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rom: K4YZ on Jun 6, 3:00 am

Some of them were on the front pages...two weren't.

Ahhhh, wowee! "Secret ops!" [all very hush-hush]

I didn't say they were "secret ops", Lennie..You did.

I just said they weren't on the front pages.

Focus, Scumbag...Focus.

When is when I was still on Active Duty.

Which was when, 1974 to 1992?

The rest is "For Me To Know An You To Find Out"...

Ho ho ho. Mighty warrior making with grade-school taunts.

Nope...Just love rubbing your nose in it.

OKAY...let's got down the line in the Almanac and see what
those "front page" hostile actions we

1. The Vietanm War...was on-going in 1970 and ended 29 Apr 75
with the evacuation of all Americans from Siagon. And
then had a brief restart with the capture of the US
merchant ship Mayaguez. The USMC attacked a little island
in "response."

Nope.

Big snip of other actions.

I told you, Lennie...It's none of your business.

You want to claim I wasn't there and it's "just a brag"...Have
fun.

You'll be lying to everyone here AND yourself.

Also...get the details of the Mayaguez operation correct,
please...

The USMC provided ground troops on that mission...It was also
supported by the USAF and the US Navy.

The "USMC" attacked nothing...the United States did. The Armed
Forces, including the Marine Corps, ONLY move on the orders of the
CIVILIAN government that was put there by the electorate.

Saying "My opinion is..." is one thing. That's black and white.

Okay, now we understand...you no longer CLAIM "seven hostile
actions"...that is just YOUR OPINION.

Nope.

Okay...it's just your BRAG. There's not enough for "seven" in
that list of "front page" news.

No brag.

And you missed some events, Lennie.

Short on facts again.

Embarrassing, isn't it, Scumbag? All that knowledge at your
fingertips and still coming up short...?!?!

Were you shouldering your boresighted code key in your secret
ops you don't mention? Busy giving the "enemy" hell with your
morsemanship? Or weren't you simply doing REAR-AREA stuff and
polishing your own booties?

I didn't say they were "secret ops".

You did.

I said they weren't on the front page. Not every deployment
of the Armed Forces is a banner news item.

"Weekly evidence?" There are large-enough emergencies EVERY
WEEK in the USA that require amateur radio communications
assistance? [I don't think so...not even "almost"...]

Yep.

Weekly.

Tsk. You spelled "weakly" wrong twice.

Nope. Got it right. Nice try at diversion,
though...Cute..Timely...

Is it YOUR OPINION that you were an "Assistant" NCOIC at a
MARS station 24 years ago?

No.

It's a matter of RECORD that I was ANCOIC of the Okinawa
Islandwide MARS System in 1981. I was NCOIC of NNN0MOC/MOF during that
same time...

Tsk, tsk. All we readers get is a BROKEN RECORD in here,
unintelligible sound punctuated by cursing clicks.

Was that also a "secret ops" that you can't talk about?

I didn't say "secret ops", Lennie...YOU did.

I said it wasn't front page stuff.

Do you acknowledge that the U.S. military runs MARS or is it
still YOUR OPINION that "MARS IS amateur radio?"

It's always been my postition that MARS is run by DoD.

NOOOOOOO. You are ON RECORD - and in the archives of Google -
as having DENIED that. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You are lying, Lennie. Again.

It's ALSO been my position that my comments from the post you
continue to inaccurately paraphrase from were that the same spirit of
service that permeates Amateur Radio is part and parcel of the MARS
programs as they are almost completely fleshed out BY licensed,
civilian Amateur Radio operators.

"Completely?" Tsk, tsk. No again. MARS was originally begun
as a very small-scale (and low budget) ARMY project back in
1925...more for publicity for the Army than any real radio
improvement (Motorola did more of that in 1940 than any bunch
of amateur volunteers). USA and USAF combined that activity
after WW2 and gave it the name of MILITARY AFFILIATE Radio
System. USN-USMC were last to join MARS in the sixties.

"Motorola" as a company didn't exist until 1947, Lennie, so how
did THAT happen?

Until 1947 "Motorola" was a "model" of car radio.

(Damn...bet THAT stings.....)

If MARS is "completely fleshed out" by civilian volunteers, why
are there USA and USAF MARS MILITARY Headquarter installations
on MILITARY posts?

Lennie, if you're going to misquote me, it would behoove you to NOT
try and misquote me while simultaneously cut-and-pasting my exact words
from the previous post.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

No Army experiment in 1925 and there never would have been a
MARS. Sorry, you lost. MARS is NOT a player in any of the
worldwide U.S. military tactical communications networks.

It really is THAT simple.

The TRUTH is out there, but you keep retreating to your private
internal FANTASY. Tsk, tsk.

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and
lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be
pleased. Very pleased.

Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions?

Probably not. OK, I'll give some.

Scenario 7: You are heading to the "actionable area" to train USA
personnel at a RADAR site. The hills are painted green and have very
large numbers on them. You reach a checkpoint manned my Host Nation
Army. They point guns in your face and tell you "No." They apparently
have no other vocabularly.

Is that a hostile action?

Scenario 6: Same general area. You are deployed to an -exercise-
location. A round of artillery explodes about 200 meters away from
your tent.

Is that a hostile action?

Scenario 5: You are involved in on a meals on wheels operation. As
you travel through a primary city, you see a vehicle paralleling your
convoy, and it has it's 50 cal pointing directly at you.

Is that a hostile action?

Scenario 4: Same location. While "in-garrison" you receive fire from
a nearby building which overlooks the compound. The bullets go wide.

Is that a hostile action?

Scenario 3: Same location. It is New Year's Eve, Dec 31, 1992 and you
see rockets going back and forth outside your compound. Thirty cal
fire kicks up sand in front of you.

Is that a hostile action?

Scenario 2: Same location. Later in January, while moving toward the
just opened chow hall, it is hit by a single 30mm round.

Is that a hostile action?

And Secnario 1: Okinawa. The "A" NCOIC of a MARS shop gets short
sheeted by his troops because he doesn't know dink about comms.

Is that a hostile action?

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and
lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be
pleased. Very pleased.

What protesting?

Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions?

Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging
gunfire.

REAL gunfire...no BFA's.

Probably not. OK, I'll give some.

Cute. None of them correct.

Is that a hostile action?

I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you
in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian...

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and
lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be
pleased. Very pleased.

What protesting?

Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions?

Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging
gunfire.

REAL gunfire...no BFA's.

Probably not. OK, I'll give some.

Cute. None of them correct.

Is that a hostile action?

I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you
in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian...

Steve, K4YZ

I'm sure you wouldn't know either. Got any proof?

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and
lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be
pleased. Very pleased.

What protesting?

Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions?

Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging
gunfire.

REAL gunfire...no BFA's.

Probably not. OK, I'll give some.

Cute. None of them correct.

Is that a hostile action?

I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you
in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian...

Steve, K4YZ

I'm sure you wouldn't know either.

Then you'd be wrong. (As if THAT were new...)

Got any proof?

Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would
transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate
bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?)

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ" on Wed 8 Jun 2005 22:59


bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and
lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be
pleased. Very pleased.

What protesting?

"Protesting" that you are not honored and revered for your
mighty military missions, oh great warrior of the mouth.

:-)

Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions?

Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging
gunfire.

REAL gunfire...no BFA's.

Real KEYBOARDING, mighty warrior of the newsgroup.

NO EVIDENCE, no "real gunfire." :-)

Probably not. OK, I'll give some.

Cute. None of them correct.

Tsk, tsk, as "correct" as mighty Stebie's mouthing-off. :-)

Is that a hostile action?

I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you
in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian...

Poor Stebie, so full of himself he'd trip over a speed bump
in that parking lot, fa' down and hurt hisself. Waaa-waaaa!

;-)

Gotta love these wanna-be warriors, so full of STORIES of MIGHTY
WARRIOR ACTIONS! If any of it were true, the DoD budget would
have to be increased by several millions in order to buy all the
medals that should rightfully be awarded to these LAST ACTION
HEROES! Stebie gets CMH with oak leaf clusters!

Stebie is a FIGHT MANUFACTURER. Better than Don King (except for
the lack of hair). FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT !!! Stebie wanna BEAT UP
anyone daring to contradict him. MIghty WARrior of newsgroup!
Stebie MAKE UP ISSUES, call everybody wrong, snarl, POSTURE,
BRAG. No evidence. All mouthy keyboard. Hooray for ham radio,
last battlefield. Last battlefield for Mighty Warrior Stebie.

NO evidence seen by anyone anywhere of Mighty Warrior ACTIONS.

All mighty TEXT, words, brag words, threats of bodily harm to
unbelievers. Adulterated bull****. Not good fertilizer for
future flowering youth.

That's what his generation of AMATEUR RADIO is all about?

Haynie didn't include that with his speech. Tsk. Should have.

Maybe Stebie challenge Haynie with "parking lot battle" for
forgetting the mighty warrior (of no evidence)?

Modern AMATEUR RADIO, home of the MIGHTY WARRIORS OF KEYBOARDS.

Pbththththth.

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and
lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be
pleased. Very pleased.

What protesting?

Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions?

Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging
gunfire.

REAL gunfire...no BFA's.

Probably not. OK, I'll give some.

Cute. None of them correct.

Is that a hostile action?

I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you
in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian...

Steve, K4YZ

I'm sure you wouldn't know either.

Then you'd be wrong. (As if THAT were new...)

Got any proof?

Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would
transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate
bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?)

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to
harm me?

I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to
yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye.

From: bb on Jun 9, 6:07 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:


Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would
transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate
bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?)

Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to
harm me?

Stebie gonna wait after school's out, then beat you up!

Stebie FANTASY.

Gotta love these mighty macho morsemen wanting to commit
bodily harm on all who disagree with them. Infantile
idiots all of them.


I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to
yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye.

Stebie suffers from the bleeding disease. Everytime someone
disagrees with Stebie, Stebie gets blood in his eye.

Stebie very ANGRY. Stebie very HATEFUL. Stebie nuts.

Stebie nutcase not good for U.S. amateur radio role model.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know
anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated
programs.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and
lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be
pleased. Very pleased.

What protesting?

Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions?

Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging
gunfire.

REAL gunfire...no BFA's.

Probably not. OK, I'll give some.

Cute. None of them correct.

Is that a hostile action?

I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you
in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian...

Steve, K4YZ

I'm sure you wouldn't know either.

Then you'd be wrong. (As if THAT were new...)

Got any proof?

Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would
transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate
bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?)

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to
harm me?

Shall I sign you up for a remedial reading course, Brain?

I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to
yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye.

No...to YOU it meant getting sand in your eye. Being a
non-combatant your whole career, I am sure that some sand in your eyes
or chapped hands from too much White-Out fluid was "trauma".

Steve, K4YZ