateur radio with anyone who is biased, coarse, cannot
accept any viewpoint different from their own, or who
becomes petulant and abusive when "not accepted," nor
anyone who attempts to command anything when NOT in any
position of authority to force such commands.

If this PUBLIC venue is insufficient to "discuss"
matters about Rec.radio.amateur.policy, then it is
not productive to consider that private correspondence
is also "useful." I've received quite enough of those
in the past. I've received some angry, petulant
responses while engaged in Instant Messaging with my
wife who was visiting up north while our niece was
undergoing a risky corrective operation. I had neglected
to set my AOL blocking controls fully and now have to
allow only certain screen names through. I have
received a couple of telephone messages from irate
individuals. That was during a trip, were duly
recorded along with their desitination number, all
forwarded to telephone company security people and
the LAPD Stalking unit (LAPD does not consider ANY
form of stalking as minor or trivial). Neither do I
live in any form of "fear" of anything...it is tiring
to see so many wanting to "fight" via messages as if
they could "accomplish" anything that way.

27 Jan 04 was nearly 15 months ago. That is VERY late
to assume any sort of "remedial action from authority"
communications. However, anyone is still "free" to
send me any sort of e-mail. I have the perfect
freedom to ignore such or to respond in any way I
choose. I have not sent any messages to you since
27 Jan 04.

If you have ANY complaints about my personal e-mails
then you can either exercise your newsgroup authority
by stating so plainly in private e-mail. That should
be clear enough...




K4YZ April 19th 05 12:31 PM


wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon,Apr 18 2005 12:32

pm

In .com
writes:


Paul Schleck (the extra who "signs" those welcome
e-mails to new names in the newsgroup) is apparently
long gone on some sabbatical or whatever. He doesn't
answer any e-mails...at least to the web address on
those "canned" welcome messages. ???


I prefer to read widely, but post judiciously, and only when I have
something original to say.


Wise procedure from one who is not quite a moderator here.


...from one who THINKS he's a moderator here!

Len, if it was you that tried to reply, and didn't get an answer,

does
that mean that you now wish to have an E-mail conversion on

newsgroup
subjects? Your last message to me, on January 27th, 2004, said in

no
uncertain terms that you did not.


I am NOT interested in discussing any "policy matter" on
amateur radio with anyone who is biased, coarse, cannot
accept any viewpoint different from their own, or who
becomes petulant and abusive when "not accepted," nor
anyone who attempts to command anything when NOT in any
position of authority to force such commands.


Gee, Lennie...ONCE AGAIN you have DESCRIBED YOURSELF to the
LETTER!

If this PUBLIC venue is insufficient to "discuss"
matters about Rec.radio.amateur.policy, then it is
not productive to consider that private correspondence
is also "useful." I've received quite enough of those
in the past. I've received some angry, petulant
responses while engaged in Instant Messaging with my
wife who was visiting up north while our niece was
undergoing a risky corrective operation.


BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie, you still trying to pass off that old story...?!?!

Losing your touch, are you...?!?! Can't maage to rip off a few new
ones...?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
! ! ! !

I had neglected
to set my AOL blocking controls fully and now have to
allow only certain screen names through. I have
received a couple of telephone messages from irate
individuals. That was during a trip, were duly
recorded along with their desitination number, all
forwarded to telephone company security people and
the LAPD Stalking unit (LAPD does not consider ANY
form of stalking as minor or trivial). Neither do I
live in any form of "fear" of anything...it is tiring
to see so many wanting to "fight" via messages as if
they could "accomplish" anything that way.


Sheesh, Lennie! Re-vamping the "victim" role, eh? Taking a page
from Mark Morgan...?!?!?!

27 Jan 04 was nearly 15 months ago. That is VERY late
to assume any sort of "remedial action from authority"
communications. However, anyone is still "free" to
send me any sort of e-mail. I have the perfect
freedom to ignore such or to respond in any way I
choose. I have not sent any messages to you since
27 Jan 04.

If you have ANY complaints about my personal e-mails
then you can either exercise your newsgroup authority
by stating so plainly in private e-mail. That should
be clear enough...


Why, Lennie?

You never thought twice about violating people's private e mail
with inappropriate traffic before...I have absolutely no doubt that you
probably did Paul's, too!

Steve, K4YZ


Paul W. Schleck April 19th 05 06:40 PM

In . com writes:

From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon,Apr 18 2005 12:32 pm


In .com
writes:



Paul Schleck (the extra who "signs" those welcome
e-mails to new names in the newsgroup) is apparently
long gone on some sabbatical or whatever. He doesn't
answer any e-mails...at least to the web address on
those "canned" welcome messages. ???


I prefer to read widely, but post judiciously, and only when I have
something original to say.


Wise procedure from one who is not quite a moderator here.


What an obviously self-evident thing to say. I would also post
judiciously about military matters, not being a General, about legal
matters, not being a member of the bar, and about technical matters, not
being a P.E. or PhD.

However, those replies SEEM to begin as a result of
automatic comparison against a list of those who had
previously been sent such messages. That is based on
my use of the IEEE address instead of the AOL one (AOL
has dropped access to newsgroups) when using Google.


Yes, you described how the setup works fairly accurately. The Perl
script that is used can only distinguish users by E-mail address. If
you post from a different E-mail address, that it hasn't seen before,
you will get the welcome message. It's an admitted technical
limitation, but one that is probably not easily overcome, and doesn't
seem to bother most people too much.

I always respond to replies to my welcome message. In fact, the text

of
the message itself invites such replies:

'The author welcomes any and all constructive feedback. Please direct


all such feedback to and retain the original

subject
(e.g., " WELCOME to rec.radio.amateur.*") in your reply.'


I have NO problems with that. Please do not assume I do.


I didn't. I followed up to rebut your fairly plain statement above that
'He doesn't answer any e-mails...at least to the web address on those
"canned" welcome messages.' Please don't assume that because I haven't
posted recently, that I am not reading, or not in positive control of
the welcome message service, or that I wouldn't respond to any E-mail
replies.

Automatically-generated messages are very common on the
Internet.


The last time someone complained about bounces (someone named Andreas
"Tekman"), it was due to a SPAM blacklist filtering out their message

at
the ISP level because they were posting from a site identified as a
significant source of SPAM.


I am NOT that person, have NO complaints about that in
this thread or any other.


I did wonder, however, on what basis you were making the statement about
me not replying. Was it based on personal experience, as I asked below:

Len, if it was you that tried to reply, and didn't get an answer, does


or was it based on hearsay that you read on the newsgroups? The only
hearsay I can recall is that of Andreas "Tekman," and I explained in my
previously reply that his assertions are contradicted by evidence, and
his behavior on the matter calls his reliability into question.

Since I have successfully rebutted your assertion (or hypothesis, or
assumption, or whatever) that I do not respond to E-mail, would you now
be willing to do the honorable thing, and retract your original
statement? I really don't care very much either way, but I, and others,
would recognize such a retraction as honorable.

that mean that you now wish to have an E-mail conversion on newsgroup
subjects? Your last message to me, on January 27th, 2004, said in no
uncertain terms that you did not.


I am NOT interested in discussing any "policy matter" on
amateur radio with anyone who is biased, coarse, cannot
accept any viewpoint different from their own, or who
becomes petulant and abusive when "not accepted," nor
anyone who attempts to command anything when NOT in any
position of authority to force such commands.


I don't see how that describes me. Even you have described my E-mail
communications to you as suggestions or advice.

If this PUBLIC venue is insufficient to "discuss"
matters about Rec.radio.amateur.policy, then it is
not productive to consider that private correspondence
is also "useful." I've received quite enough of those
in the past. I've received some angry, petulant
responses while engaged in Instant Messaging with my
wife who was visiting up north while our niece was
undergoing a risky corrective operation. I had neglected
to set my AOL blocking controls fully and now have to
allow only certain screen names through. I have
received a couple of telephone messages from irate
individuals. That was during a trip, were duly
recorded along with their desitination number, all
forwarded to telephone company security people and
the LAPD Stalking unit (LAPD does not consider ANY
form of stalking as minor or trivial). Neither do I
live in any form of "fear" of anything...it is tiring
to see so many wanting to "fight" via messages as if
they could "accomplish" anything that way.


That wasn't me. Just give your consent, and I can make public (on a web
page, no need to annoy the newsgroup), our entire E-mail conversation
and allow others to judge its content.

27 Jan 04 was nearly 15 months ago. That is VERY late
to assume any sort of "remedial action from authority"
communications. However, anyone is still "free" to
send me any sort of e-mail. I have the perfect
freedom to ignore such or to respond in any way I
choose. I have not sent any messages to you since
27 Jan 04.


Nor have I to you, except for the automated welcome message. Did you
wish to reply to my welcome message, did you have any questions about
how it works and why you got the message, or did you want to resume
having an E-mail conversation about other newsgroup subjects?

If you have ANY complaints about my personal e-mails
then you can either exercise your newsgroup authority
by stating so plainly in private e-mail. That should
be clear enough...


I have no rank, commission, or authority here, as you take pains to
point out (except maybe as a peer-recognized "authority" on Usenet
history, as well as on posting practices that have proven over time to
foster effective communications, as opposed to non-productive
arguments).



--
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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