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April 13th 05, 12:20 AM
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April 13th 05, 01:02 AM
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From: N2EY on Apr 12, 4:20 pm
wrote: Lest WE forget..."N2EY" NEVER served in ANY war in ANY military. How do you know for sure, Len? Besides - what does it matter? You want to get all emotional and teary on World War II? Tsk. Go talk to a REAL WW2 veteran. Better yet, visit a VA hospital and keep some of them company. Remember that WW2 ENDED BEFORE you were born. And, you've NEVER served in any military. Yet you make this BIG THING about morse code in a window display...could it be that you just don't give a damn about WW2 and only want to make a big emotional showing for morse? I've seen how you talk to those who *have* served in the US military, and for various departments of the US government. I haven't dissed Bill Sohl about his USN service. I haven't dissed Brian Burke about his USAF service. I HAVE dissed those that want to LIE about their big heroic military "actions" such as Stebie the wonder murine about his famous "seven hostile actions" and his failure to acknowledge that the DoD really does direct MARS. Am I supposed to "respect" the infamous Kolonel Klunk about his very NON-SPECIFIC "service" in Vietnam? Just because he brags without revealing any details? Just because he was in the State Department? Of course I "should." All those infamous types are pro-coders and YOU love morse code, so much so that you think ham radio is all about morse- manship...and MUST connect morse code to some kind of imaginary "gallantry in the service." :-) If the person disagrees with you on almost any issue, you treat them *and their service* with little or no respect at all. Tsk, tsk. Better contact the Department of the Army of the United States and DEMAND my Good Conduct medal be given up and sent back! :-) You make fun of them and their service for no apparent reason other than a failed attempt at what you consider "humor". Tsk, tsk, tsk. Those "veterans" (at least one with "seven hostile actions") have all been about as disrespectful to me FIRST. They got what is known as "return fire." Poor things. Thought they could pull a snow job on everyone else and make themselves real "big" in others' eyes. They should have stayed down at the Legion Hall bar. Except it isn't funny. Not to you. But, you've NOT served in the military. Your body too precious to get it harmed in REAL service for your country? Couldn't get a dinner date with the Captain because the King of the Katapults was already booked on that aircraft carrier? Let's all stand up and salute this brave "member of the service." There you go again! So typical. I served. YOU did NOT. You want to see more of what I did in ARMY service? OK, go to http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history/equipment and drop down to "Stations." Once you've downloaded at least one, we MIGHT have a chat...but then you have this terrible habit of wanting to message on everything at long length. Wastes my time. |
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April 13th 05, 04:00 AM
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wrote:
From: N2EY on Apr 12, 4:20 pm wrote: Lest WE forget..."N2EY" NEVER served in ANY war in ANY military. How do you know for sure, Len? You don't know for sure, do you, Len? Besides - what does it matter? You want to get all emotional and teary on World War II? "You cannot answer a question with another question" You own words, Len. What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Tsk. Go talk to a REAL WW2 veteran. I've done that - many times. From several branches of the US military. Better yet, visit a VA hospital and keep some of them company. That's a good idea! Remember that WW2 ENDED BEFORE you were born. Why is that of any significance? If anything, it is more important that those of us who weren't alive then keep the history alive. I live just up the hill from Valley Forge, where Washington's army survived a terrible winter. Also down the pike from where the Paoli Massacre took place. That war ended long before *you* were born, Len. And, you've NEVER served in any military. How do you know for sure? And what does it matter anyway? Yet you make this BIG THING about morse code in a window display... Is it wrong to mention an interesting architectural feature? Does it bother you, Len? Here's a hint: The Canadian military forces used Morse Code in WW2. could it be that you just don't give a damn about WW2 and only want to make a big emotional showing for morse? Nope - not at all. I find the history of WW2 to be very interesting. I think it's important to understand that war, both how it got started and the aftermath, to understand current history. And technology. For example, the very first high-speed, general purpose, digital electronic computer, ENIAC, was developed and built right here in Philadelphia - in the basement of the building where I went to EE school. I've actually seen and handled pieces of it, read the original papers in the library there. It was built to compute artillery aiming tables for the US Army, and was used for ten years at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. There's also an unconfirmed story that it was used for atom bomb calculations. Or let's talk about the lessons to be learned from the US Navy Mark XIV submarine torpedo, and its problems. Perhaps the proximity fuse is more to your liking. Incredible device, made with tubes originally meant for hearing aids. I could go on about the political and economic effects, but since this is a radio newsgroup I thought I'd stick to electronic and radio subjects. If I did talk about any military service I had, you would be certain to make fun of it. It's just what you do, Len. So typical. I've seen how you talk to those who *have* served in the US military, and for various departments of the US government. I haven't dissed Bill Sohl about his USN service. Because he doesn't disagree with you about Morse Code testing in amateur radio. In fact, he pretty much ignores you. I haven't dissed Brian Burke about his USAF service. Because he doesn't disagree with you about Morse Code testing in amateur radio. In fact, he pretty much idolizes you. It's only those who disagree with you about Morse Code testing that get your disrespect, abuse, name calling, and general jackass behavior. I HAVE dissed those that want to LIE about their big heroic military "actions" such as Stebie the wonder murine There you go - calling names. So typical. about his famous "seven hostile actions" Do you know what they are? Where *you* involved in any of them? Is there any reason to doubt that Steve, K4YZ, was involved if he says he was? and his failure to acknowledge that the DoD really does direct MARS. I see. His mistake somehow justifies *your* behavior? Am I supposed to "respect" the infamous Kolonel Klunk There you go again - calling names. Godwin invoked. You lose. Why not use the person's name and callsign? about his very NON-SPECIFIC "service" in Vietnam? Just because he brags without revealing any details? What difference would details make? Your behavior when details are given doesn't change. In fact, you simply use the details as a source of more insults. OTOH, Brian, N0IMD, refuses to give any details about his claimed amateur radio operation from Somalia, but that doesn't bother you a bit. Just because he was in the State Department? Do you mean Dave, K8MN, who served in the US State Department at a number of foreign posts as a communications officer? His service to our country was much longer than your, Len, and in many more foreign countries. I recall when he was transferred to right around the same time the US Embassy in the country he was transferring to was bombed. We didn't hear from him for weeks. Luckily he was OK. Yet you argued with him at length about communications facilities that he used - even though you've never worked for the State Department. Of course I "should." Yes, you should. Perhaps you have forgotten the US Coast Guard radio operator who used to post here? You made fun of his service in that capacity, in your now-famous "sphincter post". Why? All those infamous types are pro-coders and YOU love morse code, so much so that you think ham radio is all about morse- manship... Len - lest we forget - you're not a radio amateur. You've never been a radio amateur. Yet you see fit to tell all how amateur radio should be. You're not and never have been part of the FCC, either. and MUST connect morse code to some kind of imaginary "gallantry in the service." :-) All I did was mention a museum and some windows. That really seems to bother you. Too bad - the fact is, the Canadian armed forces used Morse Code in WW2. Deal with it, Len. If the person disagrees with you on almost any issue, you treat them *and their service* with little or no respect at all. Tsk, tsk. Better contact the Department of the Army of the United States and DEMAND my Good Conduct medal be given up and sent back! :-) I don't demand anything like that, Len. You make fun of them and their service for no apparent reason other than a failed attempt at what you consider "humor". Tsk, tsk, tsk. Those "veterans" (at least one with "seven hostile actions") have all been about as disrespectful to me FIRST. No, they haven't. At least not to anyone rational. You apparently see any disagreement with your cherished beliefs about Morse Code testing in amateur radio as "disrespect", and then proceed in your completely predictable manner. They got what is known as "return fire." For saying good things about Morse Code, apparently. Poor things. Thought they could pull a snow job on everyone else and make themselves real "big" in others' eyes. They should have stayed down at the Legion Hall bar. You mean like somebody who tells us the same story, over and over and over and over again, about his service at a big radio facility 50+ years ago? Then gets mad because people point out his underestimation of distances, and mistakes about Soviet aircraft deployment dates? Except it isn't funny. Not to you. But, you've NOT served in the military. How do you know for sure? Do *you* think it's funny, Len? Why? Those whom you make fun of don't seem to be amused. Besides, the point is that you make fun of the military service of those who disagree with you about Morse code testing in amateur radio. Even though you're not an amateur radio operator, never have been, and probably never will be. Your body too precious to get it harmed in REAL service for your country? Why, no, Len. I don't think that at all. Never have. Is military service the only REAL service, Len? I guess all those police officers, firefighters, EMTs, and other uniformed people who go in harm's way don't count, do they? How about the utility workers who keep the lights on and the water flowing? Or the highway, airline, transit, railroad and maritime workers who keep transportation running? Or health care workers, exposed to who-knows-what every day on the job? Guess they don't count either - to you. Couldn't get a dinner date with the Captain because the King of the Katapults was already booked on that aircraft carrier? More name calling - so typical of you. Let's all stand up and salute this brave "member of the service." There you go again! So typical. I served. YOU did NOT. How does that give you the right to insult others' service? You want to see more of what I did in ARMY service? No. You've told us over and over and over again. That's enough. |
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April 13th 05, 05:31 AM
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April 13th 05, 07:26 AM
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From: Dave Heil on Apr 12, 9:31 pm
wrote: wrote: From: N2EY on Apr 12, 4:20 pm wrote: Does it bother you, Len? You read his lengthy post and saw the style he used. You bet it bothered him. NAH. I did it. Jimmie didn't do it. To be fair, Len has exhibited jackass behavior toward K0HB and Hans does not support retention of morse code testing. Tsk. Everyone who disagrees with Davie is guilty of "jackass behavior?" :-) Riiiight...only ARRL-speak and the beauty, nobility, and grandeur of morsemanship is spoken in here...:-) about his famous "seven hostile actions" Do you know what they are? Where *you* involved in any of them? He doesn't have any idea what they were. It kills him. NAH. It only shows what a snow-jobbing laid-off murine does under the guise of a U.S. AMATEUR radio extra callsign. Tosses brags like they were bagels. To my knowledge, Steve has never stated that DOD does not direct MARS. His claim is that if there were no radio amateurs, there'd have been no MARS program. In that, he is correct. Bull****. The United States ARMY started MARS...but under a different name before WW2. Tsk. Davie ought to read up on the subject...lots of references. MARS always was and remains a MILITARY radio system. A small one, about as effective as having special services put on shows and entertainment. Morale boosting thing. That's pretty much why I've left details out. As with Steve's military service, Len doesn't know what I did or where I did it and it kills him. No problem with me. If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that. ...and Len has invariably demeaned that service. He has always known more about my job that I did. Foreign service tours were dismissed as tropical backwaters, places of insignificance and Cashew capitals. Awwwww...you doing a Rodney Dangerfield? Get no "respect?" :-) Don't leave out his attempts at insult by stating that my name never appeared in any lists of embassy staff. That blew up in his face when I produced a couple of urls in which I was listed. Len's response was to dismiss the lists as some sort of telephone directory. Tsk. Sounds like you are bucking for an Intelligence Star. Couldn't you get a sponsor at the NSA to award you one? Because Len is all about Len. That isn't the important part though. The important part is where Len's sphincter post speaks of what it is like to be in battle. Len was never in battle. Only ONE very brief exchange of gunfire. Doesn't count as a "battle," though. Big Hero Dave...tell us all YOUR "battle experience." Were you behind the Viet Cong lines sending intel to HQ via CW? As far as I'm concerned, amateur radio is about operating any mode I choose on any band I choose. Len isn't involved on any level. Everyone NOT licensed in amateur radio "isn't involved." :-) The point is that some MIGHT want to GET INTO amateur radio. Dave loses his perspective on that. [age causing loss of sight...among other things...] Davie ought to get with Paul Schleck pronto and have EVERYONE without a valid amateur radio license TOSSED OFF this newsgroup! Make it "safe" for the double- standard elitist PCTA EXTRAs to use as their personal chat room and blog... :-) Len knows more about what others did than those involved. Nope. But...I DO recognize a bull**** artist from a long distance. Davie be one of those... Len knows more about the military. I know enough to meet THIS level of homo saps. :-) Been IN the Army...had lots of contact with Army as a civilian after service time done. Len knows more about communications. Tsk. I know some about that. Been IN that as a civilian. :-) Len knows more about radio operation. Tsk. I know HOW they work and the protocols needed in some radio services. You have a need of info on those radio services, big honcho? Len knows more about the U.S. Department of State. I do? Oh, my, aren't you stepping off into denied territory! :-) Len knows more about your work. Tsk. Jimmie "works in the transportation field" according to one Comment in the ECFS. Other than that, Jimmie do NOT say squat. He afraid others find out? Len knows more about Brian Kelly's work. I do? Oh, my. News to me. Isn't Kellie retired? Len knows more about Steve's work. Tsk. Stevie follows REAL DOCTORS' orders...which includes staying OUT of the Sharps box. :-) Whatever Len did at ADA more than a half century ago impacts amateur radio not in the least. Riiiiight old-timer. Ham radio NEVER operated on HF, did it? :-) Len tells it because he wants to be sure that everyone knows of it. You betcha! :-) The U.S. military did NOT use morse code in long-distance fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century ago and still don't. Tsk. Some of you olde-tyme hammes need to get your noses out of old WW2 surplus radio books and inspect the rest of the radio world. How does it give him the right to insult those who never served? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Those with SUCH thin skin should NOT be ANYWHERE on the Internet!!!! :-) Now you've done it, Jim. You've denigrated a veteran. Jimmie (and Davie...and Stevie...and every other elitist double-standard PCTA EXTRA) will, without doubt, insult ANYONE they care to. It's in the fine print of their ham privileges as super-dooper under-the-dashboard douche bag guar-un-teed morsemanship EXTRA AMATEURS!!!! |
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April 13th 05, 08:31 AM
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wrote: From: Dave Heil on Apr 12, 9:31 pm about his famous "seven hostile actions" Do you know what they are? Where *you* involved in any of them? He doesn't have any idea what they were. It kills him. NAH. It only shows what a snow-jobbing laid-off murine does under the guise of a U.S. AMATEUR radio extra callsign. Tosses brags like they were bagels. Who's "snow-jobbing"...??? Who's "laid off"...??? How can one toss an intangible...??? To my knowledge, Steve has never stated that DOD does not direct MARS. His claim is that if there were no radio amateurs, there'd have been no MARS program. In that, he is correct. Bull####. There's the definitive, "professional" response. The United States ARMY started MARS...but under a different name before WW2. Tsk. Davie ought to read up on the subject...lots of references. It doesn't matter if it was started by the Hand of God himself, Lennie. No Radio Amateurs = No MARS...Army, Air Force, OR NAVMARCORPS. MARS always was and remains a MILITARY radio system. A small one, about as effective as having special services put on shows and entertainment. Morale boosting thing. Your limited scope of experience and practice is showing, Lennie. That's pretty much why I've left details out. As with Steve's military service, Len doesn't know what I did or where I did it and it kills him. No problem with me. If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that. As opposed to YOUR making up details, Lennie? I am not as predisposed to being a braggart about my military service. There's no need to. Guys who make a point of sticking the minute details of what they allegedly did in the Armed Forces usually prove out to be the rear area radio clerks, etc. ...and Len has invariably demeaned that service. He has always known more about my job that I did. Foreign service tours were dismissed as tropical backwaters, places of insignificance and Cashew capitals. Awwwww...you doing a Rodney Dangerfield? Get no "respect?" Please specify there part wherein you feel Dave has misrepresented YOUR representations of his duties, Lennie. I say he's spot-on. Don't leave out his attempts at insult by stating that my name never appeared in any lists of embassy staff. That blew up in his face when I produced a couple of urls in which I was listed. Len's response was to dismiss the lists as some sort of telephone directory. Tsk. Sounds like you are bucking for an Intelligence Star. Couldn't you get a sponsor at the NSA to award you one? Dave produces evidence of his claims of service. You produce excuses. Because Len is all about Len. That isn't the important part though. The important part is where Len's sphincter post speaks of what it is like to be in battle. Len was never in battle. Only ONE very brief exchange of gunfire. Doesn't count as a "battle," though. Tripping and accidentally discharging your weapon is NOT an "exchange of gunfire". Big Hero Dave...tell us all YOUR "battle experience." Please, Lennie...P L E A S E retell the tale of YOUR service under the threat ot the Soviet Bear...And then again your emotional outburst about how somone else doesn't know what it's like to be under incomming artillery fire..as if YOU had been at Khe San or Chosin Resivoir! ! ! ! Len knows more about what others did than those involved. Nope. But...I DO recognize a bull@@@@ artist from a long distance. Davie be one of those... No, he's not. But you sure do "bare the scars" of one. Len knows more about the military. I know enough to meet THIS level of homo saps. How? So far, other than reciting the hearldry of the one unit you were in in 1953, you haven't gotten a single thing about anyone else's service right yet! Been IN the Army... Yeah. When Dwight D Eisenhower was President. ....had lots of contact with Army as a civilian after service time done. Too bad you didn't learn anything about the Army after that. Len knows more about communications. Tsk. I know some about that. Been IN that as a civilian. Not very successful though. Muddled through to retirement. No real accomplishments other than having had the good sense to invest wisely for your leisure years...Of couse at least ONE of your "employers" reports that you were rather leisurely WHILE you were in their "employ". Len knows more about radio operation. Tsk. I know HOW they work and the protocols needed in some radio services. You have a need of info on those radio services, big honcho? You know jack squat about "radio operation", Lennie. You know a lot of theory...but squat about how they are used. Len knows more about the U.S. Department of State. I do? Oh, my, aren't you stepping off into denied territory! But it's true. You've tried to nip at Dave's heels for years but still can't seem to land a good bite in there... Due primarily to your lack of knowledge and experience in such issues. I've not found a single bit of fault in anything Dave has commented on herein...However YOU ahve been caught with your britches down on numerous occassions. Whatever Len did at ADA more than a half century ago impacts amateur radio not in the least. Riiiiight old-timer. Ham radio NEVER operated on HF, did it? Neither did you, according to your MOS's, Lennie...Oh, I have no doubt that in the process of performing your radio mechanic duties that you caused some RF to eminate on HF, but you were NEVER an HF operator. Len tells it because he wants to be sure that everyone knows of it. You betcha! Now if it were only true..... How does it give him the right to insult those who never served? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Those with SUCH thin skin should NOT be ANYWHERE on the Internet!!! I love it... Lennie wrapping himself in patriotic bunting...as he claims others do...Of course when HE does it it's "OK". Now you've done it, Jim. You've denigrated a veteran. Jimmie (and Davie...and Stevie...and every other elitist double-standard PCTA EXTRA) will, without doubt, insult ANYONE they care to. It's in the fine print of their ham privileges as super-dooper under-the-dashboard douche bag guar-un-teed morsemanship EXTRA AMATEURS!!!! There's a "douche bag" in this forum, Lennie, but he doesn't have an Amateur Radio license of ANY class. Steve, K4YZ |
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April 16th 05, 04:44 PM
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April 16th 05, 11:25 PM
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From: on Sat,Apr 16 2005 8:44 am
wrote: From: Dave Heil on Apr 12, 9:31 pm It only shows what a snow-jobbing laid-off murine does under the guise of a U.S. AMATEUR radio extra callsign. Tosses brags like they were bagels. What brags, Len? Look at American foreign policy since the end of the USA's involvement in Vietnam. Plenty of "hostile actions" for active-duty, career military personnel to be a part of in a variety of roles. And that's just the "hostile actions" we civilians know about. How does that tie in with the use of morse code in museum windows? Oh, yes, Jimmie Noserve KNOWS all about "hostile actions." Sure...READING about them, WATCHING movies and TV. Wow! To my knowledge, Steve has never stated that DOD does not direct MARS. His claim is that if there were no radio amateurs, there'd have been no MARS program. In that, he is correct. Bull****. Well, you're certainly the authority on *that* subject, Len! ;-) I know TRUTH as opposed to snow-job braggadoccio. Psycho Pstevie is an "extra class" snow-jobber. And, mister wizard, you REWROTE what Robeson wrote. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio." In NO way did Pstevie write what YOU say he wrote. In NO way did Pstevie's single sentence say what you IMPLY it did. He is NOT "correct." MARS always was and remains a MILITARY radio system. But most of the participants aren't in the military. How do YOU know? Are you now working for the Army MARS Hq at Fort Huachuca? Or any of the other service branch MARS Headquarters? Didn't you READ the DoD directive visible to anyone on the given link? Haw, that's funny. Len, you pretty much come unglued at the slightest opposition to your cherished statements, or when someone refuses to feed your insult machine. "Insult machine?" Jimmie Noserve wants the exclusive use of that "machine?" Oh, yes, that ties right in with a Canadian museum having morse code in its window...sure... If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that. Then you must think that Brian Burke, N0IMD-allegedly-/T5, "ain't done it", because he won't give any details about his amateur radio operation in Somalia. Then you must be as nuts as Psycho Pstevie. Tsk. Pstevie pervertedly pejorated hisself at least a couple orders of magnitude with his alleged "poor repfit" of NADC on my visit there 34 years ago...and is still trying (vainly) to rationalize his LIE as some kind of "truth." I'm just showing what a damn LIAR he is. But, Pstevie is your BUDDIE and therefore can do NO wrong. He is PCTA extra Double Standard class and can therefore say ANYTHING he wants in your complete approval. Orwell did a good job describing the subjective reality mindset in his classic "1984". You remind me of "Big Brother", Len, in the way you want to rewrite history to fit your mindset. Pizz off, sweetie. You are going hot and heavy into this personal insult thing and Brian Burke is NOT a part of it. If a person does something, they've done it whether they talk about it or not. Or whether you believe it or not. Simple as that. Tsk. Turn your phrase around. If a person TALKS about something, that isn't "proof" that they've DONE it. :-) Psycho Pstevie still hasn't come up with a SINGLE detail of "proof" on his insult of my "fitrep" at NADC. And if K4YZ really did participate in seven hostile actions, then it happened regardless of whether details are given or not. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUTH? :-) You've NEVER served OR done any "hostile actions" other than petty intellectual arguments on Internet. No, Len, that's not true. FCC is involved - but you're not FCC. James P. Miccolis is NOT FCC. :-) Amateur radio manufacturers are involved - but you're not one of them, either. James P. Miccolis is NOT a "manufacturer of radios." You're not involved. OH! "Not involved!!!" The U.S. Government gives me the RIGHT to vote, on anything up for a vote! I am NOT "involved in government" yet I can vote on government officials! [really!] I am NOT "involved" in any of the proposals to be voted on yet I can VOTE on them! Wow! I'm "not involved" in so many things!!!! BULL****, sweetums. The FCC determines who gets a radio license and sets the standards. The ARRL does NOT. Jimmie Noserve does NOT. Davie Heil does NOT. The "ham community" does NOT. It's the FCC, sweetie. [and that's the absolute truth...pbthththt] The "F" in FCC stands for "Federal." That means that ANYONE can make themselves and their opinions known to them (see the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution). The FCC does NOT limit itself to amateur regulation input SOLELY from amateurs. It isn't an exclusive clubhouse...even though you try to convey that idea. Who? Not you, of course. You're not involved. What? Paradoxical. According to that, one can't get INTO amateur radio WITHOUT being "involved," BUT...to BE "involved" one has to ALREADY be IN amateur radio. Tsk. If you don't like paradoxes, all you are doing is trying to make it all into a private clubhouse. Sorry, the Communications Act of 1934 took that away when the FCC was created to regulate ALL civil radio in the USA. ALL, Jimmie. Len knows more about radio operation. Tsk. I know HOW they work and the protocols needed in some radio services. But not amateur radio. Not Morse Code. Your knowledge is all theory, no practice, when it comes to amateur radio. Sidewalk superintendent stuff. All hat and no cattle, all talk and no action. Okay, so you DON'T think that amateur radio works by the same principles of physics as all other radio services. Electrons, fields, and waves all work in in an "amateur fashion" if you have an AMATEUR radio license! An AMATEUR radio "won't work" unless it has a valid, certificated amateur radio operator operating it? Wow. Learn something every day. Well, no sweat. Someone who doesn't KNOW the "ham way" should be FIRED, right? Give up their ham job? Be prosecuted if they don't behave according to YOUR set of regulations? Sweetie, I've designed and built those "sidewalks," and the "buildings" they are in front of, done the "civil engineering" testing on those "buildings" to make sure they are in-spec. Let your aphorisms fly where they may Luke Skysulker, "may the aphorism be with you!" You did some articles for a now-long-defunct New England-based ham radio magazine 22+ years ago. None of them were about building or operating an amateur radio station. Poor baby. Still sulking about NOT getting published in anything but "Electric Radio?" :-) Still ****ed because I was an Associate Editor there, and so listed on their masthead? Awwww...the opportunity could have been YOURS, sweetie. Better luck, next time. Other than that, Jimmie do NOT say squat. He afraid others find out? Why no, Len. I'm not "afraid" of others finding out. I just choose not to give out that information. Can't blame you. :-) Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, Len? Where there RADIO issues proposed by the candidates then? I watched the debates on TV rather than listening to the radio. Fill me in. HOW is such information REQUIRED to discuss amateur radio regulations and how to get INTO amateur radio by licensing? WHO did you VOTE for in Canada on their last election? Are you "afraid" to say? :-) The U.S. military did NOT use morse code in long-distance fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century ago and still don't. Even if that's true - what does it matter to amateur radio policy? Sorry, Jimmie, under YOUR "rules," if I SAID it, then it must be true! :-) Actually, it IS true, but YOU are AFRAID to find out. The fantasy that the rest of the radio world "still uses morse code" is way too strong a mental narcotic for you. You can't go cold turkey. Amateur radio isn't the US military. MARS is military. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-) Amateur radio is NOT Private Land Mobile Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Mass Media Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Maritime Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Aviation Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Personal Radio Service. Etc. Tsk. Some of you olde-tyme hammes need to get your noses out of old WW2 surplus radio books and inspect the rest of the radio world. Is that an order? Are you afraid to take orders? Is that why you never volunteered for military service? :-) Why should what other radio services do be more important to amateur radio policy than what hams do? Why should amateur radio policy be dictated SOLELY by already-licensed radio amateurs? That's in direct VIOLATION of both the 1st Amendment and the Communications Act of 1934. I see. Well, Len, you have the thinnest skin of all those here, because you get insulted by *any* opposition.. What "opposition?" :-) There's Jimmie Noserve who likes to make out that he KNOWS ALL about the military...but never served. There's a psycho-sick whacko inventing "fitreps" about me that never happened... There's a few more and have been lots more. Not a problem. Lots of you knowitalls and control freaks on the Internet who "get off" on being "superior" on their screens. Tsk. Been that way since computer-modem communications got going over three decades ago. :-) Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, Len? Maybe I've forgotten! :-) What Prime Minister candidate did you vote for in Canada, Jimmie? What military did you serve in up in Canada, Jimmie? Did you do any morse code in their military? Were you in any Canadian "hostile actions?" Or did you forget? How did the Morse-o-Meal taste this morning? [have some crow for supper...] Bye... :-) |
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wrote: wrote: From: N2EY on Apr 12, 4:20 pm wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Tsk. Go talk to a REAL WW2 veteran. I've done that - many times. From several branches of the US military. It would have difficult to grow up in the times we did and not encounter larges numbers of World War II vets. My dad was a U.S. Navy veteran of the Normandy Invasion. A great-uncle was at Bataan. He survived the Death March and was held by the Japanese until the end of the war. I've known many, many WW2 veterans. Many I got to know quite well. Some didn't want to talk, others had lots to say. Just for starters, I know/knew a B-24 navigator who bombed Japan (gave me some of his maps), a USN submarine torpedoman, a USN radioman (gave me some of his books - he also served in the Korean War) and a B-24 pilot who bombed Ploesti three times and spent 18 months as "a guest of the Luftwaffe". I don't think the latter would find Len's "Kolonel Klunk" insults to be very funny. Better yet, visit a VA hospital and keep some of them company. That's a good idea! It is a great idea but it isn't necessary to visit just a VA hospital. I can visit any number here who live quietly with spouses, who are living alone as widowers or who are in nursing homes. Remember that WW2 ENDED BEFORE you were born. Why is that of any significance? If anything, it is more important that those of us who weren't alive then keep the history alive. I live just up the hill from Valley Forge, where Washington's army survived a terrible winter. Also down the pike from where the Paoli Massacre took place. That war ended long before *you* were born, Len. You don't quite have the hang of it, Jim. I'd have used, "That war ended LONG BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, Len". Oh yes. And, you've NEVER served in any military. How do you know for sure? And what does it matter anyway? Notice how Len avoids direct questions? Yet you make this BIG THING about morse code in a window display... Is it wrong to mention an interesting architectural feature? I read your post and looked in vain for the portion in which you made it a BIG THING. It's not a big thing - except to Len. Does it bother you, Len? You read his lengthy post and saw the style he used. You bet it bothered him. Here's a hint: The Canadian military forces used Morse Code in WW2. If I did talk about any military service I had, you would be certain to make fun of it. It's just what you do, Len. So typical. I've seen how you talk to those who *have* served in the US military, and for various departments of the US government. I haven't dissed Bill Sohl about his USN service. Because he doesn't disagree with you about Morse Code testing in amateur radio. In fact, he pretty much ignores you. I haven't dissed Brian Burke about his USAF service. Because he doesn't disagree with you about Morse Code testing in amateur radio. In fact, he pretty much idolizes you. It's only those who disagree with you about Morse Code testing that get your disrespect, abuse, name calling, and general jackass behavior. To be fair, Len has exhibited jackass behavior toward K0HB and Hans does not support retention of morse code testing. Then I guess what bothers Len is when someone says anyhting good about Morse Code. I HAVE dissed those that want to LIE about their big heroic military "actions" such as Stebie the wonder murine There you go - calling names. So typical. ...and utterly predictable. about his famous "seven hostile actions" Do you know what they are? Where *you* involved in any of them? He doesn't have any idea what they were. It kills him. Sure seems to. Is there any reason to doubt that Steve, K4YZ, was involved if he says he was? and his failure to acknowledge that the DoD really does direct MARS. I see. His mistake somehow justifies *your* behavior? To my knowledge, Steve has never stated that DOD does not direct MARS. His claim is that if there were no radio amateurs, there'd have been no MARS program. In that, he is correct. Am I supposed to "respect" the infamous Kolonel Klunk There you go again - calling names. Did you really expect otherwise? No. Utterly predictable. Godwin invoked. You lose. Why not use the person's name and callsign? about his very NON-SPECIFIC "service" in Vietnam? Just because he brags without revealing any details? What difference would details make? Your behavior when details are given doesn't change. In fact, you simply use the details as a source of more insults. That's pretty much why I've left details out. As with Steve's military service, Len doesn't know what I did or where I did it and it kills him. The important fact is that no matter what you actually did, Len would dismiss it. We've seen that over and over and over. That's why I don't mention my employment. Len would simply make fun of it. OTOH, Brian, N0IMD, refuses to give any details about his claimed amateur radio operation from Somalia, but that doesn't bother you a bit. Isn't this about the point at which Leonard or Brian would begin some litany about a double standard? Well, they should know ;-) Just because he was in the State Department? Do you mean Dave, K8MN, who served in the US State Department at a number of foreign posts as a communications officer? His service to our country was much longer than your, Len, and in many more foreign countries. ...and Len has invariably demeaned that service. He has always known more about my job that I did. Foreign service tours were dismissed as tropical backwaters, places of insignificance and Cashew capitals. It wouldn't matter where you were or what you did, Len would demean and insult your service. I recall when he was transferred to right around the same time the US Embassy in the country he was transferring to was bombed. We didn't hear from him for weeks. Luckily he was OK. Luckily, he was on holiday between the assignments and was comfy right here in West Virginia when the news broke. I arrived in Tanzania three weeks after the embassy bombing. The embassy was in ruins. Operations were carried out from a residence for six months while a new temporary embassy was constructed. It was my busiest assignment. I doubt the bombers waited for you to leave when scheduling their attack. Yet you argued with him at length about communications facilities that he used - even though you've never worked for the State Department. Don't leave out his attempts at insult by stating that my name never appeared in any lists of embassy staff. That blew up in his face when I produced a couple of urls in which I was listed. Len's response was to dismiss the lists as some sort of telephone directory. Oh yes - I do recall that now. Of course I "should." Yes, you should. Perhaps you have forgotten the US Coast Guard radio operator who used to post here? You made fun of his service in that capacity, in your now-famous "sphincter post". Why? Because Len is all about Len. That isn't the important part though. The important part is where Len's sphincter post speaks of what it is like to be in battle. Len was never in battle. I think the important part is that Len demeaned and insulted the services of a skilled military radio operator, for no good reason at all. That behavior speaks volumes. All those infamous types are pro-coders and YOU love morse code, so much so that you think ham radio is all about morse- manship... Len - lest we forget - you're not a radio amateur. You've never been a radio amateur. Yet you see fit to tell all how amateur radio should be. You're not and never have been part of the FCC, either. As far as I'm concerned, amateur radio is about operating any mode I choose on any band I choose. Len isn't involved on any level. That's right. If the person disagrees with you on almost any issue, you treat them *and their service* with little or no respect at all. Tsk, tsk. Better contact the Department of the Army of the United States and DEMAND my Good Conduct medal be given up and sent back! :-) I don't demand anything like that, Len. You make fun of them and their service for no apparent reason other than a failed attempt at what you consider "humor". Tsk, tsk, tsk. Those "veterans" (at least one with "seven hostile actions") have all been about as disrespectful to me FIRST. No, they haven't. At least not to anyone rational. No, they haven't. You apparently see any disagreement with your cherished beliefs about Morse Code testing in amateur radio as "disrespect", and then proceed in your completely predictable manner. They got what is known as "return fire." For saying good things about Morse Code, apparently. Poor things. Thought they could pull a snow job on everyone else and make themselves real "big" in others' eyes. They should have stayed down at the Legion Hall bar. Len knows more about what others did than those involved. Len knows more about the military. Len knows more about communications. Len knows more about radio operation. Len knows more about the U.S. Department of State. Len knows more about your work. Len knows more about Brian Kelly's work. Len knows more about Steve's work. Len doesn't know anything about my work. He could not do my job. That *really* bothers him. You mean like somebody who tells us the same story, over and over and over and over again, about his service at a big radio facility 50+ years ago? Then gets mad because people point out his underestimation of distances, and mistakes about Soviet aircraft deployment dates? Whatever Len did at ADA more than a half century ago impacts amateur radio not in the least. Len tells it because he wants to be sure that everyone knows of it. Except it isn't funny. Not to you. But, you've NOT served in the military. How do you know for sure? Do *you* think it's funny, Len? Why? Those whom you make fun of don't seem to be amused. Besides, the point is that you make fun of the military service of those who disagree with you about Morse code testing in amateur radio. Even though you're not an amateur radio operator, never have been, and probably never will be. Your body too precious to get it harmed in REAL service for your country? Why, no, Len. I don't think that at all. Never have. Is military service the only REAL service, Len? I guess all those police officers, firefighters, EMTs, and other uniformed people who go in harm's way don't count, do they? How about the utility workers who keep the lights on and the water flowing? Or the highway, airline, transit, railroad and maritime workers who keep transportation running? Or health care workers, exposed to who-knows-what every day on the job? Guess they don't count either - to you. Couldn't get a dinner date with the Captain because the King of the Katapults was already booked on that aircraft carrier? More name calling - so typical of you. Let's all stand up and salute this brave "member of the service." There you go again! So typical. I served. YOU did NOT. How does that give you the right to insult others' service? How does it give him the right to insult those who never served? Good question! You want to see more of what I did in ARMY service? No. You've told us over and over and over again. That's enough. Now you've done it, Jim. You've denigrated a veteran. How? I simply don't want to read Len's story about ADA again. He's posted it here so many times I can recite it from memory. But he never explains why it has any bearing on amateur radio policy today. I don't want to read it again. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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