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"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Mike Coslo" wrote Who do ya want - a impatient knob twiddler with a FTDX 9000 and an antenna farm of (insert your favorite antenna here), or a good capable contester with say a dipole and an IC-746. Your example is specious, Mike. Generally the contester who builds a competition grade station has also invested in building the skills and techniques to take advantage of the capabilities they have sought in their station design. 73, de Hans, K0HB It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends. Dan/W4NTI |
Michael Coslo wrote:
K=D8HB wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote The unskilled operators don't do very well even with an excellent setup= , and the skilled operators do well with a more mundane setup that the new or= less experienced have a lot of trouble with. This assertion is different from your original question which implied t= hat 100W/dipole stations are manned by better operators than "knob twiddler= s" found at better equipped stations. It was a question, Hans. Not an implication. It isn't an either or proposition either. I'd be purdy dum to think that those who have more mundane setups have better ops than those at the better stations. And I would still want to have that good op with a 100 watt station than the not so good op at the "contest station". Obviously the best setup is the good op at the good station. My assertion is that competition-grade STATIONS ("competition grade" does not mean "most expensive") are built and oper= ated by competition-grade radiomen. Witness K1TTT, KC1XX, W3LPL, W0AIH, N0AT, = K0KX, K3LR, W7RM, etc., etc. Of course. But this whole tangent of the thread was based on my assertion that between the good operator and the good equipment, your best to side with the good operator. Kinda like buying that huge Craftsman (or Snap-On or whatever) tool set and cabinet doesn't make you a master mechanic. However, many master mechanics have that same tool set. I look at it another way... The basic evaluation factor in contesting is "what are the limitations" - IOW, what limited/limits your score? Put up the classic "100W midrange HF transceiver and G5RV at 40 feet" station. Paper logs. If you sit an unskilled op in front of it during a major contest, the score will be mostly limited by the operator's skill, not the setup. Put a skilled op in the same seat, and the score will be mostly limited by the setup. The key to improvements is to identify what the limiting factors are, and how to deal with them. That's where SO2R came from in the first place. The top ops found that their scores were being limited by the choice between running contacts and grabbing multipliers. SO2R permits doing both at almost the same time. For an op capable of using such a setup well, it removes a limitation. To an op who is not so skilled, it won't make much difference. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dave Heil wrote: KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote Who do ya want - a impatient knob twiddler with a FTDX 9000 and an antenna farm of (insert your favorite antenna here), or a good capable contester with say a dipole and an IC-746. Your example is specious, Mike. Generally the contester who builds a competition grade station has also invested in building the skills and techniques to take advantage of the capabilities they have sought in their station design. 73, de Hans, K0HB Generally but not always, Hans. Here's an example: Joe Moneybags has always admired the photos which Hans Brakob takes. He notes that Hans always uses a top of the line Nikon. Joe sells his Canon and buys the expensive Nikon. His photos are still not up to the Brakob standard. Joe fails to realize that the skill of the photographer is more important than the price or model of the camera. You have to have seen something similar a dozen times in DXing or contesting. And that is my basic point. If people want to claim it is specious, then I guess they mean that the equipment is much more important than the operators skills. All you have to do is pump money into the contest station, and assuming you pump the most money into it, you will win. Sounds ridiculous to me. Perhaps my with my setup, I should just give up. I don't stand a chance of even doing well, much less winning, eh? Or perhaps a person can hone their skills using a modest setup, then move on to a hot station and start doing very well. I wonder how many Ops have started at the top? I think I'll buy an Indy car. If I buy the mostest expensivist one, I'll surely win all the races, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - Your on the right track Mike. Work on your skills. Best way to do that is to operate at a, shall we say, less than competitive setup. Makes you appreciate the improvements as they come. That is why the loss of the Novice license is such a disaster to Amateur Radio. We used to have to dig em out of the noise, hand on rx and follow them up/down the band. Not much for filters, just your ears and brain. But that's another subject. Dan/W4NTI |
wrote in message ups.com... I've had similar experiences on FD. Some folks think they're doing well to make QSOs on SSB at a certain rate with a beam and 100 W transceiver, with an op and a logger. Exhausted after an hour or two, they wander over to the CW tent and find me working them at 2, 3 or more times their rate, with a dipole, "old" transceiver, and no logger. The reactions when presented with a manual transmatch were priceless, too. 73 de Jim, N2EY Yeah it is. I was at a FD a few years back and I fired up the "bug". You should have seen their looks of amazement. Had em standing in line to ask me questions afterwards. Dan/W4nti |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dave" wrote wow, first in the list! now you are going to make my head swell. If you want to stay in that position, just don't snuggle up too close to my run QRG. BSEG 73, de Hans, K0HB Yeah....ole Hans likes the "slip and slide" technique. If he hears anyone getting too close for some reason his VFO tracks that way. Must be running a Kenwood. Just kidding Hans. Dan/W4NTI |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... wrote: [snip] Mike Coslo wrote: KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote That's why it might be a good idea - next year - to run all ~100 W setups. We did last year, and I liked it. Made almost as many points too. - mike KB3EIA - Our club always runs all stations at 100W. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee Flint" wrote Our club always runs all stations at 100W. Power-mongers! |
That is why the loss of the Novice license is such a disaster to Amateur Radio. All in the name of pushing a mike button there Dan ....pure and simple .... We used to have to dig em out of the noise, hand on rx and follow them up/down the band. Not much for filters, just your ears and brain. But that's another subject. Dan/W4NTI Boy Dan that is right ..... did that with the old HA-230 ..... like I said before ....it drifted more than my uncle coming out of the Legion on a Saturday night ..... Take care Dan . et al see you on the air for FD ...W3CSL Monessen ARC ..... |
garigue wrote:
That is why the loss of the Novice license is such a disaster to Amateur Radio. All in the name of pushing a mike button there Dan ....pure and simple .... We used to have to dig em out of the noise, hand on rx and follow them up/down the band. Not much for filters, just your ears and brain. But that's another subject. Dan/W4NTI Boy Dan that is right ..... did that with the old HA-230 ..... like I said before ....it drifted more than my uncle coming out of the Legion on a Saturday night ..... Take care Dan . et al see you on the air for FD ...W3CSL Monessen ARC .... And Novices were required to be crystal controlled, which meant that a Novice might own 1 or 2 crystals, or maybe a rich kid would own 3 crystals. So you first checked to see if the frequency of your crystal was in use, if not then call CQ, three by three, CQ three times, your call three times, and that repeated three times. Then you scanned the band because chances are some other novice answering you would not have the same crystal frequency you did. As Dan says, one learned to dig em' out, and the drifty receivers made it even more challenging. |
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