wrote in message
ups.com...

Sorry, can't think of any fancy names applied to
any of the land-based systems. :-) Guess it isn't
as romantic as what the Navy had with names like
ADONIS or JASON (if you like horror that one might
be considered "romantic" - :-] ).

Land based/sea based all have the same names. They were assigned by NSA (who
ultimately controls all US Government crypto systems), and were based on names
from Greek mythology, ie., ADONIS, BACCUS, JASON, NESTOR, ORESTES, PONTUS, etc.
By convention they are always written in "all caps".

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Phil Kane wrote:

As well as the NSA/USN brass who, when queried by the Israelis,
adamantly denied that the Liberty was a U S Naval vessel even after
being told that the vessel wiil be blown out of the water if it
wasn't a US Naval vessel.

Not even the Israelis (meaning the ACTUAL Israeli gov't) has ever made
such a claim.

The Israelis had every reason to believe
that the Egyptians or their mentors, the Soviets, would fly the US
flag to avoid destruction if they could get away with it.

Not even the Israelis (meaning the ACTUAL Israeli gov't) have ever made
such a claim at stated here.

And the NSA kept denying...

And the GOI has never made the above claim ...

Mike

Phil Kane wrote:

As well as the NSA/USN brass who, when queried by the Israelis,
adamantly denied that the Liberty was a U S Naval vessel even after
being told that the vessel wiil be blown out of the water if it
wasn't a US Naval vessel.

Not even the Israelis (meaning the ACTUAL Israeli gov't) has ever made
such a claim.

The Israelis had every reason to believe
that the Egyptians or their mentors, the Soviets, would fly the US
flag to avoid destruction if they could get away with it.

Not even the Israelis (meaning the ACTUAL Israeli gov't) have ever made
such a claim at stated here.

And the NSA kept denying...

And the GOI has never made the above claim ...

Mike

anon wrote:
"Phil Kane" wrote in message

YOU ARE A LIAR! You were not there. You have no information.
You are just repeating hearsay from some Jew. There are USS Liberty
survivors who have described what happened many times.

And what follows is suppose to be that? Try instead:

http://libertyincident.com/USNcourt.htm

for the complete record; or he

http://www.ussliberty.org/nci.txt

for just the sworn testimony transcript.

The Jews

You mean Israelis of course. Must be a "slip on the tongue"

NEVER queried the U.S for the identity of the Liberty, but the Jews
did
recon the Liberty for almost a day prior to the attack, during which
time
the
Liberty was flying an oversized American flag, a holiday ensign.

What BS, even Ennes doesn't make that claim about the size of the flag!

"Like any Navy ship, we flew our standard five-foot by eight-foot
American flag."

And of course there's mo

start
=EF=BB=BFLIBERTY flew a size 9 (approx 5 feet by 8 feet) U.S. ensign from h=
er
foremast throughout the morning of 8 June and until it was shot down by
the Israeli air attack. At least 5 minutes prior to the torpedo attack
a size 7 ensign (approx 7 feet by 13 feet) was hoisted at the main
yardarm.
end

That comes from direct, sworn testimony by Liberty crewmembers.

Do bone up on the FACTS ...

Remaining nonsense snipped ...

Mike

"Admiral Kidd declared emphatically that there was 'no hard U.S.
evidence ...
absolutely nothing to support the conclusion that the attack was
intentional.' He declined to elaborate."

Baltimore Evening Sun
September 26, 1982

twf wrote:
=EF=BB=BF "Phil Kane" wrote in message
snip

Jew hearsay. You were not there. The eyewitnesses on board
the USS Liberty were there, being attacked.

Ah, that only means that they were victims, not that they have any
special knowledge as claimed by the following myth.

Israeli high-command
ordered the attack, full well knowing they were attacking an
American ship in International waters. Liberty intercept operators
recorded Israel high command orders to attack the *American*
ship.

Wow! That's quite a piece of myth-saying; especially when, as a FACT,
there is:

start
Looking back on the Liberty incident, one perhaps should fault the
cryptologic organization for not assuring the presence on board of
qualified
Hebrew linguists for on-station examination of Israeli voice
communications uncovered in the intercept from the nonmorse search and
development mission and for not even having a token mission on Israeli
voice communications. It turned out that Hebrew language tapes produced
by USN-855 from the search and
development mission on the morning of 8 June did not contain
information on the forthcoming Israeli attack, but NSA did not learn
this until it had received these tapes and had processed them several
days after the event. For all NSA and USN-855 knew at the time,
information on Israeli intentions towards the ship might well have been
on those tapes.
end

Available to any SERIOUSLY INTERESTED individual at:

http://www.nsa.gov/liberty/index.cfm

all part of the NSA report on the incident.

U.S. submarines in the area filmed the entire deliberate attack.

Wow!! "They" did? Just which U.S. subs would that be? They have names
you know, and of course then there's the film ...

IOW, what a bucnh of ...

You are *still* a liar and you *still* don't have a clue as to what
you are
talking about.

That's not really a claim you should be stating about others, you
think? ...


www.ussliberty.org read it fool,

Read instead:

http://libertyincident.com/index.htm

you might learn the truth!

Yeah, the truth just might be at:

http://libertyincident.com/index.htm

Then read Jim Ennes's Book.

Nah, read instead:

http://libertyincident.com/book.htm

Ennes *does* know what he is
talking about, unlike you, because Ennes is a USS Liberty
survivor.

And yet Ennes would appear to have many, many problems with his story
telling:

http://members.aol.com/libertyincident/JExxindex.html

And how about some FACTS, instead of your lame retort
"I was there."

Yeah, how about some FACTS indeed.

Will you go toe to toe here with Liberty survivors, if I can get one
or more to come on board here?

toe-to-toe? Must be a new dance step ...

Mike

From the viewpoint of one who was on board the Liberty at the time of
the attack, your account
leaves little doubt that the attack was the result of a series of
confused decisions, made in a war
setting. Error seems to compound error both on the part of the Israelis
and the U.S. Perhaps your
account will lay to rest the many conspiracy theories which have
plagued us all these last 30 off
years.

Commander Maurice Bennett, USN (Ret.)
Former USS Liberty crewmember

http://libertyincident.com/

Mike

Oliver Kirby, a former deputy director of the National Security Agency
who took part in the investigation, said he needs more proof before he
can say that the attack was deliberate. The 83-year-old from
Greenville, Texas, said that he never understood the attack's intent.

AP reporter Jean Ortiz
Nebraska City, Neb., 5/22/2004 by-line

http://libertyincident.com/

Mike

The weight of the evidence is that the Israeli attacking force
originally believed their target was Egyptian.

The information thus far available does not reflect that the Israeli
high command made a premeditated attack on a ship known to be American.

Clark Clifford
Chairman, President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board

in his report to President Johnson
July 18, 1967

http://libertyincident.com/index.htm

Mike

Yesterday, an NSA spokesperson questioned a point made in the book
about the USS Liberty. "We do not comment on operational matters,
alleged or otherwise; however, Mr. Bamford's claim that the NSA
leadership was 'virtually unanimous in their belief that the attack was
deliberate' is simply not true," the spokesperson said.

Baltimore Sun
April 24, 2001
by Scott Shane and Tom Bowman

Mike